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I Feel Like Our Lives Have Become One Big Grievance Lecture, or Harangue, If You Will (1 Viewer)

I agree. I feel like some just search things out to be outraged about.  It's so subconcious they don't even realize they are doing it.  The are addicted to the chemical reaction the outrage creates in their body. 

I am a movie and tv buff and I can't remember the last time I felt like there was any politics in anything I watched.  I just finished a terrific movie called The Dry.  
Your not wrong on this point. This is 99% of what Twitter has become in the last 5 years (and to a lesser extent Facebook and social.media in general). People get high off the outrage. 

People get outraged by ridiculous things and normal human beings can't help but refute the outrageous claims instead of ignoring them. It's a reflex and I admit to having caught myself many a time going back and forth before realizing "what am I doing arguing with an idiot who I'll never meet in real life."

Like with all things, experience and maturity comes with time. Things that upset me 5-6 years ago I usually let go now. Doesn't mean I still don't get upset at new things though. It's a constant struggle. 

 
Your not wrong on this point. This is 99% of what Twitter has become in the last 5 years (and to a lesser extent Facebook and social.media in general). People get high off the outrage. 

People get outraged by ridiculous things and normal human beings can't help but refute the outrageous claims instead of ignoring them. It's a reflex and I admit to having caught myself many a time going back and forth before realizing "what am I doing arguing with an idiot who I'll never meet in real life."

Like with all things, experience and maturity comes with time. Things that upset me 5-6 years ago I usually let go now. Doesn't mean I still don't get upset at new things though. It's a constant struggle. 
It's a struggle for all of us.

The easy thing is to just stay away from those platforms for me

If you want to prove a point link an npr article or something from New Scientist.  Otherwise I'm not clicking it.  I'm not giving them the attention and the clicks

But as you stated, it's a constant struggle

 
Sometimes I really envy people who don't have internet access.


Just be thankful you live in a bubble.

Movies and shows can't just be bad anymore. We can't criticize a film for forced plot points, bad acting and lack of cohesion. If we do it means we're racist, sexist homophobes not that we just didn't like a bad movie. And these accusations don't come from other fans. They come from the studios, writers and directors themselves. If you don't like them ####ting all over your favorite franchises with their political agendas and nonsensical plots, then clearly it's because the fans are the problem.


Honestly, I think 90% of the problem is SM and the news consumed.  


Like I said, I think most of what you are talking about is a social media problem.  What I thought you meant is that I thought that you felt the directors themselves are force feeding politics into most movies and shows that you watch.   I was wondering if that was what you are saying.  I fully get it if you are talking about Twitter and FB blowing up because somebody said something about SW and then it getting twisted and turned into a pissing match about being sexist b/c there is female leads now, or some nonsense.  

 
Your not wrong on this point. This is 99% of what Twitter has become in the last 5 years (and to a lesser extent Facebook and social.media in general). People get high off the outrage. 

People get outraged by ridiculous things and normal human beings can't help but refute the outrageous claims instead of ignoring them. It's a reflex and I admit to having caught myself many a time going back and forth before realizing "what am I doing arguing with an idiot who I'll never meet in real life."

Like with all things, experience and maturity comes with time. Things that upset me 5-6 years ago I usually let go now. Doesn't mean I still don't get upset at new things though. It's a constant struggle. 
Also, I can fully get that if you are bombarded this this #### daily on SM, and then try to relax and watch a movie or sports and there is one mention of something political it would be the cherry on top of a ####ty politics sundae.   Somebody not bombarded with the other stuff would probably be able to shrug off that one comment on TV or sports.  (especially if they are more likely to agree with said comment in the first place). 

 
Also, I can fully get that if you are bombarded this this #### daily on SM, and then try to relax and watch a movie or sports and there is one mention of something political it would be the cherry on top of a ####ty politics sundae.   Somebody not bombarded with the other stuff would probably be able to shrug off that one comment on TV or sports.  (especially if they are more likely to agree with said comment in the first place). 
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/culture-shrink/201508/angers-allure-are-you-addicted-anger

Human neurobiology rewards anger

Once you get in the loop you are literally chemically addicted to it.  It changes gene expression to support the outrage

I have a friend that sees politics in everything and is just so mad about everything and he mentions movies and I think, I just watched that I can't even understand how you are extrapolating that into politics

 
Like I said, I think most of what you are talking about is a social media problem.  What I thought you meant is that I thought that you felt the directors themselves are force feeding politics into most movies and shows that you watch.   I was wondering if that was what you are saying.  I fully get it if you are talking about Twitter and FB blowing up because somebody said something about SW and then it getting twisted and turned into a pissing match about being sexist b/c there is female leads now, or some nonsense.  
This is also true though. This video is about canon but it also encapsulates the problems with modern entertainment media.

