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I can't control my dog (1 Viewer)

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Got her at 9 weeks from a bad situation.  Spent 1k plus on experts.  I have trained many dogs.  This one gets to level that she won't listen.  It is fear based and maybe just dna.  Sweet as can be in home, everyone is an enemy out.

I could hold up a finger to my last dog 100 yards away and she wouldn't move.  

This one, well she is not right.  She is aggressive, fear based.  Spending 6k to fence my back yard, been in this house since 1999.  

I thought I was a good dog owner, I have no outs with her.  She is so ooooooo sweet to me, but 

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Got her at 9 weeks from a bad situation.  Spent 1k plus on experts.  I have trained many dogs.  This one gets to level that she won't listen.  It is fear based and maybe just dna.  Sweet as can be in home, everyone is an enemy out.

I could hold up a finger to my last dog 100 yards away and she wouldn't move.  

This one, well she is not right.  She is aggressive, fear based.  Spending 6k to fence my back yard, been in this house since 1999.  

I thought I was a good dog owner, I have no outs with her.  She is so ooooooo sweet to me, but 
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I have the same problem with my four year old Jack Russell. He's a boy. Inside the house he's awesome. Outside the house he is like a possessed demon. I'm over it now though. Pretty sure he is mentally diverse.

 
Fyi, only get golden or labs.  She looks like a lab.  I dna,her.  5/8 golden, chow, pit, mountain dog.  Other. 

 
JShare87 said:
I have the same problem with my four year old Jack Russell. He's a boy. Inside the house he's awesome. Outside the house he is like a possessed demon. I'm over it now though. Pretty sure he is mentally diverse.
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It is like war to take her out.  She steps out the door and scans for enemies.

 
mr roboto said:
HF is no Richard. But you weren't exactly...receptive...to actual feedback or advice last time around. 
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Well tell

Henry Ford said:
It's not bad, but we already have a thread where I believe I gave you a step by step process on how to begin dealing with this.  Did you do it?
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Have no idea.  Bump it.  I will give you 2 weeks with my dog.  Make her right, you get 5k.  You don't you pay me 2k.  She has to do at my house what you teach.

 
She is going on 8 months now.  She loves going to doggie day care.  She always jumps in and goes in my car.  My wife noticed she was getting car dirty and put a cover on.  She won't jump in car now

 
Also, how much do you know about her "bad situation" that you took her out of? Do you know what happened to her?

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Nope, only know what I saw when I got her.  Now what.
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Dealing with an abused dog is just a completely different scenario than one who wasn't.  And the end product will be different. 

I'm sure you've trained a number of dogs, and trained them ridiculously well.  Unfortunately, with a truly abused dog you have to motivate them differently.  

A dog will usually want to do what you want him to do because he wants to be accepted and wants to please.  An abused dog can't start from that place.  An abused dog can only be motivated by fear until you can remove fear for long enough to bring him out of that.  Which sometimes means long periods of very difficult work with the dog that is uncomfortable for both him and you.  And an absolute refusal on your part to get angry or frustrated, no matter how frustrated you feel like you have a right to be with the dog.

Until you can control your frustration, fear, anger, etc. you have no shot.  But I'm sure you can do that.

You have to start by taking the dog where the dog needs to go, without allowing the scanning behavior.  Pick her up and take her outside and set her down, keeping her focused on you. Talk to her, sing, whatever, but you need to et her to a place where she can be so focused on you that she is inside one moment and set down on the grass before she can do her scanning thing.  That will take awhile.  And she may immediately run inside.  If she does, that's fine and respect her decision.  But every time you take her out, you need to start by getting her outside quickly and immediately, treating her, and taking and keeping her attention.

 
Ideally, you can do this by taking her outside on a leash, but I also know she's young.  So carrying may be the way to go.  That will also help keep her attention.

 
Henry Ford said:
Dealing with an abused dog is just a completely different scenario than one who wasn't.  And the end product will be different. 

