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Hunting for Brandon Lloyd (1 Viewer)

Jeff Pasquino

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So an interesting question came up in my Trader Joes thread the other day, and I thought I'd come in to the Shark Pool and share a few thoughts I had. Take them for what they are worth - my opinion, based on what I know, see, read and hear about NFL players.

This time of year everyone is hunting for that next breakout guy. You know, that waiver wire wonder that will propel your team to greatness. Last year the wire was rich with Michael Vick, Peyton Hillis, Jacob Tamme and Brandon Lloyd - basically you could have pulled a waiver wire team by Week 4 and crushed your league - all with players who went undrafted. Unheard of, and dare I say unprecedented. That said, we still want to hunt for that next Brandon Lloyd, so I thought I'd help a little - hopefully.

Here's what I am looking for in a wide receiver who may surprise, in no particular order:

1. Situation - A team that is going to have a good offense, and preferably one that will throw quite a bit

2. Opportunity - he has to get on the field, and make the most of it when he is out there.

3. Situation (again) - Is there room in the offense for him to be the WR2, or even the WR1? If so, is the RB and/or TE going to get more targets than WR2 (or WR1)?

4. Situation (again) - The QB better not stink.

5. Talent - He has to have the ability to stand out and make coaches notice that he's doing the right thing, even when he's not the intended target.

6. Situation (again) - if the defense is bad and the ground game is bad, by default the passing game gains value. See Denver, 2010.

I'm hopeful that all 6 questions are positive marks for this player, but I'll take 3-4 and hope for the best. I might love a WR3 with upside on Green Bay vs. a WR2 on a lesser team for example.

So there were quite a few names that were thrown about in the question I received. I'll try and whittle down the list as I go, but here's quite a few of them.

Potential WRs (beyond say the Top 30-40 guys) that could be viewed with breakout potential:

Massaquoi - CLE sucks

Little - see above - love the talent here, but the lockout REALLY hurt him.

Simpson - CIN sucks

I'll stop here. See, even if you LOVE Simpson, do you really want the CIN WR2 this year? Do you think he'll really break out and be a fantasy stud this season? I could make a case for AJ Green, but not the WR2. I just don't see it. Again - Lloyd was the WR1 in Denver, the primary target. That's your goal.

Decker - I like Eric Decker, but the problem is that we're fighting over the WR2 again. Lloyd will be WR1, and they don't even want to throw as much this year.

David Nelson - WR2 at best on BUF. Again, same issue.

Baldwin - SEA sucks. Even if he was the WR1 (and won't be once Rice is back) - Two words - Tarvaris Jackson. Move on.

Roberts - splits time with Doucet, WR2. Wrecks both of their values, and Kolb is better than AZ QB 2010, but Fitz is Fitz and with Beanie looking good (and playing the NFC West) they may not throw 35+ times a week. Sorry, move on.

DHB - really? no. I don't buy it - and Jason Campbell? I like him, and he could be the 2011 Kyle Orton, but I don't buy DHB as your guy. Right kind of situation (aside from no running game), but maybe not the right person.

Den. Moore - could be your guy - but OAK is still iffy.

Shorts - JAX sucks

Jabar Gaffney - shoulda had 2 TDs, missed a bomb on a bad Rex throw

Ant Brown - doesn't know how to remember a route tree

Sanders - could be your guy

Cobb - sleeper

Ford - top choice

I have to assume Jacoby Ford is taken, but I'm seeing a ton of drops of him due to being out this week in some Yahoo leagues and elsewhere. I guess if you have a short bench and injury woes I get it, but that's a bit quick to yank the rip cord on him.

My short list:

Randall Cobb - Here's the tough one. I certainly have Jordy Nelson above him (if he's available, go for it and don't look back). After Greg Jennings and Finley, the door's open for targets - and there will be plenty in Green Bay. Nelson looks like target #3 and Driver should be 4th - for now. Cobb is the heir apparent there and it is possible that he sees more opportunities soon. Driver knows the end is nearing, so he may be relegated even further down. The question is - is the fourth target in GB comparable to target 1 or 2 on another team? That's the key question. I think I'd prefer to look elsewhere.

Denarius Moore - could start this week, but OAK isn't so hot and they want to run. They have RUN DMC who can get it done. I like his shot this week, but Campbell may not throw much.

