I was just kicked out of a league (1 Viewer)

[Phil M]

I rarely log in as an owner because my owner page is not setup and I'm just too lazy to customize it the way I want after spending so much time customizing the league page.

if you are talking about the way the league home page looks when logged in as owner, just take away your 'owner teams' abilities to edit home the home page. you will then get the default league home page you set up as commish.

 

[turnit643]

me thinks there is some history we don't know about...

me thinks it too

 

[jagerbomb]

Can't remember a situation where everyone came out so strong against someone with a complaint about their league... the original poster is surprisingly absent.

 

[faux_bear]

me thinks there is some history we don't know about...

me thinks it too

He stated in his original post that he's the most active member in the league. Wouldn't surprise me if that's code for whiniest, most obnoxious and confrontational, and generally difficult to put up with. In which case, this was probably just the last straw.

 

[Daywalker]

If turning that setting on is the only way to change other team's lineups and process their waivers I can understand a commish using it.

But to say that the commish doesn't benefit from being able to see everyone's waivers and trade proposals is utter bs. Being in a league like this for more then one year is just lame.

 

[hauser42]

Orginal poster handled this the wrong way, he made his own bed and now he is sleeping in it.

I have been the commish and sub in as our commish during the hunting season in our current league. Having rights to make transactions is good for the person away for the weekend that wants to make a move or reset their lineup. Bottom line is that if you dont believe in the person running the league then you had better not be paying a lot of money to play in the league. Just this week I put in my free agent move and I saw that my top pick was on someone elses top pick. Still keep the guy on there because he is who I want.

I will say about 14years ago myself and another guy co-commished a league. Half the league was away at college and others in our hometown. All the college guys called me for moves and lineups, and teams back home called the other guy. We found out one year that the other commish was not giving correct dates or times for pickups that were being made by some owners. So some of the guys did not get pickups that they should have, this was found toward the end of the season. No buddy made to much of a stink since we were all friends, but we decided to weed out certain owners and reformed the league and I ran it myself. During this time internet was not mainstream and all the help that it brings today.

IMO a league is not the commish's it is all the people in the league, he is just there to enforce the rules that the league should vote on.

 

[matuski]

Where did lightning go after the original post?

 

[BLOX]

Where did lightning go after the original post?

Lightning stikes are usually quick and rarely occur in the same place more than once.In a bottle however....

 

[trogg78]

I love it when people give someone a choice and then complain because they didnt make the choice they wanted. Spoiled much?

You may want to take some interpersonal communication classes....just a suggestion. I would expect you have a lot of conflicts that end this way. Someone smirking at you and you turning your back and stomping your feet.

 

[Courtjester]

me thinks there is some history we don't know about...

me thinks it too

He stated in his original post that he's the most active member in the league. Wouldn't surprise me if that's code for whiniest, most obnoxious and confrontational, and generally difficult to put up with. In which case, this was probably just the last straw.

I was thinking that was codespeak as well.All he had to say was, "Hey, I disagree with this rule. I propose we put it to a league vote to change it."

 

[Crusaderfan]

This scenario got me thinking about my leagues. I am in two CBS leagues for several years now (it is highly unlikely we will ever go anywhere else, so please don't flame me or tell me how bad CBS is the suxor -TIA) Anyways, the commissioner can not see trade offers until both sides agree to the trade, which is fine... However transaction requests are visible, so I was wondering if anyone knows a way to turn off this feature until the commish has submitted his waiver wire requests?

I've been playing in a CBS league for a few years and I've often wondered exactly what the commish can see regarding pending waiver claims. Any idea how a league member can check commissioner settings?BTW - Lightning - I think you handled it wrong. Obviously the commissioner did too.Thanks

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

I am in an MFL league, we had 2 weeks of slow auction in August. This was the forst years of the league. On day 2 of the auctioning I asked the commish if he could see the bids of all owners, he logged in as commish and checked and said "yes" and immediately changed it.

