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I see (feel, smell, sense, etc.) dead people... (2 Viewers)

So you're not a fan of shaving with Occam's Razor then?
Actually, I am a gigantic fan of applying Occam's Razor in these types of situations. That was kind of my point. As defined on the Wikipedia page on the topic: "The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory."You're assuming that she felt it was important enough to race over to the library and City Hall after dropping her kids off at school and wasting her entire morning...along with driving 60 minutes round-trip to gather some information from the County records office as well, just to impress me/us with her intuitive skills so we might add a 20% tip on top of her $0 commission. :rolleyes: That's a LOT of assumptions!

What's so unbelievable about the possibility that she simply went about her normal business that Monday morning, came over after having done exactly ZERO research on the property, and had some genuine experiences? To me, the latter is the solution that "makes as few assumptions as possible." At least acknowledge that what you are suggesting includes a BEVY of assumptions...and we can agree to disagree.

 
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So you're not a fan of shaving with Occam's Razor then?
Actually, I am a gigantic fan of applying Occam's Razor in these types of situations. That was kind of my point. As defined on the Wikipedia page on the topic: "The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory."You're assuming that she felt it was important enough to race over to the library and City Hall after dropping her kids off at school and wasting her entire morning...along with driving 60 minutes round-trip to gather some information from the County records office as well, just to impress me/us with her intuitive skills so we might add a 20% tip on top of her $0 commission. :rolleyes: That's a LOT of assumptions!

What's so unbelievable about the possibility that she simply went about her normal business that Monday morning, came over after having done exactly ZERO research on the property, and had some genuine experiences? To me, the latter is the solution that "makes as few assumptions as possible." At least acknowledge that what you are suggesting includes a BEVY of assumptions...and we can agree to disagree.
You mean it's a greater leap that she could check public records (which often are available online, BTW) than that she goes over and senses this mysterious presence that moves furniture around in your attic and then moves it back?
 
You mean it's a greater leap that she could check public records (which often are available online, BTW) than that she goes over and senses this mysterious presence that moves furniture around in your attic and then moves it back?
If those records for our area ARE online, I've yet to find them. Our County web site is still basking in the glow of the 1990s...and our City site isn't much better. That, and our newspaper in town comes in two options: print and microfiche. :bag: Believe me, I completely get where you are coming from. I know it all sounds completely crazy. What I am telling you is that I've spent the better part of my 38 years trying to "logic" and "science" all of this stuff away...and I can't. I really wish I could! I've spent hours researching sleep paralysis and watching documentaries online on the subject, I've had inspection after inspection done on the homes I have lived in (had some experiences in our former home as well...though nothing 1/10 as intense as we've had here). Heck, I wondered as a teenager and an early 20-something if I was literally losing my mind with some of this stuff...until others without prior knowledge of my particular experiences began sharing some of the exact same experiences. If multiple people all independently have very similar experiences at different periods of time, unbeknownst to one another, are they ALL crazy?!

A bad analogy, but if I used the old tried-and-true challenge to you of:

Prove to me that you love your mother.

...how would you do it?! Because you talk to her on the phone, or get her flowers on her birthday or mother's day, or because you cried the day she died, or ??? (anything else), how does that PROVE you felt love towards that other human being? So that all of us have tangible, physical evidence of your love...and cannot just assume you love your mom because she's your mom.

Everyone assumes that you love your mom...whether you put forth any concrete, scientific evidence or not! However, when it comes to this kind of stuff, everyone is a fraud or is :goodposting: if they can't produce the same empirical evidence to you...in the way you wish to receive it...at the time you want to receive it. I obviously understand why! I'm just saying, the world is a lot more complicated than "black" and "white" sometimes...like it or not.

 
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Thought I'd bump this thread as a way to document some of the non-fiction shows focused on the supernatural...just in case anyone is interested:

Sunday

10pm - The Haunted (Animal Planet) - not too bad...a good 60 minutes of entertainment, anyway

Tuesday

9pm - Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal (A&E) - one of the better shows on TV right now on the topic

10pm - Paranormal State (A&E) - THE best show on TV for the Paranormal, and it's not even close

10pm - Ghost Lab (Discovery Channel) - Pretty good, although their methods seem a little crass.

11pm - Celebrity Ghost Stories (A&E) - a little hokey, and not particularly great...other than it being interesting to here celebs talk about some of their past experiences

Wednesday

8pm - Ghost Hunters (SyFy) - After Paranormal State, the best show out there right now...along with GHI)

9pm - Ghost Hunters International (SyFy) - Ditto to the comments above

Friday

9pm - Ghost Adventures (Travel Channel) - Very good, but the lead dog (Zach) is a little over-bearing at times

??? - Most Haunted (Travel Channel) - probably overstayed its welcome...and the screaming woman (friend of the lead investigator) is unbearable.

