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I don't get all the love for the Patriots (1 Viewer)

Colin Dowling said:
Summary: Everyone simmer down. It's week 4. Not week 14.
I completely agree.The Pats Colts game will be decided on turnovers. Edge to the Colts at home.I see the Cowboys as somewhere between the Bengals and the Colts. I see the Pats beating the Cowboys by 7-13 points.The Pats will likely finish between 14-2 and 12-4. The Colts game probably determines home field advantage.Of course this is as things stand today. Stuff happens.
 
That's just it, they haven't played anybody yet, the Chargers stink to high heaven. This NE team is good, REAL good, but let's wait until they actually play a team that doesn't stink before we crown their a##.

 
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Colin Dowling said:
So everyone is all up in it with the Patriots. The national press is tossing on the praise. Someone on the message board here called them the best team since the '85 Bears. Bill Simmons (admitted NE homer) thinks they are "the best team in the last 15 years." I certainly can see the argument that 4 weeks in they are the best team of the 2007 NFL season. However, the notion that this is one of the best teams of all time after a mere 4 weeks is bothersome. To the numbers...The Patriots have beaten four 1-3 teams. Comparatively, the Colts four opponents are a combined 6-8. Not stellar, but the Titans and Broncos are inarguably EONS better then the Jets and Bills. (The Cowboys opponents are a combined 3-11. The Packers opponents are a combined 5-7)The Patriots are scoring 37 points per game, including a couple "the game is already decided" scores that they are most certainly entitled to. The Cowboys are scoring 37.75 points per game. The Colts are scoring 32.75 against much tougher competition defensively. The Packers lag at 26.25 per game.Tom Brady: 79.2, 9.3, 13TDs, 2 IntsTony Romo: 59.5%, 9.9ypa, 13 TDs, 3 IntsPeyton Manning: 67.2, 8.3, 9TD, 1 IntBrett Favre: 65.9, 7.2, 8 TD, 2 IntDefensively, the Patriots shake out as "excellent" as expected. But there are two 3-1 teams that have allowed fewer points. There are three teams allowing fewer points per game. THere are three teams allowing fewer pass yards per game. THere are two teams allowing fewer rush yards per game. On and on and on and on.Despite what I'm sure will be posted here, I'm not bagging on the Pats. I think they are playing wonderful football and I look forward to seeing them play the Cowboys and the Colts, among others. My big thing is that I don't see what the big deal is, at least not yet. They've dominated some bad teams and are statistically similar to a handful of other teams. Isn't this what we go throw on a regular basis?
i am caught up in pat-mania, myself (i'm not a fan, though), and i certainly can't speak for others, but to me, the amazment is about what they are currently doing and what they have the potential to do. there's no way to put them in any historical context, yet.for me the excitement comes from 2 things:1-this pats team is really the only team that could be considered a dynasty since the 90's cowboys. that dynasty just upgraded it's defense in the off-season, and more importantly (from an excitement standpoint), they've acquired the greatest deep threat in the history of the NFL. before the season, there were at least some questions as to how this would work out, given randy's age and (assumed diminished) skills. it's working out pretty well. what sounded good on paper is actually working out even better than 99% of us could've imagined on the field. (which is pretty rare, i think).2-maybe the numbers don't back it up, but watching these pats just seems/feels like something special. as great teams do, they make it look easy. in a league that can feel 'watered down' at times, the pats seem to be a textbook display of what football ought to look like. belichick makes every coach look like a fool and it seems like brady could throw 60 TDs if he decided he wanted to. they seem to be toying with teams at times. it's refreshing to watch (even for a non-pats fan).that's all very subjective and maybe the colts would kill the pats (i don't think the cowboys would have a prayer, by the way). who knows how it'll end for these pats, but it's a hell of alot of fun to watch. i appreciate domination. (i'm a jags fan so maybe i'm just a guy in a boring marriage ogling the my buddy's smokin' hot, very cool wife).i also don't buy in the 4-week strength of schedule deal. there are only 3 teams in the league that appear to be any better than 'pretty good' to me. nobody has beaten a dominant team this year (b/c they're all 4-0). by my subjective measure, i think the pats would absolutely destroy the titans, by the way. (and i think the titans are a pretty good football team)
 
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As a Colts fan, I think the Pats are effing awesome looking this year. I am totally worried about the upcoming game and possible road trip in January.

That's for the record.

With that said, this premature coronation is making the shark pool messy!