I'm sure you've trained a number of dogs, and trained them ridiculously well.  Unfortunately, with a truly abused dog you have to motivate them differently.  

A dog will usually want to do what you want him to do because he wants to be accepted and wants to please.  An abused dog can't start from that place.  An abused dog can only be motivated by fear until you can remove fear for long enough to bring him out of that.  Which sometimes means long periods of very difficult work with the dog that is uncomfortable for both him and you.  And an absolute refusal on your part to get angry or frustrated, no matter how frustrated you feel like you have a right to be with the dog.

Until you can control your frustration, fear, anger, etc. you have no shot.  But I'm sure you can do that.

You have to start by taking the dog where the dog needs to go, without allowing the scanning behavior.  Pick her up and take her outside and set her down, keeping her focused on you. Talk to her, sing, whatever, but you need to et her to a place where she can be so focused on you that she is inside one moment and set down on the grass before she can do her scanning thing.  That will take awhile.  And she may immediately run inside.  If she does, that's fine and respect her decision.  But every time you take her out, you need to start by getting her outside quickly and immediately, treating her, and taking and keeping her attention.
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This is great advice and I get it.  When you do this and they continue to bark and lunge.  Now what.

 
Dogs can only do one thing at a time.  So stuff their mouth or make them run.  Cool, I get that.  But when they won't take a treat, and stand their ground.....welcome.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Dogs can only do one thing at a time.  So stuff their mouth or make them run.  Cool, I get that.  But when they won't take a treat, and stand their ground.....welcome.
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I don't really agree with this, especially with an abused dog.  They've usually learned to multitask a bit.

 
First trainer.  Was not there.  Trusting my wife.  They went into a room, Sandy barked at the pro.  He had my wife take her away.  Made her watch a video, and said once you can get her calm around me, we can make some real progress.  Wtf

 
Henry Ford said:
Absolutely not unless very temporary and very seldom.

When you're dealing with a dog that was abused and you don't know how, there's a very good chance this will derail any progress you've made.
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I guess for me it would depend I what I was hoping to accomplish.  If the dog is great around the house and you'd like to take it for walks without worrying about her biting someone, muzzle would be an easy route I'd go.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
First trainer.  Was not there.  Trusting my wife.  They went into a room, Sandy barked at the pro.  He had my wife take her away.  Made her watch a video, and said once you can get her calm around me, we can make some real progress.  Wtf
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Yeesh.  Yeah, that's no good.

As an aside, you will probably find that this dog is incredible with special needs kids.  I don't entirely know why that is, but almost every abused dog I've rehabbed is.

 
I can feed my dog threw any fear, but she is not dealing with it.  If she is eating anything, all hyper behavior is gone.   But then the treat ends

 
NutterButter said:
I guess for me it would depend I what I was hoping to accomplish.  If the dog is great around the house and you'd like to take it for walks without worrying about her biting someone, muzzle would be an easy route I'd go.
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It's a quick fix, but doesn't help with the root issues which have to be fixed.  And if the dog has been tape muzzled before, it'll be a problem.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I can feed my dog threw any fear, but she is not dealing with it.  If she is eating anything, all hyper behavior is gone.   But then the treat ends
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Sure.  And the goal is to continue to keep her focus without a treat.  Which can only happen with constant, long term repetition.  And since your concern is taking her out, start there.

 
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In the end.  I am getting a fence doing all I can for her.  But she loves to run, and be free.  We took her from a bad place.  NO.  I took her from a bad place, so she is my responsibility.  

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Okay, now we are clicking.  
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There's an autistic kid in my neighborhood whose family uses my vet.  My rescue is amazing with him.  Loves the kid to death.  Saw him rocking in the corner at the vet's office first time they met and went over and laid down on his feet and the kid reached down and pet him.  Really brought a tear to my eye.

 
Me and my wife will love her to death, but increasingly, it doesn't seem best for her.  But I don't know what is better.

 
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