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wiscstlatlmia

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I can't think of a better match made in heaven. Could you Imagine what Manning could do with Gore, Big Vern and Michael Crabtree? I realize most still are not very high on Crabtree, but hes been playing great lately. Alex Smith has been playing great so far this year , but he would be nowhere without that defense. Peyton with the newer generations Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis on the other side of the ball, Ted Ginn returning Kick's and a seemingly(at this point) phenomenal young coach.

This seems like a match made in heaven to me. I realize this is anything but a pipe dream at this point, but I would love to see it.Even as a Rams fan, I might hop on the banwagon, much like I did with Tebow and the Bronco's for this year lol. :unsure:

For the first time in his Career, Manning would have a true shut down defense that could not only keep him in games, but sometimes win them for him. For the first time in his career he would not have the entire team and organization built around him.

 
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Discounting the Manning to (fill in the city/team) talk....

How can you call yourself a fan of the Rams and then consider switching allegiances to the 49ers? That's what strikes me as bizzare. I cannot even fathom this.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Discounting the Manning to (fill in the city/team) talk.... How can you call yourself a fan of the Rams and then consider switching allegiances to the 49ers? That's what strikes me as bizzare. I cannot even fathom this.
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Personally, as a fan thats watches a lot of the Ram's, plus the combination of not being competitive for the last ten years or so, I found myself rooting for the NFC west in general. They have been the laughing stock of the league for quite some time now and have become the ultimate underdog. As a guy who watches a lot of NFC west football and a fan of the NFL in general, I really hate watching talent go to waste. The 49ers have been absolutely loaded for years and nothing had become of it. They are finally putting it all together and the Rams are still a rebuilding franchise. The Rams are not going to be competitive for at least another two years with the guys they have on there roster and I'm not sure if Spags keeps his job after this year(I hope he does) .If they give up on Spags after this year I will be extremely disheartened. As much as I understand the thought of rooting for the 49ers as a Rams fan sounds like a sin, I really don't think the two teams coincide right now, they are in completely different spots as franchises. Obviously I will root for the Rams every week and watch them over San Fran 10 out of 10 times, but because the Rams are where they are, my fandom comes from draft research and watching a lot of college football. I look for all the guys I would want on the team for the next year and hope they pick them. I have to say they are going in the right direction, they just got left out to dry by horrible management in the early to mid 2000s. They got real lazy with there drafting because they had a super team and now they are paying for it because all the best players they had are in canton(Warner,Faulk, Bruce ,Holt ,Pace). I do this with college basketball as well. I'm a huge Umass fan but I root for Xavier Also because Clearly, Umass is not on the same level of them in the A-10 and National level. they just dont recruit the same type of talent or make it to the big tourney. I root for Umass every time they play each other, but I root for the A-10 and follow it closely because its fun to have things to root for in the mean time while your team is rebuilding/ being a bottom feeder lol. Richmond made a great run last year and I was totally behind it.I'm Certainly not a 49ers fan, but I love Patrick Willis since his days at Ole Miss , he was going to be one of my favorites regardless of what team he went to. I became a fan of Michael Crabtree after I watched him dominate the entire Big-12 and Vern is one of the sickest athletes I've ever seen in my life. I just absolutely love the way they drafted the past few years and I have loved the prospects they have brought onto there team the past few years. Navarro Bowman was a great pick, along with Anthony Davis Mike Iupati. Plus, this year they seemed to have drafted an another stud in Aldon Smith. I do the same thing with the Cardinals. I love Beanie Wells, Patrick Peterson and Larry Fitzgerald. Those guys are all monster's and deserve to have success in the win Column. I certainly rooted for them on there Superbowl run , I love Kurt Warner and wanted him to get another ring. Also, the way Fitz carried them was extremely impressive. The one team I truly dislike is the Seahawks, I just can't stand them no matter who is on the team. They beat us consistently when we were on our last gasp with Bulger.I think this has a direct correlation to the fact that the 49ers and Cardinals were absolutely miserable when the Rams were on there unbelievable run and the Seahawks were the only team semi-competitive with them at the time. I hate the Saints way more (than the 49ers and Cardinals) for what they did to us in the wilcard game in 2000 with Aaron Brooks... That one stung for a long time. I dont particularly like the Falcons either for the 47-17 drubbing they gave us in 2004. I love Bill Belichick, but I absolutely hate the Patriots as well. The games that sting are not usually regular season games. I made this response long (and went into solid detail) because I can Imagine everyone that see's this is thinking the same thing you are and I have a feeling haterade in on the way. :yes: Regardless, enough about me. What are peoples thoughts on Manning to the 49ers next year?
 
