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How many years are the Yankees from winning the W.S. again? (1 Viewer)
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
I wouldn't be shocked if it took them much longer than people expect. They are basically going to have to rebuild their entire pitching staff save Wang and their entire lineup save Cano and Jeter (and even he's getting up their in age). Yeah they have some young pitching talent down on the farm, but a lot of other teams do as well. I think it's going to be a lot more painful than people want to admit especially if A-Rod opts out.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Cubs and especially the Angels are willing to spend the money on him.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Seeing as they went 18 years between WS victories before I wouldn't say that that is out of the question. Picking a team to win any championship is a bit of a crapshoot. I think a better question would be "How long before they seriously contend for a WS?" (aside from this year of course)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
They will never win another.
Steelnation
Footballguy
Get your head out of your ### LH 
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Get your head out of your ### LH 
shadyridr
Footballguy
at the "Red Sox" getting an option AND actually getting votes. Proof Sox fans are the biggest tools around.
Your Mother
Footballguy
It will never happen while Steinbrenner is alive or Cashman is employed.
Steelnation
Footballguy
Was just busting your chops LHYou are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Get your head out of your ### LH 
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You weren't suposed to quote me until the Yanks win the World Series.Was just busting your chops LHYou are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Because their pitching is old and decrepit and needs to be replaced by young talent at some point? Because not every one of their pitching prospects is going to work out? I dont see how this helps them any. They need all the pitching prospects they can get. I'm surprised you think they are this loaded at pitcher.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
BUMP
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Aw crap...I missed 1 - this year and my mind just saw the 1.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
This was a silly poll.
When the Yankees can go out in the offseason and buy Sabathia, Burnett, and Tex, they're never far from having enough talent to win the World Series. The Yankees preach BS about home-grown talent, but most of that home-grown talent would've been lost to free agency long ago without the monster payroll, and a majority of theor key components are nothing but high priced free agent pickups.
When they spend over $50 million more than their closest competition and twice as much as more than half the league, they should be close every year.
When the Yankees can go out in the offseason and buy Sabathia, Burnett, and Tex, they're never far from having enough talent to win the World Series. The Yankees preach BS about home-grown talent, but most of that home-grown talent would've been lost to free agency long ago without the monster payroll, and a majority of theor key components are nothing but high priced free agent pickups.
When they spend over $50 million more than their closest competition and twice as much as more than half the league, they should be close every year.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Tell me more, I've never heard it put quite this way before.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Of course it's been said, but I'm not the one who made this silly poll.And it being said before doesn't change the attitude of Yankee fans when they act like it's actually an accomplishment to make the playoffs, win a division, or win a World Series. They should win and when they spend like that it's not much of an accomplishment when they do. The fact that they haven't won one in so long is more of a testament to how poorly they've been run than about the parity of baseball.If Yankee fans want to be proud of a team buying a championship, great.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Who says they should win? So if a team puts together a totally dominant team through other means (drafting, player development, shrewd trades...whatever)...should they ( the fans and players primarily) not think it's an accomplishment because they (on paper) presumably should win? I don't understand this train of though.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
I agree with everything except the bolded part. I've made this point before, but I'll say it again. For the Yankees to miss the playoffs and/or fail to at least challenge for the division title is laughable with the resources they've got. They are able to go out and get the very best available players in the offseason to cover up any mistakes they might make. So I think it was pretty ridiculous for a team with a $200 million payroll to miss the playoffs in 2008.But to say it's not an accomplishment to win a World Series takes it too far. There are far too many variables that can come into play in a 5 or 7 game series that are well out of the control of talent and ability. Luck plays a huge role in any baseball game, but over the course of 162 games that tends to spread itself around. But in a short series where one or two plays can turn a series 180 degrees the other way, I can't fault a team for coming up short. The Yankees went about forming a team that would compete and win a lot of games and had a lot of talent. The years they won 100 games, you can't fault the front office for building the team that way...it's not like there's some sort of magical formula that equates to postseason success. Yes, teams with dominant pitching tend to do better. And yet, arguably the two greatest triumvirates of pitching over the last 20 years (Braves with Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine, A's with Hudson/Mulder/Zito) have a grand total of 1 World Series between them. Things happen in the playoffs, that's just baseball.
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Capella
Footballguy
Yes, but Michael...getting to the playoffs is the hard part. The Yanks are able to do that annually because of their ridiculous payroll.
This argument has been beaten to death though. It is what it is. Either deal with it or just watch football. It's amazing that baseball allows one team to outspend others by 3-4 times, but it's not changing.
