I had a crazy weird dream... (1 Viewer)

[rizzler]

Ok, so I'll preface this by saying that regardless of last night's dream, my mind 95% of the time focuses on banging women I have zero chance at.

But this dream was different...

I was sitting with Bill Belichick, and we were discussing how NE was on the verge of a collapse, as Tom Brady was set to retire in a couple years, and he wanted one last "dynasty run" of 2-3 SBs. After discussing the issues, we both concluded that the running game was a shambles, and even though NE had won their previous SBs with a lame running game, times have changed and they needed to get wild in the backfield to take pressure off Brady as well as control the clock.

Anyways, long story short... Bill says that they're going after Ben Tate, and basically have him locked up to sign (compensation wasnt discussed, it was a damn dream), as Houston was willing to part ways for some nice draft picks.

So this got me thinking:

a) my love for Foster is out of control (regardless of this, Id like to see Tate stay and continue his current role)

But most importantly,



b) does anyone think there is any chance, or better yet, why wouldn't NE make a push for a RB like Tate who is in a situation where they likely may not see the starting role for years, yet clearly have the potential to be a high end RB commodity?

Yes, I know NE's greatest issue is the Defense, and not the running game... But let's call a spade a spade... that running game is weak. Opposing defenses have zero respect for it. NE stands plenty to gain by having a much improved RB doing a lot of the damage..

So... why not?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I was sitting with Bill Belichick, and we were discussing how NE was on the verge of a collapse, as Tom Brady was set to retire in a couple years, and he wanted one last "dynasty run" of 2-3 SBs. After discussing the issues, we both concluded that the running game was a shambles, and even though NE had won their previous SBs with a lame running game, times have changed and they needed to get wild in the backfield to take pressure off Brady as well as control the clock.

It's fairly obvious that you don't remember much about the Patriots' Super Bowl winning teams.

 

[jonboltz]

So... why not?

NFL coaches and general managers don't care about fantasy football.

 

[rizzler]

I was sitting with Bill Belichick, and we were discussing how NE was on the verge of a collapse, as Tom Brady was set to retire in a couple years, and he wanted one last "dynasty run" of 2-3 SBs. After discussing the issues, we both concluded that the running game was a shambles, and even though NE had won their previous SBs with a lame running game, times have changed and they needed to get wild in the backfield to take pressure off Brady as well as control the clock.

It's fairly obvious that you don't remember much about the Patriots' Super Bowl winning teams.

actually you're half right... I forgot how well Dillon did in 04.

 

[rizzler]

So... why not?

NFL coaches and general managers don't care about fantasy football.

What does having a true RB in your backfield have to do with Fantasy Football?I'm talking real football here.

 

[jonboltz]

So... why not?

NFL coaches and general managers don't care about fantasy football.

What does having a true RB in your backfield have to do with Fantasy Football?I'm talking real football here.

I really don't mean offense, but it will likely come off as such...but your initial post reeked of someone that plays fantasy football and doesn't know much about how the NFL works.But if you want a concrete answer of why your initial question was rediculous, consider the following: what team is likely the biggest threat to Houston getting to the Superbowl?

 

[rizzler]

I really don't mean offense, but it will likely come off as such...but your initial post reeked of someone that plays fantasy football and doesn't know much about how the NFL works.

But if you want a concrete answer of why your initial question was rediculous, consider the following: what team is likely the biggest threat to Houston getting to the Superbowl?

Well then, no offense either, your reading comprehension needs improvement.I never said it had to be Ben Tate, merely that it would be a player in a situation like Tate.

Since Tate was the player in my dream, he was the player I named.

Could easily have been Jonathan Stewart

 

[griff321]

I really don't mean offense, but it will likely come off as such...but your initial post reeked of someone that plays fantasy football and doesn't know much about how the NFL works.

But if you want a concrete answer of why your initial question was rediculous, consider the following: what team is likely the biggest threat to Houston getting to the Superbowl?

Well then, no offense either, your reading comprehension needs improvement.I never said it had to be Ben Tate, merely that it would be a player in a situation like Tate.

