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How many wins will the Chiefs get this season? (1 Viewer)
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Good defense? I like the outside, but the inside is weak. Seems to me this is the opposite of what you'd want. If Huard does well, they can go 6-10. If the DTs and MLB step up, they can make a wildcard, but I won't count on either.
az_prof
Footballguy
Bad QB; Bad WRs and aging Gonzo; Worsening OL; LJ ripe for an injury; Defense that is average at best. What's to like other than LJ and he sat out preseason and is coming off a 400 plus carry season=waiting for an injury.
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
sheesh, this is so old ...down on san diego too?
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
1. Huard was the second highest rated passer last season behind Peyton Manning.....who cares who he played, he PERFORMED.2. KC has had bad WRs and won 13, 7, 10 and 9 games the last four seasons. If anythings, with Bowe in tow, they may be BETTER.3. An aging Gonzo? Newsflash: EVERYONE IS AGING -- EVEN YOU! Funny how that works.4. Worsening OL? You obviously are shooting crap at the wall here. The OL has lost Will Shields, who at times needed help on pass pro last season (Don't believe me? watch some KC games form last season), and I-65 Jordan Black. They replaced them with a healthier Kyle Turley and Damien McIntosh. Those two are average....but are better than what the team had last season. Add in that Welbourn slides over to HIS NATURAL POSITION of RG instead of RT, and that is an improvement in itself.5. Saying LJ is ripe for an injury.....who are you, Nostradamus? Saying LJ is ripe for an injury, you better say teh same thing about LT or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.....the point is that injuries cannot be predicted.6. Defense that is average at best? Maybe, if we did not move out,Sammy Knight - goneKawika Mitchell -goneKendrell Bell (now a backup)Greg Wesley (now a backup)Ryan Sims - goneand insertedJarrad PageBernard PollardDonnie EdwardsNapoleon HarrisTank Tyler/Turk McBrideBut, according to you, we will perform the same. What is that based off of? I am not saying KC will win the Super Bowl, but anyone saying KC is worse than a 7-9 team is not seeing this team in the correct light. In the Carl Peterson era, since 1988, KC has only been worse than 7-9 once. The trend is that they will be there at the end of the regular season, fighting for the postseason.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Kevin is a tad sensitive about his home team. Kennison seems to have regressed last year and at 34, I don't think he's as good as he was in 2004-5. In 2003, Morton was solid, Bowe might be better, but that hasn't been shown yet.
Sure I'm aging, but Tony's 6 months older and I'm not being asked to play in the NFL.
OL might be better, but it's not the same OL that dominated before.
Agreed on LJ.
Aside from a 34 year old Edwards, are you truly impressed by any of your new D players? There's some unproven talent, but you never know with unproven talent. Knight and Bell were supposed to help turn the defense around too.
The best thing going for KC is the schedule. 5 fairly easy wins plus games against Jax, Detroit, Tennessee, and the Jets which are very winnable 7 games will be very difficult. If they win the 5 they should and split the other 4, they're 7-9. I don't see them doing better, I'd suspect they do worse.
1 Sep 09 KC @ HOU 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 706 721 140 107
2 Sep 16 KC @ CHI 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 717 123 110
3 Sep 23 MIN @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 705 119 140
4 Sep 30 KC @ SD 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 715 119 110
5 Oct 07 JAC @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 705 181 130
6 Oct 14 CIN @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 710 125 123
7 Oct 21 KC @ OAK 4:05 PM Tickets CBS 712 181 123
8 Bye
9 Nov 04 GB @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 706 110 143
10 Nov 11 DEN @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 704 118 107
11 Nov 18 KC @ IND 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 711 152 181
12 Nov 25 OAK @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 711 122 181
13 Dec 02 SD @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 710 123 118
14 Dec 09 KC @ DEN 4:15 PM Tickets CBS 715 181 122
15 Dec 16 TEN @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 705 155
16 Dec 23 KC @ DET 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 709 146 118
17 Dec 30 KC @ NYJ 8:15 PM Tickets NBC 126 122
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
No better than 4-12, last in the division.
And they won't sweep the Raiders this year, that's for sure.
