I traded up in my startup draft. How did I do? (1 Viewer)

[tduebber]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

 

[League Champion]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Very nice! You robbed the other person. I'm not sure that you really needed to move up, but a great trade for you nonetheless.

 

[tduebber]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Very nice! You robbed the other person. I'm not sure that you really needed to move up, but a great trade for you nonetheless.

The way the scoring tiers shake out in the league, it's better to have a tier one QB and a tier 2 WR than vice versa

Assuming that the rest of the league drafts correctly (not a given haha) , it will be necessary to be in the top four

 

[Gally]

I don't see how the scoring makes much difference if it's a 1 QB league. The relative value between QB's is the same as any other league because the scoring affects them all the same. Not sure why that increases their value to the level of a 2 QB league.

As far as the trade goes its fair enough. Not really a big deal either way so if it got you the guy you coveted then good for you.

 

[tduebber]

I don't see how the scoring makes much difference if it's a 1 QB league. The relative value between QB's is the same as any other league because the scoring affects them all the same. Not sure why that increases their value to the level of a 2 QB league.

As far as the trade goes its fair enough. Not really a big deal either way so if it got you the guy you coveted then good for you.

Sorry, didn't do a very good job explaining the league. It's one QB but the stats are buffed / nerfed to reflect actual NFL position value. So QB's are more valuable than receivers by like 30%. Also, there's a pretty obvious tier break after mahomes, Allen, hurts, burrow.

 

[Gally]

Sorry, didn't do a very good job explaining the league. It's one QB but the stats are buffed / nerfed to reflect actual NFL position value. So QB's are more valuable than receivers by like 30%. Also, there's a pretty obvious tier break after mahomes, Allen, hurts, burrow.

But if all QB's are increased like that the relative value of QB to QB doesn't change off of a single QB league so they don't really gain value.

 

[tduebber]

Sorry, didn't do a very good job explaining the league. It's one QB but the stats are buffed / nerfed to reflect actual NFL position value. So QB's are more valuable than receivers by like 30%. Also, there's a pretty obvious tier break after mahomes, Allen, hurts, burrow.

But if all QB's are increased like that the relative value of QB to QB doesn't change off of a single QB league so they don't really gain value.

The scoring system doesn't widen the QB tier breaks, but the fact that it's a keeper league does. That, plus the sheer point value, means that if you don't have a true franchise QB you're at a big disadvantage.

I like Justin Fields and Dak Prescott (the guys I'd likely be looking at at 1.08) but I'm way more comfortable betting on Hurts or Burrow for the next three or four years.

 

[Gally]

The scoring system doesn't widen the QB tier breaks, but the fact that it's a keeper league does. That, plus the sheer point value, means that if you don't have a true franchise QB you're at a big disadvantage.

I guess I just don't see it since it's a 10 team, 1 QB league. The scoring doesn't really increase the relative value of QB and since there are only 10 teams there are plenty of serviceable QB's out there.

How many keepers do you get?

 

[tduebber]

The scoring system doesn't widen the QB tier breaks, but the fact that it's a keeper league does. That, plus the sheer point value, means that if you don't have a true franchise QB you're at a big disadvantage.

I guess I just don't see it since it's a 10 team, 1 QB league. The scoring doesn't really increase the relative value of QB and since there are only 10 teams there are plenty of serviceable QB's out there.

How many keepers do you get?

Seven currently but I might change it to less

 

[Gally]

Seven currently but I might change it to less

Value of QB goes down even more with fewer and fewer keepers

 

[pkroper22]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Sorry for not understanding. After reading the previous comments, I'm still struggling to understand how a 1 QB league equates to the same value as a 2 QB league even with the custom scoring?

 

[tduebber]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Sorry for not understanding. After reading the previous comments, I'm still struggling to understand how a 1 QB league equates to the same value as a 2 QB league even with the custom scoring?

No worries.

The value isn't exactly the same, but the draft board is very similar to 2qb superflex leagues. Top scorers will always be qbs.

Also possible that I'm misunderstanding 2qb leagues. I always hated the standard scoring systems so I never bothered with them and just made my own haha

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

What if the other league owners don't want it changed? Then what?

 

[Gally]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Sorry for not understanding. After reading the previous comments, I'm still struggling to understand how a 1 QB league equates to the same value as a 2 QB league even with the custom scoring?

Exactly. The scoring is irrelevant to the relative value of QB's. That scoring still increases the points of all QB's not just the elite ones and since you can only play one QB it doesn't really make sense to target more than one early like in 2QB or SF leagues so I am unclear why the scoring makes someone draft multiple QB's early.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I traded up in the first round of my Keeper startup draft. Looking for feedback on how I did. Background: I wanted to get up to 1.04 to make sure I get a Tier 1 QB. It's a 10 team league with a custom scoring system (draft value is basically the same as in 2QB).