The whole league receivec this email :

Your commissioner has given up his ability to see pending transactions in your league. This means that he will no longer be able to:

perform any functions under the "For Owners" heading.

log in as your franchise using the league commissioner password.

view pending transactions on the "Transactions" report.

This is a $ no-trade league with owners thorughout the US who do not know each other.

Our commish did the right thing.

 

[FFFanaticc]

I don't think CBS Sportsline allows the commish to "turn off" veiwing the transactions. I am our commisioner, and the league just has to trust me not to look at them.

I can tell you this (funny).

I believe in Fantasy Football Karma. I used to take a peek at the transaction requests, a couple of seasons ago. Every time I peeked, I would not get the player, I would lose that week, or I would have a player get injured. It was the season that Priest went down from the Shawn Merriman hit, and I had Priest. I had many more injuries and my season was a disaster.

Now, I never look at the requests, and I have won one a league Championship since then.

If you want the league to work and run properly, you have to be a trustworthy commish.

BTW: CBS does not allow the commish to view trades, until they have been accepted by both parties (but we use the league voting system, so this may change with other systems).

 

[Bucks]

Subtle but important beginning I think is being ignored by most here is that lightning first says he asked the commish to make the change and the commish responded just "no".

If that is in fact what happened I do sympathize with him. Though at that point he should have involved the whole league instead of sending the ultimatium. The ultimatium just gave the commish any easy out.

 

[Swampy]

Dont you know you never question the Commish Gods?

 

[Crusaderfan]

I don't think CBS Sportsline allows the commish to "turn off" veiwing the transactions. I am our commisioner, and the league just has to trust me not to look at them.

In our league waivers are processed at midnight Friday. Free agents are bid on and high price gets the player. If the commish can not only see who has put in for a player AND knows how much they bid before midnite - he has a distinct advantage. When he really wants a bust-out guy like say a B. Marshall I would imagine that the temptation to look at the high bid must be incredible.

 

[Power Monster]

Here is a real BS story- we had two owners doing co-commish roles and recently had a problem where they put two teams in the wrong division after a CBS Sportsline live draft.

So- the divisions were drawn up and the schedules were automatically created.

About 3 hours prior to the Colts/Saints game- one of the owners in the wrong division calls one of the commissioners to bring it to their attention. He calls the other commish and they decide to ignore it.

In week 2 midway thru the Monday Night Football game one of these Einstein’s decides that he is going to “fix” the divisions. Of course- he suddenly wins his game and someone else takes a loss. The whole league is up for grabs! Why did they wait so long to pull this nonsense?

To make a long story short- I had an option to take my money and walk which I did. I was 1-1 and both the commissioners were 0-2. Of course- they used me as the patsy and even tried to tell me that my money was now the league’s money. Sure it is- when are you going to be at home because I am coming over as soon as you get there. One of the guys dropped the money off. Needless to say- I think this was pure cheating.

 

[Doug B]

Can't remember a situation where everyone came out so strong against someone with a complaint about their league... the original poster is surprisingly absent.

Was thinking the same thing, jager.

 

[Buckle]

I think the original poster did the right thing. After being a commish one-time in a MFL league, I can see how the commissioner can sneak-peek the waiver requests and make changes to their requests that works in their favor for their team.

If I am the commissioner and at the bottom of the waiver order list, I could change the waiver ranking order requests if I know that player will be taken in the 2nd round of requests (or after my 1st round waiver pick) and my other requests for players are not on other teams' requests. It processes cleanly and no one would suspect. I'm not changing the order either.

Since I knew this, I always had a hunch about this when one league I was in was co-commished by 3 owners. My waiver picks were always taken by those 3 owners when they picked ahead of me. Since I tend to be towards the end of waiver list with my top ranked-team, I ended up not making waiver requests and waited for the regular add/drop period to kick in. With that approach, I started getting the players I wanted. Sucks, but least I figured it out.

So if you're using MFL and similar setup, how do you get around this and deal with this?

1) IMHO, MFL waiver requests should be processed automatically at specified time. Some MFL leagues do it manually by the commissioner. I can't think of a strong case why a commissioner needs to do it manually unless there's a natural disaster in the area.