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'Raiderfan32904 said:
Discounting the Manning to (fill in the city/team) talk.... How can you call yourself a fan of the Rams and then consider switching allegiances to the 49ers? That's what strikes me as bizzare. I cannot even fathom this.
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I've kind of been hesitant to post about this in the past because I don't want to feel the wrath of the homers, but I think it is pretty clear that its the weakest division in football in regards to fan rivalries is the NFC West. It is not meant to be a knock on the fans, because the reality is, there has been so much realignment in that division over the past couple of decades, budding rivalries tend to get snuffed out (i.e. Atlanta and SF). For example, in 1993, Seattle was in the AFC West and the Saints and Falcons were in the NFC West. Starting in 1995, the Panthers were in the NFC West and left in 2002 to be replaced by the Seahawks (which geographically makes sense, but kills the rivalry aspect...hopefully they aren't the subject of realignment again (although if there is a team in L.A...)).
 
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Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.

 
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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Talk in SF is that Niners are looking to sign Smith to a two year extension. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that niners are even remotely interested in Peyton. As to Smith's quality as a QB, as well as showing how good coaching can make a difference, the niners success this year really highlights the utter failings of both Nolan and Singletary, particularly Singletary, as a head coach, especially in matters relating to Smith. Honestly, I think you can wipe the slate clean of everything that happened prior to Harbaugh's arrival. Nolan and Sing were awful head coaches and both weilded significantly negative impacts on Smith.And Peyton could find himself a FA next year. He's due a $28mil roster bonus in 2012, which, if I understand correctly, he would not be paid if he's released. Talk is that Peyton may extend terms of the roster bonus in order for Indy to try and work a trade, but hard to see another team taking on that kind of liability for an aging QB off a season ending injury no matter the cost. If the news on Peyton isn't good come February of this year, he's either going to be a FA, traded, or need to seriously restructure his deal. I can easily envision an environment where he is a FA.
 
'johnadams said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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Talk in SF is that Niners are looking to sign Smith to a two year extension. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that niners are even remotely interested in Peyton. As to Smith's quality as a QB, as well as showing how good coaching can make a difference, the niners success this year really highlights the utter failings of both Nolan and Singletary, particularly Singletary, as a head coach, especially in matters relating to Smith. Honestly, I think you can wipe the slate clean of everything that happened prior to Harbaugh's arrival. Nolan and Sing were awful head coaches and both weilded significantly negative impacts on Smith.And Peyton could find himself a FA next year. He's due a $28mil roster bonus in 2012, which, if I understand correctly, he would not be paid if he's released. Talk is that Peyton may extend terms of the roster bonus in order for Indy to try and work a trade, but hard to see another team taking on that kind of liability for an aging QB off a season ending injury no matter the cost. If the news on Peyton isn't good come February of this year, he's either going to be a FA, traded, or need to seriously restructure his deal. I can easily envision an environment where he is a FA.
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I think that Reggie Wayne (I think Anthony Gonzalez as well?) is a FA too after the season, would make sense for those two to come in as a combo package and teach the other WR's the system.
 
As a Saints fan who used to be in the NFC West with the 9ers & Rams I am still trying to wrap my head around a Rams fan (always have been in the same division with the 9ers as far back as there have been divisions (the 50s? Talking a 50+ year old rivalry here)... pulling for the 9ers to get a HOF'er in at QB. No, no, no, not now, not ever. I still hate both the Rams and the 9ers and pull for them to lose just on principle.