I realize that people that don't believe in ghosts/spirits will chalk all this up to fiction, but if you have an open mind and REALLY want to learn something about the subject, Tuesday and Wednesday nights are your ticket.

 
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The reason I got to thinking about this thread again is that our home has been very active over the past several weeks. I woke up a few mornings ago to feel what I thought was my wife gently grabbing my ankle and telling me to get out of bed (I was already awake at the time). I remember jumping...as I thought I had been in the room alone. I turned over and started to say something to my wife, only to see that I WAS, in fact, alone in the room. My daughters weren't home...and my wife was down on the first floor. :P

I also was working in my third-floor office (attic level) a few weeks ago when I went to head downstairs to get a snack. As I started down the stairs, I distinctly heard the voice of a young girl humming a happy tune in the bedroom at the top of the stairs. I checked it out, and no one was there. I went down to the second floor, and my two daughters weren't there either...and there was no radio on, no talking toys, no nothing. I still remember hearing the reverberation of the humming bouncing off the walls along the stairs though...and whatever it was, I could FEEL the vibrations.

That is all, for now. Skeptics and playah-hatahs commence with the one-liners! :D

 
Thought I'd bump this thread as a way to document some of the non-fiction shows focused on the supernatural...just in case anyone is interested:

8pm - Ghost Hunters (SyFy) - After Paranormal State, the best show out there right now...along with GHI)
I watched an episode of this a few weeks back. The show is a complete sham. Nothing ever happens. They go into these old, dark places and pretend to hear stuff.Bro, if shows like this were real, if you yourself actually saw a ghost and had any actual proof, it'd be the biggest story in the history of the world. Special reports/breaking news on every network. It's all in your head, your mind is playing tricks on you. Billions of people, billions of cameras...show me one shred of actual proof of a ghost.

 
....AND THEY'RE OFF!!! (insert horse racing play-by-play here) :P

Seriously, it's pretty much like believing in God, believing in love, etc. There is ZERO chance that anyone who hasn't experienced something personally will ever truly believe it. Although what is interesting to me is a lot of the DVR work that is being done over the past several years. People asking questions, then recording intelligent, relevant responses on other frequencies that could not generally be heard at the time of the recording.

But yeah, I understand. Orbs? 99% of it is a load of crap IMHO. Psychics/mediums telling you things that someone/something is supposedly telling them that you cannot hear yourself? Suspect (especially if you can't prove that the person had no prior knowledge of any situation that they are discussing). If/when you ever have a personal experience of your own though, you will understand.

I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I have no medical conditions that would cause mental issues or hallucinations. I'm not thinking about anything a majority of the time something occurs. It can be 2:00pm in an empty house or 10:00pm in the middle of a party. It just happens. And when it does, it is super cool...and super scary.

 
....AND THEY'RE OFF!!! (insert horse racing play-by-play here) :PSeriously, it's pretty much like believing in God, believing in love, etc. There is ZERO chance that anyone who hasn't experienced something personally will ever truly believe it. Although what is interesting to me is a lot of the DVR work that is being done over the past several years. People asking questions, then recording intelligent, relevant responses on other frequencies that could not generally be heard at the time of the recording.But yeah, I understand. Orbs? 99% of it is a load of crap IMHO. Psychics/mediums telling you things that someone/something is supposedly telling them that you cannot hear yourself? Suspect (especially if you can't prove that the person had no prior knowledge of any situation that they are discussing). If/when you ever have a personal experience of your own though, you will understand. I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I have no medical conditions that would cause mental issues or hallucinations. I'm not thinking about anything a majority of the time something occurs. It can be 2:00pm in an empty house or 10:00pm in the middle of a party. It just happens. And when it does, it is super cool...and super scary.
What the ####?
 
The reason I got to thinking about this thread again is that our home has been very active over the past several weeks. I woke up a few mornings ago to feel what I thought was my wife gently grabbing my ankle and telling me to get out of bed (I was already awake at the time). I remember jumping...as I thought I had been in the room alone. I turned over and started to say something to my wife, only to see that I WAS, in fact, alone in the room. My daughters weren't home...and my wife was down on the first floor. :PI also was working in my third-floor office (attic level) a few weeks ago when I went to head downstairs to get a snack. As I started down the stairs, I distinctly heard the voice of a young girl humming a happy tune in the bedroom at the top of the stairs. I checked it out, and no one was there. I went down to the second floor, and my two daughters weren't there either...and there was no radio on, no talking toys, no nothing. I still remember hearing the reverberation of the humming bouncing off the walls along the stairs though...and whatever it was, I could FEEL the vibrations.That is all, for now. Skeptics and playah-hatahs commence with the one-liners! :D
I have felt this sensation too, it is called a bug or a response to the blankets touching my skin, sorry but I just cannot believe in ghosts, I have tried so many things to try to see them or "summon" them and they are not real
 
