Not at all, champ. Like most things in life, the higher stakes you play, the less serious the competition.I've been having moderate success in the Fanduel $25 50/50 contests, leaning on the advice of the FBG.
If I try the $50-$250 contents will I be running into stiffer competition?
I assume it's a reference to the guys that play TENS OF THOUSANDS of games.Pros?
I can agree with this... maybe not 5-10 but something less than 500 games each week! The idea would be promoting higher stakes games for them instead of spending the same amount over hundreds of games.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
When money is involved, is it really supposed to be "fun"? Think of it like poker. The lower the stakes, the more fish are around. The higher the stakes, sure, some with money just like to gamble, but more realistically, the more likely the competition gets stiffer. If your bankroll cannot handle the stakes or the competition, learn to dominate your current stakes, and then move up wen you, and your bankroll, are ready.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
Yes, it is more likely the competition is stiffer than the lower games.I've been having moderate success in the Fanduel $25 50/50 contests, leaning on the advice of the FBG.
If I try the $50-$250 contents will I be running into stiffer competition?
Pros do not only want to exclusively play other pros. This will not happen. The site would lose money unless the site would be inclined in taking less money when "pros v pros," because the EV for the "pros" would decrease playing each other.I can agree with this... maybe not 5-10 but something less than 500 games each week! The idea would be promoting higher stakes games for them instead of spending the same amount over hundreds of games.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
You're sort of making my point. If you think of it like poker, that is how I want it. You can't play in 1000 games of poker in one night. There's only so many you have time to play in. Therefore you have to play in higher stakes if you want to win big. If you're just having fun, you can play in small stakes and the competition shouldn't be nearly as tough because you can't win that much. It's a waste of time for the pros.When money is involved, is it really supposed to be "fun"? Think of it like poker. The lower the stakes, the more fish are around. The higher the stakes, sure, some with money just like to gamble, but more realistically, the more likely the competition gets stiffer. If your bankroll cannot handle the stakes or the competition, learn to dominate your current stakes, and then move up wen you, and your bankroll, are ready.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
Not at all, champ. Like most things in life, the higher stakes you play, the less serious the competition.I've been having moderate success in the Fanduel $25 50/50 contests, leaning on the advice of the FBG.
If I try the $50-$250 contents will I be running into stiffer competition?
That's what I'd figured, too, but wasn't sure. I used to clean up on the signup bonuses and such, years ago. Put in $25. Get $25 bonus. Withdraw $50. Now, not so easy. Stupid Fanduel wants be too actually p[lay to get paid.I assume it's a reference to the guys that play TENS OF THOUSANDS of games.Pros?
Good post.You're sort of making my point. If you think of it like poker, that is how I want it. You can't play in 1000 games of poker in one night. There's only so many you have time to play in. Therefore you have to play in higher stakes if you want to win big. If you're just having fun, you can play in small stakes and the competition shouldn't be nearly as tough because you can't win that much. It's a waste of time for the pros. In daily, you can play in 1000 games, so there is no waste of time playing in smaller games. The pros and the amateurs all play in the same games and it's turning the amateurs off from playing the game, which in the long run is bad for everyone. It's obnoxious that if you create a head 2 head game that the same 10 guys sit there all day and scoop them up right away if they see an amateur. Don't you think if poker pros could play in 1000 poker games with amateurs in the same amount of time that they played in 10 games with pros, that they'd prefer to play the 1000? This is why daily is like no other in the gambling industry. It's the only one where volume of bets is basically infinite so you can play the numbers.When money is involved, is it really supposed to be "fun"? Think of it like poker. The lower the stakes, the more fish are around. The higher the stakes, sure, some with money just like to gamble, but more realistically, the more likely the competition gets stiffer. If your bankroll cannot handle the stakes or the competition, learn to dominate your current stakes, and then move up wen you, and your bankroll, are ready.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
The sites don't care who plays, they want to make money. The pros playing in 1000 games is the same as 500 amateurs playing in 2 games each. The problem is that eventually this will push the amateurs away and end up with just pros. Then when the pros go against each other instead of just against amateurs they will push themselves away as well and the sites and the industry will lose.