2) Trades should be either decided by votes (for less competitive leagues) or automatically accepted (more competitive leagues). I would suspect in the competitive leagues, owners are better sharks and more aware of a players value. However, if collusion is strongly suspected. Commissioner could always step in and revoked the trade.

3) After that, the commissioners job is pretty much on automatic until playoffs (for match-up setups). There should not be a reason for the commish to log in frequently. The league should be able to see the Franchise Activity report in MFL. If the commissioner has logged in during the week, owners should raise red flags and ask why did the commissioner needed to log in, especially if waivers will to be process shortly.

 

[fsufan]

I don't think CBS Sportsline allows the commish to "turn off" veiwing the transactions. I am our commisioner, and the league just has to trust me not to look at them.

i have be using CBS for 9 or 10 years now. I have never be able to see WW transactions/request.

 

[thehornet]

You should have grabbed a vote and i am sure everyone would have agreed that the commish shouldnt be allowed access to that info, but you gave him the option to boot you and he did just that.

By the way,

You're commish is a complete TOOL.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Don't make threats if you can't live with the results.

Hear that sound? That's the sound of the OP creating a new account.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

I don't think CBS Sportsline allows the commish to "turn off" veiwing the transactions. I am our commisioner, and the league just has to trust me not to look at them.

i have be using CBS for 9 or 10 years now. I have never be able to see WW transactions/request.

if using waiver process then the commissioner can not see who people request. if commissioner has to approve all transactions and not use the automatic wire or the bidding system, then the commissioner gets an email for every request and has to go approve or deny each request. so technically cbs does give you this option. i don't see a problem with commissioner being able to view this stuff, hopefully he knows better than to kill competition by doing anything shady. if he's the type to take advantage of such situations, then the league won't last very long anyway. the op's situation doesn't seem to be about that tho, like a previous poster said there's probably more to this beyond football.

 

[Chaka]

The commish just booted me when I stood up to him. I have the notion to post his email and give you all the site, but I will refrain for the time being.I was in second place and not far out of first, by points.He had the ability to view all potential trade offers and transactions. I asked him to remove that ability. He said "no". What kind of response is that? I threatened him, to either change the rights or find another owner...he took away all my right, password, you name it...GONE.That's messed up! I have been the most active person in the 2 year existence and now...BOOTED.

I'm honestly not trying to take the other side, but seriously the way you describe all of this is you deserved to get kicked out of the league. There are things that are made difficult by turning that option off and the way you came at the commish was like "Dude, you're an untrustworthy, dishonest guy, remove that option or i quit" which i'd have also replied "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".Seriously it sounds like you were rude and out of line.

You guys are so thin-skinned it's hilarious. "You hurt my feelings so I'm gonna take my ball and go home." I agree that if threats were made, physical violence is suggested, or cheating is done, an eviction from a league MAY be in order. Only if it cannot be resolved. But seriously, what kind of man runs from ever fight he has to face? Especially if it's just "the way you handled it" as so many of you say. Sure, he might not have handled it the best, and he did tell the commish to kick him out if he didn't agree... but the idea that it's "my way or the highway" is so anti-American. And so darned wimpy. "I only want guys around who are nice to me." Get some balls boys!

Y'know I agree with the fact that the OP merely got what he asked for and that he did not handle the situation well to begin with but patriarchz has a great point, even if it is only a tangent to the OP. People today are far to thin skinned. It is okay to argue or have heated discussions that reach an impasse. People don't always get along and just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are threatening you. An unmeasured responses reek of sensitivity, arrogance, an inability to deal with adversity and an overall lack of critical thinking.

 

[corpcow]

I ran into a weird issue recently as well. The commissioner threatened to remove my team because I didn't reject his trade offer on a timely basis (a week during the offseason and the Memorial Day weekend). There was some history here and we already had a long (what I thought was positive) e-mail thread with me telling him I wasn't interested in the players involved in the trade and my rationale, etc. After I went in and rejected the trade, he removed my team.

