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How would YOU repair the NFL playoffs? (1 Viewer)

Sarnoff

Sarnoff

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Let's be honest, the Steelers and the Packers have no business playing for the Championship this year.

What would you do to fix the playoff system? Additional byes? Re-seeding each round? Bonus points added to the score?

Probably a NCAA-like poll system would be good, too. Have sportswriters & journalists vote and seed that way? Computer models & simulations, like a super-intense Madden-style simulator, for another poll, then average the two together?

Whatcha got?

 
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I'd get rid of any reward for winning your division. You have to have one of the 6 best records in the conference to make the playoffs, period. Sorry, Seattle, you weren't good enough. Then seed solely on record.

In that scenario, however, Green Bay and Pittsburgh still make the Super Bowl. As they should. They've earned it.

 
The two teams with the best record (applying tiebreakers of course) play each other in the Super Bowl. This year would be Patriots vs Falcons.

If you want playoffs, have them. Seed the next 12 teams by record and have a tournament. For third place.

 
Sarnoff said:
Let's be honest, the Steelers and the Packers have no business playing for the Championship this year.

What would you do to fix the playoff system? Additional byes? Re-seeding each round? Bonus points added to the score?

Probably a NCAA-like poll system would be good, too. Have sportswriters & journalists vote and seed that way? Computer models & simulations, like a super-intense Madden-style simulator, for another poll, then average the two together?

Whatcha got?
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You missed the boat right there. The Steelers were among the league's best most of the year. The Packers struggled at points but also had more injuries than most. By year's end, they were playing better football than any other team in the NFC. While neither was an overwhelming favorite to make it...neither was a long-shot either.The playoff system is NOT broken. We could argue about changing the meaning of a division title (change the seeding rules to let wildcards seed higher if appropriate), but the basic constructs of the system are sound.

 
no divisions

play each team in your conference once plus 2-4 interconferenec games

top team in each conference plays for the SB

Best of three

 
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I would also be in favor an American Idol type of fan call in system to determine who advanced. That way noone would get hurt playing the games.

 
Sarnoff said:
Let's be honest, the Steelers and the Packers have no business playing for the Championship this year.
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:lmao: ??:bite:both are among the top 3 teams in the league. the pats are the only other team i'd put in their category, and they choked like dogs against a good D
 
Yeah...2 teams with the #1 and #2 scoring defenses in the NFL don't belong.

Both with solid young franchise QBs representing ridiculously huge fan bases.

One team that won its division, earned the first round bye, then took on its own division rival and then the Jets to earn their spot.

The other, a team that won its way into the postseason as a wild card then proceeded to go on the road to beat the #1, #2, and #3 seeds to earn their spot.

Just a Pats fan thinking they were the best and deserve to be there?

 
look man, the Patriots were overrated, had no deep threat, and had an average defense

get over it

 
First, I'd have 113 voting members for one poll, and the coaches vote in the 2nd.

Then I'd write a computer program to determine a 3rd "poll"

Only the teams from the AFC North, AFC South, NFC East and NFC South would have a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

 
Perhaps a system like NASCAR, which has it's championship first thing in the season? Could that work?

Or maybe a round-robin, last-team-undefeated system?

 
Lash said:
look man, the Patriots were overrated, had no deep threat, and had an average defenseget over it
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:goodposting:I'm not a pats fan. I'm coming at this as an impartial observer, looking to find the best possible way to crown the real champion of the season.
 
Let's be honest, Cinderella teams are the best stories in sports.

This is the definition of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

 
What a silly thread.

The Packers and Steelers don't deserve to be there? Says who? The Steelers went 12-4, with their only losses being to teams that won 11 games or more, and the Packers went through the top 3 NFC seeds on the road, so I'd say both teams are more than deserving. If you think other teams were more deserving, then be pissed at those teams for gagging it up in the playoffs when it counted (yes, I am looking at both of you, Falcons and Patriots).

 
The only thing I would change is giving division winners a home playoff game. They should make the playoffs, but giving a 7-9 team a home playoff game is overkill IMO.

