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how to end a dysfunctional situation? (1 Viewer)

tommyboy

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setup:

sister in law is narcissist wife with everything in the world, good kids, stay at home mom lives in 900K house, drives new car, has new clothes, plenty of food, kids in private school etc... life is upper middle class. This gal is an expert at nuclear arguments. (the type where you go straight to level 10 maximum pain)

brother in law is normal dude, a little naive, not a quick thinker in an argument and lets things fester till he blows up. A little immature and has biting sarcastic sense of humor. This doesn't work on wife who doesn't know what humor is, at all.

Story:

sister in law torments brother in law because of any particular reason that pops into her head at any given moment. She thrives on drama, anger, resentment, jealousy, rage, you name it she LOVES it. Doesn't matter if its her husband, mom, dad, sisters or brothers, she wants to be the victim and everyone else is the abuser. Everyone will share in her imagined problems. She will out text you, she will out call you, she will out Facebook you, she will get a megaphone and stand in the street screaming if necessary so that everyone shares her drama.

I have been steadily, patiently for years explaining to my wife (her sister) that her sister is nuts, and stupid, and anything that comes out of her mouth take with a grain of salt as though a 5 yr old said it. Over the last several years my wife has recognized that her sister is crazy and learned not to take it so personally when she blows up and slams the phone on her. I'm fine with that, because until today this psychotic woman has never tried to get ME involved in her little drama circles. Keep in mind we've been married 20 yrs and i've known this family for 26 years.

so today she lies to my wife about something I allegedly said, that I never said. How to respond?

My first impulse was to call her directly and just tell her, i never said that so drop it,ok, thanks, buhbye. But then I thought some more and decided I wouldn't respond, at all. why should I give this chick the reaction she so desperately craves.

How would you handle this>? I sense a trap. In case you can't tell from the above, the marriage is on the rocks and has been getting worse for 3 years. In 90% of the situations I side with the brother in law.

 
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Is your wife pissed off about it? Does she believe that you didn't say what the SIL is accusing you of saying? If your wife is in your corner, I'd leave it alone. But, I avoid drama at all costs. Can't think of many things I hate more than a drama queen.

 
Don't feed the beast. The worst thing you could do to her is totally ignore it as it never happened.

 
Is your wife pissed off about it? Does she believe that you didn't say what the SIL is accusing you of saying? If your wife is in your corner, I'd leave it alone. But, I avoid drama at all costs. Can't think of many things I hate more than a drama queen.
No not pissed.

 
Think of the correct way to deal with the situation then subtract all logic and reasoning. You now have her point of view. Respond accordingly.

 
She sounds pretty hot. Is she blonde? Does she drink a lot? If so, please send me her contact info.

 
That's my SIL exactly except they aren't rich. Victim mentality know-it-all. We avoid at all costs and try not to get cornered in conversations.

 
Sounds like my SIL.

I believe she has BPD. Sadly, I cant have them part of my life it is too unhealthy for everyone. I hope one day my SIL gets the help she needs.

 
C'Mon, it's just us here, you can admit that you said what she says you said. You made a move on the ol sister-in-law didn't ya... No shame in it. She's crazy so you had good odds and if you get shot down then it's easy deniability.

 
Fennis said:
Sounds like my SIL.

I believe she has BPD. Sadly, I cant have them part of my life it is too unhealthy for everyone. I hope one day my SIL gets the help she needs.
This is me but it's my sister and not SIL. I still owe a thread update - need to get that done sometime - but basically I haven't spoken to my sister in two years because I can't have her around my wife and kids.

I completely agree with most in here on this - completely ignore it after you make it clear to the wife that 1. You didn't say. 2. You won't respond to her and 3. You have no intention of being around her unless it's unavoidable.

 
edit: Never mind. /EmilyLitella

Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.

 
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Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.

 
Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.
Yeah, that's the way I read it (it is a bit ambiguous); bat#### SIL marriage is on the rocks.

 
Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.
Yeah, that's the way I read it (it is a bit ambiguous); bat#### SIL marriage is on the rocks.
Also, and I may have this wrong, but I'm pretty sure tommyboy has posted for years that he and his wife are happily married.

 
Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.
Ahhhhh. I read "the marriage is on the rocks" and I assumed he was referring to his own.

 
Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.
Ahhhhh. I read "the marriage is on the rocks" and I assumed he was referring to his own.
well after reading enough of tommyboys political post that's an easy mistake to make. ;)

 
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C'Mon, it's just us here, you can admit that you said what she says you said. You made a move on the ol sister-in-law didn't ya... No shame in it. She's crazy so you had good odds and if you get shot down then it's easy deniability.
yeah, she's a real prize

:rolleyes:

Your sister-in-law senses that your marriage is on the rocks, and she is using that against you. She is manipulating your wife, and you are the collateral damage.

There's not much you can do, though. If your wife is unhappy in the marriage, then she'll believe the lies just because it reinforces her unhappiness.
I think you misunderstood - it's the crazy SIL's marriage that is in trouble, not tommyboys.
Yeah, that's the way I read it (it is a bit ambiguous); bat#### SIL marriage is on the rocks.
Also, and I may have this wrong, but I'm pretty sure tommyboy has posted for years that he and his wife are happily married.
20 yrs, 4 great kids and a great wife. wouldn't want it any other way. I'm just about the luckiest guy ever, my wife is really cool.

 
Eh, trying to convince your wife that her sister is crazy seems a bit of a bad play to me. If she's that crazy, your wife will realize it.

As with most things involving family, I'd suggest the safest move: stay away from any drama and be nice to everybody.

 
Fennis said:
Sounds like my SIL.