....AND THEY'RE OFF!!! (insert horse racing play-by-play here) :P

Seriously, it's pretty much like believing in God, believing in love, etc. There is ZERO chance that anyone who hasn't experienced something personally will ever truly believe it. Although what is interesting to me is a lot of the DVR work that is being done over the past several years. People asking questions, then recording intelligent, relevant responses on other frequencies that could not generally be heard at the time of the recording.

But yeah, I understand. Orbs? 99% of it is a load of crap IMHO. Psychics/mediums telling you things that someone/something is supposedly telling them that you cannot hear yourself? Suspect (especially if you can't prove that the person had no prior knowledge of any situation that they are discussing). If/when you ever have a personal experience of your own though, you will understand.

I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I have no medical conditions that would cause mental issues or hallucinations. I'm not thinking about anything a majority of the time something occurs. It can be 2:00pm in an empty house or 10:00pm in the middle of a party. It just happens. And when it does, it is super cool...and super scary.
I'm 100% sure that stuff is bogus. Don't spend money on that stuff, i'm sure you could get a shaman (or whatever those people call themselves) to do it free anyway.
 
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I have felt this sensation too, it is called a bug or a response to the blankets touching my skin, sorry but I just cannot believe in ghosts, I have tried so many things to try to see them or "summon" them and they are not real
Nope. Like I said, I was awake at the time, my leg was poking out from under the covers/blankets (nothing on it...not even socks/pajamas), and if you can find a BIG bug flying/crawling around here in Minnesota in the dead of Winter a couple feet off the floor, I'll give you $1. :P I told my wife about it and she basically said the same thing you did. Then I did to her leg/ankle what I felt. A gentle grab, then a twist, probably 90-degrees, where you can feel the difference in position and pressure of the thumb and the other four fingers. Half my ankle and lower leg (below the calf) was covered with hand...a hand that gently rotated with pressure. Maybe if we had a pet in the house, that would explain it away. Closest thing we might have is a few dust bunnies when it comes to animals though.
 
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I have felt this sensation too, it is called a bug or a response to the blankets touching my skin, sorry but I just cannot believe in ghosts, I have tried so many things to try to see them or "summon" them and they are not real
Nope. Like I said, I was awake at the time, my leg was poking out from under the covers/blankets (nothing on it...not even socks/pajamas), and if you can find a bug flying/crawling around here in Minnesota in the dead of Winter a couple feet off the floor, I'll give you $1. :P I told my wife about it and she basically said the same thing you did. Then I did to her leg/ankle what I felt. A gentle grab, then a twist, probably 90-degrees, where you can feel the difference in position and pressure of the thumb and the other four fingers. Half my ankle and lower leg (below the calf) was covered with hand...a hand that gently rotated with pressure. Maybe if we had a pet in the house, that would explain it away. Closest thing we might have is a few dust bunnies when it comes to animals though.
That is crazy ####, I really wish I could experience that kind of stuff so I could believe in something but nothing has ever happened in 5+ houses I have lived in, plus everything I have 'experienced' has all been explained
 
That is crazy ####, I really wish I could experience that kind of stuff so I could believe in something but nothing has ever happened in 5+ houses I have lived in, plus everything I have 'experienced' has all been explained
It is really cool, but I'm telling you...I'm nearly 40 years old, and it STILL scares the crap out of me, every time. I had another experience a year or two ago where I was lying in bed in the morning (again, awake, just too lazy to get up and shower/shave). I had one arm over my eyes to shield them from the sunlight coming into the room. All of the sudden I feel this little hand slide into my right hand that was hanging out of the blankets. I smiled, as I "knew" it was my youngest daughter who was about two years old...coming in to tell "Daddy" good morning. I said something to her and then looked up. There was nobody with me in the room. I checked her room and then the entire second floor...and nobody was there. She was down on the first floor playing with her sister.That creeped me out...but at the same time, it was such a gentle, loving feeling. Not scary/evil in any way! Just not anything I could physically see.
 
datonn said:
it STILL scares the crap out of me, every time.
Why would it scare you? I'd think it'd be cause for celebration. If you 100% genuinely knew there was a ghost in your house it'd be proof that there's something beyond death. I don't doubt that you actually believe something is going on, I just think you're misinterpreting some physical signals, it mentally winds you up and you take it to another place. Try this...next time you're up late and the house is quiet really focus and believe that someone is standing behind you. Keep telling yourself someone is there for a few minutes. I guarantee eventually your mind is going get on board, you'll have to turn around to look and you're going to have these sensations that you talk about here.
 