Eric Decker - Denver also wants to run and their defense is also poor, but to run you need RBs. They don't have really good ones (and McGahee > Moreno), so I think Decker is your 2nd option - although he's WR2 for Den at best.

That leaves me with the guy I'm still holding out on - and why I decided to write this tonight. Tomorrow might be too late. I think that Emmanuel Sanders is the guy. I favor better offenses when I'm on the fence. I'm still beating the Sanders drum. PITT has good offense and QB, great schedule, and their defense isn't all it once was. That sounds like 31-24 games. As for the pecking order, the offensive line is rough and that means Heath Miller can't go out for passes often. Mike Wallace is option 1, and WR2 for now is a very old Hines Ward. Antonio Brown was supposed to be the guy now, and last week he was - except he can't figure out which way to turn half the time when he runs the routes. Sanders even scored last week despite being WR4, and he's getting healthier every day.

I think Pittsburgh puts a beatdown on Seattle in their home opener, and Sanders could emerge from that with a Week 2 stat line of seven targets, 5-75 and a touchdown. At the very least I'm watching to see if he's passed Brown now for snaps and WR3 status. Last year he was pushing Ward for playing time and targets, making him a dark horse for this year. Only a preseason injury slowed him down.

So now you know my criteria, and you have a short list. Feel free to applaud or throw cyber-tomatoes on Monday.

1. Jacoby Ford (if you have room and he's there)

2. Emmanuel Sanders - likely #1 for most

3. D. Moore OAK

4. Eric Decker

Only one of those names (Sanders) is in a Top 10 offense with a Top 10 QB - so that's where I really lean.

Good luck.

Please feel free to comment on my conclusions and also throw out WRs who you think might fit the bill of the 5 things above.

 
I'm hearing Buffalo wants to throw alot this season...is this not the case? Then David Nelson is the choice...no? Plus Fitzpatrick is an extremely smart QB...one who should have no problems spreading that ball around.

Plus you take several of your names off the list, like Shorts, Decker, Nelson and Moore because they are the WR2 on their team, yet Sanders is your pick and he IS the WR2 on the Steelers...what gives???

 
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I'm hearing Buffalo wants to throw alot this season...is this not the case? Then David Nelson is the choice...no? Plus Fitzpatrick is an extremely smart QB...one who should have no problems spreading that ball around. Plus you take several of your names off the list, like Shorts, Decker, Nelson and Moore because they are the WR2 on their team, yet Sanders is your pick and he IS the WR2 on the Steelers...what gives???
Just looking at the criteria I outlined, do you think that BUF is a Top 10 offense or Fitzpatrick is a Top 10 QB? I could see that case being made - as well as BUF having to throw a ton - but historically they haven't had a solid WR2 there (only last year with Evans / Johnson) and even then the RB (FJax) had a ton of targets.Solid point though - if you believe that David Nelson will be the WR2 and that he'll be the 2nd option in the passing game, I agree with your logic. Just keep in mind that BUF has to play the Jets and Pats four times - so schedule will be an issue.As for taking a WR2 off of the list - I would much rather have a WR2 on a very good passing team / offense vs. a WR2 on a mediocre or poor offense. Lloyd was on a bad team but he had a decent QB and was WR1 by far. Ideally that's what you want. E Sanders has WR2 potential (which would be Target 2) for a team with a Top 10 offense, QB and schedule. That's why. Not all WR2 are alike (and read about Cobb again - even a WR3 could be better than a WR2).
 
Great article, Jeff. So how about Jabar Gaffney? I think he meets most of your criteria.
He's an interesting one, but Santana Moss is WR1 and TE1 is Fred Davis. Then comes WR2 rotation - Gaffney or Armstrong. Armstrong is the deep threat, while Gaffney has breakout potential on the right route. He barely missed a huge TD last week, but Armstrong still had 6 targets - and don't forget Hightower's in the mix, too. Philly will be bad matchups twice this year, but DAL and NYG should be favorable. Also I don't have Sexy Rexy as a Top 10 QB, nor will they abandon the run.So I like Gaffney, but his ceiling is lower than what Sanders could do if he reaches max potential. To say it another way, no way Gaffney attains Brandon Lloyd levels (duh), but I also don't see 75-1000-8 for him either. He's a solid WR4 type that can fill a lineup, but I wouldn't want to need a big game on Monday night and have Gaffney be that guy to hope for. Even Armstrong could have a 100-yard game as a higher likelihood than Gaffney most weeks due to his deep threat potential.
 