Hmm... kind of like America.Good post.You're sort of making my point. If you think of it like poker, that is how I want it. You can't play in 1000 games of poker in one night. There's only so many you have time to play in. Therefore you have to play in higher stakes if you want to win big. If you're just having fun, you can play in small stakes and the competition shouldn't be nearly as tough because you can't win that much. It's a waste of time for the pros.In daily, you can play in 1000 games, so there is no waste of time playing in smaller games. The pros and the amateurs all play in the same games and it's turning the amateurs off from playing the game, which in the long run is bad for everyone. It's obnoxious that if you create a head 2 head game that the same 10 guys sit there all day and scoop them up right away if they see an amateur. Don't you think if poker pros could play in 1000 poker games with amateurs in the same amount of time that they played in 10 games with pros, that they'd prefer to play the 1000? This is why daily is like no other in the gambling industry. It's the only one where volume of bets is basically infinite so you can play the numbers.When money is involved, is it really supposed to be "fun"? Think of it like poker. The lower the stakes, the more fish are around. The higher the stakes, sure, some with money just like to gamble, but more realistically, the more likely the competition gets stiffer. If your bankroll cannot handle the stakes or the competition, learn to dominate your current stakes, and then move up wen you, and your bankroll, are ready.The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
The sites don't care who plays, they want to make money. The pros playing in 1000 games is the same as 500 amateurs playing in 2 games each. The problem is that eventually this will push the amateurs away and end up with just pros. Then when the pros go against each other instead of just against amateurs they will push themselves away as well and the sites and the industry will lose.
The way these systems are set up is awful for new players. I joined to test things out and set up (20) $1 head to heads. The same guy who was one of top players on there joined every single one of my games.
The fact that the best players on the site have incentive to play $1 tourneys due to not having a limit on games they can join is beyond stupid.
There is no way the model can last long term with its current setup. The new players will eventually give up after being wiped out by the top 1% of guys on the site.
When I enter a $2 game and not only see Condia there but Condia there with multiple entries, it makes me wonder how long it will take for the greedy ones to kill these games. You would think that when you become one of the best that there would be some honor involved where you don't play in the games where people just trying to have some fun play. You know kind of like the big kid on the playground taking all the little kids lunch money?The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
it's the sites like fanduel's fault, not really the players. I can't blame the condia's of the world for doing it, it's free money for them and it takes zero extra effort on their part.When I enter a $2 game and not only see Condia there but Condia there with multiple entries, it makes me wonder how long it will take for the greedy ones to kill these games. You would think that when you become one of the best that there would be some honor involved where you don't play in the games where people just trying to have some fun play. You know kind of like the big kid on the playground taking all the little kids lunch money?The pros are really taking the fun out of daily, in my opinion. I know the sites like them because they are getting a percentage of all their winnings, but I wish a site would come out that would limit people to 5-10 games a week and that would result in the pros having to play higher stakes and let the people just having some fun play for the $1-25 games.
These top guys spend 20+ hours a week, probably a lot more, researching things. the guys playing low limit games aren't doing this for a living and can't realistically complete against those guys.How about just score higher than them? Problem solved?
Seriously, guys like Condia play the percentages, he's not a computer.
the comparison to poker is ridiculous in the way you presented it.I have been watching this thread, and there is one point that no one has been willing to admit.
At no point in this thread have any of the "non-pros" been willing to just face the facts and realize that they should try to take a step back, and essentially "PLAY BETTER" .
As a professional poker player, 20 years ago I soon realized that if I wanted to start making real money, I had to learn how to "play well".
When things weren't working out right long term ... (and I wasn't seeing what I thought was appropriate results) I then realized I had to learn to "play better".
Anyway, the reason I'm bringing this up, is not to talk down to anyone, but what everyone needs to realize, is this isn't a "fault" on the system.
A game is a game, and anyone can play, or also choose NOT to play.