Dude, you really believe in ghosts? Seriously? I don't know if you know this, but some houses have very minor gas leaks. And the main side effects of this gas are hallucinogenic. Get it checked out.

 
I would be willing to bet that paranormal activity reports SKYROCKET once more people see the movie of the same name.

 
Seriously, it's pretty much like believing in God, believing in love, etc. There is ZERO chance that anyone who hasn't experienced something personally will ever truly believe it.
Experienced what? Something strange? Seeing something out of the corner of your eye? Felt like something touched you while you slept? I think we've all experienced those thing but that doesn't prove anything paranormal.
Although what is interesting to me is a lot of the DVR work that is being done over the past several years. People asking questions, then recording intelligent, relevant responses on other frequencies that could not generally be heard at the time of the recording.
DVR?
But yeah, I understand. Orbs? 99% of it is a load of crap IMHO.
100% load of crap.
Psychics/mediums telling you things that someone/something is supposedly telling them that you cannot hear yourself? Suspect (especially if you can't prove that the person had no prior knowledge of any situation that they are discussing). If/when you ever have a personal experience of your own though, you will understand.
Not suspect. Totally false. There is no such thing as 'psychic' ability.
I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I have no medical conditions that would cause mental issues or hallucinations. I'm not thinking about anything a majority of the time something occurs. It can be 2:00pm in an empty house or 10:00pm in the middle of a party. It just happens. And when it does, it is super cool...and super scary.
No but it seems like you are deluding yourself. Just because something happens that you can't explain right away and you chalk it up to ghosts or whatever.
 
I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I have no medical conditions that would cause mental issues or hallucinations. I'm not thinking about anything a majority of the time something occurs. It can be 2:00pm in an empty house or 10:00pm in the middle of a party. It just happens. And when it does, it is super cool...and super scary.
No but it seems like you are deluding yourself. Just because something happens that you can't explain right away and you chalk it up to ghosts or whatever.
This pretty much sums it up. Maybe not drinking/doing drugs is part of the problem? You're all wound up. Take a load off, Fannie.
 
datonn said:
cahut13 said:
That is crazy ####, I really wish I could experience that kind of stuff so I could believe in something but nothing has ever happened in 5+ houses I have lived in, plus everything I have 'experienced' has all been explained
It is really cool, but I'm telling you...I'm nearly 40 years old, and it STILL scares the crap out of me, every time. I had another experience a year or two ago where I was lying in bed in the morning (again, awake, just too lazy to get up and shower/shave). I had one arm over my eyes to shield them from the sunlight coming into the room. All of the sudden I feel this little hand slide into my right hand that was hanging out of the blankets. I smiled, as I "knew" it was my youngest daughter who was about two years old...coming in to tell "Daddy" good morning. I said something to her and then looked up. There was nobody with me in the room. I checked her room and then the entire second floor...and nobody was there. She was down on the first floor playing with her sister.That creeped me out...but at the same time, it was such a gentle, loving feeling. Not scary/evil in any way! Just not anything I could physically see.
datonn, maybe you were having a stroke?Or is that the left arm...hmm :goodposting:
 
Dude, you really believe in ghosts? Seriously? I don't know if you know this, but some houses have very minor gas leaks. And the main side effects of this gas are hallucinogenic. Get it checked out.
First thing we did when we were looking to buy the home was have it professionally inspected for CO, other gas leaks, electrical issues, etc. Came up with a clean bill of health. Also, where I see most of the activity is literally about 40 feet vertical higher than where all the "HVAC," gas lines, etc. are located. Stuff is in the basement...while most of the activity is concentrated on the second or third floor. We've also had CO monitors located on every level of the house since we bought it. The only time those monitors have gone off in 6+ years is when the batteries in them are low.
 
No but it seems like you are deluding yourself. Just because something happens that you can't explain right away and you chalk it up to ghosts or whatever.
That's the thing, however. When I was a kid, I WANTED to believe I was daydreaming or simply had an active imagination. I wanted to believe it was due to watching a "scary movie" or ??? That would make life a lot less complicated. :confused: Something happens and the first thing I do is I am mentally running through all the things it can be. I'm not talking a radiator banging in the dark or thinking you see shadows at night. I'm talking sitting at your wife's computer in the hallway before dinner, bored to death while waiting for 1 GB of software to load while thinking "why can't she figure this out herself?!" ...then staring blankly into your daughter's room while you're waiting for the Installer to hit 100% complete...only to see something like a shadow that is an opaque 70-80% gray, with two arms, two legs, and a head...walk from your daughter's closet door through her bed and through the Northern wall of her room into a porch.

