I don't think Oakland will take a QB in round 1 (1 Viewer)

[ILoveMyLions]

With all of this recent talk of Oakland taking Young or Cutler or Leinart with the 7 overall pick, I can't help but scratch my head in confusion. I've seen mock after mock where people have one of these young QBs going to the Raiders, and I just think their needs on defense and on the offensive line are too great to pass up. Plus, they have a guy in A. Walter, who if it weren't for an injury late in 2004, would have likely been a first round pick last year. Personally, I think he was the best QB of the bunch last year. However, he ends up being a third round pick despite the injury. He has a great size, a rocket of an arm, a good over the top release, good accuracy and a great deep ball. Put that together with WRs like Moss and Porter and he could have a good season. Not to mention, they sign Aaron Brooks in the offseason to compete for the starters role in case Walter doesn't pan out. They have an insurance policy in place, so why take a QB in Young that would likley two years to develop?

I think Walter is a guy to target in dynasty while the value is low with all of this QB talk at its height. Perhaps I'm wrong and Oak takes a QB in round 1 and Walter never gets the chance; I just think that Walter is the perfect QB for that team and would flourish given the opportunity.

 

[diesel7982]

With all of this recent talk of Oakland taking Young or Cutler or Leinart with the 7 overall pick, I can't help but scratch my head in confusion.  I've seen mock after mock where people have one of these young QBs going to the Raiders, and I just think their needs on defense and on the offensive line are too great to pass up.  Plus, they have a guy in A. Walter, who if it weren't for an injury late in 2004, would have likely been a first round pick last year.  Personally, I think he was the best QB of the bunch last year.  However, he ends up being a third round pick despite the injury.  He has a great size, a rocket of an arm, a good over the top release, good accuracy and a great deep ball.  Put that together with WRs like Moss and Porter and he could have a good season.  Not to mention, they sign Aaron Brooks in the offseason to compete for the starters role in case Walter doesn't pan out.  They have an insurance policy in place, so why take a QB in Young that would likley two years to develop?

I think Walter is a guy to target in dynasty while the value is low with all of this QB talk at its height.  Perhaps I'm wrong and Oak takes a QB in round 1 and Walter never gets the chance; I just think that Walter is the perfect QB for that team and would flourish given the opportunity.

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a (edit:3rd) round pick.Walter might have a future in this league, but the Raiders arent going to pass on a QB because they have Walter in the fold.

 

[adesai]

Walter was a 3rd round pick in 2005, and the early buzz out of Raiders minicamps is that he's looking good.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a 5th round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3Walter would have gone higher if not for the injury. He wasn't able to work out and was considered by many scouts to be the 4th Best QB despite the injury.

If you disagree, which many seem to these days regarding Walter, fine by me. I'm just giving my opinion and pray that I'm right.

 

[diesel7982]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a 5th round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3Walter would have gone higher if not for the injury. He wasn't able to work out and was considered by many scouts to be the 4th Best QB despite the injury.

If you disagree, which many seem to these days regarding Walter, fine by me. I'm just giving my opinion and pray that I'm right.

Yeah I dont know why I had 5th in my head. My statement remains the same. If they have a QB fall to them that is a value at #7, we'll see him become a Raider. Al Davis isnt going to wait around for Walter to develop when he can get a Vince Young at #7.Just my opinion.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a 5th round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3Walter would have gone higher if not for the injury. He wasn't able to work out and was considered by many scouts to be the 4th Best QB despite the injury.

If you disagree, which many seem to these days regarding Walter, fine by me. I'm just giving my opinion and pray that I'm right.

Yeah I dont know why I had 5th in my head. My statement remains the same. If they have a QB fall to them that is a value at #7, we'll see him become a Raider. Al Davis isnt going to wait around for Walter to develop when he can get a Vince Young at #7.Just my opinion.

Hey, I knew a lot of people would disagree with me on this one, I just get the feeling they give Walters a chance even if a guy like Young falls to them. Thanks for your input...

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Walter was a 3rd round pick in 2005, and the early buzz out of Raiders minicamps is that he's looking good.

