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Huge amount of QB uncertainty in 2018 (1 Viewer)

gianmarco

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I don't remember a year where so many starting jobs are up in the air:

Miami -- ??

NYJ -- ??

Cleveland -- ??

Denver -- ??

Minn -- ??

Arizona -- ??

SF -- ??

Buffalo -- Tyrod is due $10M next year and is a FA in 2019.  He was already benched this year.  Does he remain the starter?

Cincy -- Andy Dalton has been pulled twice now.  Could a change be coming?

NYG -- Eli has to be gone, right?

Jax -- Do they keep Bortles?

Wash -- Will they pay Cousins or find someone new?

 
So, about two more than last season?
It's almost half the teams in the league. 

I didn't even mention teams like NO who have an unsigned Brees or the Ravens with an overpaid/underperforming Flacco or the Steelers with a QB that might retire or the Colts with a QB that may not be healthy.

 
It's almost half the teams in the league. 

I didn't even mention teams like NO who have an unsigned Brees or the Ravens with an overpaid/underperforming Flacco or the Steelers with a QB that might retire or the Colts with a QB that may not be healthy.
Right, but it’s 12 versus 10 a year ago, right? 

If we go back 365 you could list a lot of repeats:

BUF MIA NYJ

CLE

HOU

DEN

WAS

CHI

LAR

SF

(doesn’t include MIN who had to trade for Bradford after the horrific TB injury)

Yeah, there’s a lot of QB uncertainty, but I’m not sure I agree with the articles this week that claim it’s super unusual.

 
Any correlation between QB uncertainty and the 13 teams (13? That’s almost half the league!) who have never won a Super Bowl?

We hear this logic bandied about all the time. It’s used to justify LT contracts or crazy high Frachise tags. “Hey, gotta have stability at QB to have a chance.”

Eagles

Falcons

Cardinals

Bills

Panthers

Bengals

Browns

Lions

Texans

Jaguars

Vikings

Chargers

Titans

Seems like less than half of those teams have QB instability.

 
Technically sure, SF and Minny aren't certain. But they're both rather likely imo to start the same guys next year as they are this week. Same with the Giants, Bengals and jags. 

 
I don't remember a year where so many starting jobs are up in the air:

Miami -- ??  Tannehill gets another year, why wouldn't he?

NYJ -- ?? Yep, although they could use McCown as a bridge

Cleveland -- ?? yep

Denver -- ?? yep

Minn -- ?? No need to draft one, an open competition b/n Bridgewater and Keenan makes sense

Arizona -- ?? yep

SF -- ?? are you for real? living under a rock?

Buffalo -- Tyrod is due $10M next year and is a FA in 2019.  He was already benched this year.  Does he remain the starter? depends on what's available...maybe

Cincy -- Andy Dalton has been pulled twice now.  Could a change be coming? yep

NYG -- Eli has to be gone, right? yep

Jax -- Do they keep Bortles? ABSOLUTELY

Wash -- Will they pay Cousins or find someone new? not sure, but I think they pay him, otherwise he's the answer for one of those above.
In the end, there's more openings/uncertainty than is normal, but not as many as you put in this post

 
Could also throw in Indy with Luck.  He may require surgery to repair his biceps tendon :bag: ... 
There is a rumor that Luck will refuse to play for Irsay and the Colts again.  If Luck was cleared to return to play and wasnt going to play for the Colts then I could see quite a few teams express interest.

 
Could also throw in Indy with Luck.  He may require surgery to repair his biceps tendon :bag: ... 
True, but it seems Brissett is set there for now.

If luck wants out they might look for a rookie but if luck is in Indy injured, Brissett will start until luck is ready to return. While Jacoby hasn't been great by any stretch, he's far from the weakest link on that team. 

If luck does want out, but is able to return to play, I'd watch for the Jets to make a move. Although it would be fun if he went to the Broncos or Giants.

 
Minnesota has zero QBs signed for 18... you’d think that Case has done enough, but Coach was non commital on who going to start once Teddy got back.  They could absolutely try to resign both but it makes you wonder. 

 
I don't remember a year where so many starting jobs are up in the air:

Miami -- ?? 

Cutler's playing much better lately but think he's prob ready to retire.  QB in '18: Tannehill, chances 80%

NYJ -- ??

Will get QB in draft in '18 with McCown as placeholder, chances 90%

Cleveland -- ??

