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How much of an upgrade do you give Jericho Cotchery? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Cotchery was rising on his own merits already.
Really looked like a guy who could crack the top-12 quietly.
Whats Cotcherys speed quotent?
Favres arm and chuck-it-up style plays well for deep threats.
Who is the deep route option for the Jets?
Really looked like a guy who could crack the top-12 quietly.
Whats Cotcherys speed quotent?
Favres arm and chuck-it-up style plays well for deep threats.
Who is the deep route option for the Jets?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I give bumps up for Coles and Cotchery. I think one will finish top 15, one in top 20.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
First of all, Mr. Favre is not deserving of being put in the "awesome" category for QB's. There are only 2 QB's in the league that have earned that type of recognition.I would bump Cotchery up 4-5 spots but not a real significant jump. He's in the 16-21 range.
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dmac37
Footballguy
I just made a comment the other day that Cotchery is a good QB away to moving further up PPR rankings, he ranked 19 & 20 WR the last two years. I can see him top 10-15 now.
Cotchery seems to play similar to Driver, a really good move the chains, dependable great hands WR. We all know how much Favre loves Driver.
Cotchery seems to play similar to Driver, a really good move the chains, dependable great hands WR. We all know how much Favre loves Driver.
hauser42
Footballguy
Jets WR get a small bump up but not something I would write home about.
I think Brett actually fall a little from where he would have been with the Pack. He needs to learn the offense, team will try to run the ball, and I dont see the dynamic WRs that the Packers have on the Jets roster. Who will take the short pass for the long gainer this year for Brett?
I think Brett actually fall a little from where he would have been with the Pack. He needs to learn the offense, team will try to run the ball, and I dont see the dynamic WRs that the Packers have on the Jets roster. Who will take the short pass for the long gainer this year for Brett?
Cotchery won't be on any of my teams now.
I still don't think either Jets WR is a top-20 guy. This isn't going to be some fairy tale. This is going to be a major adjustment. I see a very slow start for New York. Maybe Cotchery is a good buy-low around week 4 when Favre starts to learn the offense, but I'd still much rather take a guy like Dwayne Bowe or Santonio Holmes or 13/14 weeks of Brandon Marshall before Cotchery in a redraft.
I still don't think either Jets WR is a top-20 guy. This isn't going to be some fairy tale. This is going to be a major adjustment. I see a very slow start for New York. Maybe Cotchery is a good buy-low around week 4 when Favre starts to learn the offense, but I'd still much rather take a guy like Dwayne Bowe or Santonio Holmes or 13/14 weeks of Brandon Marshall before Cotchery in a redraft.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
This is what you have to watch for.....bumping these guys too much. The Jets aren't going to have 2 Wr's in the top 20.The Jets need to run the ball. Farve had a great season last year because they were finally able to run the ball. The offensive line better be improved, they better run the ball well.If that happens, both Wr's should improve on their numbers from last season, I'm just not sure they'll be worth their value after this.So who do you draft Lavernous Coles over if we are saying he's top 15? You drafting him over Calvin Johnson now? You drafting him over Wes Welker?
Super King
Footballguy
So, in my dynasty league, I'm guessing right now would be a good time to sell Cotchery?
Depends on what you're getting for him. His value can't go down going forward. I don't think people are viewing this as a major bump. I'd wait and let him go off a few times, then move him before he comes back to earth.I'd expect at best 1200 and 7. Could be oodles of catches though, potential ppr gold.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Cotch and Greg Jennings appear to have very similar skill sets, no?
identikit
Footballguy
Yes, very similar...
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yes, very similar...
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packersfan
Footballguy
I was big on Cotchery before this trade. Now I really really really like him. I'd bump him to Top 20 status and possibly Top 15-20 in PPR leagues. I give Coles a small bump up but I've been a believer that Cotchery was the WR to have on the Jets this season. I'm even more of a believer in that now.
What sucks about this is before the trade Cotchery was great value. You could grab him as a WR3 and enjoy WR2 production in PPR leagues. I don't think that will happen any longer. If you want him, I don't think you can afford to wait on him. Before, you could likely get him after 25 WRs or so were off the board. Now, he may go after the first 20 are gone and possibly sooner.
What sucks about this is before the trade Cotchery was great value. You could grab him as a WR3 and enjoy WR2 production in PPR leagues. I don't think that will happen any longer. If you want him, I don't think you can afford to wait on him. Before, you could likely get him after 25 WRs or so were off the board. Now, he may go after the first 20 are gone and possibly sooner.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Ya, he was the TD guy in GB so why not pick the boost for the TD guy in NY, which is Coles.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i had cotch in the PPR top 15 already (85-1180-6). i was already expecting a good year. i might give him another TD or 2.
