How much longer does Jamal Lewis last? (1 Viewer)

[rockbottom895]

Through six games, Jamal has only averaged 58.7 yards per game, and a mere 3.6 yards per carry. He has also only scored one touchdown through six games. When does Baltimore give up on Jamal and go to Mike Anderson or Musa Smith? If they dont start Jamal, who gets the edge, Smith or Anderson

 

[Warpig]

Search is your friend.

 

[brednbuddah]

Through six games, Jamal has only averaged 58.7 yards per game, and a mere 3.6 yards per carry. He has also only scored one touchdown through six games. When does Baltimore give up on Jamal and go to Mike Anderson or Musa Smith? If they dont start Jamal, who gets the edge, Smith or Anderson

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.to burst your bubble, Lewis will rebound (as will McNair and Mason) now that Billick is calling plays.

 

[Lutherman2112]

When does Baltimore give up on Jamal and go to Mike Anderson or Musa Smith? According to Pro Football Weekly's The Way We Hear It, the Ravens aren't giving up on Lewis just yet:

In Baltimore, our sources tell us that the Fassel-Billick relationship had been coming apart for weeks before completely disintegrating after the Week Six loss to Carolina.

The way we hear it, Billick and Fassel had been jockeying for power over the offense for much of the season. Fassel called the plays, but Billick had plenty of input — too much for Fassel’s comfort. Making matters worse, some players didn’t respect Fassel’s work ethic, and they told Billick as much, according to one source. With the offense again near the bottom of the league statistically, Billick decided to fire Fassel during the team’s bye week.

Billick will assume the coordinator’s duties for the Ravens. He will call the plays, and he will lead the offensive game-planning. The way we hear it, owner Steve Bisciotti likes this arrangement, even though Fassel is owed $2 million in salary because he was fired, according to The Baltimore Sun.

What’s in store for the Ravens’ offense? Don’t expect many personnel changes. The Ravens’ offensive depth isn’t a team strength, so Billick can’t do much tinkering. We hear that QB Steve McNair’s job is safe, and RB Jamal Lewis is expected to remain the starter after some inspired play vs. the Panthers.

 

[Big Score]

I'm thinking this week will be very telling.

Billick fired Fassel & will take over the play calling. He might feel they need to end the semi RBBC they've been running all year and just feed the ball to Lewis.

Musa has only been getting 3.9 ypc & Anderson's 4.8 ypc, is heavily skewed by the single carry he got in the Oakland game, where he broke it for 34 yards.

If Billick does decide to feature a single back & it's not Lewis, I think it would be Anderson.

 

[B-Deep]

When does Baltimore give up on Jamal and go to Mike Anderson or Musa Smith? According to Pro Football Weekly's The Way We Hear It, the Ravens aren't giving up on Lewis just yet:

In Baltimore, our sources tell us that the Fassel-Billick relationship had been coming apart for weeks before completely disintegrating after the Week Six loss to Carolina.

The way we hear it, Billick and Fassel had been jockeying for power over the offense for much of the season. Fassel called the plays, but Billick had plenty of input — too much for Fassel’s comfort. Making matters worse, some players didn’t respect Fassel’s work ethic, and they told Billick as much, according to one source. With the offense again near the bottom of the league statistically, Billick decided to fire Fassel during the team’s bye week.

Billick will assume the coordinator’s duties for the Ravens. He will call the plays, and he will lead the offensive game-planning. The way we hear it, owner Steve Bisciotti likes this arrangement, even though Fassel is owed $2 million in salary because he was fired, according to The Baltimore Sun.

What’s in store for the Ravens’ offense? Don’t expect many personnel changes. The Ravens’ offensive depth isn’t a team strength, so Billick can’t do much tinkering. We hear that QB Steve McNair’s job is safe, and RB Jamal Lewis is expected to remain the starter after some inspired play vs. the Panthers.

Lewis is a waste...Every year there's some reason he's doing bad, other than the fact that he just is not that good. He had a GREAT year, and other than that he;s an average back. He looks now like Eddie George and Emmitt Smith looked at the end of their careers

 

[zamboni]

If Billick didn't put Lewis on the bench last year in favor of Taylor (even in a lost season), I doubt he'll do so this year when the team is winning and Lewis is still looking better than in 2005.

As for next year, who knows...