Will pick QB at #1 (i know they've passed before but no way they do it again), chances 99%

Denver -- ??

Could see going after free agent? Cousins, Eli, maybe Tyrod?

Minn -- ??

Most intriguing situation of all. Think they have to resign Case but maybe if he chokes in playoffs they won't.  Would Bridgewater come back as a backup? Don't see any other team signing him as a starter, but we'll see, chances of Case as starter 75%

Arizona -- ??

Tough to call on whether Palmer comes back, players hate to go out on an injury so maybe it's about 60/40 on a return

SF -- ??

Garappolo, chances 99%

Buffalo -- Tyrod is due $10M next year and is a FA in 2019.  He was already benched this year.  Does he remain the starter?

Tyrod is a goner, hard to say whether they go free agent or draft

Cincy -- Andy Dalton has been pulled twice now.  Could a change be coming?

Prob stick with Dalton and draft someone in 2nd or 3rd round

NYG -- Eli has to be gone, right?

3-4 weeks ago i would have had him going to Jax but think Bortles stays there now. Could see him coming back to Giants maybe 50/50 chance

Jax -- Do they keep Bortles?

I think now they have to keep him, his schedule's been soft but even so playing pretty well; playoffs will help them decide, chances of return 75%

Wash -- Will they pay Cousins or find someone new?

Seems like signs are pointing to Cousins leaving, chances of return 40%

 
As a Steelers Fan, if Ben retires my hope is we somehow bring in Brees. He doesn't have a ton of time left, but he could probably give 2 solid years and this team is built to win right now.

 
As a Steelers Fan, if Ben retires my hope is we somehow bring in Brees. He doesn't have a ton of time left, but he could probably give 2 solid years and this team is built to win right now.
It would be shocking if Brees left New Orleans. There's really no incentive for him to play for the Steelers over saints. Other than money of course but the saints won't let him leave.

 
Right, but it’s 12 versus 10 a year ago, right? 

If we go back 365 you could list a lot of repeats:

BUF MIA NYJ

CLE

HOU

DEN

WAS

CHI

LAR

SF

(doesn’t include MIN who had to trade for Bradford after the horrific TB injury)

Yeah, there’s a lot of QB uncertainty, but I’m not sure I agree with the articles this week that claim it’s super unusual.
Not sure I see all of these.  

A year ago Tannehill seemed to be pretty locked in as the Miami starter.  From the Wikipedia page after the 2016 season:

In 2016, after a 1–4 start, the Dolphins won six straight games, and finish the season on a 9–2 run and 10-6 overall. Tannehill played in 13 games, missing three due to injury. With their Week 15 win over the Jets, the Dolphins clinched a winning record and a playoff berth for the first time since 2008. Tannehill finished the season with a career-high 67.1 completion percentage, 2,995 yards, 19 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

A year ago, yeah Goff struggled as a rookie, but I do not remember any legitimate questions being raised that he would not be the Rams starter in 2017.

Tannehill and Goff were more locked in as the starters last December than all but probably Bortles on his list of 12.  The other 11 have QBs not under contract, or more than one legitimate option under contract.  (Assuming McCarron loses his case and is still an RFA for Cincy... and Cincy has the added murkiness of a pending head coaching change).

No, the sky is not falling and this is not historic... but a 37.5% increase in QB instability (increase from 8 to 11) is a significant trend.

As Gregg Easterbrook has repeatedly said, success in the NFL comes down to one thing... getting a franchise QB.  All the extra rules to protect the passer and the passing game reduce the GM's job to finding a single player.  I think ten years is enough to idenitify a pattern in the NFL.  The last ten Superbowls have been won by Brady (2), Ben, Peyton, Eli (2), Brees, Rodgers, Wilson & Flacco.  Flacco is the only anomaly on that list. 

 How do you define a Franchise QB?  I suggest that you look for at least three years out of a five year window where they finish in the top eight in QB fantasy production.

Excluding folks with less than 3 years in the NFL, off the top of my head, the only QBs I can think that would meet that definition other than the SB champs are Ryan (lost a SB), Newton (Lost a SB), Rivers, Stafford.& Luck.

So from 12 QBs that were consistent fantasy studs, we have 9 of 10 SB wins and if you add in Warner as a franchise QB, the same 9 of 10 of the losing teams were led by consistent fantasy studs.  Interestingly, the only anomalies happened in the same game... Flacco vs Kaepernick in 2013. 

