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I know, wrong forum, but AROD TESTED POSITIVE FOR ROIDS in 03 (1 Viewer)

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In 2003, when he won the American League home run title and the AL Most Valuable Player award as a shortstop for the Texas Rangers, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids, four sources have independently told Sports Illustrated.

Rodriguez's name appears on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's '03 survey testing, SI's sources say. As part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association, the testing was conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004.

When approached by an SI reporter on Thursday at a gym in Miami, Rodriguez declined to discuss his 2003 test results. "You'll have to talk to the union," said Rodriguez, the Yankees' third baseman since his trade to New York in February 2004. When asked if there was an explanation for his positive test, he said, "I'm not saying anything."

Phone messages left by SI for players' union executive director Donald Fehr were not returned.

Though MLB's drug policy has expressly prohibited the use of steroids without a valid prescription since 1991, there were no penalties for a positive test in 2003. The results of that year's survey testing of 1,198 players were meant to be anonymous under the agreement between the commissioner's office and the players association. Rodriguez's testing information was found, however, after federal agents, armed with search warrants, seized the '03 test results from Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc., of Long Beach, Calif., one of two labs used by MLB in connection with that year's survey testing. The seizure took place in April 2004 as part of the government's investigation into 10 major league players linked to the BALCO scandal -- though Rodriguez himself has never been connected to BALCO.

The list of the 104 players whose urine samples tested positive is under seal in California. However, two sources familiar with the evidence that the government has gathered in its investigation of steroid use in baseball and two other sources with knowledge of the testing results have told Sports Illustrated that Rodriguez is one of the 104 players identified as having tested positive, in his case for testosterone and an anabolic steroid known by the brand name Primobolan. All four sources spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the evidence.

Primobolan, which is also known by the chemical name methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug that is more expensive than most steroids. (A 12-week cycle can cost $500.) It improves strength and maintains lean muscle with minimal bulk development, according to steroid experts, and has relatively few side effects. Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets clubhouse employee who in 2007 pleaded guilty to illegal distribution of steroids to numerous major league players, described in his recent book, Bases Loaded: The Inside Story of the Steroid Era in Baseball by the Central Figure in the Mitchell Report, how players increasingly turned to drugs such as Primobolan in 2003, in part to avoid detection in testing. Primobolan is detectable for a shorter period of time than the steroid previously favored by players, Deca-Durabolin. According to a search of FDA records, Primobolan is not an approved prescription drug in the United States, nor was it in 2003. (Testosterone can be taken legally with an appropriate medical prescription.)

Rodriguez finished the 2003 season by winning his third straight league home run title (with 47) and the first of his three MVP awards.

Because more than 5% of big leaguers had tested positive in 2003, baseball instituted a mandatory random-testing program, with penalties, in '04. According to the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball, in September 2004, Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' union, violated an agreement with MLB by tipping off a player (not named in the report) about an upcoming, supposedly unannounced drug test. Three major league players who spoke to SI said that Rodriguez was also tipped by Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond on Thursday when asked about the warning Orza provided him.

When Orza was asked on Friday in the union's New York City office about the tipping allegations, he told a reporter, "I'm not interested in discussing this information with you."

Anticipating that the 33-year-old Rodriguez, who has 553 career home runs, could become the game's alltime home run king, the Yankees signed him in November 2007 to a 10-year, incentive-laden deal that could be worth as much as $305 million. Rodriguez is reportedly guaranteed $275 million and could receive a $6 million bonus each time he ties one of the four players at the top of the list: Willie Mays (660), Babe Ruth (714), Hank Aaron (755) and Barry Bonds (762), and an additional $6 million for passing Bonds. In order to receive the incentive money, the contract reportedly requires Rodriguez to make extra promotional appearances and sign memorabilia for the Yankees as part of a marketing plan surrounding his pursuit of Bonds's record. Two sources familiar with Rodriguez's contract told SI that there is no language about steroids in the contract that would put Rodriguez at risk of losing money.

Arguments before an 11-judge panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in Pasadena are ongoing between government prosecutors and the players' association over the government's seizure of the test results from the Long Beach lab. The agents who collected the material had a search warrant only for the results for the 10 BALCO-linked players. Attorneys from the union argue that the government is entitled only to the results for those players, not the entire list. If the court sides with the union, federal authorities may be barred from using the positive survey test results of non-BALCO players such as Rodriguez in their ongoing investigations.

 
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This just doesn't surprise me anymore. I'd be surprised if any elite baseball player—hell, any elite athlete—wasn't using steroids.

 
Why'd it take 6 years for this to come out?

Public scrutiny and media coverage could do wonders with roids in sports. Within 24 hours of a positive test, let it be released to the media. Have an 'official' site and list all offenders. Public outcry/booing/scorn along with the public boycotting all products/corporations that sponsor/endorse said athletes would cut down on steriod usage. IMO.