It's 4-5pm, lights are on, I'm drooling on my wife's computer out of boredom...thinking about how death would be preferable to having to install this monster Adobe package again in the future. I see that "thing" that looks about the size of a 10-12 year old child...all of it until it reaches the bed, then only the top half of it as it walks THROUGH the bed, and you know what my first thought was? "Is somebody coming up the stairs...casting a weird shadow in that room?" Answer is no. You know what my SECOND thought was? "It must have been some strange lights or ??? coming through her window!" Answer is no. Room is 30+ feet off the ground with no street coming at it...and her Roman shade was drawn down (lined to keep out light on the outer side, from when she was little and would nap during the day).

It's not see a light or hear a bang and thinking "GHOST!" If that's what you think, you must watch too much Scooby Doo! :P The whole idea is explaining away the explainable with logical, likely culprits. It's the 10% or less of stuff that cannot be explained away that I am talking about here.

 
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No but it seems like you are deluding yourself. Just because something happens that you can't explain right away and you chalk it up to ghosts or whatever.
That's the thing, however. When I was a kid, I WANTED to believe I was daydreaming or simply had an active imagination. I wanted to believe it was due to watching a "scary movie" or ??? That would make life a lot less complicated. :thumbup: Something happens and the first thing I do is I am mentally running through all the things it can be. I'm not talking a radiator banging in the dark or thinking you see shadows at night. I'm talking sitting at your wife's computer in the hallway before dinner, bored to death while waiting for 1 GB of software to load while thinking "why can't she figure this out herself?!" ...then staring blankly into your daughter's room while you're waiting for the Installer to hit 100% complete...only to see something like a shadow that is an opaque 70-80% gray, with two arms, two legs, and a head...walk from your daughter's closet door through her bed and through the Northern wall of her room into a porch.

It's 4-5pm, lights are on, I'm drooling on my wife's computer out of boredom...thinking about how death would be preferable to having to install this monster Adobe package again in the future. I see that "thing" that looks about the size of a 10-12 year old child...all of it until it reaches the bed, then only the top half of it as it walks THROUGH the bed, and you know what my first thought was? "Is somebody coming up the stairs...casting a weird shadow in that room?" Answer is no. You know what my SECOND thought was? "It must have been some strange lights or ??? coming through her window!" Answer is no. Room is 30+ feet off the ground with no street coming at it...and her Roman shade was drawn down (lined to keep out light on the outer side, from when she was little and would nap during the day).

It's not see a light or hear a bang and thinking "GHOST!" If that's what you think, you must watch too much Scooby Doo! :) The whole idea is explaining away the explainable with logical, likely culprits. It's the 10% or less of stuff that cannot be explained away that I am talking about here.
Grab a camera, hit record, call CNN. You'll be rich and famous.
 
It's the 10% or less of stuff that cannot be explained away that I am talking about here.
Ok. I was a bit harsh with my first post. So I'll step back and answer this politely since you are tackling this thread with a light sense of humor and self-deprecation. My wife calls me an atheist. But I don't like that term. That presumes that I KNOW there isn't a God or an afterlife. I prefer agnostic because I don't presume to know everything that cannot be explained. But the inverse of that mindset is that the unexplained doesn't prove or disprove the supernatural. In his mind-blowing speech for Oxford, Richard Dawkins says that we need to face the possibility that there are some things in the universe that are unknowable. He's not saying that they are unproven. He's saying that despite our vast intelligence, there are likely phenomena that will always be unknowable.

That said, the unknown isn't supernatural just because it's unexplained.

 
My home was built 15 years ago. Small street with 14 other homes built around the same time. Never had anything out of the ordinary happen for 3-4 years. One halloween I decided to upgrade the decorations. I removed the flag from the front of my house and replaced it with a broom handle with a noose attached. That's about the time that things started to change.

It started out as small things. My wife and I would feel spooked/get a chill, hear something unexplainable (doors closing, footsteps, faint voice). Then we started catching glimpses of figures. At times we'd think it was the each other only to realize that we were on different floors of the house. This went on for years (on and off). We started getting a really "creepy/evil" (laugh if you must) feeling at different times. Like someone was very angry.

Two years ago I found out that a local teen had hung himself on the land that my neighborhood is built on. I have since dismantled my decoration and things seem to have gotten back to normal. We do still see/hear things now and then. But there is no longer the "angry" feeling anymore.