I believe she has BPD. Sadly, I cant have them part of my life it is too unhealthy for everyone. I hope one day my SIL gets the help she needs.
Yup. See www.bpdfamily.com on how to cope with family members afflicted by this mental illness.

 
I'm 100% in the ignore it if your wife isn't upset crowd. Trying to somehow strike revenge or get back at your SIL will end badly...she's your wife's sister. No matter how crazy either of you think she is, she'll still be your wife's sister. I'm guessing that if your SIL/BIL are wealthy, and the SIL is a stay-at-home do-nothing, the BIL, while "a little naieve and not a quick thinker," did something right along the way to make the $. The SIL probably resents just being left at home all day with no purpose. Basically, people who have no purpose find stupid ones.

If you insist on doing something, you just poke her about anything that you know will get a reaction that she will post all over social media...whether it's negative towards you, or anyone else. You basically want a 24/7 rant-fest. All of her friends will very quickly realize (or confirm) that she's bat-#### crazy. It's essentially the boy who cried wolf...just make her cry wolf a lot, and eventually nobody will listen.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
Any chance BIL insinuated those things to her during an argument? "and tommy agrees with me!"

I agree that your best option is to just ignore her.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
If she is suffering BPD or another PD, there is a good chance she genuinely believes what she says. PD sufferers create facts to fit their feelings. Anyone who must engage her when these issues arise, particularly her husband, can use tools like validation (of her feelings, not her facts) to diffuse the situation. You and your wife can also use these tools... In hopefully the rare times needed. I agree that if you can avoid her drama, stay away.

 
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could.
Has she ever stayed at your house after an argument? Because that seems like the kind of thing that should be discouraged...

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
I don't like to start confrontations but I am not above turning them up to 11 and seeing how it goes. I would call her while my wife was on the line with me and I would confront her on her lie. When she then called my wife a liar I'd say "well she is on the line, honey are you a liar?" and then I would get off the line and let them have at. At least with my wife that would be the end of that crap. And you can bet the whole not staying with us ever would be in force pretty quickly.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
Any chance BIL insinuated those things to her during an argument? "and tommy agrees with me!"

I agree that your best option is to just ignore her.
maybe. doubt it but one can never tell

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
If she is suffering BPD or another PD, there is a good chance she genuinely believes what she says. PD sufferers create facts to fit their feelings. Anyone who must engage her when these issues arise, particularly her husband, can use tools like validation (of her feelings, not her facts) to diffuse the situation. You and your wife can also use these tools... In hopefully the rare times needed. I agree that if you can avoid her drama, stay away.
I'm content to just ignore her, since she's not my wife and I have no dealings with her other than family gatherings. On the other hand my poor BIL is pulling his hair out trying to figure out how to just manage her, just to have a semi normal marriage, otherwise I fear he's going to split. So, point me in the direction of "tools" I can refer him to so he might be able to handle her better. She's like a loaded pistol and you never know what's going to set her off.

 
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could.
Has she ever stayed at your house after an argument? Because that seems like the kind of thing that should be discouraged...
never. She called a few weeks back after one of their horrible, terrible, no good arguments and asked my wife if she could bring her and her 5 kids over. My wife said no, we don't have the room (we don't, we have 4 kids of our own). She's still mad at my wife for that answer weeks later.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
I don't like to start confrontations but I am not above turning them up to 11 and seeing how it goes. I would call her while my wife was on the line with me and I would confront her on her lie. When she then called my wife a liar I'd say "well she is on the line, honey are you a liar?" and then I would get off the line and let them have at. At least with my wife that would be the end of that crap. And you can bet the whole not staying with us ever would be in force pretty quickly.
I don't think that would work because my wife is too nice, and her sister is 1000 times better in yelling matches.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
I don't like to start confrontations but I am not above turning them up to 11 and seeing how it goes. I would call her while my wife was on the line with me and I would confront her on her lie. When she then called my wife a liar I'd say "well she is on the line, honey are you a liar?" and then I would get off the line and let them have at. At least with my wife that would be the end of that crap. And you can bet the whole not staying with us ever would be in force pretty quickly.
I don't think that would work because my wife is too nice, and her sister is 1000 times better in yelling matches.
Yeah my wife is nice until she isn't. And this kind of crap would make her go to isn't pretty quick.

 
What did she say you said? How the hell does that get left out Roger?
she claimed that I sided with her husband on their most recent nuclear argument (I didn't, I told him "dude, you can't do that, you just need to walk away") and she claimed that I said she could never stay at our house if they have an argument, only he could. Both of these things are untrue, never said either.. She just made it up to create drama, and if I called her to confront her on it, she'd deny she said it to my wife and claim my wife didn't hear her properly. I know how this game goes.

she's on perma-ignore at this point.
If she is suffering BPD or another PD, there is a good chance she genuinely believes what she says. PD sufferers create facts to fit their feelings. Anyone who must engage her when these issues arise, particularly her husband, can use tools like validation (of her feelings, not her facts) to diffuse the situation. You and your wife can also use these tools... In hopefully the rare times needed. I agree that if you can avoid her drama, stay away.
I'm content to just ignore her, since she's not my wife and I have no dealings with her other than family gatherings. On the other hand my poor BIL is pulling his hair out trying to figure out how to just manage her, just to have a semi normal marriage, otherwise I fear he's going to split. So, point me in the direction of "tools" I can refer him to so he might be able to handle her better. She's like a loaded pistol and you never know what's going to set her off.
Tools: http://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?board=36.0;sort=views;desc

I suspect if he visits the other forums there where people share their stories, he'll see a ton of parallels.

 

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