https://youtu.be/mAmJ52dtQl0

 
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you're all being played. ever since MadAve & electronic media discovered that outrage is as effective as sex in priming the human pump for receptiveness to marketing, we've become ever more "political", contentious, scorechecking. ever since the invention of the "like" button, our delivery systems became based upon developing nests of confirmation bias for every consumer. information networks on cable which must fill 24 hours of daily airtime without actual reporters, set the agendas and start the talk. we finish for em, buying all their products & constructs in between. turn your devices off and the politics is "that fence is broken", "there really should be a crosswalk there" "my daughter can't find a job". Communism is dead. Capitalism is dead. Suckerism is here.

 
you're all being played. ever since MadAve & electronic media discovered that outrage is as effective as sex in priming the human pump for receptiveness to marketing, we've become ever more "political", contentious, scorechecking. ever since the invention of the "like" button, our delivery systems became based upon developing nests of confirmation bias for every consumer. information networks on cable which must fill 24 hours of daily airtime without actual reporters, set the agendas and start the talk. we finish for em, buying all their products & constructs in between. turn your devices off and the politics is "that fence is broken", "there really should be a crosswalk there" "my daughter can't find a job". Communism is dead. Capitalism is dead. Suckerism is here.
Exactly. They are doing this on purpose and we all fell right into the trap

As i posted above, angry is addictive.  It is a great way to drive behaviors

 
Your not wrong on this point. This is 99% of what Twitter has become in the last 5 years (and to a lesser extent Facebook and social.media in general). People get high off the outrage. 

People get outraged by ridiculous things and normal human beings can't help but refute the outrageous claims instead of ignoring them. It's a reflex and I admit to having caught myself many a time going back and forth before realizing "what am I doing arguing with an idiot who I'll never meet in real life."

Like with all things, experience and maturity comes with time. Things that upset me 5-6 years ago I usually let go now. Doesn't mean I still don't get upset at new things though. It's a constant struggle. 
But there’s more to it.  Humans have an inherent need to belong and to be purposeful - which is awesome.  They are just choosing the wrong battles.

 
Anyone saying they're not getting sports on the daily doesn't have this guy on their Twitter football feed (I do.) This was my neat-o finding today.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2021/04/15/if-brett-favre-wants-politics-out-of-sports-he-should-heed-his-own-words/


Hasn't sports almost always brushed up against politics; particularly when there are significant political events happening in the world?  

Black Power at the Olympics, Munich Massacre, Battle of the Sexes, Miracle on Ice, American Boycott, Soviet Boycott, 9/11 World Series.....all unbeliveably big (and I know I'm missing others) moments that sports and politics collided in.

There's also the people(which I know I'm missing a ton of others)... Jackie Robinson, Bill Walton, Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Arthur Ashe, Pat Tillman....all made political statements in the sports realm.  

There might have been an idyllic moment in our lives (presumably in our youth when we didn't pay attention to such things) when we didn't think sports/politics were intertwined...... but we're adults now.  Hard questions are going to be asked at inconvienent times.....and to turtle up (or just scream "JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME!)  seems very obtuse.  

 
and to turtle up (or just scream "JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME!)  seems very obtuse. 
It's not being obtuse. As a matter of fact, the specific instances and times you're listing have been times where a generation thought it important enough to personalize sports or to "make statements," both in and out of sport. That's, for the most part, endemic to a particular time and a particular set of ideals. Namely, the Boomers and that particular era began the personalization of the political within sports and ran with it. Aside from overt racial injustice finding itself manifest in sport (the admittedly political questions of whether people of certain races could participate and where should we house them) that's where we see the main complainants and activism throughout our history and those are the effects of this Boomer personalization of causes near and dear to each individual athletic heart.

It's not "turtling up" to say that one prefers that issues that are merely adjacent to the athlete's profession remain unspoken during the event, it's asking maybe something different of our handsomely paid gladiatorial class whereby we ask the gladiators not to attempt to shape law, but to leave that to citizens, of which they are among and surely have as many as the same rights secured. (Plato would argue differently about his warrior class and citizenship in The Republic, opting for even more restrictions on the warrior or military class of peoples. These things and notions used to be taught in school.) As for the modern athlete, I'm sure it's always tempting for the athlete to view him- or herself as speaking for a larger cause, and he or she certainly has that pulpit because of media fascination and the fishbowl that the athlete lives in, but my ability to turn them off is just as keen as their ability to beam a million unwanted political messages into my living room.

In case people think, like Farrar does, that this comes from my disagreement with the leftist notions of the athlete agitating for change, please note I wouldn't lose one wink if the anthem wasn't played, flyovers weren't had, or the huge, stadium length flags weren't unfurled at the drop of a hat, either. Consider this an equal opportunity to rid that which could be a little more pure (sport) of the attendant military and domestic claptrap that now pervades it every step of the way. Give me the Washington Football Team's name and the Nittany Lions home jerseys. Let's get back to sport over personality and, more broadly, that the essence of our personality as a political being need be assuaged at all times.