 
CrossEyed said:
Sarnoff said:
Perhaps a system like NASCAR, which has it's championship first thing in the season? Could that work?
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So you don't understand the NFL or NASCAR. Notebook updated.
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This is true, but it brings up a good point. NASCAR rewards consistently above average driving. (It's basically better to finish like 10th in every race than it would be to finish 1st in 1/2 the races and last in 1/2 the races). With that in mind, you should penalize teams for blow-out losses and give them almost as much credit for a close loss as they would for a close win. If they win by a blowout, though, don't give them all that much credit as compared to those that won closely.By the way, the Packers probably would qualify based on this method :goodposting: -QG
 
QuizGuy66 said:
CrossEyed said:
Sarnoff said:
Perhaps a system like NASCAR, which has it's championship first thing in the season? Could that work?
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So you don't understand the NFL or NASCAR. Notebook updated.
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This is true, but it brings up a good point. NASCAR rewards consistently above average driving. (It's basically better to finish like 10th in every race than it would be to finish 1st in 1/2 the races and last in 1/2 the races). With that in mind, you should penalize teams for blow-out losses and give them almost as much credit for a close loss as they would for a close win. If they win by a blowout, though, don't give them all that much credit as compared to those that won closely.By the way, the Packers probably would qualify based on this method ;) -QG
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Or, they could make every team play against 42 other teams every week.
 
I say go with a BCS like system, but no championship game. If there is a championship game, there might be an upset, and we can't have that. With all the injuries, especially head injuries, we should probably get rid of human players too. Maybe go with computer/digital players and run them through a simulator. There does need to be a rule on how many computerized Chuck Norris' each team can have though.

 
If you want the best team to win the championship as often as possible then...

Play every team in your conference once and that is the entire regular season.

Best record in each conference play a best of three as mentioned for the championship.

There really is no other way to ensure the best teams play for the title as often as possible. Any other solution that doesn't involve balance schedules, only best team makes the playoff, and eliminate single eliminations really isn't any better than the current system.

That said, who really wants that. Everyone wants parity and that is what we have. There was very little difference in each conference between the #1 seed and the 2nd wild card team. I am not really a fan of forced parity through a hard salary cap so I would change a ton if I had the chance.

 
The current system doesn't need a lot of tweaking.

The only thing that should be changed is to award the homefield advantage to the teams that have the best record, regardless of which teams are Division Winners.

Many are advocating removing Division Winner as an auto-qualificaion for the postseason, but I don't agree with this. The 4 Division Winners + 2 Wildcard teams in each Conference is a good set up, it's just when the seeding process starts the the NFL has itself wound in knots.

 
Mookie said:
The only thing I would change is giving division winners a home playoff game. They should make the playoffs, but giving a 7-9 team a home playoff game is overkill IMO.
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So you're hypothesizing that the OP is a closet Saints fan? Interesting.Seriously, put away the fishing poles people. It's a long two weeks.
 
spodog said:
The current system doesn't need a lot of tweaking. The only thing that should be changed is to award the homefield advantage to the teams that have the best record, regardless of which teams are Division Winners. Many are advocating removing Division Winner as an auto-qualificaion for the postseason, but I don't agree with this. The 4 Division Winners + 2 Wildcard teams in each Conference is a good set up, it's just when the seeding process starts the the NFL has itself wound in knots.
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My initial question to having the team with a better record automatically getting a home game is this. Would your opinion be the same if TEAM A went 11-5 and won their division but played 10 playoff teams and went 8-2 while TEAM B came in second in their division by going 12-4 but going 0-4 losses against playoff teams?Sometimes a team's non division schedule can be very easy or incredibly hard. Would you have rather faced the NFC West or the NFC South this year? Couldn't that have played into whether a team got some easy wins while another got a couple tough luck losses?It will only get more difficult when they move to an 18-game schedule. If I were to guess, they might set the schedule up as follows:6 games in your division (like it is now)4 games against another division in your conference (like it is now)4 games against another division in the other conference (like it is now)The change would be eliminiating the two games against conference teams that finished in the same position as you (say third place vs. third place). Instead, I suspect that they will add in 4 games against another full division in your conference. So as an example, PIT might face the AFC North teams twice, the AFC East, the AFC South, and NFC East as their schedule. But the Jaguars might face the AFC South teams twice, the AFC North, the AFC West, and the NFC West. IMO, those two schedule would be pretty different in terms of difficulty, but JAX could have more wins than PIT in this scenario even if PIT won their division.
 
