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OMG. Sometimes it's best to go with what you know about a player. . When Jeudy is the next Marvin Harrison and Bryan Edwards or Donovan Peoples-Jones is the next WR bust, it will be more clear.
You need to read through the thread - he had them all in the same tier and when people gave him grief he broke them into two tiers based on size as a “deciding” factor. His whole system is analytics based and this is just a first draft until the combine testing.
Yep, nothing wrong with different viewpoints for sure....but they sure are different
I’m not trying to be right, I’m trying to identify which players are most likely to succeed.Yep, nothing wrong with different viewpoints for sure....but they sure are different
As big of a fan I am of Higgins and Shenault, if I'm picking 1 WR NOT to bust with 100% certainty, it's Bryan Edwards.
Why is that? He never had a 1000 yard season and not more than 8 TDs in a season. Are you going to blame it on the QB for 4 years?
Blindly stating Benny Snell > Miles Sanders and not giving much reason why except for counting stats and a general hatred for basic athleticism.
I owned up to that mistake some time ago. You didn't really answer my question. Just because I scoff at you for putting Jeudy and Lamb in a lower tier than a lot of guys who will be scrubs, doesn't compare to Snell and Sanders. Based on that logic I would have been promoting Sanders, not Snell. I believe you just like being oppositional for oppositional's sake.
His movement is the same as Jeudy's and he has 2 inches and 20 pounds on him. Plus the breakout age of 17.9 (17.8 depending on when you start it). Yes his supporting cast was garbage, but he had a certain WR named Deebo beside him a lot of the time and his numbers are almost the same. Deebo on that same offense was actually worse over his 4 years than Edwards was. Never had 1000 himself and Edwards had over 1000 yards total than Deebo had (although injury played a part there) at SC.
Samuel at least had 11 tds his senior season
You have to admit Edwards was an underachiever. I don’t have Jeudy or Lamb in a lower tier. My point is you’ve done this dance for multiple years.
Never said he didn't. He also only had 16 TD's for all 4 years, were you saying Deebo sucks last year? Cause I was saying he was a personal favorite. Deebo played 5 games as a freshman with a total of 161 yards, Edwards played 12 games and got 590.Samuel at least had 11 tds his senior season
Robert Woods has a 27.3 BMI... pretty big for a WR. Kupp’s is 26.7. I’m not seeing this comparison for Jeudy and Lamb. Hopefully they weigh in closer to 26.
I'm a big Edwards fan but would be shocked if he ran sub 4.5. As long as he can stay somewhere in the 4.5s I still like his chances. I believe he'll be a better pro than he was a college player. With Deebo gone this was going to be Edwards big year, but when Bentley went out the freshman QB hurt that. Be very surprised it he doesn't go day 2.
Interesting that your list looks nothing like the consensus. My top 24 lists over the years tend to be quite different as well. I just don't like to share due to all the message board experts that make it a point dismiss them. Over the years I have found my lists to be more useful.Took a rough stab at a top 24... not really how I like to do business during draft time but I'm ok how it is right now.
1) Akers
2) Taylor
3) Dobbins
4) Swift
5) Reagor
6) Shenault
7) Higgins
Edwards-Helaire
9) Br. Edwards
10) Tyler Johnson
11) Lamb
12) Burrow
13) Tua
14) Vaughn
15) Jeudy
16) Jefferson
17) Thad Moss
18) Cole Kmet
19) Gabriel Davis
20) Cody White
21) Gandy-Golden
22) J. Love
23) Herbert
24) J. Hurts
Many of the film guys are marching Jeudy forward as a generational type but that’s not what I see. People always take this wrong because they say or think: “well you’re saying he’s bad!” Then when he has a low end WR2 ceiling they go: “Told you so!” Here are some reasons I don’t see him as a generational WR or WR1 and I see his ceiling as a mid tier WR2:bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I don’t know that you should “sour” on him. He will be a first, I have little doubt of that. He’s the same size as Calvin Ridley. I just don’t think you should go out of your way to make him your top pick. I don’t see his ceiling as being a high end WR1.
Interesting. I don't recall what I was looking at that had them smaller.
I think Taylor and Akers will prove to be more athletic than Dobbins and Swift. That being said situation and draft capital will sway me. CEH also could get into the conversation if it was say early 2nd to someone like the Chiefs (dart throw hypothetical).
Not sure what’s going on with that but you’re not the only one with variance in weight against what they list.
That probably suggests I may be too slavish to the 245 number as there is room to put on weight and play at a high level in the NFL. I’m not changing anything right now. I guess I’ll wait until the combine to figure out where to go. Hopefully the weigh in’s and athleticism start to align things.
What are your sources on those speeds for Edwards & Jeudy? I'm putting together my own list and haven't seen those ones.
Edwards: https://twitter.com/pacificscouting/status/1016442257233272833?s=21
This is not the year of the TE, but if you held a knife under my throat I would take Cole Kmet in the later rounds. Next year is the year of the TE with Kyle Pitts and Brevin Jordan, both studs.
You can have all those TEs from this year and I'll just wait until next year and hope I land either Pitts or Jordan. If I have to have a TE for this year I would rather trade for an experienced one.
Realistically, how much weight can a player gain in the month-ish since the Senior Bowl? I put a lot of skepticism into what I consider to be "water weight" for players who magically weigh in far better at the Combine.