Great article, Jeff. So how about Jabar Gaffney? I think he meets most of your criteria.
He's an interesting one, but Santana Moss is WR1 and TE1 is Fred Davis. Then comes WR2 rotation - Gaffney or Armstrong. Armstrong is the deep threat, while Gaffney has breakout potential on the right route. He barely missed a huge TD last week, but Armstrong still had 6 targets - and don't forget Hightower's in the mix, too. Philly will be bad matchups twice this year, but DAL and NYG should be favorable. Also I don't have Sexy Rexy as a Top 10 QB, nor will they abandon the run.So I like Gaffney, but his ceiling is lower than what Sanders could do if he reaches max potential. To say it another way, no way Gaffney attains Brandon Lloyd levels (duh), but I also don't see 75-1000-8 for him either. He's a solid WR4 type that can fill a lineup, but I wouldn't want to need a big game on Monday night and have Gaffney be that guy to hope for. Even Armstrong could have a 100-yard game as a higher likelihood than Gaffney most weeks due to his deep threat potential.
Interesting statement you make...are you 100% sure that Fred Davis is the TE1 in Washington? It's only been one game, and rule #1 in FF is to not overreact and make assumptions after week 1. Cooley is coming back from a knee injury and could just be being eased back into the TE1 role... I'd like to hear your feedback on this.
 
I know week 1 didnt show anything but Mike Sims-Walker could be sneaky. I mean Amendola is hurt, MSW is a starter, and somebody has to catch the ball in St. Louis.

 
It's funny that you mention the same guys that are on my short list. I drafted Moore and think he's primed for fantasy relevance. I'd love it if Ford was dropped, and am waiting on that. Manny was recently dropped. I have to wait for next weeks BB waivers, and I will bid heavily to get Manny. I think Manny is much better than Brown this year. And I just picked up Decker.

I like Decker because the Broncos are going to air it out a lot this year, Lloyd is already dinged up. I don't feel that Royal is going to stand in Decker's way. I like the potential #2 WR in a pass happy offense, knowing that the Broncos can't run the ball.

I had the extra roster spot open as Derrick Ward has already been ruled out, and his value is zero. It was between him and D. Nelson. But Nelson's role/targets are not clear cut as the defined #2 WR in Buffalo.

I am playing a hunch, but my eyeball test tells me that Decker is going to surpass Royal going forward.

Love your short list, Pasquino. Guys I already have or am targeting. :thumbup:

 
Nice article and thanks. I feel Jacoby Jones fits the bill. A good offense, a good QB and he can seize on the opportunity of being the clear cut #2 with Kevin Walter out for awhile. I know he has been a sleeper for the last 4 years, but something tells me he might finally be putting it together. Kubiak loves him for what that is worth.

 
Interesting post - thanks. What about Johnny Knox?
Do you not recall that Lloyd came out of NOWHERE last season?? Definetely not the case with Knox.
Why is everyone looking for someone to come from NOWHERE just because Lloyd did last year? We're just looking for a guy on your waiver wire that will score in the top 10-15. Stop making it so impossible.
Uh...did you read the title of this thread?? :rolleyes:
 
I'll stop here. See, even if you LOVE Simpson, do you really want the CIN WR2 this year? Do you think he'll really break out and be a fantasy stud this season? I could make a case for AJ Green, but not the WR2. I just don't see it. Again - Lloyd was the WR1 in Denver, the primary target. That's your goal.
Do we know Simpson is not the primary target? Didn't he have almost twice the looks than Green?
 
Gibson is still competing to be the no.1 on that team. Also Amendola being out might give him more looks from Bradford. Speaking of Bradford, he threw for 3500 yards in his rookie year and was the top of his draft class. Everyone seems to think he'll be a legit QB (me included) so Gibson passes the qb test. SJax is likely out for weekk 2 and who knows how long his injury will linger, or if his workload history is catching up with him. So Gibson passes the running game criteria aswell.

Not sure about him passing the talent test but he's shown a willingness to work hard for the no.1 job in camp and the coaches have taken notice. the defense isn't entirely bad either and they seem to be improving but are a long way from being the next PIT D.