Do you have a link to that by chance? Thanks...

 

[snarfsnarf]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a 5th round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3Walter would have gone higher if not for the injury. He wasn't able to work out and was considered by many scouts to be the 4th Best QB despite the injury.

If you disagree, which many seem to these days regarding Walter, fine by me. I'm just giving my opinion and pray that I'm right.

Yeah I dont know why I had 5th in my head. My statement remains the same. If they have a QB fall to them that is a value at #7, we'll see him become a Raider. Al Davis isnt going to wait around for Walter to develop when he can get a Vince Young at #7.Just my opinion.

Yah, because Vince Young won't need to develop either.

 

[CalBear]

Walter will not be an NFL success. He has never played well against a good team in his career, and his entire reputation is built on performing adequately in the fourth quarter of a pre-season game against scrubs. He had a 54.9% completion rate in college, and only 57.3% his senior year.

Don't buy the hype.

 

[fatkid]

I don't know if Walters is the answer or not, but I still don't think Al Davis will draft a Quarterback in the first round. He wont live long enough to see Young or Lienart or Cutler develop.

I think they will take Justice or Fergusen in the unlikely event he falls to them. This moves Barry Sims to Gaurd, and improves two positions on the line. Also, Art Shell is an OL guy, and will be pushing for this pick. (Not that Al Davis listens to anyone else)

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Walter *could* be the answer. But he was hurt last year (hernia i believe) and is still really a complete unknown quantity. Young is going to have Vick-like success at worst. Ill take that at #7 when my QB sitch is up in the air. If Walter pans out, terrific, you have great trade bait (see: Schaub). If he doesn't, they won't be left holding the bag. Brooks is not the answer, this much I am sure of.

 

[cstu]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a 5th round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/2005#round3Walter would have gone higher if not for the injury. He wasn't able to work out and was considered by many scouts to be the 4th Best QB despite the injury.

If you disagree, which many seem to these days regarding Walter, fine by me. I'm just giving my opinion and pray that I'm right.

Yeah I dont know why I had 5th in my head. My statement remains the same. If they have a QB fall to them that is a value at #7, we'll see him become a Raider. Al Davis isnt going to wait around for Walter to develop when he can get a Vince Young at #7.Just my opinion.

You think the VY will develop faster than Walter at this point?

 

[Silver & Black]

I also don't think Oakland will go QB in round 1 this year.

Walter looks very, very good. I think he can be a solid NFL QB. And the best part is that he doesn't have to be this year. Oakland brought in Brooks to start this year, and he will do well. Walter will get some chances and hopefully, get the nod in 2007.

The Raiders have too many needs on defense to go Qb early on. With Moss and Porter and Johnson and Brooks, they have to go D.

Don't they?

 

[tkrull]

Walter will not be an NFL success. He has never played well against a good team in his career, and his entire reputation is built on performing adequately in the fourth quarter of a pre-season game against scrubs. He had a 54.9% completion rate in college, and only 57.3% his senior year.

Don't buy the hype.

see Kyle Boller

 

[Santa Fe Trail]

I don't know if Walters is the answer or not, but I still don't think Al Davis will draft a Quarterback in the first round. He wont live long enough to see Young or Lienart or Cutler develop.

I think they will take Justice or Fergusen in the unlikely event he falls to them. This moves Barry Sims to Gaurd, and improves two positions on the line. Also, Art Shell is an OL guy, and will be pushing for this pick. (Not that Al Davis listens to anyone else)

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

Oakland brought in Huff and Vince yesterday. Leinart comes to town on Friday. They There are signals that Justice could be the play though. (I've read they also like Vernon a lot but TE seems a luxury)

Saturday's Sac Bee:

A Hall of Fame tackle as a player, Shell is already on record as saying he would like to fortify the Raiders' offensive line. So it wouldn't be out of character if he wanted another top pick for that unit, as happened in 2004 when the Raiders made Robert Gallery from Iowa the second overall choice. Certainly, there are other more pressing needs than quarterback with Brooks aboard.

