I don't get any of the Trump/Hillary stuff and this board has become a real cluster####, even to me (1 Viewer)

[tommyboy]

Yeah, god I hate these lefties who think Trump is, I don't know, uninformed? Narcissistic? Thin-skinned? Petty? It's like, dude, stop listening to the things he says. Bunch of fruity liberal nutjobs imo.

You could replace lefties with righties and Trump with Obama and have an equally valid statement 

 

[MaxThreshold]

You could replace lefties with righties and Trump with Obama and have an equally valid statement 

Well, your post should pretty much stop McGarnicle from posting in here again. THAT is how definitive it was in it's smackdown.

 

[Courtjester]

Even a broken clock....

No that was seriously a good post

 

[Insein]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I see what you did there!!!!!

Do you?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

This is simple.  Politics is the religion of the Left.  When you are motivated by religion above all else, these things happen.  We see it around the world daily.

I think this also, from time to time.  There does seem to be an orthodoxy.  I wonder if people, humans, by our nature must have some religious, or fervent beliefs.  Beliefs not based on logic, but on emotion, on hope.  I then look to my beliefs and wonder if I have beliefs that strong.  If not my premise fails or I am not human.

I think that there is some selective memory here, or some strange definitions.  The KKK and similar organizations are politically right. Right wing extremists have carried out massive numbers of violent acts in the name of right wing ideals, including recent armed occupations of federal land and directly pointing firearms at federal officers.  The sovereign citizen movement and similar movements are right wing organizations.

The main difference in my opinion is that the beliefs and ideals of the violent groups on the left aren't spoken of in code by left wing mainstreamers.  There is a more clearly identifiable link between the goals of the party and the actions of the extreme factions who identify with that party. But people inciting violence at a Trump rally no more speak for "the left" than Ammon Bundy speaks for "the right."

With advocates so frequently posting and broadcasting the outlandish extremes it is easy to forget those are the extremes and not the norms. 

 

[Henry Ford]

The KKK was founded by Democrats.   Surely you know this

Democrats weren't the left then.  Surely you know this.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Democrats weren't the left then.  Surely you know this.

So, exactly what has the Democrats done to help African Americans?

 

[sports_fan]

i just stay away from all the hump hillary stuff

 

[sho nuff]

You could replace lefties with righties and Trump with Obama and have an equally valid statement 

Obama is thin skinned? Narcissistic? Uninformed?

Oof...big fail there.

 

[sho nuff]

i just stay away from all the hump hillary stuff

So does Bill.

 

[cstu]

So, exactly what has the Democrats done to help African Americans?

Trends in Income, Poverty, and Unemployment

Economic outcomes clearly diverge under Democratic versus Republican presidents – especially for African Americans.

Under Democratic presidents, black families’ incomes grew on average $895 dollars annually, but grew only by $142 dollars under Republicans. The black unemployment rate fell by a net 7.9 percentage points across the 26 years of Democratic leadership, but went up by a net of 13.7 points during 28 years of Republican presidencies. Across the years of Democratic leadership, black poverty declined by a net of 23.6 percentage points, but grew by three points when Republicans held the White House. 

- See more at: http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/under-democratic-presidents-minorities-make-economic-gains-and-so-do-whites#sthash.m9N13uJL.dpuf

 

[timschochet]

I think that there is some selective memory here, or some strange definitions.  The KKK and similar organizations are politically right. Right wing extremists have carried out massive numbers of violent acts in the name of right wing ideals, including recent armed occupations of federal land and directly pointing firearms at federal officers.  The sovereign citizen movement and similar movements are right wing organizations.

The main difference in my opinion is that the beliefs and ideals of the violent groups on the left aren't spoken of in code by left wing mainstreamers.  There is a more clearly identifiable link between the goals of the party and the actions of the extreme factions who identify with that party. But people inciting violence at a Trump rally no more speak for "the left" than Ammon Bundy speaks for "the right."

The Bundy idiots certainly threatened violence but didn't commit any. As for the KKK, you have to go back to the early 60s when they were any kind of mass movement- as I wrote, before my lifetime. 