 

[JohnnyU]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

 

[Warhogs]

What is to give up on? I think the question is that with Billick taking over will Lewis finally get a chance to get 25-30 carries so we can see what he can do? He has not been stellar nor has he been terrible this year. I still have questions about if he can still be a very good RB but I really don't think he has been given a solid shot with 25-30 carries yet.

 

[Urinal Mint]

I don't see why benching Lewis would do any good when the real issue has been either not giving him enough touches or the offensive line not opening up the holes it should.

Hopefully, now that the catfight in B-More is done, the offense will be able to improve significantly under singular leadership.

 

[CowboyFan]

Lewis is a waste...

Every year there's some reason he's doing bad, other than the fact that he just is not that good. He had a GREAT year, and other than that he;s an average back. He looks now like Eddie George and Emmitt Smith looked at the end of their careers

The twilight of Emmitt's career in Arizona now looks like STUD stats compared to what anyone else has been able to do out there.

 

[brednbuddah]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

 

[rockbottom895]

So basically, all of you are saying that Jamal is going to stay. After this week, if hes not productive, is their any FF value in Mike Anderson or Musa Smith?

 

[Big Score]

So basically, all of you are saying that Jamal is going to stay. After this week, if hes not productive, is their any FF value in Mike Anderson or Musa Smith?

From reading this thread, it seems brednbuddah likes Musa to take over, while myself & JohnnyU like Anderson to get it.

 

[BoulderBob]

Lewis looks fine, his offensive line doesn't, it happens...

 

[JohnnyU]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

How about a sig bet, you call it.

 

[heyshady]

What is to give up on? I think the question is that with Billick taking over will Lewis finally get a chance to get 25-30 carries so we can see what he can do? He has not been stellar nor has he been terrible this year. I still have questions about if he can still be a very good RB but I really don't think he has been given a solid shot with 25-30 carries yet.

I've never understood this rationale. If you give a guy 25-30 more carries he is going to put up better numbers than if he had 15-20 carries. Isn't that a bit obvious? Doesn't that apply to every single human being on the planet? If the Steelers gave me 30 carries I'd get more yards than the zero I got sitting on my couch last weekend.The question is, does giving Jamal Lewis 25-30 carries help the Ravens win? I'm not so sure it does.

 

[JohnnyU]

What is to give up on? I think the question is that with Billick taking over will Lewis finally get a chance to get 25-30 carries so we can see what he can do? He has not been stellar nor has he been terrible this year. I still have questions about if he can still be a very good RB but I really don't think he has been given a solid shot with 25-30 carries yet.

I've never understood this rationale. If you give a guy 25-30 more carries he is going to put up better numbers than if he had 15-20 carries. Isn't that a bit obvious? Doesn't that apply to every single human being on the planet? If the Steelers gave me 30 carries I'd get more yards than the zero I got sitting on my couch last weekend.The question is, does giving Jamal Lewis 25-30 carries help the Ravens win? I'm not so sure it does.

I think what he's implying is that Lewis is one of those backs that has to have many carries to get into a groove.

 

[brednbuddah]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

How about a sig bet, you call it.

sig bet is cool.I guess Lewis would have to be out for a true test, but I'd be willing say if Musa doesn't have atleast 60% of the touches (rush/rec) between him and Anderson combined the rest of the way, I'll put up your sig...

 

[lod2005]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.to burst your bubble, Lewis will rebound (as will McNair and Mason) now that Billick is calling plays.

25-65 0 td's is what you are saying. There's your rebound.

 

[JohnnyU]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

How about a sig bet, you call it.

sig bet is cool.I guess Lewis would have to be out for a true test, but I'd be willing say if Musa doesn't have atleast 60% of the touches (rush/rec) between him and Anderson combined the rest of the way, I'll put up your sig...

Wait a minute.....you said Lions share, not barely over 50%. Care to re-phrase your original post, or adjust your proposal?

 

[JohnnyU]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

How about a sig bet, you call it.

sig bet is cool.I guess Lewis would have to be out for a true test, but I'd be willing say if Musa doesn't have atleast 60% of the touches (rush/rec) between him and Anderson combined the rest of the way, I'll put up your sig...

I'll bet you that if Lewis is no longer starting in 2006, that Mike Anderson would get at least a 3-1 advantage over Musa Smith in rushes in 2006. Let say the loser has to not post for 6 months. Forget the sig bet, as I've never liked those anyway. Yes, you can use other aliases, but not being able to use your main ID hurts some, especially for 6 months. Mods can disable the ID for 6 months per our requests.