Since Tate was the player in my dream, he was the player I named.

Could easily have been Jonathan Stewart

Your dreams are a pit of lies meant to distract you from the real truth that as a real mad scientist BB understands you don't need a running game to win a championship. The game has evolved since his previous championships and his efforts have reflected that. He does have the best TE tandem in the league, Woodhead hasn't exactly been Sproles like, and Ocho is well..Ocho.

 

[CalBear]

b) does anyone think there is any chance, or better yet, why wouldn't NE make a push for a RB like Tate who is in a situation where they likely may not see the starting role for years, yet clearly have the potential to be a high end RB commodity?

The Pats just used two high draft picks on RBs. They have the #2 offense in the league. Very little chance they think they have a reason to go after someone else's backup RB.

 

[rizzler]

b) does anyone think there is any chance, or better yet, why wouldn't NE make a push for a RB like Tate who is in a situation where they likely may not see the starting role for years, yet clearly have the potential to be a high end RB commodity?

The Pats just used two high draft picks on RBs. They have the #2 offense in the league. Very little chance they think they have a reason to go after someone else's backup RB.

I understand all of this. I guess my point was a "proven" nfl commodity.

Defense, as I stated earlier, is definitely their major issue, and should be the main focus. But a dream is a dream... And much like most dreams of plugging a smokeshow of a woman, I just can't get the idea out of my head.

 

[nysportsfan]

Go to sleep and dream about the Pats finding a defense. I will go to sleep and dream about the Jets finding an offense.

Their offense is ok and can certainly score with anyone.

 

[rizzler]

Go to sleep and dream about the Pats finding a defense. I will go to sleep and dream about the Jets finding an offense.Their offense is ok and can certainly score with anyone.

as a Browns fan, I don't have the energy to dream of both a O and D

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Go to sleep and dream about the Pats finding a defense. I will go to sleep and dream about the Jets finding an offense.Their offense is ok and can certainly score with anyone.

as a Browns fan, I don't have the energy to dream of both a O and D

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I was sitting with Bill Belichick, and we were discussing how NE was on the verge of a collapse, as Tom Brady was set to retire in a couple years, and he wanted one last "dynasty run" of 2-3 SBs. After discussing the issues, we both concluded that the running game was a shambles, and even though NE had won their previous SBs with a lame running game, times have changed and they needed to get wild in the backfield to take pressure off Brady as well as control the clock.

It's fairly obvious that you don't remember much about the Patriots' Super Bowl winning teams.

actually you're half right... I forgot how well Dillon did in 04.

Antoine Smith wasn't all that bad either - not exciting, but a workhorse they heavily relied on. In fact it was the passing game that was "lame" in 2001.

 

[Sweet Love]

b) does anyone think there is any chance, or better yet, why wouldn't NE make a push for a RB like Tate who is in a situation where they likely may not see the starting role for years, yet clearly have the potential to be a high end RB commodity?

The Pats just used two high draft picks on RBs. They have the #2 offense in the league. Very little chance they think they have a reason to go after someone else's backup RB.

I understand all of this. I guess my point was a "proven" nfl commodity.

Defense, as I stated earlier, is definitely their major issue, and should be the main focus. But a dream is a dream... And much like most dreams of plugging a smokeshow of a woman, I just can't get the idea out of my head.

I'll take it a step further and say ANY contending team with a weak RB group (which the Pats really are not) might want to make that trade, but teams understand you can't have too many good RBs. Remember at the beginning of the year when the Raiders drafted Taiwan Jones and people thought that would be a wasteland for him? He is now a Michael Bush injury away from starting for a divisional contender. Also, cheap back ups are a luxury and a necessity for contending teams so they can fit under the cap. Why would Houston want to trade Tate, especially when they used him so much? Finally, what type of player could the Pats offer in return (because Houston is in win now mode, not rebuild)? The Pats are quite top heavy on talent and then the cupboard wears pretty thin. They won't get a Wilfork or Light-type player back, so I am not sure how it helps Houston. I really think Houston needs Tate more than the Pats do. Plus, even a team like Carolina needs those RBs as Goodson is now out for the year and one more injury and they are down to one guy and nothing of worth behind him. Heck one week ago, the Jets had 4 backs and they may be down to 2 next week.