We would also see/feel my grandfather and my wifes grandfather while all of this was going on. They both died years ago. My daughter asked us who "Paapaa" was. She said he would say goodnight to her at times. "Paapaa" was my wifes grandfather. He died years before my daughter was born and my daughter didn't know that's what my wife called him when she was growing up.

 
That said, the unknown isn't supernatural just because it's unexplained.
:thumbup: The definition of 'supernatural' in the dictionary:1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil

2 a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)

Some people say what I experience is a "bug," a gas leak, a hallucination, a reaction to some scary movie (if you knew me, that would make you laugh, lol), or 500 other things. Most of the time, all I'm saying is that stuff happens that I cannot easily explain away. Do I believe in ghost/spirits and an afterlife? Absolutely. Do I go out of my way looking for it? Probably the opposite is true.

Case in point: I was walking down the stairs the other day, when I immediately got this overpowering smell of pine needles. It was concentrated in about a 4-5' area of the stairwell. I thought "candles" and continued downstairs...saying to my wife "you've been burning a pine scented candle today, haven't you?" She said "yes, I was earlier today." To which I thought: "Thank GOD." ...as the last time I got that scent/smell was when I walked into a home my mom was thinking about buying, only to be met with an overpowering smell of pine needles when we got into the living room. Only in that instance, it was like I had traveled back in time...as in the middle of Summer, I was seeing a 3D Christmas tree in the corner of the room with really old decorations, and the smell was overpowering. I did one of those shut-your-eyes-and-shake-your-head moves for a couple seconds, and it was gone.

Trust me, I always hope it's something easy to explain away or laugh off, as if it's not... :nerd: I like knowing there is most-definitely an after-life! I just want it to wait until I'm ready to leave this life is all. :thumbup:

 
One of the problems is that your senses are not very reliable.

How many times have you been walking and seen something on the ground that you swear is a quarter or a dollar bill? But when you get close enough you realize it is part of a foil wrapper or just a scrap of green paper. How many times have you heard the lyrics to a song only to find out later that what you thought you heard wasn't even close?

Magicians live and die by the fact that our brain tricks us into thinking we're seeing one thing when something else is actually happening.

Add into this unreliability of our senses that you already believe in the supernatural and you're sold.

Why do you think ultra-religious people see Jesus or the Virgin Mary in burnt toast or peeling wallpaper?

 
Minor correction: you like believing there is an after-life.
No, I meant KNOWING...but that's a battle that cannot be won on either side of the fence...so I'll leave that sleeping dog lie.
I know what you meant. But you don't know anything about the concept of an afterlife. You believe it with every fiber of your being, and that's totally cool.
Well with that attitude, can you really know anything?
 
Minor correction: you like believing there is an after-life.
No, I meant KNOWING...but that's a battle that cannot be won on either side of the fence...so I'll leave that sleeping dog lie.
I know what you meant. But you don't know anything about the concept of an afterlife. You believe it with every fiber of your being, and that's totally cool.
Well with that attitude, can you really know anything?
Now you're getting all existential with me. If you get a chance, check out that Richard Dawkins talk I posted. He addresses these same issues.
 
My 4 year old is a magnet for this stuff. I am skeptical, but it just keeps popping up.

It started out with several of her electrical toys (lights/noises or both) getting played with at night. Figured it was just a short wire or something at first, but it ended up being many different toys and always at night.

She continually talks about stuff that she has no business knowing about. The freakiest one was on a car ride to a park. Out of the blue she asked, "Why is that car in the hole?" About 15 seconds later we came over a hill and there was a car in a deep ditch with its back end sticking up.

We have lots of orb pictures, but last summer we visited an old log cabin that I am told is haunted. My daughter was sitting on the couch watching TV and my step-mother took her picture. My daughter is sitting on the couch. Sitting beside her is a light orb in the elongated shape of a child. There is a distinct head on top of a body shape, with legs up on the coffee table. I am sure my wife has it kicking around somewhere, I will try to find it and post it.

A few months later I had to spank my daughter and I hear her say to herself "I forgive Daddy." I asked her who she was talking to and she said nobody. Even though I am skeptical, I am still kinda glad she didn't summon some bad mojo on me.