Today's SF Chronicle:

Rather than send senior personnel assistant Michael Lombardi or chief scout Jon Kingdon to Austin, Texas, for Young's individual Pro Day last month, the Raiders maintained a low profile by having regional scouts attend the workout.

Lombardi was one of the 3,000 onlookers during USC's large-scale Pro Day on April 2. But when other NFL teams noticed his lengthy conversations with Trojans right tackle Winston Justice, who protected Leinart's blind side, the buzz around the league was noticeable.

 

[S.K.A.]

It would be uncharacteristic for Al to draft a qb that high in the draft. He is not patient enough for a big money rookie to take 2~3 to develop. He is a very 'win-now' kind of guy. I'm betting he goes defense or Vernon Davis if he is available.

I'm still hoping AJ Hawk slides to them now that Mario Williams is out of the question.

 

[scottiev]

Maybe it's me..but I do not think Raiders will even take Lienart even IF he's there at pick 7. Remember...the last left hander from USC that Raiders took?

Todd Marinovich (spelling?)

I'm not comparing Lienart to Marinovich, just ...stating...if anyone still remembers the last USC qb Raiders took...(who happened to be left handed as well)

 

[radballs.]

It would be uncharacteristic for Al to draft a qb that high in the draft. He is not patient enough for a big money rookie to take 2~3 to develop. He is a very 'win-now' kind of guy. I'm betting he goes defense or Vernon Davis if he is available.

I'm still hoping AJ Hawk slides to them now that Mario Williams is out of the question.

Yeah, I'm hoping that Hawk or Davis are still available at 7. If not, I'd love to see them trade down 2 or 3 spots to a team that really likes Young. Hopefully, someone will take him before we even have the opportunity. That way it would definitely allow one of those two to fall. Otherwise, I'd be happy with either Huff, Ngata, or Justice and they could move down a few spots and still grab one of these three.

 

[Santa Fe Trail]

I'm still hoping AJ Hawk slides to them now that Mario Williams is out of the question.

I'd love to see them land Hawk but I've conceded that he won't get past GB and SF. Kind of a pre-emptive strike against disappointment.

 

[S.K.A.]

I'm still hoping AJ Hawk slides to them now that Mario Williams is out of the question.

I'd love to see them land Hawk but I've conceded that he won't get past GB and SF. Kind of a pre-emptive strike against disappointment.

Agreed. A couple of months ago I thought we might have a shot at Mario Williams and had a 50-50 at AJ Hawk. Now, it seems like a pipe dream.

 

[Couch Potato]

Maybe it's me..but I do not think Raiders will even take Lienart even IF he's there at pick 7. Remember...the last left hander from USC that Raiders took?

Todd Marinovich (spelling?)

I'm not comparing Lienart to Marinovich, just ...stating...if anyone still remembers the last USC qb Raiders took...(who happened to be left handed as well)

Your logic is so simplistic it's laughable. Marinovich didn't flame out with a drug problem because he was a left-handed QB from USC. These kinds of comparisons are just silly.

 

[Velcro]

Walter *could* be the answer. But he was hurt last year (hernia i believe) and is still really a complete unknown quantity. Young is going to have Vick-like success at worst. Ill take that at #7 when my QB sitch is up in the air. If Walter pans out, terrific, you have great trade bait (see: Schaub). If he doesn't, they won't be left holding the bag. Brooks is not the answer, this much I am sure of.

Can you please let me know what the lottery numbers will be next week?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Walter *could* be the answer. But he was hurt last year (hernia i believe) and is still really a complete unknown quantity. Young is going to have Vick-like success at worst. Ill take that at #7 when my QB sitch is up in the air. If Walter pans out, terrific, you have great trade bait (see: Schaub). If he doesn't, they won't be left holding the bag. Brooks is not the answer, this much I am sure of.

Can you please let me know what the lottery numbers will be next week?

At worst, Young will keep defenses off balance with his running and occassionally make huge plays. I dont see how he could completely flame out with his athletic ability and intangibles.