 
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Now for a more serious response: 

Blacks have been treated like #### by this country for three centuries. Though it’s much better today (thanks mostly to their own efforts), they still get treated like #### by police. They have grievance and it’s justified. And until police stop treating them like #### that grievance isn’t going away. If you’re worried about the grievance then you need to help deal with what’s causing it. 
If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

That's so Boomer. OK Boomer.

 
It's appeared to me, lately, that you can't escape the relentless politicization of everything.
This thread really spoke to me, but in its most simplistic terms I disagree about an inability to escape its grip. For most (?) of us anyway. Each individual is responsible for their own consumption habits, so if one finds themselves in a pool of content they don't want to be swimming in then it's on them to adapt. Either go to a different pool or drown - choice is theirs.

 
This thread really spoke to me, but in its most simplistic terms I disagree about an inability to escape its grip. For most (?) of us anyway. Each individual is responsible for their own consumption habits, so if one finds themselves in a pool of content they don't want to be swimming in then it's on them to adapt. Either go to a different pool or drown - choice is theirs.
I guess it's different when you're trying to construct a fantasy football sort of feed from the ground up and you keep getting overt and coded political messages along with it. But that's just par for the course, and something I've noticed that's going on in a lot of our internet lives. But let's drop that aspect of it and concentrate not just on consumption habits, which is why I merely included sports and entertainment, but about political intrusion into work and family, too, two things essential for just being. The modern-day politicization of those endeavors was unthinkable a while back. This isn't a desire to go back to Pleasantville or Wandavision pre-color, it's a desire to maybe not have so much agitation personally, which I think is a product of the late sixties -- and especially the early seventies -- where the more radical among us, especially communists and Marxists, decided to attack the American personal sphere in order to mess up the system from the ground up, as it were, something they seem ultra successful in doing, actually.

The relentless politicization (and federalization, given our political climate) of every personal occurrence is a disaster for our personal lives, IMO. We're not (as a whole, not as particular people) necessarily equipped to deal with the abstract reasoning that's required to solve a whole lot of complex issues that involve a totality of things, like racism, say.

Take that, for instance. The majority of people just don't have the capability to think about all the nuances and things set in place by the racial demarcation of yore. Housing, schooling, all of that gets upended and implicated when race is brought up. It's a very far-reaching and personal thing, the "solutions" for racism, that is. We can't reconstruct an entire system predicated upon the separation of whites and blacks for a long part of our history. And our attendant wishes to do so result in grievances only alleviated by the most fundamental overhauls of systems possible. You think @timschochetis going, for all his haranguing about race lately, to give up his rental properties or want low-income housing moving in next door? ####, no. Imagine if he were a residential landlord. These are damn nigh intractable problems. You'd have to call for massive, massive redistributions, redistricting, rehousing, re-everything. There'd be close to a real war (think of the busing riots in the seventies) with real blood should that come to pass any time within the next hundred years. That's impossible. I mean, we're beginning to get to civil war and sustained riot levels we haven't seen since '68. Call that melodramatic, but I do know this: We can't handle a shooting in Minnesota as a collective nation with all its attendant national effects these days. It just isn't working. We're cancelling everything because one person got shot in a local act of misfeasance because of the nebulous belief that this local misfeasance is indicative of a broader and pernicious problem that is not quantifiable. That can't be the case for a functioning government or a functioning society. The not quantifiable can't be redressed. It spins and rotates its way into other spheres of life. The only way to solve it is by totalitarianism, properly understood as addressing the root causes and totality of the problem. It's impossible.

So where does that leave us? I don't know, but my point is, it's not just consumption or entertainment. This is coming to a micro level. How deep it goes is the question we're going to have to answer. I'd prefer that we address less nebulous issues, like police unions or police militarization or civilian oversight. That at least gives us tangible goals, tangible things other than uprooting an entire system. That's when the damn communists among us win.

 
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The relentless politicization (and federalization, given our political climate) of every personal occurrence is a disaster for our personal lives, IMO. We're not (as a whole, not as particular people) necessarily equipped to deal with the abstract reasoning that's required to solve a whole lot of complex issues that involve a totality of things, like racism, say.

So where does that leave us? I don't know, but my point is, it's not just consumption or entertainment. This is coming to a micro level. How deep it goes is the question we're going to have to answer. I'd prefer that we address less nebulous issues, like police unions or police militarization or civilian oversight. That at least gives us tangible goals, tangible things other than uprooting an entire system. 
A lot of great content in that post, but I want to highlight these portions specifically. There is a meaningful segment of the population that understands the first part, which is why the second part is the answer. Reasonable voices just don't have a place in current society, so despite there being many of them they're currently muted. If we strive for reasonableness then more of us must start being reasonable - in both our words and actions. Otherwise, nothing's changing.

 
I think it’s a different topic when we are talking about oppression - which is a lot of the emphasis from sports - and I am all good with that

i don’t blame them for the need to stomp out oppression - I blame the oppressors and racists and other idiots

 

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