Full terms:

Received: 1.04, 2.07, 9.04
Traded: 1.08, 2.03, 8.03

Sorry for not understanding. After reading the previous comments, I'm still struggling to understand how a 1 QB league equates to the same value as a 2 QB league even with the custom scoring?

Exactly. The scoring is irrelevant to the relative value of QB's. That scoring still increases the points of all QB's not just the elite ones and since you can only play one QB it doesn't really make sense to target more than one early like in 2QB or SF leagues so I am unclear why the scoring makes someone draft multiple QB's early.

Sorry, but I heavily disagree with both of you here. This would only be true if the value of ALL scoring was increased, not just QBs. If Mahomes is throws for 20% more TDs and 20% more yards than a certain QB, that makes up a larger difference in total fantasy points the more QB friendly the scoring is.

To illustrate this, we can extrapolate to the absurd. If a league was setup where passing TDs are worth 1000 points each, do you think Mahomes would be drafted earlier than usual or in the same spot. Yeah you can take Jared Goff and still get a lot of points for passing TDs, but he's going to be so far behind Mahomes that every other position becomes literally irrelevant.

Assuming scoring for other positions remains the same, Mahomes scoring 100 points against Jared Goff's 70 points is completely different than Mahomes scoring 10,000 points against Jared Goff's 7,000, even if the ratios are the same.

 

[Gally]

To illustrate this, we can extrapolate to the absurd. If a league was setup where passing TDs are worth 1000 points each, do you think Mahomes would be drafted earlier than usual or in the same spot.

I suppose but if that is the reality then it doesn't really accomplish anything and makes the league absurd.

In reality you still have a tier of QB's that make it basically equal to grab a QB5-12 with no real difference (at the time of the draft) because they are basically interchangeable and could fall in any of those slots without really scoring appreciably more than any of the others. In most leagues the PPG difference of QB1 to QB2 to QB3......QB12 is generally somewhere between 1-3 pts and good luck guessing the exact order.

Now in an extreme situation like you outlined you better be lucky and get the QB 1 because without that you will lose with that kind of disparity. However, can you be 100% certain of who that will be? I know I am not certain even if Mahomes is the most likely candidate.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

To illustrate this, we can extrapolate to the absurd. If a league was setup where passing TDs are worth 1000 points each, do you think Mahomes would be drafted earlier than usual or in the same spot.

I suppose but if that is the reality then it doesn't really accomplish anything and makes the league absurd.

In reality you still have a tier of QB's that make it basically equal to grab a QB5-12 with no real difference (at the time of the draft) because they are basically interchangeable and could fall in any of those slots without really scoring appreciably more than any of the others. In most leagues the PPG difference of QB1 to QB2 to QB3......QB12 is generally somewhere between 1-3 pts and good luck guessing the exact order.

Now in an extreme situation like you outlined you better be lucky and get the QB 1 because without that you will lose with that kind of disparity. However, can you be 100% certain of who that will be? I know I am not certain even if Mahomes is the most likely candidate.

QB5-QB12 might be interchangeable but the top tier guys aren't in that bucket. Which I think is his point. Mahomes and random 2nd tier QB might only be a 7 PPG difference in a normal league, but if it's 15 points in that league then it makes guys like Mahomes a lot more valuable.

 

[Gally]

To illustrate this, we can extrapolate to the absurd. If a league was setup where passing TDs are worth 1000 points each, do you think Mahomes would be drafted earlier than usual or in the same spot.

I suppose but if that is the reality then it doesn't really accomplish anything and makes the league absurd.

In reality you still have a tier of QB's that make it basically equal to grab a QB5-12 with no real difference (at the time of the draft) because they are basically interchangeable and could fall in any of those slots without really scoring appreciably more than any of the others. In most leagues the PPG difference of QB1 to QB2 to QB3......QB12 is generally somewhere between 1-3 pts and good luck guessing the exact order.

Now in an extreme situation like you outlined you better be lucky and get the QB 1 because without that you will lose with that kind of disparity. However, can you be 100% certain of who that will be? I know I am not certain even if Mahomes is the most likely candidate.

QB5-QB12 might be interchangeable but the top tier guys aren't in that bucket. Which I think is his point. Mahomes and random 2nd tier QB might only be a 7 PPG difference in a normal league, but if it's 15 points in that league then it makes guys like Mahomes a lot more valuable.

So just looking at the last two years the top 5 QB obly had two of the same and top 10 an additional 2. So while getting a top guy is worthwhile figuring out who that is may be hard. You assume Mahomes would be there but you thought Herbert would have and he wasn't in the top 10 this year after being top 5 the year before.

Since there is no guarantee I just don't see how this drastically changes the relative value of the position in a 1 QB league.