Let's wait until midway, anyway. Please?!?

 
twitch said:
Statistically speaking, Ill tell you why. Theyre the first team Ive seen since probably the 90s Cowboys that is a top 5 team in all SIX major team categories - total rushing offense and defense, total passing offense and defense, and scoring offense and defense. Top 5 in all 6 of those areas is flat getting it done. Those 'Boyz teams with Aikman and co. are the best Ive ever seen. They were incredibly deep and talented in all areas. These New England Pats, no matter how early it is, is the first team that's threatened that image.
read post #21:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=209311

 
Colin Dowling said:
Summary: Everyone simmer down. It's week 4. Not week 14.
I completely agree.The Pats Colts game will be decided on turnovers. Edge to the Colts at home.I see the Cowboys as somewhere between the Bengals and the Colts. I see the Pats beating the Cowboys by 7-13 points.The Pats will likely finish between 14-2 and 12-4. The Colts game probably determines home field advantage.Of course this is as things stand today. Stuff happens.
Agree on most counts. THe Pats have missed Harrison, but the Cowboys have just gotten Newman and Ellis back. The Dallas D should be even better int he next month. Pats too, but don't discount the Newman/Ellis contributions.
 
Colin Dowling said:
Summary: Everyone simmer down. It's week 4. Not week 14.
I completely agree.The Pats Colts game will be decided on turnovers. Edge to the Colts at home.I see the Cowboys as somewhere between the Bengals and the Colts. I see the Pats beating the Cowboys by 7-13 points.The Pats will likely finish between 14-2 and 12-4. The Colts game probably determines home field advantage.Of course this is as things stand today. Stuff happens.
Agree on most counts. THe Pats have missed Harrison, but the Cowboys have just gotten Newman and Ellis back. The Dallas D should be even better int he next month. Pats too, but don't discount the Newman/Ellis contributions.
The Cowboys MAY be in the same tier as the Pats and Colts; I simply don't know and won't know until after the Patriots Cowboys game. I thought the Steelers were in this tier as well, and maybe they are, but it was a black eye to lose to the Cardinals.
 
Colin Dowling said:
Summary: Everyone simmer down. It's week 4. Not week 14.
I completely agree.The Pats Colts game will be decided on turnovers. Edge to the Colts at home.

I see the Cowboys as somewhere between the Bengals and the Colts. I see the Pats beating the Cowboys by 7-13 points.

The Pats will likely finish between 14-2 and 12-4. The Colts game probably determines home field advantage.

Of course this is as things stand today. Stuff happens.
Agree on most counts. THe Pats have missed Harrison, but the Cowboys have just gotten Newman and Ellis back. The Dallas D should be even better int he next month. Pats too, but don't discount the Newman/Ellis contributions.
I think they've missed Seymour more than Harrison.
 
Colin Dowling said:
Summary: Everyone simmer down. It's week 4. Not week 14.
I completely agree.The Pats Colts game will be decided on turnovers. Edge to the Colts at home.

I see the Cowboys as somewhere between the Bengals and the Colts. I see the Pats beating the Cowboys by 7-13 points.

The Pats will likely finish between 14-2 and 12-4. The Colts game probably determines home field advantage.

Of course this is as things stand today. Stuff happens.
Agree on most counts. THe Pats have missed Harrison, but the Cowboys have just gotten Newman and Ellis back. The Dallas D should be even better int he next month. Pats too, but don't discount the Newman/Ellis contributions.
I think they've missed Seymour more than Harrison.
:thumbup: Meriweather appears to be every bit as malevolent on the field as Harrison. It'll be good to have Rodney back for team leadership, but Seymour is one of the 3 best defensive players in the league.

 
The great thing is that the Pats do not have a '72 Dolphins schedule. Their schedule allows them to show their mettle against ALL contenders.

Chargers were considered a SB contender. CHECK

at Cowboys

at Colts

vs. Steelers

at Ravens

At the beginning of the season, thats 5 of the top 8 teams in the league. If the Pats go undefeated, they'll have earned every accolade they get.

 
The great thing is that the Pats do not have a '72 Dolphins schedule. Their schedule allows them to show their mettle against ALL contenders.Chargers were considered a SB contender. CHECKat Cowboysat Coltsvs. Steelersat RavensAt the beginning of the season, thats 5 of the top 8 teams in the league. If the Pats go undefeated, they'll have earned every accolade they get.
I totally agree with this. Now, let's wait until they're 14-0 to continue the discussion. Otherwise we need to start 3 other rediculous threads for the other undefeated teams as well and proclaim them as the next to go 16-0.It's just simply too early. Too many things can happen.
 
