How to handle no lineup week 1 (1 Viewer)

[Unlucky]

In all other weeks, no lineup submission = starting last week's players. However, since it's week 1, there is no "last week's players" to start. What would be the fairest rule, considering the impact on all teams in the league?

 

[gandalas]

Go with the starting lineup that was drafted. And then kick this dead-beat out of the league.

 

[solorca]

I would go with his drafted lineup to give a fair matchup against the person who he is playing against, but if he somehow manages to win, it becomes an automatic forfeited victory.

Gotta penalize the guy for failing to put in a lineup in the first week.

 

[dagwood]

In all other weeks, no lineup submission = starting last week's players. However, since it's week 1, there is no "last week's players" to start. What would be the fairest rule, considering the impact on all teams in the league?

Fill the lineup based on draft order and skip over players out like A.Foster. First 2 drafted RB's fill the RB slot etc.

 

[Dave Stauff]

Don't see how you could go with the 0 points option since that can't occur in any other week of the season - thus creating inequity all thru the league. If I were Commish, I'd start the highest drafted player(s) at each position. This will remain the starting lineup all year if he never submits a lineup (and some owners will benefit from bye weeks but what can you do?).

 

[Wildcat]

Don't see how you could go with the 0 points option since that can't occur in any other week of the season - thus creating inequity all thru the league. If I were Commish, I'd start the highest drafted player(s) at each position. This will remain the starting lineup all year if he never submits a lineup (and some owners will benefit from bye weeks but what can you do?).

Yes, but do you think it is fair if his opponent loses because of this? his lineup submission most likely wouldn't hacve been the same. I would scream if I were his opponent. He should not be rewarded for not submitting a lineup. As the previous poster mentioned, he should take a loss no matter what.

 

[CalBear]

Zero points and booted out of the league unless he has a really good explanation for why he couldn't visit the site once between the draft and the start of the season. Obviously he doesn't want to play fantasy football.

 

[elshagon]

We had this happen once. We tell all owners you must submit a lineup the first week. No lineup = no points. We also have it so you start last weeks lineup if no changes were submitted.

Oh yeah, and that owner was booted from the league.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

default to highest drafted even if owner d/n ask for it.

This is more about ensuring that the guy who plays him doesn't get an unfair advantage by getting a bye, than helping him out.

and re: the start last weeks lineup provision in later weeks, do you have a provision for what to do if the next week those players are on bye/were on bye etc...?

 

[GregR]

Another option would be to have the owner play against the league average not counting the deadbeat.

Whichever option you go with, you could give the deadbeat owner a loss regardless of the game score. So you could end up with both owners losing that week.

 

[Jason Wood]

Sorry but barring an emergency, not submitting a lineup in Week One should result in either:

A) A zero and loss plus potential removal from the league

or

B) Replacing the owner with a stand in, and providing that owner with a starting lineup based on draft order less players declared out no more than an hour before game time

 

[Unlucky]

and re: the start last weeks lineup provision in later weeks, do you have a provision for what to do if the next week those players are on bye/were on bye etc...?

If they are hurt or on a bye, they are on a bye. No changes or intervention there.Some really strong views from both sides. Consider this to be a commercial money league. I wrote the rules to include the provision that the highest drafted players are started to be fairest to the entire league. While this can hurt the owner playing the guy, is it really fair to the rest of the league to allow an owner a free win? In the particular case I'm dealing with, the owner hasn't logged in for 20 days, so I think something bad happened to him. Just give everyone a bye against him all the way through, or make people play against his default lineup all the way through? What if he shows up in the next week or two?

 

[ratbast]

You messed up here too. A lineup should have been submitted even if you had to call it.

At this point its a loss for the negligent owner, and he should be given one point less than the worst point total of the week for any team, if you use points in tiebreakers at all.

I would post a note on the front page of your league explaining what issues this has caused and I would take a firm stance on my decision.

Peer pressure the owner so that he bails after the season or becomes the best owner ever. There should be asterisks Everywhere! All referring to this gaffe.

 

[Johnny Blood]

In all other weeks, no lineup submission = starting last week's players. However, since it's week 1, there is no "last week's players" to start. What would be the fairest rule, considering the impact on all teams in the league?

So it sounds like you have written bylaws. Even though that rule does not literally speak on this issue, I would argue that this is simply an unrecognized case that falls under the rule. "Last week's players" in this instance has one reasonable interpretation: the people he drafted first to fill his lineup.

 

[RUSF18]

I would give him his drafted lineup as well, but wouldn't make any changes based on players declared out as some have suggested. Do you have any sort of rule/condition that allows an owner to replace a 0 in his lineup if he happens to not be able to log in to his team Sunday morning to make that sort of change? If you don't, I don't see how you can do it in this case. If he drafted Foster, he gets Foster's stats.