These guys that everyone thinks are "pros" are human just like the rest of us. They are most likely spreading out their money in an effort to avoid variance and truth be known there is nothing wrong with that.
And on the poker note- Rest assured there were plenty of people playing online poker, grinding out a profit at the smallest of tables.
Often you would see someone playing on 12-15+ tables doing essentially the same thing. They were often squeezing out a small profit at each table, and combining that with site deposit bonuses, and player rewards programs to make a decent monthly profit.
It is not that poker is any better or worse (for so called bad players) than these daily sites, its just a different type of game.
Realize that its just a game, it is what it is.
If for some reason you don't want to play against tough competition, I can understand that, but don't try and blame this "problem" on any specific site in question....or the game either.
Gambling is just like anything else in this world. Its tough. If you don't put some time in and try to actually "work" at it, and learn, then you don't stand a chance versus the people that do.
And another issue with these so-called "poker heroes", like Phil Ivey or others.
Realize that what you see in the bright lights on TV is not exactly what you think it is. I'm not singling out Ivey in general, but many of these guys are broke and being staked, regardless of what you may think or see on TV.
Many of these guys have problems betting sports heavily, blowing their money in the craps and blackjack pits..........etc. etc. Or any one of 100 other vices.
Not only that, many of these guys play no better than many "lower level" grinders, who are content carving out a decent living and not looking for the spotlight. In fact, many of these guys play far better than alot of these "tv stars".
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How about just score higher than them? Problem solved?
Seriously, guys like Condia play the percentages, he's not a computer.
to both.At no point in this thread have any of the "non-pros" been willing to just face the facts and realize that they should try to take a step back, and essentially "PLAY BETTER" .
Why not? Footballguys.com spends more than 20+ hours a week researching things, and for less than $30 you can access all of their collective knowledge for the whole season.These top guys spend 20+ hours a week, probably a lot more, researching things. the guys playing low limit games aren't doing this for a living and can't realistically complete against those guys.
How about just score higher than them? Problem solved?
Seriously, guys like Condia play the percentages, he's not a computer.to both.At no point in this thread have any of the "non-pros" been willing to just face the facts and realize that they should try to take a step back, and essentially "PLAY BETTER" .
Someone upthread noted that poker players can only play so many tables at a time, while there's really no limit to how many daily fantasy games they can enter. Obviously the reason that's the case is because a poker game generally requires the player's attention while it's happening. They are directly involved in the outcome of each and every hand they participate in. Fantasy football, on the other hand, is totally out of your hands once you submit a lineup and the games start. So what are you afraid of?
There's nothing the "pros" can do to beat you, in the same way a professional poker player can outplay you at the table. Condia's not a psychic, he just enters a ####load of contests with a bunch of different lineups. I'm of the opinion that anyone with a decent cheatsheet and a basic understanding of mathematics can be successful on FanDuel, even if you end up with "pros" in all your contests.
Do a little homework and manage your bankroll and you'll be fine.
yes, and you're using their knowledge that 1000's of others are using and splitting any advantage you have with tons of other people.Why not? Footballguys.com spends more than 20+ hours a week researching things, and for less than $30 you can access all of their collective knowledge for the whole season.These top guys spend 20+ hours a week, probably a lot more, researching things. the guys playing low limit games aren't doing this for a living and can't realistically complete against those guys.
Free money for who? What happens if you use their lineups and lose, do they give you your money back?the main reason i even care about this is that i have a friend who is in a group of mid/high stakes players who fills me in on what goes on and has offered to give me his lineups for 50% of the profits. (plus he would get my rake back). It would be free money
No sir, the comparison is NOT ridiculous, but since you are not one who is likely deriving most or all of his income from poker, I won't hold it against you since you just don't know.the comparison to poker is ridiculous in the way you presented it.
if you had to start out in poker playing against the best players there is no way you'd ever be able to learn as you'd get wiped out so quickly, unless you had a never ending bankroll.
In poker you get better by playing against lower level competition and slowly moving up based on your skill level. There is no incentive for top players to play against new low limit players.