I think it's a little early to talk about them being the greatest of all time, etc.
As I mentioned in one of the other threads, all this banter and debate is wasted as NOTHING matters in September/October.I'll start getting hyped over stuff like this when they play the Super Bowl on Halloween.
I guess the reason it grates on me is that I read everything NFL that I can find during the season (as I'm sure most of you do too). It just gets a little tiresome for the first 400 column words to be the same story week in and week out. They're awesome, I get it. But let's let the season play out a little before we forget there are a handful of other teams playing really great football as well.
I agree..........I'm a big Dallas fan but over the years I've evolved into more of a football fan who just loves the Cowboys. I try and be as objective as possible and know that with this game there comes some highs and lows.I mentioned in another thread that basically it's Super Bowl or utter disappoinement for NE this year. Expectations have gone thru the roof.........if this was the stock market, it would be so over inflated like when .com stocks were selling at 200 dollars a share and then they just plummeted. There stock is way to high and I'm not buying.I'm not saying that can't win the SB, I'm more or less talking about Brady throwing 55 Td's and the team's going to be undefeated and Randy Moss is going to catch 25 TD's and all of the other crazy numbers I hear. I'm selling, I'm not buying all that.Great team, great organization and they'll be tough to beat but they will be beat.
 
The great thing is that the Pats do not have a '72 Dolphins schedule. Their schedule allows them to show their mettle against ALL contenders.Chargers were considered a SB contender. CHECKat Cowboysat Coltsvs. Steelersat RavensAt the beginning of the season, thats 5 of the top 8 teams in the league. If the Pats go undefeated, they'll have earned every accolade they get.
Certainly they will...........but lets give it to them then, when they actually deserve it.I'll tell you what, I'm glad you guys don't play for my Cowboys because if you play like the way you're afraid of them or are in awe of them, you'd get your butts kicked.Teams need to man up and play some ball :rolleyes:
 
I think it's a little early to talk about them being the greatest of all time, etc.
As I mentioned in one of the other threads, all this banter and debate is wasted as NOTHING matters in September/October.I'll start getting hyped over stuff like this when they play the Super Bowl on Halloween.
I guess the reason it grates on me is that I read everything NFL that I can find during the season (as I'm sure most of you do too). It just gets a little tiresome for the first 400 column words to be the same story week in and week out. They're awesome, I get it. But let's let the season play out a little before we forget there are a handful of other teams playing really great football as well.
I agree..........I'm a big Dallas fan but over the years I've evolved into more of a football fan who just loves the Cowboys. I try and be as objective as possible and know that with this game there comes some highs and lows.I mentioned in another thread that basically it's Super Bowl or utter disappoinement for NE this year. Expectations have gone thru the roof.........if this was the stock market, it would be so over inflated like when .com stocks were selling at 200 dollars a share and then they just plummeted. There stock is way to high and I'm not buying.I'm not saying that can't win the SB, I'm more or less talking about Brady throwing 55 Td's and the team's going to be undefeated and Randy Moss is going to catch 25 TD's and all of the other crazy numbers I hear. I'm selling, I'm not buying all that.Great team, great organization and they'll be tough to beat but they will be beat.
Ah yes, but the beauty of having a team this good is that Brady can throw 55 TD's, Moss can catch 25 TD's and they can go undefeated. We won’t know until they slow down or lose a game, but at this point, you can't say for sure they won’t. Sure, the odds are not in their favor, but they are much better odds than winning Powerball, yet somebody still does.It's fun for us Pats fans, not so much for others, and I'm going to enjoy it while I can.
 
It's fun for us Pats fans, not so much for others, and I'm going to enjoy it while I can.
Honestly, I disagree. Most fans who don't have something at stake (fans of AFC East rivals, Colts fans, Steelers fans, etc.) really marvel and enjoy watching this team play. Frankly, I'm hoping they do run the table.I think it's the premature anointing or ####-crowning that is surprising. The Pats have looked amazing through 4 games -- better than any team I can ever remember -- but honestly, we can't even be sure they're the best team in the league until they play the Cowboys and the Colts.

It's a tough and fine line, and in the ESPN era, particularly with Bristol being close to the Pats homeground, it's probably not a fair expectation. Part of me wants to proclaim the greatest team ever, the other part wants to wait as the last team to start 13-0 didn't even win a playoff game (2005 Colts). Things change really fast.

 
In my mind the Pats are the best of the four undefeated teams based on actually WATCHING the games. Forget stats.They LOOK incredible. :shrug:Signed,A traditional Pats HATER
Have you watched the Cowboys? With the exception of the first half Sunday, I feel they've looked every bit as good. And they're playing with 1 WR and 1 Te...
:lmao: :)The boys D has looked decent, but against a team with NO passing game and a rookie QB.What's the most INT's Brady has thrown in a game (serious question)?
 

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