And they won't sweep the Raiders this year, that's for sure.
nygiants56
Footballguy
az_prof said:
nothing like listen, Herm had some bad teams with the Jets, but they always seemd to get better as the season progressed. Cheifs do have an easy schedule. The play Houston, Oak (2x), cincy, gb,detroit, Tenn , denver's so/so rush defense, Colts, Jets..
they do play some tough opponents like Jville, Minnesota..
LJ always runs well against SD..
I don't see things as being as gloom-n-doom as some predict.. 8-8 , if not 9-7..
you figure they beat Houston, sweep Oak, detroit, gb, Tenn, SD @kc, Denver @ kc, Jets..that would be 9-7..
even when the Chiefs are bad, its hard to beat them at Arrowhead.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
No I don't.They may beat the Jets, split Oakland, and pick up one other win around the way.
Routilla
Footballguy
LOL, they split with both SD and DEN last year and this year everyone is predicting them to get swept in those games. Why is OAK being considered so highly? When KC enters their bye week in week 8 we should have a pretty good idea. They will have played the toughest part of their schedule and unless they are 2-5 or worse there will be a lot of crow eating on these boards. But then of course we will see the KC haters just bump their negative predictions to the '08 season. After all they are bound to get it right eventually if they keep saying the same thing year after year.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Yep...for some reason KC gets more crap nationally when it is undeserved....not sure if it is east coast media being flat out un-informed, or just a bias against the midwest, but even when KC had the best record of the 90's most people outsid eof the midwest acted like it was nothing.My dad tells me that even when the Royals were going to the playoffs every season, the national media largely ignored them. People called the 1985 WS the most boring ever.There will be crow to eat and I will be serving it in face-fulls.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Don't know how any of us can know anything yet until we see him in a reg. season game.....nothing really to go on.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Average offense.
Average defense.
Average record.
8-8
Average defense.
Average record.
8-8
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
KC's wins, as I see it,@ HOUvs. MIN - KC is something like 25-4 against QB making their initial start in Arrowhead. Tarvaris Jackson will have no chance.vs. JAX vs. CIN - CIN has only one win in Arrowhead since 1980vs. GB - Favre is 0-2 in Arrowheadvs. DEN - Cutler makes initial Arrowhead start like Jackson of MINvs. OAK - C-Pepp or McCown Either will make first start @ Arrowheadvs. TEN - same for Vince Young@ DET - because it is DETThat is 9-7, and if they steal one other road game, 10-6..-OZ- said:
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
1 [ 2 ] [2.67%] 2 [ 1 ] [1.33%] 3 [ 7 ] [9.33%] 4 [ 12 ] [16.00%] 5 [ 18 ] [24.00%] 6 [ 15 ] [20.00%] 7 [ 10 ] [13.33%] 8 [ 3 ] [4.00%] 9 [ 2 ] [2.67%] 10 [ 5 ] [6.67%]Looks like a nice little bell curve there with the peak being at 5 wins. That seems to be in line with what I keep hearing about in the shark pool. Then why is the betting line at 7.5?Because fantasy football isn't real football and too many guys in here think they are the same. Herm, for all of his shortcomings, is still a great motivator and runs a very solid, proven scheme on defense. The Chiefs will not get blown out very often. And there are few teams with a homefield advantage as great as it is in Arrowhead. Despite playing Denver and San Diego twice, they don't have that tough of a schedule (and I doubt they get swept by both of them). Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the general consesus on these message boards seems a little skewed, IMO. KC is not as bad as many think they are.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
The same squad except for one future HOF'er at guard.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Anything over 5 wins would be a success.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Travaris won't need to win it. You won't be able to stop AD or Taylor up the middle. Minnesota's run D is pretty decent, this will be a low scoring game, won in the trenches, which isn't good for KC now.Jacksonville - another 2 RB attack, I just do not see KC having success against both Taylor and MJD. Sure they can probably force a turnover or two from Garrard, but this is far from a sure win. Rudi = 200 yards in Arrowhead. Sorry, KC will not be close here.Denver - another game the QB won't have to win. Henry goes big. You cannot stop Vince Young, you can only hope to contain him.Detroit, if KJones is in, will score more than 35. I doubt KC can do the same. As a guy who lived in Kansas for 6 years, I grew to like the Chiefs a lot, I love the fans support, as a Lions fan (lived 23 years in Michigan) I appreciated the fans even more. So I hope for the best, I just don't see this team over .500 this year.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
7-9
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
We agree to disagree, but I will be bumping this to serve crow if what you say doesnt come true.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I will not bump it until you do, but I will have more reason to
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Does anyone really think that Damon Huard is going to play even close to as good this year as he did last year? Come on, people.