 

[cstu]

Walter *could* be the answer. But he was hurt last year (hernia i believe) and is still really a complete unknown quantity. Young is going to have Vick-like success at worst. Ill take that at #7 when my QB sitch is up in the air. If Walter pans out, terrific, you have great trade bait (see: Schaub). If he doesn't, they won't be left holding the bag. Brooks is not the answer, this much I am sure of.

Can you please let me know what the lottery numbers will be next week?

At worst, Young will keep defenses off balance with his running and occassionally make huge plays. I dont see how he could completely flame out with his athletic ability and intangibles.

I think Vick-like success is pretty good so I'm more expecting Kordell-like success at a minimum.

 

[UnknownCoach]

I dont think Walter is much of a factor but I'd really rather see Oakland draft Winston Justice than a QB. Btw, Oakland's senior scout spent a lot of time following Justice around at the combine. They are looking at Vince Young. All things indicate they'd have a serious interest in Vernon Davis. Forget about the needs on defense, the 7 pick is going to be an offensive player if Oakland stays there.

 

[jurb26]

If this were his only reason for falling, he wouldnt have been a (edit:3rd) round pick.

Walter might have a future in this league, but the Raiders arent going to pass on a QB because they have Walter in the fold.

Maybe not, but they will on account of their atrocious pass D when the get 1st crack at the DBs in this class.

 

[cstu]

I don't know if Walters is the answer or not, but I still don't think Al Davis will draft a Quarterback in the first round. He wont live long enough to see Young or Lienart or Cutler develop.

I think they will take Justice or Fergusen in the unlikely event he falls to them. This moves Barry Sims to Gaurd, and improves two positions on the line. Also, Art Shell is an OL guy, and will be pushing for this pick. (Not that Al Davis listens to anyone else)

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

Oakland brought in Huff and Vince yesterday. Leinart comes to town on Friday. They There are signals that Justice could be the play though. (I've read they also like Vernon a lot but TE seems a luxury)

Saturday's Sac Bee:

A Hall of Fame tackle as a player, Shell is already on record as saying he would like to fortify the Raiders' offensive line. So it wouldn't be out of character if he wanted another top pick for that unit, as happened in 2004 when the Raiders made Robert Gallery from Iowa the second overall choice. Certainly, there are other more pressing needs than quarterback with Brooks aboard.

Today's SF Chronicle:

Rather than send senior personnel assistant Michael Lombardi or chief scout Jon Kingdon to Austin, Texas, for Young's individual Pro Day last month, the Raiders maintained a low profile by having regional scouts attend the workout.

Lombardi was one of the 3,000 onlookers during USC's large-scale Pro Day on April 2. But when other NFL teams noticed his lengthy conversations with Trojans right tackle Winston Justice, who protected Leinart's blind side, the buzz around the league was noticeable.

I'm on this wagon too...they take Winston Justice.

Al Davis does love offensive linemen and Raiders OL would be insane with Gallery and Justice at tackle.

 

[Silver & Black]

What about the horrid defense?

What good is a solid offense when we are giving up 40+ points a game? I would love to see Oakland trade up for Williams, and if not, take Hawk.

 

[UnknownCoach]

  I'm on this wagon too...they take Winston Justice.

Since Al Davis has been in charge, Oakland has taken 10 DBs, 7 OTs, 5 DEs, 3 QBs, 3 RBs, 3 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 DTs, 2 LBs , 1 OG, 1 P, 1 PK, and 0 C in the first round.If you factor in number of starters at each position, you could argue that OT is his favorite position.

 

[SammyJankis]

FYI, SJ Mercury News indicating that the Raiders are thinking hard about trading up to get a QB. Possibly as high as 2.

Link

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside.  It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players.  They can then focus the rest of the draft on D. 