In our subsequent e-mail thread, it was clear we were not on the same page. E.g., during the draft, I made a trade for draft picks and the clock expired before I was able to make my pick, and replied to all complaining about the situation. He immediately got defensive and told me it wasn't his fault and later claimed I accused him of doing it on purpose. When I told him he was reading more into my e-mails than was actually there, he said he was "insulted that I would question his reading comprehension skills". He also pointed to the disagreement we had re: player values, strategy as evidence that "I thought he was stupid". He removed my team because I was "a negligent owner" and then when I got upset at him for doing so told me he was considering letting me back in until I was obnoxious (which as I said it was because I was being obnoxious.

The moral is that some commissioners let the power go to their head. It's "their" league, and God forbid if you question them. As I pointed out to the commish in the previous story (and which he took great offense to), there is an inherent conflict of interest when you are running the league and competing in the same league, especially when there's money involved. A commissioner needs to be able to separate his roles as an owner competing in the league and the administrative role in running the league. It's a very difficult thing to do, but if there's a situation that even LOOKS like there might be something amiss, it's important to remove all doubt. This is why I use an executive committee in the leagues I run, and excuse myself (and others) for any decisions where there is a vested interest on one side or another.

 

[corpcow]

The commish just booted me when I stood up to him. I have the notion to post his email and give you all the site, but I will refrain for the time being.I was in second place and not far out of first, by points.He had the ability to view all potential trade offers and transactions. I asked him to remove that ability. He said "no". What kind of response is that? I threatened him, to either change the rights or find another owner...he took away all my right, password, you name it...GONE.That's messed up! I have been the most active person in the 2 year existence and now...BOOTED.

I'm honestly not trying to take the other side, but seriously the way you describe all of this is you deserved to get kicked out of the league. There are things that are made difficult by turning that option off and the way you came at the commish was like "Dude, you're an untrustworthy, dishonest guy, remove that option or i quit" which i'd have also replied "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".Seriously it sounds like you were rude and out of line.

You guys are so thin-skinned it's hilarious. "You hurt my feelings so I'm gonna take my ball and go home." I agree that if threats were made, physical violence is suggested, or cheating is done, an eviction from a league MAY be in order. Only if it cannot be resolved. But seriously, what kind of man runs from ever fight he has to face? Especially if it's just "the way you handled it" as so many of you say. Sure, he might not have handled it the best, and he did tell the commish to kick him out if he didn't agree... but the idea that it's "my way or the highway" is so anti-American. And so darned wimpy. "I only want guys around who are nice to me." Get some balls boys!

Y'know I agree with the fact that the OP merely got what he asked for and that he did not handle the situation well to begin with but patriarchz has a great point, even if it is only a tangent to the OP. People today are far to thin skinned. It is okay to argue or have heated discussions that reach an impasse. People don't always get along and just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are threatening you. An unmeasured responses reek of sensitivity, arrogance, an inability to deal with adversity and an overall lack of critical thinking.

It's ok to disagree...

 

[kensat30]

Not everything written on the internet gets through correctly. And even then, some people start growing balls they never knew they had when they don't see you and can't hear you. If you have an issue with your commish, call him on the phone and talk to him like a man. Then, if he truly is in the wrong and being a #### about it instead of it just being a miscommunication, threaten him with physical violence and then drive to his house and kick his ### if need be. At least let your leaguemates know what a #### he is and get them altogether to banish the commisher or take away his powers. If your leaguemates don't care, then you are a sap with a bunch of b!@#!-###, backstabbing friends and you need to grow some balls and get some new friends that are real.

If you're doing a league online with people you don't know, I hope you have a good relationship with the commish and that you have a good set of rules. Personally, I like for my online leagues to have a structure to veto ANYTHING from trades to rules to league decisions. I am very prone to walk in a league where there is no structure in place, because usually they just turn into a clusterf.