 

[captain_amazing]

b) does anyone think there is any chance, or better yet, why wouldn't NE make a push for a RB like Tate who is in a situation where they likely may not see the starting role for years, yet clearly have the potential to be a high end RB commodity?

The Pats just used two high draft picks on RBs. They have the #2 offense in the league. Very little chance they think they have a reason to go after someone else's backup RB.

I understand all of this. I guess my point was a "proven" nfl commodity.

Defense, as I stated earlier, is definitely their major issue, and should be the main focus. But a dream is a dream... And much like most dreams of plugging a smokeshow of a woman, I just can't get the idea out of my head.

Thinking of this statement, I dug up BJGE's 2010 and current 2011 stats, and dug up stats for the top 30 RBS in ATT for 2010 and this year. BJGE

                	Rush                	Rec   			Year  	Tm  No.  G GS  Att  Yds TD Y/A  Y/G  A/G  Rec Yds Y/R Fmb2010 	NWE  42 16 11  229 1008 13 4.4 63.0 14.3   12  85 7.1   02011 	NWE  42  9  4  116  460  5 4.0 51.1 12.9   5   49 9.8   0   2011*   NWE  43 16  7  206  818  9 4.0 51.1 12.9   8   87 9.8   0*Projected based on current numbers

Top 30 RBs (ranked by most ATT)

   							-----------------------Rushing----------------------	-------------------Receiving-------------------------    	Age 	G   	GS  	Att  	Yds   	TD  	Lng 	Y/A ?   Y/G 	A/G 	Rec 	Yds  	Y/R 	TD  	Lng 	R/G 	Y/G 	YScm  	RRTD	Fmb2010	25.3	15.2	12.0	245.1	1056.3 	7.1	51.0 	4.3	69.7	16.1	37.0	311.3 	8.2 	1.1	37.7 	2.5	20.7	1367.6 	8.1 	3.22011	25.6 	8.5 	6.7	136.1 	617.7 	4.3	44.8 	4.5	72.7	16.1	18.9	165.2 	8.2 	0.5	26.7 	2.2	19.4 	782.9 	4.8 	1.5

I would argue BJGE is a proven consistent starting RB. This year may not reflect that statement as well - however, I'd attribute that more to his nagging toe injury than anything (including more healthy bodies in the RBBC - although, that hasn't had the impact I think most would expect it would have, as BJGE is on pace to have only under 23 attempts). With Kevin Faulk back and healthy, I would expect BJGE to lose a few more carries too.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Why would Houston part with an asset they have locked up on a 2nd round rookie contract for the next three(?) years? High performing first-contract players are how you win in the NFL IMO. They're cheap vs production.

 

[Warrior]

Just to set this particular example straight...Ben Tate isn't that good (at least not yet)...that's all the Houston O-Line. Put him in any other offense and he's only decent.

Bill Belichick understands this.

As for other examples, you don't do a trade in the NFL by pressing a 'propose trade' button. There are salary concerns, system concerns, all kinds of other concerns that most of us would never dream of. That's why 99% of the trades that would benefit two teams don't end up happening. Take an apple off one team and he'll be an orange on another.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just to set this particular example straight...Ben Tate isn't that good (at least not yet)...that's all the Houston O-Line. Put him in any other offense and he's only decent.Bill Belichick understands this.As for other examples, you don't do a trade in the NFL by pressing a 'propose trade' button. There are salary concerns, system concerns, all kinds of other concerns that most of us would never dream of. That's why 99% of the trades that would benefit two teams don't end up happening. Take an apple off one team and he'll be an orange on another.

I agree. Lots of people panned Houston for selecting Tate because he was pretty robotic. I'm not sure he's any better than Ridley or Vereen.

 

[shadyridr]

you have an unhealthy obsession with foster and tate