In the FF daily's there are groups of players specializing in certain sports and sharing lineups with each other, that's a fact, and they dominate the low limits wiping people out before they have a chance to learn.
yes, in the early stages some newbies might run hot for awhile but they are playing against a stacked deck and will eventually lose, and it's only going to get worse as new players give up after consistently dropping money.
no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. the edges in NFL aren't near as big as other sports.Free money for who? What happens if you use their lineups and lose, do they give you your money back?the main reason i even care about this is that i have a friend who is in a group of mid/high stakes players who fills me in on what goes on and has offered to give me his lineups for 50% of the profits. (plus he would get my rake back). It would be free money
i'm not ignoring you but i'm starting to talk in circles. i've said what i know goes on, if people don't care then that is fine. The system is grossly flawed IMO, in yours it's not. maybe i'm wrong and it's a great system longterm that the average player has a chance in, but i doubt it very very highly.TZMthe comparison to poker is ridiculous in the way you presented it.
if you had to start out in poker playing against the best players there is no way you'd ever be able to learn as you'd get wiped out so quickly, unless you had a never ending bankroll.
In poker you get better by playing against lower level competition and slowly moving up based on your skill level. There is no incentive for top players to play against new low limit players.
In the FF daily's there are groups of players specializing in certain sports and sharing lineups with each other, that's a fact, and they dominate the low limits wiping people out before they have a chance to learn.
yes, in the early stages some newbies might run hot for awhile but they are playing against a stacked deck and will eventually lose, and it's only going to get worse as new players give up after consistently dropping money.
If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
Thanks for your earlier post, it's good to know the kinds of things now going on.i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
So this friend wants you to play lineups for him, with your money and you turn over 50% of your PROFITS... Simple math..i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
some pretty strong math here...So this friend wants you to play lineups for him, with your money and you turn over 50% of your PROFITS... Simple math..i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
$1.00/play x 10 plays= $10.00.... Lets assume you hit that week and win all 10... $1.80/win x 10= $18.00... Now cut that in half.... you have officially lost money and thats only on "WINNING" weeks.... Sounds like a damn good deal to me...
I think you have just discovered the answer for yourself. This daily site action may not be for you.i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby.
His profit in that example isnt $18, it's $8.So this friend wants you to play lineups for him, with your money and you turn over 50% of your PROFITS... Simple math..i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
$1.00/play x 10 plays= $10.00.... Lets assume you hit that week and win all 10... $1.80/win x 10= $18.00... Now cut that in half.... you have officially lost money and thats only on "WINNING" weeks.... Sounds like a damn good deal to me...
Sucker bet either way.... Where does your $8 come from though? $1.80 x 10= $18.00/2= $9. What did I miss? Ill admit, I have only played on FD a handful of times.His profit in that example isnt $18, it's $8.So this friend wants you to play lineups for him, with your money and you turn over 50% of your PROFITS... Simple math..i don't have a clue playing against the top players there, and unfortunately they would be in all the lower limit games i would start at. i admit it, i'm not willing to put in 20+ hours a week for the hobby. he doesn't need me to enter lineups for him, it would be a favor as we're friends.If you sit down at a poker table and can't spot the sucker after ten minutes, you're the sucker.If the problem with FanDuel is that the "pros" can enter an effectively unlimited number of contests, why do they need you to enter their lineups for them and only collect 50% of the profit? That's not "free money" for you, that's a sucker bet.no, in the short term they/I could easily lose, but over a season of all the different sports it's almost impossible as they are able to play against people who have no clue. .
If they're able to play against people who "have no clue," so are you - set your own lineups and keep all the profit.
$1.00/play x 10 plays= $10.00.... Lets assume you hit that week and win all 10... $1.80/win x 10= $18.00... Now cut that in half.... you have officially lost money and thats only on "WINNING" weeks.... Sounds like a damn good deal to me...
It's still a sucker bet, though. "It would be a favor as we're friends." Oof. My friends have never offered to let me give them some of my money every week for no good reason.