 

[Johnny Blood]

Foster was a Sunday morning scratch, you're really pushing it if you say Foster should be out of his lineup. It's one thing to require a lineup, that's saying you require people to monitor everything up until kickoff and respond to it.

If you want to force lineups and account for dead teams it's best to have a rule like:

Dead team lineups will be set according to ESPN fantasy projections.

or

Dead team lineups will be set according to players who are highest ranked in season scoring and are not hurt.

Or something like that.

Letting his drafted lineup sit there all season isn't fair, it is expected (though not guaranteed) that this advantages his late season opponents over his early season opponents. So it skews the playoff race.

 

[adrenaline]

The other team shouldn't get an automatic win because he happened to be facing the deadbeat. It's fine if the deadbeat's team wins because he should be replaced.

 

[Crazy Tony]

WE have a rule that you must start a player in each position (we're on yahoo) and we will put the highest projected player in the empty position.

If they don't set a line-up week 1...sign of things to come. Replace the owner.

Points...the only non-subjective way to do it is going with league settings of host site. Projected points. Assuming that based on your league's settings your scoring is more accurate. You don't always draft in order of best need especially in later rounds.

Go with the no brainers and fill the rest according to league settings. Try to base it off information that was known prior to kickoff.

Since there was a THursday Game...if NO/GB players were on his roster. You can diplomatically justify sitting some THURS players if it helps an owners squeak by with a win.

But if that owner sucked and lost and would've lost...they dont' get any freebies. Acknowledge that it does suck but his players sucking is not excuse to allow a win over an owner that wasn't there.

Encourage him to find a replacement owner that is an idiot and willing to make trades with him for the season to help make up for it.

 

[dreadlocks]

Don't see how you could go with the 0 points option since that can't occur in any other week of the season - thus creating inequity all thru the league. If I were Commish, I'd start the highest drafted player(s) at each position. This will remain the starting lineup all year if he never submits a lineup (and some owners will benefit from bye weeks but what can you do?).

Yes, but do you think it is fair if his opponent loses because of this? his lineup submission most likely wouldn't hacve been the same. I would scream if I were his opponent. He should not be rewarded for not submitting a lineup. As the previous poster mentioned, he should take a loss no matter what.

The other owner should have called the commish.

 

[Tchula]

It is the owners responsibility to set his lineup, not the commish. Set it as his LAST drafted players, not his first drafted players. If the owner wants to change it, then he needs to do it.

 

[dagwood]

Foster was a Sunday morning scratch, you're really pushing it if you say Foster should be out of his lineup. It's one thing to require a lineup, that's saying you require people to monitor everything up until kickoff and respond to it.If you want to force lineups and account for dead teams it's best to have a rule likeead team lineups will be set according to ESPN fantasy projections.orDead team lineups will be set according to players who are highest ranked in season scoring and are not hurt.Or something like that.Letting his drafted lineup sit there all season isn't fair, it is expected (though not guaranteed) that this advantages his late season opponents over his early season opponents. So it skews the playoff race.

Funny. I was out of town this weekend so I had to set my lineup on Friday. Everything I read on Friday was that Foster was not going to play. So I started someone else.I think the bigger issue is the guy has been gone for 20+ days. Hopefully nothing bad happened to him. You need a replacement owner. Do the right thing about week 1 and if it means a loss to the other guy so be it. Its a long season.

 

[CalBear]

and re: the start last weeks lineup provision in later weeks, do you have a provision for what to do if the next week those players are on bye/were on bye etc...?

If they are hurt or on a bye, they are on a bye. No changes or intervention there.Some really strong views from both sides. Consider this to be a commercial money league. I wrote the rules to include the provision that the highest drafted players are started to be fairest to the entire league. While this can hurt the owner playing the guy, is it really fair to the rest of the league to allow an owner a free win? In the particular case I'm dealing with, the owner hasn't logged in for 20 days, so I think something bad happened to him. Just give everyone a bye against him all the way through, or make people play against his default lineup all the way through? What if he shows up in the next week or two?

Whatever it says in your league rules is what you should do. But I think the rule should be forfeiture and ejection from the league. Think about forfeiture in other sports context; if a team forfeits a game due to a rule violation, or because they failed to show up, is awarding the other team the win unfair to the rest of the league? No, because the winning team did what it had to do; they showed up for the game in accordance with the rules. It's not their fault their opponents didn't show.

When Stanford forfeited a rugby match to Cal in 2001 because they were "very afraid to get injured," was it unfair to award Cal the win? (I am not making this up.) Should the league have invented a lineup for Stanford, called it Stanford's lineup, and had them play against the Bears instead?

 

[Crazy Tony]

and re: the start last weeks lineup provision in later weeks, do you have a provision for what to do if the next week those players are on bye/were on bye etc...?