 
Why'd it take 6 years for this to come out?Public scrutiny and media coverage could do wonders with roids in sports. Within 24 hours of a positive test, let it be released to the media. Have an 'official' site and list all offenders. Public outcry/booing/scorn along with the public boycotting all products/corporations that sponsor/endorse said athletes would cut down on steriod usage. IMO.
I was thinking the same thing...why so long for this report to surface. MLB and Selig must have been hiding this report since the "darling" of MLB had been caught. Shame on MLB, and whoever knew that more players tested positive and tried to hide the evidence.
 
At least we now know the real reason he was called A-Fraud. I think the title of this thread (and any regarding him) needs adjusted. It's not really surprising at all.

 
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He got paid a quarter of a billion dollars to cheat and lie about it, and the Yankees and MLB knew he was doing it. That's pretty galling.

 
Guess Manny Ramirez is now cemented as the best pure hitter of this generation.

Until his scandal leaks.

 
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God bless guys like Griffey (I hope) and Manny (I think) who show that it is possible to put up unreal numbers and not be on teh juice.

 
God bless guys like Griffey (I hope) and Manny (I think) who show that it is possible to put up unreal numbers and not be on teh juice.
Yea, but i think many people last year were saying...God bless guys like Arod (I hope) and Clemens (I think) who show that it is possible to put up unreal numbers and not be on teh juice.
 
God bless guys like Griffey (I hope) and Manny (I think) who show that it is possible to put up unreal numbers and not be on teh juice.
I don't know if either one of them is clean, but I really feel bad for the guys who legitimately were clean and put up unreal numbers. They should be known as once in a generation players, and instead they're known as middle of the road guys where nobody's proven if they've done something. Even if their name were somehow cleared, they'd still never get the credit they deserved. It's a shame to see the best in the world do their absolute best and have their entire life's pursuit be tarnished by the stuff other people do.
 
What's the max HRs a totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut player could hit in today's game against totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut pitchers?

Remember in the 70s and 80s when 40 HRs and above was a freakish monster season? And high 30s commonly led leagues?

 
What's the max HRs a totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut player could hit in today's game against totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut pitchers?Remember in the 70s and 80s when 40 HRs and above was a freakish monster season? And high 30s commonly led leagues?
somewhere in the 50s IMHO...anything over 60 is very questionable, and most totals over 40 should be scrutinized.
 
Primobolan, which is also known by the chemical name methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug that is more expensive than most steroids. (A 12-week cycle can cost $500.) It improves strength and maintains lean muscle with minimal bulk development, according to steroid experts, and has relatively few side effects.
Huh. That explains a lot. So goes the "skinny guys are clean" assumption.Has Luis Gonzalez already been exposed or not? I forget.

 
What's the max HRs a totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut player could hit in today's game against totally clean, drug-free, organics-only health-nut pitchers?Remember in the 70s and 80s when 40 HRs and above was a freakish monster season? And high 30s commonly led leagues?
somewhere in the 50s IMHO...anything over 60 is very questionable, and most totals over 40 should be scrutinized.
Sounds about right ... George Foster's 52 in 1978 was probably maxing out his ability.IIRC, Cecil Fielder in 1990 (or 1991?) was benefitting from the beginning of the stadium-building boom, and there were some hitter-friendly parks that had recently hit the AL scene at the time.
 
He got paid a quarter of a billion dollars to cheat and lie about it, and the Yankees and MLB knew he was doing it. That's pretty galling.
How did the Yankees know, again? Let's not forget, he was a pretty huge target for the Red Sox the year the Yanks traded for him. Did they know too?Fred, I do agree with your no heart post. If I had no heart to worry about, I'd take the juice too.
 
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Why'd it take 6 years for this to come out?
Did you read the article?
Yes I did. I understand the reason why it took so long. I suppose I am just upset test results like this are not released to the general public on a regular basis. If baseball pulled back the curtain of deception, exposed the current warts, it would benefit everyone in the long run. As a matter of fact, I think the media and the public would give MLB a standing ovation. MLB audience has dwindled for more than a decade because of half-truths and deception. I think stark truth(along with a great PR company and a new commish) would actually improve MLB. :blackdot:

 
He got paid a quarter of a billion dollars to cheat and lie about it, and the Yankees and MLB knew he was doing it. That's pretty galling.
How did the Yankees know, again? Let's not forget, he was a pretty huge target for the Red Sox the year the Yanks traded for him. Did they know too?
Red Sox drove up the price for the cheater. Only thing they could do, really, once MLB let it be known that they weren't allowed to talk about the steroid test.
 
He got paid a quarter of a billion dollars to cheat and lie about it, and the Yankees and MLB knew he was doing it. That's pretty galling.
How did the Yankees know, again? Let's not forget, he was a pretty huge target for the Red Sox the year the Yanks traded for him. Did they know too?
Red Sox drove up the price for the cheater. Only thing they could do, really, once MLB let it be known that they weren't allowed to talk about the steroid test.
They "acquired" him then begged MLB to lower his contract. That is when the Yanks obtained him.
 

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