The ONLY thing against him right now is MSW potentially stealing his thunder. I say why not roster both if you can?

 
Interesting post - thanks. What about Johnny Knox?
Do you not recall that Lloyd came out of NOWHERE last season?? Definetely not the case with Knox.
Why is everyone looking for someone to come from NOWHERE just because Lloyd did last year? We're just looking for a guy on your waiver wire that will score in the top 10-15. Stop making it so impossible.
Uh...did you read the title of this thread?? :rolleyes:
I did, and I still don't see where it says the guy has to come out of nowhere. The goal is to find the next WW gem at WR. Who cares where they came from and what they've done.
 
I have targeted and benched Antonio Brown in my main league (with return yards) for basically the same reason you've stated above for Mandy Sanders.

I just heard a lot of really good things about Antonio in camp and then he came out and proved it in pre-season.

He's not a polished receiver but he's got jets and him and Ben seem to mesh at times.

Manny Sanders is no push-over and I may roster him as well but for now I am laying my chips down on Brown simply because of his red hot pre-season, his potential ceiling in a return league and the fact he had 9 targets last week.

 
Brandon Gibson.

Amendola is probably out for a while, MSW usually gets dinged up, and Gibson is already starting.

 
I would say fellow former Illini WR, Arrelious Benn.

Wouldn't be surprised if he were Tampa's #1 PPR WR in the 2nd half. I'm bearish on Tampa overall as a team this year -- reality check is gonna strike them upside the head -- but w/o question Freeman can air it out (and is competent enough to get a bunch of garbage FF stats this year)

 
I have targeted and benched Antonio Brown in my main league (with return yards) for basically the same reason you've stated above for Mandy Sanders.I just heard a lot of really good things about Antonio in camp and then he came out and proved it in pre-season.He's not a polished receiver but he's got jets and him and Ben seem to mesh at times.Manny Sanders is no push-over and I may roster him as well but for now I am laying my chips down on Brown simply because of his red hot pre-season, his potential ceiling in a return league and the fact he had 9 targets last week.
Get Sanders now. Preseason counts for squat. Sanders is an elite route runner, has good hands, and ran a 4.41 coming out. Brown isn't close to Sanders in talent, he ran a 4.57, and doesn't have a clue in route running in comparison.
 
Love this post and this dialogue....this is how you win....the douchebags that are playing playstation right now will not win....just about EVER...

Lots of good stuff here...Emanuel Sanders seems like a nice upside guy, but its not like there is a Brandon Lloyd every year...

Good Luck this weekend all...

 
Another great example of the type of WR we are talking about is Miles Austin in 2009. Came out of nowhere, but was on a great offense and was able to get a ton of targets.

I like the Sanders pick too. Pittsburgh will throw and Wallace can't get them all. Someone is going to get the receptions.

 
So now you know my criteria, and you have a short list. Feel free to applaud or throw cyber-tomatoes on Monday.1. Jacoby Ford (if you have room and he's there)2. Emmanuel Sanders - likely #1 for most3. D. Moore OAK4. Eric DeckerOnly one of those names (Sanders) is in a Top 10 offense with a Top 10 QB - so that's where I really lean.
You mean like Kyle Orton in Denver last year? Denver was actually the #21 offense last year. If you're hunting for Brandon Lloyd, you're probably looking for someone who will emerge as the clear #1 target on his team. The offense doesn't need to be top 10 and neither does the QB. I think St. Louis and Oakland are the two places where an unexpected WR1 could emerge as a top-10 option. Denver going into last year had an unsettled WR situation just like those places, and both of them have QBs who are at least as good as Kyle Orton. I don't like Sanders or Decker as Lloyd-type options; they only can become Lloyd-type players if the lead WR in their situation goes down.
 
Lloyd is just one guy - let's look back a few more years at who the waiver wire studs have been (top 15 non-ppr).

2010 - Brandon Lloyd DEN WR1

2010 - Steve Johnson BUF WR10

2009 - Miles Austin DAL WR3

2009 - Sidney Rice MIN WR7

2009 - Steve Smith NYG WR11

2008 - Antonio Bryant TB WR8

2008 - Lance Moore NO WR12

2007 - Wes Welker NE WR11

2007 - Roddy White ATL WR14

2006 - Marques Colston NO WR14

That's 10 guys in the last 5 years. Did I miss anyone?