So a GM appears to have a 75% chance of playing in a superbowl if he can get a fantasy stud at QB, and a 7/12 or 58% chance of winning one.  As this becomes more and more clear to the league, you are going to continue to see lots of QB instability. 

Editorial NOTE:  It is not required that your QB be a fantasy stud the year he wins/plays in the SB... its not the stats themselves that cause the win, but the "IT" factor that comes with success.  A supreme confidence that causes a team to relax and play their best.  I still remember the story that right before the winning TD pass when all the pressure was on in the SB, Joe Montana was in the huddle with the team and then paused from calling a play to stop and point and say "There, in the stands, standing near the exit ramp... Isn't that John Candy?"   

 
Brisco54 said:
Not sure I see all of these.  

A year ago Tannehill seemed to be pretty locked in as the Miami starter.  From the Wikipedia page after the 2016 season:

In 2016, after a 1–4 start, the Dolphins won six straight games, and finish the season on a 9–2 run and 10-6 overall. Tannehill played in 13 games, missing three due to injury. With their Week 15 win over the Jets, the Dolphins clinched a winning record and a playoff berth for the first time since 2008. Tannehill finished the season with a career-high 67.1 completion percentage, 2,995 yards, 19 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

A year ago, yeah Goff struggled as a rookie, but I do not remember any legitimate questions being raised that he would not be the Rams starter in 2017.

Tannehill and Goff were more locked in as the starters last December than all but probably Bortles on his list of 12.  The other 11 have QBs not under contract, or more than one legitimate option under contract.  (Assuming McCarron loses his case and is still an RFA for Cincy... and Cincy has the added murkiness of a pending head coaching change).

No, the sky is not falling and this is not historic... but a 37.5% increase in QB instability (increase from 8 to 11) is a significant trend.

As Gregg Easterbrook has repeatedly said, success in the NFL comes down to one thing... getting a franchise QB.  All the extra rules to protect the passer and the passing game reduce the GM's job to finding a single player.  I think ten years is enough to idenitify a pattern in the NFL.  The last ten Superbowls have been won by Brady (2), Ben, Peyton, Eli (2), Brees, Rodgers, Wilson & Flacco.  Flacco is the only anomaly on that list. 

 How do you define a Franchise QB?  I suggest that you look for at least three years out of a five year window where they finish in the top eight in QB fantasy production.

Excluding folks with less than 3 years in the NFL, off the top of my head, the only QBs I can think that would meet that definition other than the SB champs are Ryan (lost a SB), Newton (Lost a SB), Rivers, Stafford.& Luck.

So from 12 QBs that were consistent fantasy studs, we have 9 of 10 SB wins and if you add in Warner as a franchise QB, the same 9 of 10 of the losing teams were led by consistent fantasy studs.  Interestingly, the only anomalies happened in the same game... Flacco vs Kaepernick in 2013. 

So a GM appears to have a 75% chance of playing in a superbowl if he can get a fantasy stud at QB, and a 7/12 or 58% chance of winning one.  As this becomes more and more clear to the league, you are going to continue to see lots of QB instability. 

Editorial NOTE:  It is not required that your QB be a fantasy stud the year he wins/plays in the SB... its not the stats themselves that cause the win, but the "IT" factor that comes with success.  A supreme confidence that causes a team to relax and play their best.  I still remember the story that right before the winning TD pass when all the pressure was on in the SB, Joe Montana was in the huddle with the team and then paused from calling a play to stop and point and say "There, in the stands, standing near the exit ramp... Isn't that John Candy?"   
Are we calling one year a trend?

 
Not really seeing it on most of these.

I don't remember a year where so many starting jobs are up in the air:

Miami -- ?? Tannehill, all reports are that his rehab has been going well.

NYJ -- ?? McCown, probably draft a successor with their 1st.

Cleveland -- ?? 1st overall pick, not a question really. Especially after all the heat they've taken after passing on Wentz & Watson

Denver -- ?? certainly open, most likely signing a FA like Cousins IMO.

Minn -- ?? - 99.999% chance they resign 1~2 of their QB's.

Arizona -- ?? legit question here

SF -- ?? 100% Jimmy G

Buffalo -- legit question here, but most likely trading up for a QB as they have stockpiled draft picks. Trading into Clevelands second 1st they got from Houston makes the most sense and puts them ahead of Denver, NYJ, Ari & Wash who could all move up.