But are the 9ers really just going to get rid of Alex Smith after all these years, just when he is doing well and pulling together a fantastic season? Doubt it. Same concerns exist for everyone as with the Colts. How is the neck? What about stability? Even if he's healthy he's there for just 2 years maybe. And can he play outside the now well known Colts system and get with a new program. And the money, oh then there's the money.

I think he stays with the Colts and if not it's the Skins. The Colts will not trade him to the AFC, period. They might not even trade him to the NFC division they play next year (NFC North). No one in the NFC South or NFC North needs a QB, so that leaves very few choices between the NFC West and the NFC East (who? Not NYG, Dal, or Phi). The Skins fit best. After that he can end up like Archie and play for the dregs (Cards, Hawks), but I don't think he will want to do that and would rather retire. He's in a tight spot here; I say it's back to the Colts (and he restructures the contract).

Do people really think the Colts would not want Luck to sit and learn under Manning for a year? Or that Luck would not want that? It's the perfect situation for all parties.

 
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'johnadams said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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Talk in SF is that Niners are looking to sign Smith to a two year extension. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that niners are even remotely interested in Peyton. As to Smith's quality as a QB, as well as showing how good coaching can make a difference, the niners success this year really highlights the utter failings of both Nolan and Singletary, particularly Singletary, as a head coach, especially in matters relating to Smith. Honestly, I think you can wipe the slate clean of everything that happened prior to Harbaugh's arrival. Nolan and Sing were awful head coaches and both weilded significantly negative impacts on Smith.And Peyton could find himself a FA next year. He's due a $28mil roster bonus in 2012, which, if I understand correctly, he would not be paid if he's released. Talk is that Peyton may extend terms of the roster bonus in order for Indy to try and work a trade, but hard to see another team taking on that kind of liability for an aging QB off a season ending injury no matter the cost. If the news on Peyton isn't good come February of this year, he's either going to be a FA, traded, or need to seriously restructure his deal. I can easily envision an environment where he is a FA.
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Looking at Smith's stats this year actually got me thinking about this topic. As much as his stats look good, he has struggled against quality opponents.Dallas: 16-24 for 179 2 tds and 1 int Cincinnati: 20-30 for 201 0 tds and 0 intDetroit: 17-32 for 125 1 td and 1 intBaltimore: 15-24 for 140 0 tds and 1 intso...against winning teams hes:COMP:68 ATT:110 YDS:645 TD:3 INT:3 Completion %: 62 Per game average = COMP:17 ATT:28 YDS:161.25 TD: .75 INT: .75QB rating= 74.4 (PrimeComputing.com) :shrug: Something tells me San Fran's front office may be interested in Manning if he was healthy.
 
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it wuld o almost be unfair if he went to the forty niners because they would obliterage the rest of the division and then probably even win the al west too because they would be that good cripes now i fear for the rest of the league but i guess i would rather have him go there than kansas city because they dont deserve it

 
I think it would really come down to how passionate Manning was about collecting that 28 Million. I can't see anybody agreeing to that given his health status.

I could see the 49ers dealing their 1st rounder for him though. Alex Smith is averaging less than 200 yards passing/game. Manning could give them a legit chance to hang in there with the league's elite offenses, given how good the defense is in SF. Pretty confident Manning would have to accept tearing up that current contract and going with something like a 2 year deal for 35 Million with half guaranteed.

 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
I can't think of a better match made in heaven. Could you Imagine what Manning could do with Gore, Big Vern and Michael Crabtree? I realize most still are not very high on Crabtree, but hes been playing great lately. Alex Smith has been playing great so far this year , but he would be nowhere without that defense. Peyton with the newer generations Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis on the other side of the ball, Ted Ginn returning Kick's and a seemingly(at this point) phenomenal young coach.

This seems like a match made in heaven to me. I realize this is anything but a pipe dream at this point, but I would love to see it.Even as a Rams fan, I might hop on the banwagon, much like I did with Tebow and the Bronco's for this year lol. :unsure:

For the first time in his Career, Manning would have a true shut down defense that could not only keep him in games, but sometimes win them for him. For the first time in his career he would not have the entire team and organization built around him.
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Dude.As for the actual content of the post, it's hard to speculate about possible landing spots when no one has any idea how Peyton will recover from his injury.