I count 5 on a great offense with a great QB that year (Austin, Rice, Moore, Welker, Colston); the others had teams led primarily by Orton, Fitzpatrick, Eli Manning, Garcia, and Harrington. 7 emerged as something like their team's WR1 (Lloyd, Johnson, Austin, Rice, Bryant, White, Colston), while 3 were more like a slot receiver (Smith, Moore, Welker). 1 rookie (Colston), 2 veterans (Lloyd & Bryant), and 7 young guys in year 2-4. 3 guys new to their team (Bryant, Welker, Colston), 3 with a new starting QB for their team (Johnson, Rice, White), and only 4 guys with the same team & QB as the previous year (Lloyd, Austin, Smith, Moore).

 
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Could this year's Lloyd be a TE as more and more times have a joker type mismatch? Folks are throwing out WR's who may be viable ... but NOT likely a WR1. I do like the Sanders/Ford call though.

 
Great article, Jeff. So how about Jabar Gaffney? I think he meets most of your criteria.
He's an interesting one, but Santana Moss is WR1 and TE1 is Fred Davis. Then comes WR2 rotation - Gaffney or Armstrong. Armstrong is the deep threat, while Gaffney has breakout potential on the right route. He barely missed a huge TD last week, but Armstrong still had 6 targets - and don't forget Hightower's in the mix, too. Philly will be bad matchups twice this year, but DAL and NYG should be favorable. Also I don't have Sexy Rexy as a Top 10 QB, nor will they abandon the run.So I like Gaffney, but his ceiling is lower than what Sanders could do if he reaches max potential. To say it another way, no way Gaffney attains Brandon Lloyd levels (duh), but I also don't see 75-1000-8 for him either. He's a solid WR4 type that can fill a lineup, but I wouldn't want to need a big game on Monday night and have Gaffney be that guy to hope for. Even Armstrong could have a 100-yard game as a higher likelihood than Gaffney most weeks due to his deep threat potential.
Interesting statement you make...are you 100% sure that Fred Davis is the TE1 in Washington? It's only been one game, and rule #1 in FF is to not overreact and make assumptions after week 1. Cooley is coming back from a knee injury and could just be being eased back into the TE1 role... I'd like to hear your feedback on this.
All pre-season he was the man. He's getting more targets. The coaches are even saying he needs more snaps and targets. He's the top TE.
 
Nice article and thanks. I feel Jacoby Jones fits the bill. A good offense, a good QB and he can seize on the opportunity of being the clear cut #2 with Kevin Walter out for awhile. I know he has been a sleeper for the last 4 years, but something tells me he might finally be putting it together. Kubiak loves him for what that is worth.
Good name - Jacoby Jones. I just picked him up in one spot too.Concerns there:WR2 might be target 3 behind TE ODanielsHOU wants to run moreDefense better = less passing
 
I'll stop here. See, even if you LOVE Simpson, do you really want the CIN WR2 this year? Do you think he'll really break out and be a fantasy stud this season? I could make a case for AJ Green, but not the WR2. I just don't see it. Again - Lloyd was the WR1 in Denver, the primary target. That's your goal.
Do we know Simpson is not the primary target? Didn't he have almost twice the looks than Green?
Only because Joe Haden (the Nnamdi of Cleveland - and he is pretty darn good) blanketed AJ Green in Week 1.
 
Gibson is still competing to be the no.1 on that team. Also Amendola being out might give him more looks from Bradford. Speaking of Bradford, he threw for 3500 yards in his rookie year and was the top of his draft class. Everyone seems to think he'll be a legit QB (me included) so Gibson passes the qb test. SJax is likely out for weekk 2 and who knows how long his injury will linger, or if his workload history is catching up with him. So Gibson passes the running game criteria aswell. Not sure about him passing the talent test but he's shown a willingness to work hard for the no.1 job in camp and the coaches have taken notice. the defense isn't entirely bad either and they seem to be improving but are a long way from being the next PIT D.The ONLY thing against him right now is MSW potentially stealing his thunder. I say why not roster both if you can?
More power to you if you can name the winner of the MSW/Gibson/Salas/Kendricks derby
 
some other names to throw out there I didn't notice mentioned include Bernard Berrian (MIN), Bryant Johnson (HOU) and Nate Washington (TEN)
Berrian - no. McNabb threw for under 50 yards and it was a trainwreck.Bryant Johnson - Really? He couldn't even hold the WR2 spot in DET. Now you expect him to top Jacoby Jones? Not me.Nate Wash - D. Williams is better, but so is TE Jared Cook, the real 2nd target in TEN.
 