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

Why is it a waste of a pick if Walter pans out? Then you have two good young QBs, a situation every team would envy. Just because you have a *possible* future option at a position doesnt mean its a waste to select a guy you think will be a stud at the same position. If Walter had been practicing all year and looking great, eliciting comments from the coaching staff about how lucky they are and soon he will take over, then I would agree, no need to take Young, you've got your guy. But that isnt what happened. Walter was hurt, he's still basically a rookie. I wouldnt pass on a talent like Young just because Walter *might* pan out.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

Why is it a waste of a pick if Walter pans out? Then you have two good young QBs, a situation every team would envy. Just because you have a *possible* future option at a position doesnt mean its a waste to select a guy you think will be a stud at the same position. If Walter had been practicing all year and looking great, eliciting comments from the coaching staff about how lucky they are and soon he will take over, then I would agree, no need to take Young, you've got your guy. But that isnt what happened. Walter was hurt, he's still basically a rookie. I wouldnt pass on a talent like Young just because Walter *might* pan out.

Because when your team has so many other holes at key positions, you can't afford to keep picking players at positions you have filled. It's not like picking virtually every other position on the field where you can have multiple top players at the same position and it doesn't matter as they can all play at once (ie. three great LBs, CBs, OL, etc.) Young is a guy who is clearly developmental, why take him and wait two years when you likely only would wait one year with Walter and see what you have.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Because when your team has so many other holes at key positions, you can't afford to keep picking players at positions you have filled.

I agree that they have a lot of holes. I dont agree that QB is filled (for the long haul).For me, it comes down to this. QBs of Young's talent don't come along in every draft. When they do, they are often top 5 picks. When you can someone like Young outside of the top 5 (no insane signing bonus), and you dont already have a franchise QB, you take him.

A great debate though, and your position is completely valid and sound.

 

[radballs.]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside.  It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players.  They can then focus the rest of the draft on D. 

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

Why is it a waste of a pick if Walter pans out? Then you have two good young QBs, a situation every team would envy. Just because you have a *possible* future option at a position doesnt mean its a waste to select a guy you think will be a stud at the same position. If Walter had been practicing all year and looking great, eliciting comments from the coaching staff about how lucky they are and soon he will take over, then I would agree, no need to take Young, you've got your guy. But that isnt what happened. Walter was hurt, he's still basically a rookie. I wouldnt pass on a talent like Young just because Walter *might* pan out.

Yeah, but couldn't the same thing be said about the Packers or the Jets? Favre might still retire and how do they know that Rodgers is going to pan out. The Jets have a broken, limp armed, overpaid guy in Pennington and a big question mark with Ramsey. If Young is such a screaming NFL talent value at number 7 for the Raiders, why is he not a very good possibility of going at 4 or 5? How can he slip past those teams but be a must pick for the Raiders, especially when Al Davis haven't shown any historical tendency of having the patience to develop quarterbacks.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

Why is it a waste of a pick if Walter pans out? Then you have two good young QBs, a situation every team would envy. Just because you have a *possible* future option at a position doesnt mean its a waste to select a guy you think will be a stud at the same position. If Walter had been practicing all year and looking great, eliciting comments from the coaching staff about how lucky they are and soon he will take over, then I would agree, no need to take Young, you've got your guy. But that isnt what happened. Walter was hurt, he's still basically a rookie. I wouldnt pass on a talent like Young just because Walter *might* pan out.

Yeah, but couldn't the same thing be said about the Packers or the Jets? Favre might still retire and how do they know that Rodgers is going to pan out. The Jets have a broken, limp armed, overpaid guy in Pennington and a big question mark with Ramsey. If Young is such a screaming NFL talent value at number 7 for the Raiders, why is he not a very good possibility of going at 4 or 5? How can he slip past those teams but be a must pick for the Raiders, especially when Al Davis haven't shown any historical tendency of having the patience to develop quarterbacks.

Because Brick/Mario/Hawk should be there for the Jets and Pack. If its a choice between one of them and Young, the debate changes. If Young falls to 7, I highly doubt any of those guys will be there. I think there is a drop to the Justice/Huff/Ngata tier from those guys.That being said, I wont knock them if they do take Young at 4 or 5.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm really high on Walter. I believe he'll be one of those players who'll be better in the pros than he was in college. It happens. He's got a howitzer for an arm & is more mobile than people think (not a runner, but he moves pretty well in the pocket).

Yeah, Walter tends to make mistakes & doesn't throw for a high percentage, but good coaching can cure most of his shortcomimgs. Cutler is another player who'll make a better pro than collegian. In fact, those two remind me of each other (Cutler is a better athlete, though).