Cincy -- Andy Dalton has been pulled twice now.  Could a change be coming? Maybe, but I am not buying that they move on. Team has bigger issues than Andy, like letting their two best linemen walk last year.

NYG -- Eli has to be gone, right? No Trade Clause and huge cap hit to cut him. They may draft his successor but he is retiring a Giant, IMO.

Jax -- Do they keep Bortles? It will be a longterm mistake but he has been playing well the last few games and they already exercised his 5th year option.

Wash -- Will they pay Cousins or find someone new? Cousins is planning on leaving for the  :moneybag:  based on his play it safe style this year on the field, IMO. so legit question here.

 
Don't really see a ton of uncertainty in Miami, SF, Cincy. Can probably predict all 3 of those with 90% odds or better. 

 
Brisco54 said:
I still remember the story that right before the winning TD pass when all the pressure was on in the SB, Joe Montana was in the huddle with the team and then paused from calling a play to stop and point and say "There, in the stands, standing near the exit ramp... Isn't that John Candy?"
That is cool, I don't think I've ever head that....

 
I don't remember a year where so many starting jobs are up in the air:

Miami -- ??

NYJ -- ??

Cleveland -- ??

Denver -- ??

Minn -- ??

Arizona -- ??

Buffalo -- Tyrod is due $10M next year and is a FA in 2019.  He was already benched this year.  Does he remain the starter?

Cincy -- Andy Dalton has been pulled twice now.  Could a change be coming?

NYG -- Eli has to be gone, right?

Jax -- Do they keep Bortles?

Wash -- Will they pay Cousins or find someone new?




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I removed San Fran due to Jimmy G.

Bortles is 19 mil so he'll be released. Eli would be a free agent, if so. I think ideal is that he trains his replacement not that he leaves...either way Eli filling some team's spot. (He's not retiring. McAdoo won't decide) Cousins is either in Wash or filling another spot. Minny has two or three starters so let's give them one and Teddy and suppose the other walks. Tyrod may be a backup in 2018. We have so few quality backups in the NFL, but he may be one. Dalton or McCarron, they have a starter with the other a free agent. Denver probably has two backups and one out of the league. 

The way I see it, the starter spots could be filled by everyone here.

Mix in a handful of high draft picks and there's really no issue with starters.

I think there is a ginormous hole in the NFL; a huge lack of decent backup quarterbacks. I think we'll see a bunch drafted in rounds 4-7 and a bunch signed as UDFAs. The 4-7 guys will just be some late guy they fell in love with. I posted a thread here that got no love. I'd rrrreally like to know about the QBs that could go late. 

A list here, a bit out of date but decent to chat about https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/15/ranking-nfl-backup-quarterbacks

Maybe some GM loved Cardale Jones or McCarron(RFA) or Lynch and will trade for one of them. Really that list is pretty bleak. Teams have to start "making" QBs by developing 3rd stringers again.

If the Chiefs love Mahomes, the market is wow favorable for them to ask for a king's ransom for Alex Smith.

Colt McCoy had 2 or 3 games years ago that were nice. Griffin as a rookie. Schaub 100 years ago. Foles many years ago. There isn't even much production in the backup list.

Chase Daniel I love to watch every preseason. It drives me nuts that he can't get a starter's job. At some point, preseason success has to be worth "let's try him in the regular season" but it never really has.

 
Thanks for bringing up his name.  What's the likelihood that mccarron starts somewhere next year? He really hasn't shown anything yet but apparently Cleveland wanted him, just not enough to actually do their paperwork.

 
Thanks for bringing up his name.  What's the likelihood that mccarron starts somewhere next year? He really hasn't shown anything yet but apparently Cleveland wanted him, just not enough to actually do their paperwork.
I believe Hue will end up in Cincy as the  head coach FWIW

 
You may be right. But does he like mccarron or does he stick with Dalton?
Everything I have seen/read points to McCarron....Dalton's contract:

Year               salary             cap hit if Dalton released

2017              15.7M               18.1M

2018              16.3M                2.4M

2019              16.2M                0.00M

2020              17.7M                0.00M

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/15/16314930/andy-dalton-marvin-lewis-cincinnati-bengals-2018-rebuild-offense

 
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