 
My 4 year old is a magnet for this stuff. I am skeptical, but it just keeps popping up.It started out with several of her electrical toys (lights/noises or both) getting played with at night. Figured it was just a short wire or something at first, but it ended up being many different toys and always at night. She continually talks about stuff that she has no business knowing about. The freakiest one was on a car ride to a park. Out of the blue she asked, "Why is that car in the hole?" About 15 seconds later we came over a hill and there was a car in a deep ditch with its back end sticking up.We have lots of orb pictures, but last summer we visited an old log cabin that I am told is haunted. My daughter was sitting on the couch watching TV and my step-mother took her picture. My daughter is sitting on the couch. Sitting beside her is a light orb in the elongated shape of a child. There is a distinct head on top of a body shape, with legs up on the coffee table. I am sure my wife has it kicking around somewhere, I will try to find it and post it.A few months later I had to spank my daughter and I hear her say to herself "I forgive Daddy." I asked her who she was talking to and she said nobody. Even though I am skeptical, I am still kinda glad she didn't summon some bad mojo on me.
I would like to see the picture.
 
Tuesday

10pm - Paranormal State (A&E) - THE best show on TV for the Paranormal, and it's not even close

Wednesday

8pm - Ghost Hunters (SyFy) - After Paranormal State, the best show out there right now...along with GHI)

Friday

9pm - Ghost Adventures (Travel Channel) - Very good, but the lead dog (Zach) is a little over-bearing at times

I realize that people that don't believe in ghosts/spirits will chalk all this up to fiction, but if you have an open mind and REALLY want to learn something about the subject, Tuesday and Wednesday nights are your ticket.
I've watched most of those shows and Paranormal State is very well edited, but is total entertainment. I'm highly skeptical of pretty much everything on that show. Everything that show does is designed to spook or scare you. It's fun to watch, but that's the point. It's a tv show designed to get viewers to come back each week. The Mediums on it are complete BS in my opinion and are told things to match up with what Ryan revealed to the viewer. I'm VERY skeptical but fascinated with the subject in general and those shows fill that curiousity, but you also have to realize that it is entertainment. However, my favorite of the bunch is Ghost Adventures, and they really capture some head scratching evidence. Which is what someone like me is looking for. The live Halloween episode was great stuff.

I also like Ghost Hunters because they spend time debunking ghosts and finding the causes of some of the paranormal 'activities' One episode they actually found an internal system built into a bar that the owners were using to move objects, etc.

I really did not even give the subject of 'ghosts' or 'spirits' a second thought until I started watching Ghost Hunters a few years back. Some of the video and sound evidence on those two shows (Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures) is really crazy stuff.

As for the whole seeing/sensing dead people, people want proof (me included) and most won't believe anything they can't see or experience for themselves. They are great and eerie stories but that's all they are to most of us, stories. Until I talk to a Medium that can tell me something only I know about a deceased family member or I have a first hand experience with a ghost, I will remain skeptical. Not saying I think it is impossible, I just find actual evidence more compelling.

 
My 4 year old is a magnet for this stuff. I am skeptical, but it just keeps popping up.
Yep, my daughters experience the same things. My oldest is really struggling right now (her bedroom is the one where I saw that "shadow" walk through her bed). When she was 3, she would always tell us she couldn't go to the bathroom by herself. Typical, I know. We would ask why or encourage her to be brave...but she wouldn't give one inch until one of us walked her in there, turned on the light, and stood outside the door. Finally one night at dinner, she said she had to go potty, so we told her to go. She kind of looked down and appeared as though she was going to cry...saying she couldn't. We asked her why, and she stiffened up her chin and lower lip, turned around (to look into our dining room) and said matter-of-factly: "The ghosts."Now, we had n-e-v-e-r talked to her about any of my experiences, and we took EXTRA caution to make sure she was never within ear-shot whenever I would tell my wife things that were happening. However, this little three-year old girl proceeded to tell us about a woman that would hang out by our dining room window. The same woman/location that my sister would see/feel. The same woman/location my friend and medium said she saw (who drives our neighbor's dogs crazy). All without any prior knowledge.

My oldest to this day (now age 7) will be sitting at the dinner table talking and laughing, then all of the sudden get up and quickly shut the pocket doors to our dining room or the door to our stairs. We ask her what she's doing, and most of the time she doesn't give us much of a response. Every now and then, however, she'll tell us almost in a whisper: "I don't like to be watched while I eat." :excited:

Breaks my heart that she has to be SO scared with some of this...but it's hard to know what to tell her. Her way of coping is to tell us "Ghosts aren't real, right?!" about 20 times/week. We used to always tell her "yeah, ghosts aren't real" (to no avail). However, we've finally reached the point of telling her there are sometimes people "without bodies" who like to visit or say hello...but that they're just people, and they don't mean her any harm. I was terrified that would make things worse with her (fear), but it actually has made things a little better. She still doesn't like it, but she tells me now that at least she doesn't feel like seeing things or "going crazy."