Certainly there have horrendous acts of right wing terrorism (Oklahoma City being the worst of many many examples) but I was discussing mass protests. It seems that when they come from the left they tend to be uglier and more violent. Again I don't know why that is- I reject the argument about religion that has been offered since both sides have plenty of people religious about their political doctrine. I would be tempted to say it's more about economic background, but I'm not at all sure of that either. 

 

[bueno]

It's because liberals don't buy guns and blow stuff up on the weekends.  There is no outlet for aggression.  Maybe when pot becomes legal, it will chill everyone out.

Liberals don't buy guns? How do they hunt? With sharpened sticks?

 

[Henry Ford]

The Bundy idiots certainly threatened violence but didn't commit any. As for the KKK, you have to go back to the early 60s when they were any kind of mass movement- as I wrote, before my lifetime. 

Certainly there have horrendous acts of right wing terrorism (Oklahoma City being the worst of many many examples) but I was discussing mass protests. It seems that when they come from the left they tend to be uglier and more violent. Again I don't know why that is- I reject the argument about religion that has been offered since both sides have plenty of people religious about their political doctrine. I would be tempted to say it's more about economic background, but I'm not at all sure of that either. 

I think you're discounting a while lot of right wing violence because it doesn't qualify as a "protest" in the sense you want to think of protests.  

And the KKK didn't stop being violent in the 60s.

A few people being violent at a protest against a Trump rally isn't any more awful or violent or extremist as a few people dragging James Byrd, Jr. to death.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think you're discounting a while lot of right wing violence because it doesn't qualify as a "protest" in the sense you want to think of protests.  

And the KKK didn't stop being violent in the 60s.

A few people being violent at a protest against a Trump rally isn't any more awful or violent or extremist as a few people dragging James Byrd, Jr. to death.

The presence in presidential politics is troubling though. 

 

[Henry Ford]

The presence in presidential politics is troubling though. 

Obviously.  But no more political than home grown terrorists actually are.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Obviously.  But no more political than home grown terrorists actually are.

No, you're right and IMO things like the kkk and Jasper TX those things involve you know *death.

But large scale political, sectarian and even worse ethnic/racial violence leads to political instability. It is a bad genie.

We have been blessed to avoid all that for a very long time.

 

[Henry Ford]

No, you're right and IMO things like the kkk and Jasper TX those things involve you know *death.

But large scale political, sectarian and even worse ethnic/racial violence leads to political instability. It is a bad genie.

We have been blessed to avoid all that for a very long time.

By "we" do you mean straight white, male, cisgender citizens? Yeah, sucks that we're not avoiding that anymore.

Violence against other groups has been pretty large scale for a while.

 

[dschuler]

So, exactly what has the Democrats done to help African Americans?

Looks like they did a good job lowering their Income over the last eight years.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

By "we" do you mean white, male, cisgender citizens? Yeah, sucks that we're not avoiding that anymore.

Violence against other groups has been pretty large scale for a while.

I meant we America. Us. All of us. I know what's happened and it's best not to measure out any more of it.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

This is like the movie-within-a-movie thing.  Only it's a discussing-####ty-threads-within-a-####ty thread.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

On the sole issue of which group is the most violent, the conservatives posting here have it in the right- it is the anti-Trump protestors who have been the most violent by far and who have shown a gross disrespect for freedom of speech and the political process. I wish this were not true as I am very much on their side. I believe that their cause is right, that Trump is preaching bigotry and hatred. But the Trump fans, with rare exceptions, have not acted in a violent way. The anti-Trump people have. 

And as I have noted before, this is unfortunately true of progressives as a general rule at least for my entire life, dating from the time of the Vietnam War protests. They tend to be unruly and there always seems to be violence. The Tea Party, for all it's faults, have generally held peaceful protests, mindful of law and authority. The Occupy Movement did not. Neither did the BLM protests, or the Ferguson or Baltimore protests (both of which turned into angry riots.) 

I do not know why the Left in this country tends to be more prone to violence than the Right. I don't know why the Left on college campuses shout down right wing speakers, with the effect of canceling free speech. I don't know why they are more intolerant of opposing opinion. I only know that, regrettably, these things are true. 

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