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"I personally struggle with the two choices here, because it's a question of what do you care about more: sunshine and joy and fun and money, or health, mental health, physical health,"
No, he's confused. It's the change itself that causes health issues. Switching to DST all the time keeps the joy and drops the health issues (so does keeping standard time, but standard time sucks - i want daylight later in the day and so do most Americans). It's a no brainer, so of course there is obfuscation at the highest levels. You just shake your head sometimes.
There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
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We tried it in the 70's and no one liked it. https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/...light-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/
Yea but people in the 70's were jerks
See I'm daylight savings time. I love the option of getting a round of golf in after working in the summer so I like it being light until 9:00. 7:30-8:00 summer sunsets seems too early to me. It's still light out at 5:00 am, at least in the northern part of the US. Winter would be brutal though so I get where you're coming fromThere is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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I'm up north and love morning light. I get up pretty early to get in a workout before my day really starts. Coffee on the front porch and then a run or ride with a sunrise is heaven to me.See I'm daylight savings time. I love the option of getting a round of golf in after working in the summer so I like it being light until 9:00. 7:30-8:00 summer sunsets seems too early to me. It's still light out at 5:00 am, at least in the northern part of the US. Winter would be brutal though so I get where you're coming fromThere is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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I agree. In Ohio the sun would rise at 9am in December if we went to permanent DST. At least for Ohio I like the time change.
Ohio is dumb though. They should just move to Central and get it over with.
Just move the starting times for schools to later. Kids need more sleep, anyway.
Unlike a lot of people while I don't love the time changes they don't drive me crazy, but losing DST in the summer would be horrible. If it was only based on my preference I'd go forward another hour from DST - I've been in places where the sunset is after 9:30PM and it is glorious.
This is the kind of Out of the Box thinking we at the Ministry strive to find around here
Ooooh. Double DST team unite!
I plan on throwing all clocks away once I retire
Half the time I don't even know what day it is
But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Can't argue with that. I know I'm in the minority. My wife goes to work really early and that means I'm up pretty early too. Over time i got used to it and now I'm solidly a morning person. In the summer the earlier the sun is up the better for a run or bike ride before the day even gets started. In the winter up north where I am it won't get light until 9-9:30 and these long cold dark winters are bad enough. That said, I'm ok either way as long as we stop changing the damn clocks and just leave it alone. That's more important to me than which one. Somebody just make a decision and I'll be good with either, but prefer standard time.But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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That’s the thing, we’d adjust and get used to whatever it is. Most people wouldn’t even think about it after a few years.
So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
I mean keep the system we have today with moving the clock back in November and forward in March, no solution is perfect but this allows the kids not to wait in the dark and people to enjoy extra time for most of the year for outdoor activities, while only having to deal w/ a minor inconvenience twice a year.If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
I hear you, and this isn’t a hill I’d die on. But the increased risk with the time change is real.I mean keep the system we have today with moving the clock back in November and forward in March, no solution is perfect but this allows the kids not to wait in the dark and people to enjoy extra time for most of the year for outdoor activities, while only having to deal w/ a minor inconvenience twice a year.If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
Same. I retired at the end of last year and it takes me a few seconds/minutes/hours when I wake up to figure out what day it is.
I'm sure this was discussed above but what is the risk?I hear you, and this isn’t a hill I’d die on. But the increased risk with the time change is real.I mean keep the system we have today with moving the clock back in November and forward in March, no solution is perfect but this allows the kids not to wait in the dark and people to enjoy extra time for most of the year for outdoor activities, while only having to deal w/ a minor inconvenience twice a year.If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
And give up our 9:15 summer sunsets? Get outta here
I'm sure this was discussed above but what is the risk?I hear you, and this isn’t a hill I’d die on. But the increased risk with the time change is real.I mean keep the system we have today with moving the clock back in November and forward in March, no solution is perfect but this allows the kids not to wait in the dark and people to enjoy extra time for most of the year for outdoor activities, while only having to deal w/ a minor inconvenience twice a year.If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
Even if we assume the studies are flawed, most people lose sleep when you set the clocks forward. Less sleep has been proven to increase risk.I'm sure this was discussed above but what is the risk?I hear you, and this isn’t a hill I’d die on. But the increased risk with the time change is real.I mean keep the system we have today with moving the clock back in November and forward in March, no solution is perfect but this allows the kids not to wait in the dark and people to enjoy extra time for most of the year for outdoor activities, while only having to deal w/ a minor inconvenience twice a year.If you mean DST, sure (And stop calling it that). The change is what irritates people and increased risk.So seems like should keep things as they are then...But less time in the evening for physical activity. And how many people go outside and walk or sit in the sun in the morning, most people are getting ready for work 5 out of the 7 days.There is some evidence that increased morning sunlight can improve sleep via setting and maintaining circadian rhythm. So while the change is the biggest factor, keeping standard time does have an added health advantage. I believe the comments quoted in the link were made after a professor had testified to those benefits.
I'm also a morning person and if put to a vote I'm going with standard time everytime.
ETA snippet from the professor at the hearing and the comments the above quote were in response to:
"Dr. Johnson is a professor of neurology at UMass Chan School of Medicine-Baystate and medical director of the Baystate Health Regional Sleep Program in Springfield, Massachusetts. She is vice president of Save Standard Time, a volunteer nonprofit advocating for permanent standard time. She is also a member of the AASM Advocacy Committee and sleep section chair of the American Academy of Neurology."
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Not to mention kids waiting for the school bus.
If it's the same studies posted earlier in this thread it's some flimsy cherry picked studies about more accidents etc around the time change, that fail to account for the fact that they intentionally extended out the period of the study to include St Patrick's Day (highest accident day of the year, for obvious reasons), and also that those kind of things tend to follow a predictable pattern throughout various times of the entire year where spring is one of the times that naturally sees more of those occurrences anyway.
Is DST optional?
Have you never had difficulty falling asleep an hour earlier than usual? Some people need to wake up in the morning at a set time, and kids can make going to bed an hour earlier harder even if you have the flexibility.
False equivalence. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch sports events or stay up late to celebrate New Years. DST is forced. Regardless off whether you go to bed at the same time and get up at the same time following the change, your body clock needs to adjust and that can take days or weeks. It isn’t just about that one hour lost on the day it switches. Speaking from experience, it wrecks me for days as well as my kids. It’s dumb and not necessary. An antiquated system that needs to go away.
I get that view but the argument is the safety of kids waiting for the bus and going to school in the dark warrants the changing back and forth, and the extra time that daylight savings time provides in the summer makes that time of year much more enjoyable. So there's a trade off no matter which option you choose, and to me the flipping back and forth seems like a small inconvenience. But I get everyone prioritizes things differently so there's going to be a contingent that prefers each option.
That’s the thing. The benefit, IMO, doesn’t outweigh the cost. You disagree, cool.
But then we have the problem of pushing back work times for parents. Or trying to find other solutions for that issue.
Has nobody pointed out yet that this is the only time it happens to every single person at once, and that's what really causes problems? Yes, lack of sleep always is an issue.