I would say fellow former Illini WR, Arrelious Benn.Wouldn't be surprised if he were Tampa's #1 PPR WR in the 2nd half. I'm bearish on Tampa overall as a team this year -- reality check is gonna strike them upside the head -- but w/o question Freeman can air it out (and is competent enough to get a bunch of garbage FF stats this year)
Not a bad option, but he's the 3rd target behind Mike W and KW2 - and I am really leaning towards the "fluke year" argument for Freeman. The schedule is also very rough for TB.
 
some other names to throw out there I didn't notice mentioned include Bernard Berrian (MIN), Bryant Johnson (HOU) and Nate Washington (TEN)
Berrian - no. McNabb threw for under 50 yards and it was a trainwreck.Bryant Johnson - Really? He couldn't even hold the WR2 spot in DET. Now you expect him to top Jacoby Jones? Not me.Nate Wash - D. Williams is better, but so is TE Jared Cook, the real 2nd target in TEN.
You're asking for a receiver who will seemingly come from nowhere, thus we can't entirely base forward projections on past performance.
 
some other names to throw out there I didn't notice mentioned include Bernard Berrian (MIN), Bryant Johnson (HOU) and Nate Washington (TEN)
Berrian - no. McNabb threw for under 50 yards and it was a trainwreck.Bryant Johnson - Really? He couldn't even hold the WR2 spot in DET. Now you expect him to top Jacoby Jones? Not me.Nate Wash - D. Williams is better, but so is TE Jared Cook, the real 2nd target in TEN.
You're asking for a receiver who will seemingly come from nowhere, thus we can't entirely base forward projections on past performance.
I assume you mean BJohnson with that comment. Sorry, not buying into him. Also don't buy into Hasselbeck and his O-line is awful. Hasselbeck played poorly last week and his fantasy day was saved by Britt.
 
Not sure there will be a Brandon Lloyd this year. I think the WR darkhorses are going to come from the WR4/5 ranks.

My picks are all from the NFC North:

Jordy Nelson

Nate Burleson

Johnny Knox

IMO Jordy has a realistic chance at a high WR2 this year. Plenty of mouths to feed in the Packer offense will keep him from WR1 status, but I think he's separated himself from Driver/Jones and Cobb will need a year to learn the offense.

Burleson could have a career year. Every defense will gameplan to stop Megatron, and Burleson will benefit in a big way. Pettigrew will have a good year too, but 1100/7 wouldn't surprise me in the least. His health and Staffords' are the key of course.

Knox is in the 2nd year of the Martz offense, and Cutler is really lacking in quality options outside of Forte. Once Knox proves that he's not going to cause Cutler to throw additional INTs, he'll be gold.

 
Not sure there will be a Brandon Lloyd this year. I think the WR darkhorses are going to come from the WR4/5 ranks.My picks are all from the NFC North:Jordy NelsonNate BurlesonJohnny KnoxIMO Jordy has a realistic chance at a high WR2 this year. Plenty of mouths to feed in the Packer offense will keep him from WR1 status, but I think he's separated himself from Driver/Jones and Cobb will need a year to learn the offense. Burleson could have a career year. Every defense will gameplan to stop Megatron, and Burleson will benefit in a big way. Pettigrew will have a good year too, but 1100/7 wouldn't surprise me in the least. His health and Staffords' are the key of course.Knox is in the 2nd year of the Martz offense, and Cutler is really lacking in quality options outside of Forte. Once Knox proves that he's not going to cause Cutler to throw additional INTs, he'll be gold.
Didn't mention Burleson as I have him already in my Top 40 I think. I agree he could have a career year.
 