Let the commish hold power to resolve issues avoid wasting time on petty one, EXCEPT when any member of the league brings a matter up to a league vote. Anyone should be able to bring any issue to a vote. Bottomline, is that some people get on a powertrip when they are given authority and it really doesn't help when they are sitting behind a keyboard and a monitor. This is just a natural tendency for some people.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I ran into a weird issue recently as well. The commissioner threatened to remove my team because I didn't reject his trade offer on a timely basis (a week during the offseason and the Memorial Day weekend). There was some history here and we already had a long (what I thought was positive) e-mail thread with me telling him I wasn't interested in the players involved in the trade and my rationale, etc. After I went in and rejected the trade, he removed my team.

In our subsequent e-mail thread, it was clear we were not on the same page. E.g., during the draft, I made a trade for draft picks and the clock expired before I was able to make my pick, and replied to all complaining about the situation. He immediately got defensive and told me it wasn't his fault and later claimed I accused him of doing it on purpose. When I told him he was reading more into my e-mails than was actually there, he said he was "insulted that I would question his reading comprehension skills". He also pointed to the disagreement we had re: player values, strategy as evidence that "I thought he was stupid". He removed my team because I was "a negligent owner" and then when I got upset at him for doing so told me he was considering letting me back in until I was obnoxious (which as I said it was because I was being obnoxious.

The moral is that some commissioners let the power go to their head. It's "their" league, and God forbid if you question them. As I pointed out to the commish in the previous story (and which he took great offense to), there is an inherent conflict of interest when you are running the league and competing in the same league, especially when there's money involved. A commissioner needs to be able to separate his roles as an owner competing in the league and the administrative role in running the league. It's a very difficult thing to do, but if there's a situation that even LOOKS like there might be something amiss, it's important to remove all doubt. This is why I use an executive committee in the leagues I run, and excuse myself (and others) for any decisions where there is a vested interest on one side or another.

Couldn't disagree more. A commissioner isn't a high school teen trying to remain popular with her friends. He doesn't have to jump through hoops because someone might think there's an appearance of impropriety.If a commissioner is guilty until proven innocent, that's not a fun league. You either trust your commish or you don't. If owners can't even give him the beenfit of the doubt, there's a problem. If it looks like something could be amiss...owners should think about how trustworthy the guy is. He shouldn't have to bend over backwards to prove his innocence.

Then again, some commissioners are packmules and enjoy the burden of doing everything while being treated like a criminal who's on parole. But I don't think that's appropriate for a fantasy football league.

 

[corpcow]

It's a very difficult thing to do, but if there's a situation that even LOOKS like there might be something amiss, it's important to remove all doubt.

Couldn't disagree more. A commissioner isn't a high school teen trying to remain popular with her friends. He doesn't have to jump through hoops because someone might think there's an appearance of impropriety.If a commissioner is guilty until proven innocent, that's not a fun league. You either trust your commish or you don't. If owners can't even give him the beenfit of the doubt, there's a problem. If it looks like something could be amiss...owners should think about how trustworthy the guy is. He shouldn't have to bend over backwards to prove his innocence.

Then again, some commissioners are packmules and enjoy the burden of doing everything while being treated like a criminal who's on parole. But I don't think that's appropriate for a fantasy football league.

That's how I run my leagues - I am, or try to be, supremely fair and balanced across the board. I think my owners know this and trust me accordingly. But there are times where being an owner and being a commissioner conflict. In these circumstances, I personally feel that it's better for me to recuse myself from the decision rather than even get into the "guilty until proven innocent" / "innocent until proven guilty" discussion. The real problem is that it's tough to prove either way. If you can't see the waiver bids at all, no one can accuse you of using them in an underhanded way. If you can see them, and you want the player, you're in a tough situation if someone accuses you. Even if you truly and honestly didn't use them, it creates doubt which can lead to problems - and I think it's better to preemptively remove the doubt.

Maybe that's why my owners trust me?

Seriously, though, if it's a long running league and/or one where everyone knows everyone personally, I agree that you can defer to the commissioner more. In an online league started 2 years ago that you found through a forum like this, I think the burden is on the commissioner to earn that trust, and one way is to remove all doubt in situations like this.