I suppose we should just plug the Patriots into the Super Bowl and let the other 11 teams fight it out to get to see who plays them for the Trophy.

:banned:

 
David Yudkin said:
spodog said:
The current system doesn't need a lot of tweaking. The only thing that should be changed is to award the homefield advantage to the teams that have the best record, regardless of which teams are Division Winners. Many are advocating removing Division Winner as an auto-qualificaion for the postseason, but I don't agree with this. The 4 Division Winners + 2 Wildcard teams in each Conference is a good set up, it's just when the seeding process starts the the NFL has itself wound in knots.
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My initial question to having the team with a better record automatically getting a home game is this. Would your opinion be the same if TEAM A went 11-5 and won their division but played 10 playoff teams and went 8-2 while TEAM B came in second in their division by going 12-4 but going 0-4 losses against playoff teams?Sometimes a team's non division schedule can be very easy or incredibly hard. Would you have rather faced the NFC West or the NFC South this year? Couldn't that have played into whether a team got some easy wins while another got a couple tough luck losses?It will only get more difficult when they move to an 18-game schedule. If I were to guess, they might set the schedule up as follows:6 games in your division (like it is now)4 games against another division in your conference (like it is now)4 games against another division in the other conference (like it is now)The change would be eliminiating the two games against conference teams that finished in the same position as you (say third place vs. third place). Instead, I suspect that they will add in 4 games against another full division in your conference. So as an example, PIT might face the AFC North teams twice, the AFC East, the AFC South, and NFC East as their schedule. But the Jaguars might face the AFC South teams twice, the AFC North, the AFC West, and the NFC West. IMO, those two schedule would be pretty different in terms of difficulty, but JAX could have more wins than PIT in this scenario even if PIT won their division.
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I would like to see all games in the conference if there are 18 games.
 
boubucarow said:
I would like to see all games in the conference if there are 18 games.
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So 15 in conference games and the other 3 games would be played against whom? Any divisions or one big scrum? How many teams make the playoffs? (Are there still 6 teams?) How do you set playoff tie breakers?
 
David Yudkin said:
boubucarow said:
I would like to see all games in the conference if there are 18 games.
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So 15 in conference games and the other 3 games would be played against whom? Any divisions or one big scrum? How many teams make the playoffs? (Are there still 6 teams?) How do you set playoff tie breakers?
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Not 15 games in conference, 18 games. 2 games versus your division opponents for 6 total games and then a game versus every other same conference opponent for 12 total games.As far as the playoffs, I wouldn't mind them keeping it the same except for giving the HF to the 4 best records.
 
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The big problem with the 18 game schedule is that it makes it even easier to win a division with a losing record. There are only 6 games in division while there are 12 out of division. You feel almost compelled to schedule 4 games with each division rival, leaving 6 for out of division.

 
Survivor NFL. All playoff teams are put on an island and seperated into tribes to compete in challenges. No food no shelter. Nothing. Just huge grown men on an island. Eventually linemen start eating kickers punters and long snappers. The team that eats the most of the weak win the most challenges and eventually win a trophy shaped like the naked gay dude from the first season.

 
boubucarow said:
David Yudkin said:
boubucarow said:
I would like to see all games in the conference if there are 18 games.
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So 15 in conference games and the other 3 games would be played against whom? Any divisions or one big scrum? How many teams make the playoffs? (Are there still 6 teams?) How do you set playoff tie breakers?
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Not 15 games in conference, 18 games. 2 games versus your division opponents for 6 total games and then a game versus every other same conference opponent for 12 total games.As far as the playoffs, I wouldn't mind them keeping it the same except for giving the HF to the 4 best records.
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While this idea makes the most sense for regular season, why change the playoff structure at all? I mean if you do 4 best records, than what exactly is the point of divisions?Sorry, the system works as it is. Leave it be.Still waiting for the OP to tell us why Pitt and Gb don't deserve to be there.... :thumbup:
 
Not changing anything because the system isn't broke. Not sure, who you think was head and shoulders above these two teams. This isn't Arizona getting hot, as the Packers and Steelers were well regraded throughout the year, overcame injuries and such and beat legitimate competition to get to the Superbowl.