So now you know my criteria, and you have a short list. Feel free to applaud or throw cyber-tomatoes on Monday.1. Jacoby Ford (if you have room and he's there)2. Emmanuel Sanders - likely #1 for most3. D. Moore OAK4. Eric DeckerOnly one of those names (Sanders) is in a Top 10 offense with a Top 10 QB - so that's where I really lean.
You mean like Kyle Orton in Denver last year? Denver was actually the #21 offense last year. If you're hunting for Brandon Lloyd, you're probably looking for someone who will emerge as the clear #1 target on his team. The offense doesn't need to be top 10 and neither does the QB. I think St. Louis and Oakland are the two places where an unexpected WR1 could emerge as a top-10 option. Denver going into last year had an unsettled WR situation just like those places, and both of them have QBs who are at least as good as Kyle Orton. I don't like Sanders or Decker as Lloyd-type options; they only can become Lloyd-type players if the lead WR in their situation goes down.
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Gibson is still competing to be the no.1 on that team. Also Amendola being out might give him more looks from Bradford. Speaking of Bradford, he threw for 3500 yards in his rookie year and was the top of his draft class. Everyone seems to think he'll be a legit QB (me included) so Gibson passes the qb test. SJax is likely out for weekk 2 and who knows how long his injury will linger, or if his workload history is catching up with him. So Gibson passes the running game criteria aswell. Not sure about him passing the talent test but he's shown a willingness to work hard for the no.1 job in camp and the coaches have taken notice. the defense isn't entirely bad either and they seem to be improving but are a long way from being the next PIT D.The ONLY thing against him right now is MSW potentially stealing his thunder. I say why not roster both if you can?
More power to you if you can name the winner of the MSW/Gibson/Salas/Kendricks derby
The reason Lloyd presented such value is nobody could name him as the winner of the D. Thomas/Decker/Royal/Gaffney/Lloyd derby. Personally I've been buying Salas shares since the draft. I could be wrong but it's been fairly cheap and I think he takes Amendola's spot and targets.
 
Great article, Jeff. So how about Jabar Gaffney? I think he meets most of your criteria.
He's an interesting one, but Santana Moss is WR1 and TE1 is Fred Davis. Then comes WR2 rotation - Gaffney or Armstrong. Armstrong is the deep threat, while Gaffney has breakout potential on the right route. He barely missed a huge TD last week, but Armstrong still had 6 targets - and don't forget Hightower's in the mix, too. Philly will be bad matchups twice this year, but DAL and NYG should be favorable. Also I don't have Sexy Rexy as a Top 10 QB, nor will they abandon the run.So I like Gaffney, but his ceiling is lower than what Sanders could do if he reaches max potential. To say it another way, no way Gaffney attains Brandon Lloyd levels (duh), but I also don't see 75-1000-8 for him either. He's a solid WR4 type that can fill a lineup, but I wouldn't want to need a big game on Monday night and have Gaffney be that guy to hope for. Even Armstrong could have a 100-yard game as a higher likelihood than Gaffney most weeks due to his deep threat potential.
Interesting statement you make...are you 100% sure that Fred Davis is the TE1 in Washington? It's only been one game, and rule #1 in FF is to not overreact and make assumptions after week 1. Cooley is coming back from a knee injury and could just be being eased back into the TE1 role... I'd like to hear your feedback on this.
Cooley has lost his speed, and is still hurt. Davis is a big, fast target which adds way more juice to that offense. The transition has occurred to Davis - don't be left in the fumes.
 
Great thread. Lloyd had his breakout game week 3 of last year so these next two games should provide a nice sample size on the players mentioned.

We should start another thread Hunting for 2011's Peyton Hillis.

 
some other names to throw out there I didn't notice mentioned include Bernard Berrian (MIN), Bryant Johnson (HOU) and Nate Washington (TEN)
This one is easy.Berrian - DONE. I couldn't believe the number of people drafting this guy in Vegas last weekend. Did people not watch the games last year?Bryant Johnson - DONE.Nate Washington - he's ok, but no way he can be the #1 on that team with Britt, who does have the talent to be the #1 overall WR in the NFL some day.
 
Hey Jeff, I just wanted to say thank you very much for this terrific post, it provides some expert clarity for an issue I have been struggling with in more than one league.

Question about Ford. He actually did get dropped in one of my leagues so I think I will jump on that when possible: The Campbell passing game looked so poor in that Denver game, the running game seems so dominant, and Ford has some kind of hamstring injury that seems to have no information behind it, plus at some point Murphy comes back, so how long do you wait for this to pan out?