Anyway, I'll be shocked if Oakland takes a QB on day-1. They already have their guy & they know it, IMO.

 

[Bruno2]

I too will be shocked if the Raiders take a QB on the first day. I believe they want to give Walter a shot, he seems to be a prototypical Raiders QB, Brooks is just a band-aid (or turnaquet(sp?)) until Walter is ready to step in. I expect Walter will see alot of action this preseason, it will be interesting to see how well he does. As far as taking V.Davis if he falls, I think it would be tempting but they should stick to their needs on defense and OL. Courtney Anderson has played pretty well when healthy, so much so, that they let two former 2nd rounders Jolley and Teyo go. Sure they aren't studs at TE by any means but Anderson is a promising young TE, which IMO doen't make TE a need pick for them. I would be happy with Justice but I would like to see them add a playmaker on a defense that has no leadership. A guy like Hawk would be great (not even considering Williams anymore). Ngata makes sense too with the loss of Ted Washington they could use someone to clog up the middle. I also like Huff but Al has had bad luck drafting safties in the first round (Bates, Gibson) so he might shy away from him, although I think Huff would make an excellent addition to their weak secondary. Finally, with Davis' love for speed, it's possible they could trade down and and go after a speedy DB like Tye Hill. Who knows the Raiders might surprise us all, and sell the farm and take Reggie Bush, they've done crazier things, picking Janikowski comes to mind.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I've been hoping for the last week that Oakland goes Justice and slides Sims inside. It also fits Al's love of big linemen, measurables, and USC players. They can then focus the rest of the draft on D.

I could see Justice or Huff being the pick here. I think that taking a QB is a mistake and wasting your 3rd round pick from a year ago when he seems to have a chance to be a very good QB in this league...

Why is it a waste of a pick if Walter pans out? Then you have two good young QBs, a situation every team would envy. Just because you have a *possible* future option at a position doesnt mean its a waste to select a guy you think will be a stud at the same position. If Walter had been practicing all year and looking great, eliciting comments from the coaching staff about how lucky they are and soon he will take over, then I would agree, no need to take Young, you've got your guy. But that isnt what happened. Walter was hurt, he's still basically a rookie. I wouldnt pass on a talent like Young just because Walter *might* pan out.

Yeah, but couldn't the same thing be said about the Packers or the Jets? Favre might still retire and how do they know that Rodgers is going to pan out. The Jets have a broken, limp armed, overpaid guy in Pennington and a big question mark with Ramsey. If Young is such a screaming NFL talent value at number 7 for the Raiders, why is he not a very good possibility of going at 4 or 5? How can he slip past those teams but be a must pick for the Raiders, especially when Al Davis haven't shown any historical tendency of having the patience to develop quarterbacks.

Using the arguement of the Jets and Packers isn't the same as the Raiders as both of those teams have MORE questions at QB than the Raiders do. The Jets have a Pennington who's been hurt with a MAJOR injury the last two years to his throwing shoulder and Ramsey who hasn't shown much in a couple of opportunities in Washington. The Packers have only Rodgers if they lose Favre to retirement. So, the Packers have one QB, an overrated rookie IMO, and the Jets have damaged goods and a never was. I see more with the Raiders in Walter, who I rate higher than Rodgers and a good fit with their team; and Brooks who has been productive in the NFL and is great insurance for Walter as a backup. I don't think Brooks is starter material, but he clearly is better than anyone on the Jets or Packers if Favre retires.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Because when your team has so many other holes at key positions, you can't afford to keep picking players at positions you have filled.

I agree that they have a lot of holes. I dont agree that QB is filled (for the long haul).For me, it comes down to this. QBs of Young's talent don't come along in every draft. When they do, they are often top 5 picks. When you can someone like Young outside of the top 5 (no insane signing bonus), and you dont already have a franchise QB, you take him.

A great debate though, and your position is completely valid and sound.

Agreed, good debate...I think it comes down to you being real high on Young and me being real high on Walter....