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fun-b
Footballguy
I guess I'm coming more from a PPR keeper/dynasty league point of view, where I'd much rather take the younger possession receiver.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I commented above in this spotlight way before the Farve stuff, and as you can see I have pretty lofty numbers for Cotchery.I predicted 85 receptions, over 1000 yards and 4 td's for him.......I don't know how many more receptions he can get. I'm not going to predict 100 plus receptions, Farve still has to get used to the playbook.I could definately see a boost in yardage and certainly there's some room for TD improvement for Cotchery. It'll be interesting to see who forms the bond with Farve.Keep in mind Farve has always liked his TE's. I think Keller or Baker will get a lot more red zone looks.
gman74
Footballguy
Calvin at best borderline top 15 anyway. Roy is there kitna is still the QB and Martz is gone
Kuz
Footballguy
not trying to pick on you at all but I really don't see comparing Cotchery to Holmes or Bowe. I would hope you would rather have one of those guys since they will both be drafted at least 2 rounds before Cotchery..so don't really understand this logic... I think even Marshall with the suspension will still go before Jerricho.. But I do agree with your slow start for the Jets comment..Overall I don't see how anyone could not think Favre will help the WR's more than hurt them. Not saying it will make Coles & Cotchery top 10 but top 20 for both won't be out of the question with one making it to top 15.. Favre is a huge upgrade over Clemens or Pennington IMHO...
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Insoxicated
You mean in the AFC, right?
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fun-b
Footballguy
Favre will throw 20+ TD's. They have to go somewhere, and I really doubt a rookie TE will make THAT MUCH of a difference. Like I said though, Cotchery, logically, has more value in PPR than Coles. Not to mention he's 5 years younger. You can't deny the fact that Cotchery has logged 82 catches the past two seasons. Who was throwing him the ball then? Who's throwing him the ball now? The ONLY way his catches decline is because of injury. Speaking of injuries, he seems like the type of player who's gonna give you 15-16 games. But that can change at any moment, I know. Coles has a very good track record too, minus last year. Pre-season could tell alot, if Favre makes any appearance. Unfortunately, my league drafts August 16. I have to make a decision before the draft of which player I really want to target.Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
sholditch
Footballguy
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I bumped Cotchery up with another TD catch and 5 more receptions. I don't think the tenor of the Jets offense is going to change that much. The Jets aren't planning on throwing the ball 600 times. But I do think, given the lack of WR depth, and Favre's downfield ability, both Cotchery and Coles will score more touchdowns and be targeted slightly more.
I agree, although bump their yards per reception a little bit too.Someone was throwing out 1400 yards for Cotch in one of the Brett threads. That screams sell high in dynasty and take advantage of the news. Coles seems to be a better value play to me.
JHuber77
Footballguy
Yeah your right, he only leads in just about every statistical passing catergory there is. He may not be the QB he used to be, but still will get the job done.
fun-b
Footballguy
Best post I have ever read on the these boards. Still laughing my *** off.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
I woke up on the clock pick 52 in a Dynasty this morning. I was absolutly sure the trade offers in my box was for Crochery. I decided to trade down a few picks with a 2 round move up later for compensation. Sure enough Crochery was the pick. With Wayne and Chad already I will take a pass. It;s just like NE offense this year. Over hyped.
You guys are forgetting Favre has to learn an entire new offense, new terminolgy, in a new setting and find time to work timing IN A RUN FIRST OFFENSE MENTALLY.
I am not expecting a huge boost in stats from any jet receiver. Not worth the reach at this point. If anything it will help Thomas and Leo.
You guys are forgetting Favre has to learn an entire new offense, new terminolgy, in a new setting and find time to work timing IN A RUN FIRST OFFENSE MENTALLY.
I am not expecting a huge boost in stats from any jet receiver. Not worth the reach at this point. If anything it will help Thomas and Leo.
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
I agree. The hype on this thing is unbelievable.
There just isn't enough time to develop the chemistry and timing that they need. I think that Coles and Cotchery get a 5-10% increase with this deal. That's it.
Don't overpay for anyone on the Jets. Let someone else do it.
There just isn't enough time to develop the chemistry and timing that they need. I think that Coles and Cotchery get a 5-10% increase with this deal. That's it.
Don't overpay for anyone on the Jets. Let someone else do it.
Do people really believe that the Jets traded for Favre just to count on Thomas Jones as their main weapon? Seriously? Remember when Don Shula was a run first guy? Well he sure wasn't when he had Marino. How about Parcells in NE with Bledsoe? After his rookie year, Bledsoe averaged about 650 passes a year the next three years. Mangini may not get along well with Belichick personally, but I wouldn't say that NE's offense where Mangini came from is run first.Personally, I think Favre went to a good spot. I think the Jets WRs are underrated and I thought I read in another thread that Keller was impressing, so I think he will do well. While Minny may have been better team wise, I think the Jets is the best spot out of Chicago, Tampa and Minny in terms of fantasy stats for Favre.