This argument has been beaten to death though. It is what it is. Either deal with it or just watch football. It's amazing that baseball allows one team to outspend others by 3-4 times, but it's not changing.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
The year they don't have to play the Angels in the playoffs.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Pretty sure that's impossible this year.If the Red Sox/Rays get the WC, the WC winner would play the Angels and the Tigers get the Yanks.If the Rangers get the WC, they would play the Yanks and the Tigers get the Angels.edit: It could happen if the Halos go in the tank and the Tigers catch them, but they're 8 back at the moment. Not likely.If they have to play in the first round.....goodbye Yankees.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
Completely agree. That's why I don't wear any Yankees 2005 AL East Champion t-shirts. They've got a ginormous advantage in getting there. And obviously, just being there puts you at an advantage over the field in that you're going to get your chance to win more often than other teams do. But it's not like simply being there guarantees you'll win, and it's not like there are any moves out there that specifically help you to become a better playoff team.So if/when they win it all, it's still something that makes me happy. I don't celebrate division titles and playoff appearances though, because the advantage they've got in payroll means they should always be in the playoffs. That's not me sounding like the Yankees have a birthright to be in the playoffs...it's simply the facts, that unless they are grossly mismanaged (2008) they have no excuse to come up short. If there are a lot of injuries, fine...but the payroll enables you to have a dynamite bench that should be able to overcome those injuries. And if you don't have a dynamite bench, then you've got no leg to stand on when you fall short.
DropKick
Footballguy
That pretty much sums it up for me. Nothing (and I mean nothing) the Yankees do impresses me as they go into pretty much every season with a stacked deck. If every now and then they win a series, it isn't an accomplishment, it's a bad year for baseball.Once upon a time, the Pirates, Orioles, Reds, Royals, Athletics, etc. actually competed for championships.Michael Brown said:
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
You are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You guys are slipping, I was expecting this last night.You are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I wanted to chime in. First, the Yankees have built up their franchise by pumping money into it as creating a great brand. Steinbrenner was one of the poorer owners (still may be) and his only source was the Yankees. Creating the YES network was a good idea and creating a good product is a good idea, but he has made huge investments into the team and at one point was going broke. Now, there are built in advantages that he has (and the Yankees), but they also have a cost of living that is twice (more in many areas) as expensive as many places and on top of normal income taxes another 8% city tax compared to Florida which has none for example. Having a payroll twice the size of most teams is a huge advantage, but my point is that it isn't as large as many people think it is. The Yankees payroll this year was no more than last year but nobody said anything last year or even the year before. the Yanks got rid of a ton of dead money last year which allowed them to sign the big free agents this year. next year, if they get rid of Matsui and Damon they will get another (not exactly sure off the top of my head) 25 mil or so and could sign a stud.I am not saying for one minute that the Yankees should not make the playoffs with their payroll, I just wanted to point out that they choose to spend and invest back into the team and they also have higher relative costs than other teams.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
lolYou are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I failed to understand just how much more money they would be spending to buy another championship. My bad.lolYou are the one with his head stuck. Yankees won't win another and you'll be dying for air waiting for it to happen. Feel free to quote this when the Yanks win.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
But I was quoted in July 2007.
oh ok my badBut I was quoted in July 2007.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
A couple real gems in here, can't believe you brought up cost of living and taxes again too.
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
I think everybody simply forgot to take into account that the Yanks can go drop $450 mil in one off-season to fix their problems.
Major League Baseball really is in a bad way.
Major League Baseball really is in a bad way.
Eephus
Footballguy
In spite of all the doomsayers, this isn't a Yankees club that's set up to be a dynasty. Except for the right side of the infield and the front half of the rotation, the squad is either not very young, not very good or both.
They'll have to replace a number of key members of the team over the next five years, or deal with the egos of superstars in decline. Their farm system is better than it was but it's not a first rate organization. They regularly give up compensatory picks for signing free agents and pick near the end of the round.
Being able to outspend their opponents is a big advantage, but management still has to spend wisely. Aging players wear down and get hurt, so they have to account for depth as well. I think their bankroll alone means the Yankees are well positioned to contend every year but I wouldn't expect them to go on a 3-5 year run.
They'll have to replace a number of key members of the team over the next five years, or deal with the egos of superstars in decline. Their farm system is better than it was but it's not a first rate organization. They regularly give up compensatory picks for signing free agents and pick near the end of the round.
Being able to outspend their opponents is a big advantage, but management still has to spend wisely. Aging players wear down and get hurt, so they have to account for depth as well. I think their bankroll alone means the Yankees are well positioned to contend every year but I wouldn't expect them to go on a 3-5 year run.
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