 

[brednbuddah]

to answer your question, Musa would get the lion's share of work.

wanna bet?

sure. what do you have in mind?

How about a sig bet, you call it.

sig bet is cool.I guess Lewis would have to be out for a true test, but I'd be willing say if Musa doesn't have atleast 60% of the touches (rush/rec) between him and Anderson combined the rest of the way, I'll put up your sig...

I'll bet you that if Lewis is no longer starting in 2006, that Mike Anderson would get at least a 3-1 advantage over Musa Smith in rushes in 2006. Let say the loser has to not post for 6 months. Forget the sig bet, as I've never liked those anyway. Yes, you can use other aliases, but not being able to use your main ID hurts some, especially for 6 months. Mods can disable the ID for 6 months per our requests.

wow, no posting, harsh...and you're right 60% isn't exactly lion's share of work, but on the same token receptions need to be included if we're talking about overall work.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Man, I want in on this. No chance Musa takes the job this year. Anderson is on the field for >66% of the plays if Lewis is yanked.

Musa is no more than a 3rd down back this year.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My guess is that Lewis is good for 85'ish total yards this week, with a chance for a score. They've played Carolina, Denver and SD the last three weeks = getting yards would have been tough for anybody. New Orleans' D has been stellar at home, which is why I don't expect more yards, even though Billick will be calling the plays. Lewis will still be a decent RB 3 at times this year. Considering I traded Bryant Johnson for him (he owned Fitz) I'll be ecstatic for 80 yards per week from him.

 

[JohnnyU]

wow, no posting, harsh...

and you're right 60% isn't exactly lion's share of work, but on the same token receptions need to be included if we're talking about overall work.

No, because after all, we're talking about running back. Who's the "main" runner is the question. Let me know. Lots of backs in the NFL get 7 or 8 receptions in a game and never carry the rock.

 

[brednbuddah]

wow, no posting, harsh...

and you're right 60% isn't exactly lion's share of work, but on the same token receptions need to be included if we're talking about overall work.

No, because after all, we're talking about running back. Who's the "main" runner is the question. Let me know. Lots of backs in the NFL get 7 or 8 receptions in a game and never carry the rock.

I don't see anything in the original post that mentions rushes only and I claimed Musa would get the lion's share of work, meaning total yards from scrimmage. If we're talking rushes only, yes. I would agree with you that Anderson has an advantage there (eventhough both have basically the same number of rushes to this point), but the poster wants to know who would get the edge. I think a guy who can run and catch would get the edge rather than just rushes.Anderson 20/97/4.8/1; 1/7/7.0/0

Smith 18/71/3.9/0; 13/101/7.8/0

also, number of touches combined here is 52. 60% of that total is exactly the number of touches Smith has. again, it may not be the "lion's share", but Musa has the edge.

 

[Warhogs]

At the cat fight on what a bet should be. Why not take it off line?

I don't recall lots of RB getting 7 or 8 receptions per game though?

 

[brednbuddah]

cat fight?

profanity? nope.

insults? nope.

mods interjecting? nope.

boring? maybe.

more like a low-key debate...

 

[Warhogs]

OK. I buy boring and low key debate.

Warhogs pet peeve is two posters quoting each other back and forth on the wording of a statement for 2 pages and it no longer adressing the topic.

On subject: I think Jamal gets a pretty decent shot over the next few weeks to prove or disprove himself. He has not been miserable this season but has not got a huge amount of carries most games.

 

[walkwithme]

I don't see why benching Lewis would do any good when the real issue has been either not giving him enough touches or the offensive line not opening up the holes it should.Hopefully, now that the catfight in B-More is done, the offense will be able to improve significantly under singular leadership.

I have watched a few of the games and I can't say Jamal Lewis is the problem have you guys seen them play. He has played well when he had some blocking and average and below average against teams with relatively good defense. The offense has been so predictable and McNair has not played a complete good game yet, maybe against the Raiders? I think when McNair brings his A game this team and Lewis numbers will be much improved.

 

[JohnnyU]

Warhogs pet peeve is two posters quoting each other back and forth on the wording of a statement for 2 pages and it no longer adressing the topic.

....and JohnnyU's pet peeve are those who refer to themselves in the 3rd person.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

wow, no posting, harsh...

and you're right 60% isn't exactly lion's share of work, but on the same token receptions need to be included if we're talking about overall work.