Did he forget how to play football in the off-season?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Doubtful, but are you forgetting how much of football is mental, especially at the QB position? Coming in as a backup and performing well when no one expected you to (2006 Huard) is significantly different than coming into the season as the starter and having people expect you to play well. There are a ton of examples over the years of backup QBs who thrived when the starter got hurt, but struggled once they became the unquestioned, full-time starter. Tell you what, though...if Huard has a TD-INT ratio even close to as good as last year, I will come into this thread in January and admit I was wrong. Will you, if he doesn't perform well?
Who apparently is worth 4 wins according to most peopel here.
Can you name someI remember that Brady kid doing OK
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
7-1 at home?
Arrowhead is not the frozen tundra of Lambeau of the 60's.No way KC rides away with a 7-1 home record.Take off the homie colored glasses.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
How about Scott Mitchell? Also, I noticed you avoided my challenge.
If Huard comes out and sucks i9n 2008, I'll post here in January -- congrats you were right about him, but right now, I see no compelling reason not to believe that he will suck.Mitchell is weak example -- he did have that crazy year in Det where he through 32 TDs, once he learned the systemHow about Gus Frerotte? He took over for Shuler and maintained his level of playWarner takes over for Green and maintains his level of play for a few yearsSteve Buererlein - career backup - finally starts and gets to shine in CarolinaHow about Scott Mitchell? Also, I noticed you avoided my challenge.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Sure, every rookie WR excels.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Why don't you invest in some objectivity?If you go by trends, the Chiefs play four QB who will be making their initial appearance in Arrowhead and the STATS say they will probably lose.CIN has one win in the last 27 FREAKIN' SEASONS in Arrowhead....it is not a big sample size, but 27 years is a LONG TIME.DET and HOU are, well DET and HOU until they are proven to be competent teams, I will predict a W on the roadSo, we are debating over one game...and I think KC wins, you probably say they will lose.Other than the JAX game, I have supported my prediction, you have not.7-1 at home?Arrowhead is not the frozen tundra of Lambeau of the 60's.No way KC rides away with a 7-1 home record.Take off the homie colored glasses.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