If they are hurt or on a bye, they are on a bye. No changes or intervention there.Some really strong views from both sides. Consider this to be a commercial money league. I wrote the rules to include the provision that the highest drafted players are started to be fairest to the entire league. While this can hurt the owner playing the guy, is it really fair to the rest of the league to allow an owner a free win? In the particular case I'm dealing with, the owner hasn't logged in for 20 days, so I think something bad happened to him. Just give everyone a bye against him all the way through, or make people play against his default lineup all the way through? What if he shows up in the next week or two?

IF YOU GIVE week1 owner a bye... you need to give everyone a Bye Week. If something bad did happen and he does come back (Not Likely). He's got other things to worry about. Let him co-manage the team with a replacement but he screwed up. By selecting league projections for positions using highest rated players. You never have this issue (Play starters...but no previously line up form week 1). Also don't don't have to deal with....well SO &SO was ruled out or is on a bye. TO avoid TANKING we have to start a player that has chance of playing. BYE week players do not have chance of playing. Players OUT do not have a chance of playing. GD decisions do. 4th-5ht stringers do. Tim Tebow likely won't but could. You can fill a spot with one of these players if there are no other players on the team. IF there is not a player...ie. TEAM DEF BYe....you drop the lowest rated player from their roster and ADD Team DEF or K etc. No owner in their right mind is going to start Charles Whitehurst, Matt Moore over Brady or Brees or even Jason Campbell. Doing that would be tanking and artificially messes up with league standings. Especially if this other weak-### owner lost to an absentee owner. The rankings takes away the issue of YOU looking like you're screwing someone for your own interest. Let the league know you researched this on several professional websites and the general consensus and the most fair decision for the LEAGUE not just 1 owner or the Other...was what you decide to do. LET OWNERS KNOW THIS ALSO:If they start a player who has a BYE or is ruled OUT prior to GTDecision...COMMISH will edit their line-up to start the player who has the Highest Projected Points for that week. Not necessarily highest Ranked. But it is positional. OWNERS to Avoid CONFUSION...as COMMISH....I have always been a FAN of assisting owners in MGT.OWNER XYZ: I will be away from my COMPUTER THIS WEEKEND. FORTE is GTD decision. FORTE is my #1 choice to play but if he cannot play My backup CHOICE Is MCGahee. The OWNER posts this in league messages for all to see. Commissioner doesn't have to make changes before kickoff. He can do it after the fact...but it's best prior to kickoff if possible. Just REply with a confirmation and any other owner with that situation will be accommodated. This also makes the league less uptight. If you do a little planning ahead and put in a little effort your team will be managed. "COMMISH...My player is a GTD....I don't want to drop any players I'm intentionally going with him this week even if he doesn't start...if it's ruled out and I have to put field a full team.... Please drop _____" You're not in a position to be forced to pick. You're just there to help make it happen while they're away. If the owner is worried about a Week1 loss...tell him to quit sucking...but take advantage of it....he might have improved waiver status, a favorable 1st round playoff matchup...etc.DOING ALL OF THIS...if the owner comes back...and you managed his crappy team more or less as is... you protected his buy-in. He's allowed to take over from there but he is not getting a refund. If he was really hurt, car accident and stuff and FF is only thing in life he remembers and you gave him 0s for being in a wreck...you might kill him. (Once you put in a starting roster there is no reason to change it the next week unless a player is ruled out) From then on you only fill those positions on a need to basis only. In season roster management is huge. If this guy's roster wins the league (UNLIKELY) Set the money aside for him. 2006 the commissioner of a league (my old college roommate) cheated and said I didn't owned Dshawn wynn FA for NYG because I picked him up prior to Tuesday. My first year in this league...I was confused because it wasn't written anywhere and the system let me do it. Tuesday at 8am is when you're allowed... But Tuesday at 7:50am...The commissioner takes the guy off my roster and puts it on his own roster... I was pissed and this was blatant cheating. I called him a bunch of names. COMMSIH locked me out. I couldn't ADD/MOVE/TRADE/EDIT LINE-UP etc/POST. I was stuck with my week2 lineup for the season. Well...I beat him in in week 8 and made the playoffs. I lost to him in the 2nd round of the playoffs. I was 1 roster edit from winning it all IMO. Thing is...the guy is gone but the team is still there and you'd start the team. If the coach died the players would still play...but it's not like the practice squad is suddenly promoted to First team. The starters would start. Someone would help fill in and make the most of it. If you start out by doing weird stuff. BYE Weeks and 0 points that just creates more problems...even though I understand and it's really tempting!I once pissed off the commissioner for calling him a bunch of bad names because he was cheating...in return he locked me out from making any moved the entire season. I couldn't edit my line-up etc etc. All I could do is change my team name. I

 

[dagwood]

As an ethical corollary question.

Shouldn't the opposing owner have pointed out to the commish that no lineup had been entered?

I find it hard to believe that he did not notice.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Nobody should get a free win, submit a lineup for this team and find a replacement owner.

 

[Mr.Pack]

When someone has an illegal lineup in my league, they get zero points, but the team they played has to beat the average of all the losing teams that week to get the win.