No, because after all, we're talking about running back. Who's the "main" runner is the question. Let me know. Lots of backs in the NFL get 7 or 8 receptions in a game and never carry the rock.

I don't see anything in the original post that mentions rushes only and I claimed Musa would get the lion's share of work, meaning total yards from scrimmage. If we're talking rushes only, yes. I would agree with you that Anderson has an advantage there (eventhough both have basically the same number of rushes to this point), but the poster wants to know who would get the edge. I think a guy who can run and catch would get the edge rather than just rushes.Anderson 20/97/4.8/1; 1/7/7.0/0

Smith 18/71/3.9/0; 13/101/7.8/0

also, number of touches combined here is 52. 60% of that total is exactly the number of touches Smith has. again, it may not be the "lion's share", but Musa has the edge.

"Lion's share of the work" has nothing to do with production. It has to do with # of opportunities. In fact, a good 3rd down back would have a greater yards per touch average than a staring RB becuase of the situational aspects (ie Turner and LT)To me, lions share of the work means the # of plays that player is on the field. Or at a minimum the number of plays one touches the ball in.

I still say Anderson, big time. 90% of Jamal's touches would go to Anderson. 10% additional to Musa. Anderson was brought there specifically for this reason.

So say Jamal gets is 15 times a game, that takes those numbers above to about

16 touches /game for Anderson and 5/game for Musa.

Musa will get his chance....next year.

 

[TFN1995]

they should go with anderson if they want to salvage thier season

 

[rockbottom895]

they should go with anderson if they want to salvage thier season

Thats very interesting. It provided this thread no logical information at all.

 

[jetsjets1919]

personally, i think you have to keep it with lewis, once mcnair comes back he will pick it up again

 

[Crusaderfan]

I don't see why benching Lewis would do any good when the real issue has been either not giving him enough touches or the offensive line not opening up the holes it should.Hopefully, now that the catfight in B-More is done, the offense will be able to improve significantly under singular leadership.

I have watched a few of the games and I can't say Jamal Lewis is the problem have you guys seen them play. He has played well when he had some blocking and average and below average against teams with relatively good defense. The offense has been so predictable and McNair has not played a complete good game yet, maybe against the Raiders? I think when McNair brings his A game this team and Lewis numbers will be much improved.

I have to admit that I haven't seem Lewis much this season but when I did I was amazed at how easy he went down on intial contact. The guy must weigh around 245 but to me he seemed to lack the desire to go further once he was hit. I was surprised because I saw him in the pre-season vs the Eagles and he seemed to look like the Lewis of old. I was happy to get him in the 8th round of a 10 team league. Now I am not so happy and hope to drop him for Washington this week. I have shopped him for 2 weeks with no takers. I'm guessing that when I drop him - he will be added by someone for his name alone. At that time he will probably become the old Lewis once again - LOLIn my 12 team league he was traded today with Davis WR - CHI for B. Johnson and Herron. I wasn't involved in either side of the deal.Willie

 

[rockbottom895]

I don't see why benching Lewis would do any good when the real issue has been either not giving him enough touches or the offensive line not opening up the holes it should.Hopefully, now that the catfight in B-More is done, the offense will be able to improve significantly under singular leadership.

I have watched a few of the games and I can't say Jamal Lewis is the problem have you guys seen them play. He has played well when he had some blocking and average and below average against teams with relatively good defense. The offense has been so predictable and McNair has not played a complete good game yet, maybe against the Raiders? I think when McNair brings his A game this team and Lewis numbers will be much improved.

I have to admit that I haven't seem Lewis much this season but when I did I was amazed at how easy he went down on intial contact. The guy must weigh around 245 but to me he seemed to lack the desire to go further once he was hit. I was surprised because I saw him in the pre-season vs the Eagles and he seemed to look like the Lewis of old. I was happy to get him in the 8th round of a 10 team league. Now I am not so happy and hope to drop him for Washington this week. I have shopped him for 2 weeks with no takers. I'm guessing that when I drop him - he will be added by someone for his name alone. At that time he will probably become the old Lewis once again - LOLIn my 12 team league he was traded today with Davis WR - CHI for B. Johnson and Herron. I wasn't involved in either side of the deal.Willie

Personally, I agree. Jamal has not broken very many tackles, and he does not have a lot of yards after contact. Look for Mike Anderson to get the start pretty soon........