Let's put this in perspective - we don't let Supreme Court Justices sit on a case when they have a conflict of interest just to remove the appearance of impropriety, and these are the people who we trust to be the most impartial out there.

 

[Chaka]

He doesn't have to jump through hoops because someone might think there's an appearance of impropriety.

The perception of impropriety can be just as damaging as the actual impropriety. If you have a position of higher authority then you must accept the greater responsibility and you better be prepared to hold yourself to a higher standard because everyone else will.To many wanna-be dictators run leagues.

 

[Chaka]

The commish just booted me when I stood up to him. I have the notion to post his email and give you all the site, but I will refrain for the time being.I was in second place and not far out of first, by points.He had the ability to view all potential trade offers and transactions. I asked him to remove that ability. He said "no". What kind of response is that? I threatened him, to either change the rights or find another owner...he took away all my right, password, you name it...GONE.That's messed up! I have been the most active person in the 2 year existence and now...BOOTED.

I'm honestly not trying to take the other side, but seriously the way you describe all of this is you deserved to get kicked out of the league. There are things that are made difficult by turning that option off and the way you came at the commish was like "Dude, you're an untrustworthy, dishonest guy, remove that option or i quit" which i'd have also replied "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".Seriously it sounds like you were rude and out of line.

You guys are so thin-skinned it's hilarious. "You hurt my feelings so I'm gonna take my ball and go home." I agree that if threats were made, physical violence is suggested, or cheating is done, an eviction from a league MAY be in order. Only if it cannot be resolved. But seriously, what kind of man runs from ever fight he has to face? Especially if it's just "the way you handled it" as so many of you say. Sure, he might not have handled it the best, and he did tell the commish to kick him out if he didn't agree... but the idea that it's "my way or the highway" is so anti-American. And so darned wimpy. "I only want guys around who are nice to me." Get some balls boys!

Y'know I agree with the fact that the OP merely got what he asked for and that he did not handle the situation well to begin with but patriarchz has a great point, even if it is only a tangent to the OP. People today are far to thin skinned. It is okay to argue or have heated discussions that reach an impasse. People don't always get along and just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they are threatening you. An unmeasured responses reek of sensitivity, arrogance, an inability to deal with adversity and an overall lack of critical thinking.

It's ok to disagree...

No it isn't.

 

[SharkBait]

You're "lightning in a bottle" baby, you don't need to take that crap.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

He doesn't have to jump through hoops because someone might think there's an appearance of impropriety.

The perception of impropriety can be just as damaging as the actual impropriety. If you have a position of higher authority then you must accept the greater responsibility and you better be prepared to hold yourself to a higher standard because everyone else will.To many wanna-be dictators run leagues.

In my opinion, the dictators are the owners who think commissioners are puppets who are expected to dance their way to innocence if anyone might, at some point, have the notion of accusing them of something. A commissioner is NOT supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard. Every member of the league should be held to the same very high standard. What you might think is the right standard for a commish is really the standard everyone should have. I totally agree that a commish should put the league's interests before his own team's. So should every owner, even if they don't always do that. But there is no reaosn a commish should be assumed guilty, or need to prove their innocence in every hypothetical. The perception of impropriety damages the accuser if there's no evidence of impropriety. If a commish has given you no reaosn to think he's ever done anything but the right thing, that reputation should do the talking. When I play in a league and I'm not the commish, I really enjoy having someone in the role I trust. I don't expect them to hold themselves to a different standard. I expect them to play fair, like everyone else. I would also make sure any accuser has some evidence, or they'll have to defend themsevles from accusations of sour grapes or being a tool. If I was in a league where owners didn't trust the comish, I wouldn't want the job. What kind of fun is that? Like I said earlier, some commissioners enjoy being a packmule and proving just how honest they are-- over and over and over. It's like a bank account where you keep making deposits...but always have a zero balance. I definitely don't expect my commissioners to play the game like that. But if they enjoy the abuse, I guess that's okay with me.