1 Sep 09 KC @ HOU L - I think Schaub will do just enough
2 Sep 16 KC @ CHI 4:15 PM L - Bears win 13-11
3 Sep 23 MIN @ KC 1:00 PM W - Tarvaris Jackson, enuff said
4 Sep 30 KC @ SD 4:15 PM L - LT, enuff said
5 Oct 07 JAC @ KC 1:00 PM L - Jags rested coming off bye
6 Oct 14 CIN @ KC 1:00 PM L - Bengals have too much passing
7 Oct 21 KC @ OAK 4:05 PM L - Letdown before bye
8 Bye
9 Nov 04 GB @ KC 1:00 PM W - Chiefs rested coming off bye
10 Nov 11 DEN @ KC 1:00 PM W - Chiefs get up for rivalry game
11 Nov 18 KC @ IND 1:00 PM L - Colts have too much passing
12 Nov 25 OAK @ KC 1:00 PM W - Payback for previous loss
13 Dec 02 SD @ KC 1:00 PM W - LT still healthy
14 Dec 09 KC @ DEN 4:15 PM L - Payback for previous victory
15 Dec 16 TEN @ KC 1:00 PM L - Vince Young sleeps in team hotel
16 Dec 23 KC @ DET 1:00 PM L - The pre-Christmas on the road blues
17 Dec 30 KC @ NYJ 8:15 PM L - Does this mean anything for the Jets?
5-11
2 Sep 16 KC @ CHI 4:15 PM L - Bears win 13-11
3 Sep 23 MIN @ KC 1:00 PM W - Tarvaris Jackson, enuff said
4 Sep 30 KC @ SD 4:15 PM L - LT, enuff said
5 Oct 07 JAC @ KC 1:00 PM L - Jags rested coming off bye
6 Oct 14 CIN @ KC 1:00 PM L - Bengals have too much passing
7 Oct 21 KC @ OAK 4:05 PM L - Letdown before bye
8 Bye
9 Nov 04 GB @ KC 1:00 PM W - Chiefs rested coming off bye
10 Nov 11 DEN @ KC 1:00 PM W - Chiefs get up for rivalry game
11 Nov 18 KC @ IND 1:00 PM L - Colts have too much passing
12 Nov 25 OAK @ KC 1:00 PM W - Payback for previous loss
13 Dec 02 SD @ KC 1:00 PM W - LT still healthy
14 Dec 09 KC @ DEN 4:15 PM L - Payback for previous victory
15 Dec 16 TEN @ KC 1:00 PM L - Vince Young sleeps in team hotel
16 Dec 23 KC @ DET 1:00 PM L - The pre-Christmas on the road blues
17 Dec 30 KC @ NYJ 8:15 PM L - Does this mean anything for the Jets?
5-11
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JaxBill
Footballguy
He needs objectivity?KC has beaten Cincy TWICE in 14 FREAKIN' SEASONS in Arrowhead.... and one of them was a meaningless Week 17 game that was Vermeil's last game.Kevin Ashcraft said:Why don't you invest in some objectivity?If you go by trends, the Chiefs play four QB who will be making their initial appearance in Arrowhead and the STATS say they will probably lose.pigskin pimp said:7-1 at home?Arrowhead is not the frozen tundra of Lambeau of the 60's.
No way KC rides away with a 7-1 home record.
Take off the homie colored glasses.
CIN has one win in the last 27 FREAKIN' SEASONS in Arrowhead....it is not a big sample size, but 27 years is a LONG TIME.
DET and HOU are, well DET and HOU until they are proven to be competent teams, I will predict a W on the road
So, we are debating over one game...and I think KC wins, you probably say they will lose.
Other than the JAX game, I have supported my prediction, you have not.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/09/01/ch..._season_game_1/
supersecretid
Footballguy
This thread is a joke. The line was set at 7 if I recall correctly. Amazing how bad opinions get when people don't have to put any money behind them.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You are mentioning the guys who continued to thrive after becoming a starter, although Frerotte is a major reach, and Warner was a once in a lifetime story. There are a lot more who have not done well, but they are so forgetful, that it is hard to remember all of their names offhand. I will do some research soon, to give you more names. Mitchell, who was a flop, save for one season when he had an awesome WR corps and Barry Sanders (I could have done well in that scenario), was the first one that came to mind. I am not saying that Huard is going to suck this year, although it wouldn't surprise me if he did, but I just think there is no way he plays as well this year as he did last year.TinHat said:If Huard comes out and sucks i9n 2008, I'll post here in January -- congrats you were right about him, but right now, I see no compelling reason not to believe that he will suck.Mitchell is weak example -- he did have that crazy year in Det where he through 32 TDs, once he learned the systemHow about Gus Frerotte? He took over for Shuler and maintained his level of playWarner takes over for Green and maintains his level of play for a few yearsSteve Buererlein - career backup - finally starts and gets to shine in CarolinaGhost Rider said:How about Scott Mitchell? Also, I noticed you avoided my challenge.TinHat said:
Yeah, and that win was LAST YEAR.Kevin Ashcraft said:
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
For the first time in 5 years, my Raiders will not be 4th in the AFC West.
TitusIII
Footballguy
If Huard can pull another amazing season out of his ###, the Chiefs will be in the playoff hunt.
If he can keep defenses from zoning in the run, I think 8-10 wins is a good bet.
If he flops, which I believe he will, Larry Johnson and the defense will need to play at an elite level for the Chiefs to make the playoffs.
7 wins
If he can keep defenses from zoning in the run, I think 8-10 wins is a good bet.
If he flops, which I believe he will, Larry Johnson and the defense will need to play at an elite level for the Chiefs to make the playoffs.
7 wins
A lot of people will lose money...
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Ok, I admit I was wrong.....in fact, KC may only win three games.
But when people are throwing stones at a team that was a playoff team a year ago, it is not rational, therefore I defended my team.
I see MAYBE three wins
@ DET
vs. MIN
vs. OAK
KC will have the worst team in it's history.
But when people are throwing stones at a team that was a playoff team a year ago, it is not rational, therefore I defended my team.
I see MAYBE three wins
@ DET
vs. MIN
vs. OAK
KC will have the worst team in it's history.