BTW, any system that is a tournament by definition allows for the possibility that the "best" team won't win at the end of the day. I mean we could go to the BCS system where the perception of the "best" team overrides playing games on the field.

 
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Sarnoff said:
I'm coming at this as an impartial observer, looking to find the best possible way to crown the real champion of the season.
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Play 62 games, twice against every other team - once home and once away. Then at the end the team with the best record is the champ.
 
Four 8 team "super" divisions. No conferences. 17 game regular season. You play your divisional foes just once each year, alternating home/away every other season; Play each team in another division (rotates every 3 years) and the team in the other two divisions that is your equal seed from the prior season (as it is today).

The four "super" division winners get a bye - no cake walk small divisions!

8 wild cards from any division; Reseed each round.

No conference Champions but you could have any combination of teams in the SB.

Play every team in the league at least once every 3 years.

 
Every playoff matchup is played 10 times. That way, when someone says "Team A would beat Team B nine times out of 10" we'll know if they're telling the truth or not.

 
I believe the Packers and Steelers were the best teams.

If you want to fix the system, then go back to when the afc and nfc were divided into east,central and west divisions.

 
Sarnoff said:
Let's be honest, the Steelers and the Packers have no business playing for the Championship this year.

What would you do to fix the playoff system? Additional byes? Re-seeding each round? Bonus points added to the score?

Probably a NCAA-like poll system would be good, too. Have sportswriters & journalists vote and seed that way? Computer models & simulations, like a super-intense Madden-style simulator, for another poll, then average the two together?

Whatcha got?
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The Packers beat the top 3 seeds on the road. How dare they win the NFC. :yes:

Instead of 18 games I'd have more teams in the playoffs and whatever tea has the best record should have home field.

 
David Yudkin said:
spodog said:
The current system doesn't need a lot of tweaking. The only thing that should be changed is to award the homefield advantage to the teams that have the best record, regardless of which teams are Division Winners. Many are advocating removing Division Winner as an auto-qualificaion for the postseason, but I don't agree with this. The 4 Division Winners + 2 Wildcard teams in each Conference is a good set up, it's just when the seeding process starts the the NFL has itself wound in knots.
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My initial question to having the team with a better record automatically getting a home game is this. Would your opinion be the same if TEAM A went 11-5 and won their division but played 10 playoff teams and went 8-2 while TEAM B came in second in their division by going 12-4 but going 0-4 losses against playoff teams?Sometimes a team's non division schedule can be very easy or incredibly hard. Would you have rather faced the NFC West or the NFC South this year? Couldn't that have played into whether a team got some easy wins while another got a couple tough luck losses?It will only get more difficult when they move to an 18-game schedule. If I were to guess, they might set the schedule up as follows:6 games in your division (like it is now)4 games against another division in your conference (like it is now)4 games against another division in the other conference (like it is now)The change would be eliminiating the two games against conference teams that finished in the same position as you (say third place vs. third place). Instead, I suspect that they will add in 4 games against another full division in your conference. So as an example, PIT might face the AFC North teams twice, the AFC East, the AFC South, and NFC East as their schedule. But the Jaguars might face the AFC South teams twice, the AFC North, the AFC West, and the NFC West. IMO, those two schedule would be pretty different in terms of difficulty, but JAX could have more wins than PIT in this scenario even if PIT won their division.
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Or the extra two games could be against two teams from the other conferance that finished in the same spot in the standings. :goodposting:Lots of ways to add those two games, even if your suggestion seems the most likely.
 
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