 
However, my favorite of the bunch is Ghost Adventures, and they really capture some head scratching evidence. Which is what someone like me is looking for. The live Halloween episode was great stuff.
This is the one I saw, I think. What evidence are you talking about? Nothing was happening. They had cameras and microphones and hi-tech stuff set up and they had exactly zero evidence. I can't believe the show is even on tv. Total sham.
 
I watched an episode of this a few weeks back. The show is a complete sham. Nothing ever happens. They go into these old, dark places and pretend to hear stuff.Bro, if shows like this were real, if you yourself actually saw a ghost and had any actual proof, it'd be the biggest story in the history of the world. Special reports/breaking news on every network. It's all in your head, your mind is playing tricks on you. Billions of people, billions of cameras...show me one shred of actual proof of a ghost.
You are wrong here, if someone showed you video of an actual ghost you and newscasters would just call it a fake and it would not get the time of day. I am a fellow skeptic but there is no way that networks would show breaking news of a ghost, legitimate or not, and claim that it was real. I've seen some pretty convincing things on those shows, but you would never catch those videos as a breaking news story.
 
My 4 year old is a magnet for this stuff. I am skeptical, but it just keeps popping up.
Yep, my daughters experience the same things. My oldest is really struggling right now (her bedroom is the one where I saw that "shadow" walk through her bed). When she was 3, she would always tell us she couldn't go to the bathroom by herself. Typical, I know. We would ask why or encourage her to be brave...but she wouldn't give one inch until one of us walked her in there, turned on the light, and stood outside the door. Finally one night at dinner, she said she had to go potty, so we told her to go. She kind of looked down and appeared as though she was going to cry...saying she couldn't. We asked her why, and she stiffened up her chin and lower lip, turned around (to look into our dining room) and said matter-of-factly: "The ghosts."Now, we had n-e-v-e-r talked to her about any of my experiences, and we took EXTRA caution to make sure she was never within ear-shot whenever I would tell my wife things that were happening. However, this little three-year old girl proceeded to tell us about a woman that would hang out by our dining room window. The same woman/location that my sister would see/feel. The same woman/location my friend and medium said she saw (who drives our neighbor's dogs crazy). All without any prior knowledge.

My oldest to this day (now age 7) will be sitting at the dinner table talking and laughing, then all of the sudden get up and quickly shut the pocket doors to our dining room or the door to our stairs. We ask her what she's doing, and most of the time she doesn't give us much of a response. Every now and then, however, she'll tell us almost in a whisper: "I don't like to be watched while I eat." :goodposting:

Breaks my heart that she has to be SO scared with some of this...but it's hard to know what to tell her. Her way of coping is to tell us "Ghosts aren't real, right?!" about 20 times/week. We used to always tell her "yeah, ghosts aren't real" (to no avail). However, we've finally reached the point of telling her there are sometimes people "without bodies" who like to visit or say hello...but that they're just people, and they don't mean her any harm. I was terrified that would make things worse with her (fear), but it actually has made things a little better. She still doesn't like it, but she tells me now that at least she doesn't feel like seeing things or "going crazy."
Loco.
 
However, my favorite of the bunch is Ghost Adventures, and they really capture some head scratching evidence. Which is what someone like me is looking for. The live Halloween episode was great stuff.
This is the one I saw, I think. What evidence are you talking about? Nothing was happening. They had cameras and microphones and hi-tech stuff set up and they had exactly zero evidence. I can't believe the show is even on tv. Total sham.
let me go back and watch some of them, and I will try and post some things that I found interesting. I bet you watched Ghost Hunters though, I've seen plenty of episodes as you describe.
 
I watched an episode of this a few weeks back. The show is a complete sham. Nothing ever happens. They go into these old, dark places and pretend to hear stuff.Bro, if shows like this were real, if you yourself actually saw a ghost and had any actual proof, it'd be the biggest story in the history of the world. Special reports/breaking news on every network. It's all in your head, your mind is playing tricks on you. Billions of people, billions of cameras...show me one shred of actual proof of a ghost.
You are wrong here, if someone showed you video of an actual ghost you and newscasters would just call it a fake and it would not get the time of day. I am a fellow skeptic but there is no way that networks would show breaking news of a ghost, legitimate or not, and claim that it was real. I've seen some pretty convincing things on those shows, but you would never catch those videos as a breaking news story.
What "convincing" things have you seen on those shows? There's absolutely nothing convincing on those shows. They pipe scary music/tones in the background and viewers who are already predisposed to believe what they're watching is real are already all wound up.How about this. When you guys are alone in a house do you get easily freaked out? It's perfectly normal for young children to have imaginary friends. I honestly can't believe there are fully grown men, withy actual jobs and responsibilities that believe in this kind of thing. When you saw the Blair Witch Project were you freaking out like a 10 year old?
 

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