 
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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The 49ers remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. All they need from Alex Smith is a Trent Dilfer like performance in the playoffs.
 
'Chaka said:
I doubt Harbaugh would want him.
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I agree. Harbaugh has supreme confidence in coaching up QBs to play the way he wants them to play, within his system, and he's succeeded doing that with Josh Johnson, Luck, and now Smith. He handpicked Kaepernick and traded up in the 2nd round to get him, and Kaep is learning the Harbaugh way. If Smith regresses, Kaep will be the man and he will be successful in the Harbaugh system.I really don't think they will be looking to add a 36 year old QB whose health is uncertain and who has his own way of doing things. They are 10-2 doing it Harbaugh's way. I don't think they would see the need to shell out the draft picks and $$$ necessary to get a guy with a short shelf life and health concerns.Manning will end up in a place like Washington or Miami if he leaves. Someplace with an impatient 'big splash' owner who wants immediate star power gratification.
 
There's no reason to deal for Manning. What would they have to give up? One or multiple first rounders? When Harbaugh specifically traded up on the second to get kaepernick? when manning might only be around a few more years, and not even at 100%?

nope

 
'Tony Reali said:
There's no reason to deal for Manning. What would they have to give up? One or multiple first rounders? When Harbaugh specifically traded up on the second to get kaepernick? when manning might only be around a few more years, and not even at 100%?nope
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As I understand Mannings contract, it requires 28 million option bonus before the start of the new league year. No way does Indy pay that unless they plan to keep him. You cannot trade any players before the start of the new league year.Manning either plays for the Colts, or is released and available to any team that signs him. Those are pretty much the only two options unless Manning restructures his contract, but there is no reason for him to do that.PS: Orville Vernenbacher
 
'Tony Reali said:
There's no reason to deal for Manning. What would they have to give up? One or multiple first rounders? When Harbaugh specifically traded up on the second to get kaepernick? when manning might only be around a few more years, and not even at 100%?

nope
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Moving up to take Kaepernick would have nothing to do with their decision on Manning should it arise. That's like declining steak just because I have a bologna sandwich on my plate already.
 
'Couch Potato said:
'Chaka said:
I doubt Harbaugh would want him.
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I agree. Harbaugh has supreme confidence in coaching up QBs to play the way he wants them to play, within his system, and he's succeeded doing that with Josh Johnson, Luck, and now Smith. He handpicked Kaepernick and traded up in the 2nd round to get him, and Kaep is learning the Harbaugh way. If Smith regresses, Kaep will be the man and he will be successful in the Harbaugh system.I really don't think they will be looking to add a 36 year old QB whose health is uncertain and who has his own way of doing things. They are 10-2 doing it Harbaugh's way. I don't think they would see the need to shell out the draft picks and $$$ necessary to get a guy with a short shelf life and health concerns.Manning will end up in a place like Washington or Miami if he leaves. Someplace with an impatient 'big splash' owner who wants immediate star power gratification.
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Agreed.I see them signing Smith to a 2-ish year deal just to allow Kaep to develop on the bench/sideline.
 
'Donnybrook said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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The 49ers remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. All they need from Alex Smith is a Trent Dilfer like performance in the playoffs.
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Fair enough, but the Ravens didn't have to face two offenses the caliber of the Packers and Saints. The 49ers are going to have to put up points to beat those teams. I don't care how statistically good their defense is.
 
'Grahamburn said:
'Donnybrook said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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The 49ers remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. All they need from Alex Smith is a Trent Dilfer like performance in the playoffs.
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Fair enough, but the Ravens didn't have to face two offenses the caliber of the Packers and Saints. The 49ers are going to have to put up points to beat those teams. I don't care how statistically good their defense is.
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SF is the 10th best offense in the league this year. They're not the Saints/Packers but who is? They're averaging more than the Steelers, Bengals, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, Giants, Chargers...This offense clearly is not the strength of their team and it won't win any shootouts. But with their defense they're not trying to win any shootouts. Just like the Packers/Saints don't try to grind out low scoring wins. It's different styles. Which style will win out remains to be seen. Vegas would rightfully favor Green Bay. But Vegas favored the 16-0 Patriots as well. :shrug:

 
'Grahamburn said:
'Donnybrook said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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The 49ers remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. All they need from Alex Smith is a Trent Dilfer like performance in the playoffs.
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Fair enough, but the Ravens didn't have to face two offenses the caliber of the Packers and Saints. The 49ers are going to have to put up points to beat those teams. I don't care how statistically good their defense is.
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The Ravens beat the Broncos & the Raiders on the way to the Superbowl, the #2 & #3 scoring offenses in the NFL that year.
 