Also about Sanders vs Antonio Brown - and I am adding Sanders wherever possible based on the great posts here - how is it that Brown ended up with 9 targets (Wallace 11, Ward 9, Miller 5) and Sanders only 3? Obviously Sanders did more with his but looking at that it seems like Brown is more in the top 3 mix?

Also, it's interesting to go back and look at the week by week progression for Denver last year: wk 1 started out with Lloyd having the big game but Royal also doing well and Gaffney also doing very well. Wk 2 it was Thomas and Lloyd fell back. Wk 3 Gaffney exploded but then so did Lloyd. It was wk 4 and after that Lloyd really took over. The point being that folks who knew and understood the real talents and roles at stake made the right call. So insight like you're giving is pretty important.

Thanks again.

 
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Not sure there will be a Brandon Lloyd this year. I think the WR darkhorses are going to come from the WR4/5 ranks.My picks are all from the NFC North:Jordy NelsonNate BurlesonJohnny KnoxIMO Jordy has a realistic chance at a high WR2 this year. Plenty of mouths to feed in the Packer offense will keep him from WR1 status, but I think he's separated himself from Driver/Jones and Cobb will need a year to learn the offense. Burleson could have a career year. Every defense will gameplan to stop Megatron, and Burleson will benefit in a big way. Pettigrew will have a good year too, but 1100/7 wouldn't surprise me in the least. His health and Staffords' are the key of course.Knox is in the 2nd year of the Martz offense, and Cutler is really lacking in quality options outside of Forte. Once Knox proves that he's not going to cause Cutler to throw additional INTs, he'll be gold.
Didn't mention Burleson as I have him already in my Top 40 I think. I agree he could have a career year.
FWIW Burlesons' ADP is WR48. Nelson is WR46 and Knox is WR39.Just seems to me they all have the QB to get it done and relatively good opportunity as well.
 
A few things I disagree with.

4. Situation (again) - The QB better not stink.
Orton isn't exactly a tremendous QB, Braylon had a huge year with DA who stinks then had a solid year with Sanchez whose regular season production stinks. Matt Ryan threw for only 3,400 and 16 his rookie season and yet White put up 1400/7, goinginto last year Fitzpatrick was considered a stinker and Steve Johnson was a beast. In fact just going on top 20 non ppr results guys who didn't exactly have good QB situations we have2010- Santana Moss, Percy Harvin, T.O., Larry Fitzgerald2009- Steve Smith, Brandon Marshall2008- Steve Smith, Bernard Berrian2007- Braylon Edwards, Plaxico BurressOne of the hallmarks of a bad QB is locking onto one WR and forcing the ball. While bad for his team it can be very good for a WRs fantasy production. Eliminating guys on this criteria you definitely would have missed Braylon in 2007 and possibly Plax depending on how you thought Eli would progress and def missed Berrian in 2008. With this in mind I would rethink-Mo Mass. As far as a Lloyd type year? No, but a Berrian like 950/7 could well be in the cards. He had 7 targets despite missing all of preseason and only really practicing 1 week before the opener. Cle Right side of the Oline looked pretty atrocious and if they can't run it effectively they will have to throw.
David Nelson - WR2 at best on BUF. Again, same issue.
Fitzpatrick's prorated #s for 2010- 3,700/28. Those #s are plenty strong enough to support 2 WRs (28 passing TDs would represent Roeth's 2nd best season as a pro and you are willing to take a guy who is currently battling for #3 on that team) especially without a real established TE or RB threat.
DHB - really? no. I don't buy it - and Jason Campbell? I like him, and he could be the 2011 Kyle Orton, but I don't buy DHB as your guy. Right kind of situation (aside from no running game), but maybe not the right person.
Louis Murphy is on my watch list should he make it back within the next week or two.
Jabar Gaffney - shoulda had 2 TDs, missed a bomb on a bad Rex throw
2 TDs in one game would have equaled his 2nd best career SEASON. Lloyd was at least in his prime when he broke out at 31 for Gaffney to break out as the clear #2 receiver and likely 3rd or 4th in total targets this year would be twice as shocking as Lloyd's break out.
Cobb - sleeper
Totally unconcerned about Cobb this year. On the field for 7 snaps and Rodgers even admits he ran the totally wrong route on his TD. Rookies aren't likely to impact that team on a weekly basis.
 

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