I'm not taking anything away from San Francisco. I'm rooting for them. You can only play the teams on your schedule, but they haven't really gone toe to toe with a legitimate contender all season other than Baltimore and Dallas, which are both of their losses.

SF's two best wins are @Philadelphia and @Detroit. Both of whom have fallen apart lately, and both of those teams were able to move the ball on the 49ers.

Their window won't be open for long. It never is in the NFL. If they have a chance to get a QB like Peyton Manning they should do it. I don't think anyone would argue Alex Smith gives them a better chance to win a championship.

 
'Buckna said:
'Grahamburn said:
'Donnybrook said:
'Grahamburn said:
Hard to imagine anyone willing to give up what it would take to get Peyton Manning considering the haul the Bengals got for Carson Palmer. What would it take?

I guess if the Colts were reasonable and really wanted to deal him the 49ers seem like a logical choice. Nobody really thinks the 49ers will be winning a championship with Alex Smith.
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The 49ers remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. All they need from Alex Smith is a Trent Dilfer like performance in the playoffs.
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Fair enough, but the Ravens didn't have to face two offenses the caliber of the Packers and Saints. The 49ers are going to have to put up points to beat those teams. I don't care how statistically good their defense is.
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The Ravens beat the Broncos & the Raiders on the way to the Superbowl, the #2 & #3 scoring offenses in the NFL that year.
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Were they as good as the Packers and Saints are? You guys are missing the point a little. I'm just trying to stay within the context of the thread. Is Peyton Manning going to give the 49ers a better/worse chance of winning a Super Bowl?

 
'Donsmith753 said:
'Chaka said:
'SWC said:
'Horses Mouth said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Warrior said:
"big Vern"? :no:
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How about Vernmeister?
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"Big V" is better
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i love making up nicknames so i vote for vernon the spicy fast vermin
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V.D.
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1. Beat you before you've even realised.2. Impossible to deal with.3. Keeps coming back and doing damage.Sounds like V.D. to me :thumbup:
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i dont know because as far as i know he does not make your pee hurt but i guess you guys might have more inside knowledge than me
 
'footballnerd said:
The one team I truly dislike is the Seahawks, I just can't stand them no matter who is on the team. They beat us consistently when we were on our last gasp with Bulger.
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:thumbup: I can't stand Carroll and the Seahawks eitherPlus it's been a long time since

Im shocked he didnt knock down the goal posts, he went after it. great shots!

 
'flranger said:
'Tony Reali said:
There's no reason to deal for Manning. What would they have to give up? One or multiple first rounders? When Harbaugh specifically traded up on the second to get kaepernick? when manning might only be around a few more years, and not even at 100%?nope
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As I understand Mannings contract, it requires 28 million option bonus before the start of the new league year. No way does Indy pay that unless they plan to keep him. You cannot trade any players before the start of the new league year.Manning either plays for the Colts, or is released and available to any team that signs him. Those are pretty much the only two options unless Manning restructures his contract, but there is no reason for him to do that.PS: Orville Vernenbacher
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Reworking his deal is another option.
 
'Donsmith753 said:
'Chaka said:
'SWC said:
'Horses Mouth said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Warrior said:
"big Vern"? :no:
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How about Vernmeister?
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"Big V" is better
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i love making up nicknames so i vote for vernon the spicy fast vermin
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V.D.
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1. Beat you before you've even realised.2. Impossible to deal with.3. Keeps coming back and doing damage.Sounds like V.D. to me :thumbup:
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In 2009, I got disconnected from our online live draft and re-joined.Me: "What did I miss?"My friend: "I got V.D."Me: :unsure:
 
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