Idea to take Football Guys to the NEXT LEVEL (1 Viewer)

[Maven]

Heres an idea I had that I would pursue if I had the cashola. It requires an NFL license, to allow use of their game footage. I think the license is a cool $100k but I think if Football Guys pursued this idea they'd push themselves over the edge as THEE fantasy sports king of information. I think its worth the investment and Im surprised a large company like ESPN hasn't already came out with it (I could see this as an ESPN Insider package deal?).

Without further ado heres the idea...

Requirements

[*]Time

[*]Money

[*]NFL License

[*]Football guys Video Editing Team

[*]Football guys Charting team

Idea

Lets call it Footballguys NextLevel Fantasy Football Scouting (random name)

Imagine a page with just a search bar (ie Google) ...

Lets search for our beloved Chris Johnson...

Everyone wants to know... whats up with Chris Johnson this season? Theres been countless articles and reasons...what if we had access to edited and chopped game footage of every carry/touch/target. I'm talking breakdowns carries to the left, carries to the right, carries up the middle, carries for loss AT OUR FINGERTIPS...IN EDITED CHOPPED VIDEO.

Upon searching for a player, youd have access to any week and a detailed breakdown of the stats footballguys already provides...BUT WITH SUPPORTING VISUAL EVIDENCE for your viewing pleasure.

You could do this for QB RB WR TE. Breaking down passes to the left, passes over 20 yards, screen passes, targets, drop balls, fumbles, ...etc, etc, etc ..all with video footage.

It would require TIME AND EFFORT from a charting team to chart plays and edit the footage.

Maybe a partnership with Footballguys Profootball Focus and Football Outsiders? hmmm

Just an idea but if I had the money I'd do this in a heartbeat.

Thoughts?

 

[John 14:6]

Nice idea, but I'm guessing FBG is just a tad understaffed to do something like this.

 

[Clutch is Eli]

Awesome idea. Time, effort and money are major obstacles. As many die hard fantasy fans that are out there, I think the general fantasy community is looking for quick points of information and doesn't necessarily have time to review the game footage themselves. I would imagine (and hope) that many of the articles we read on here and other reputable sites, come from writers who are breaking down video themselves....

 

[doeseatplace]

This is a great idea. Could I use this page to ask whether I should start Alex Green or Vick Ballard this week?

(Seriously, it really is kind of a cool concept)

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think the NFL would let this happen. At the very least, the money requried to use such extensive footage would make it impossible to profit. We are talking about every play, from every game.

 

[Captain Hook]

I don't think the NFL would let this happen. At the very least, the money requried to use such extensive footage would make it impossible to profit. We are talking about every play, from every game.

I agree and even IF they did, What does the OP think subscribers would be willing to pay for the additional feature? .... it certainly wouldn't be covered by a basic subscription

 

[MechEng]

You could contract one person to follow each team and edit the game video. This could be a side job for someone and it could be done at home, I would think. This would cut down on overhead cost.

 

[Concept Coop]

You could contract one person to follow each team and edit the game video. This could be a side job for someone and it could be done at home, I would think. This would cut down on overhead cost.

The NFL makes big money off of 5-10 second clips. What do you think it would cost to have access to everything? Beyond that - it would compete against NFL products, like Game Rewind, NFL Films, etcetera.

 

[WildGeneral]

Call me a skeptic, but I don't know why this is a good idea?

I mean, the video sounds nice, but would anybody really use it? I come here because the site condenses the entire league into articles, databases, and summaries that allow me to have a semi-normal life. Having a database of all 30 of Arian Foster's rushes last week doesn't really add much substance to the fact that he looked good doing it.

As described, you'd spend hours looking at footage that you could read in minutes--Am I missing something?

 

[Khy]

I don't think the NFL would let this happen. At the very least, the money requried to use such extensive footage would make it impossible to profit. We are talking about every play, from every game.

I agree and even IF they did, What does the OP think subscribers would be willing to pay for the additional feature? .... it certainly wouldn't be covered by a basic subscription

I'm pretty sure they already call this "Game Rewind" you can view any game in under; what is it like 30 minutes? Sure you don't get to JUST see CJ's 12 carries. I'm just saying that's a relatively cheap service because all they do is edit out all the downtime. This service would take more work than that, how much more than $40/year do you think people would be willing to spend for such a service? I thought about subscribing to Game Rewind then I realized something. That's what I subscribe here for, these guys break down the film for me and through listening to their podcasts on the way to and from work every day and reading the few specific articles I read week to week, I already gain this service. I doubt I'd pay more than an extra $10-15 a year for a service like this and I doubt that would be enough for FBG to make a relevant profit from it.

 

[NeverEnough]

Awesome idea. Time, effort and money are major obstacles. As many die hard fantasy fans that are out there, I think the general fantasy community is looking for quick points of information and doesn't necessarily have time to review the game footage themselves. I would imagine (and hope) that many of the articles we read on here and other reputable sites, come from writers who are breaking down video themselves....

 

[solorca]

I don't think the NFL would let this happen. At the very least, the money requried to use such extensive footage would make it impossible to profit. We are talking about every play, from every game.

I agree and even IF they did, What does the OP think subscribers would be willing to pay for the additional feature? .... it certainly wouldn't be covered by a basic subscription

I'm pretty sure they already call this "Game Rewind" you can view any game in under; what is it like 30 minutes? Sure you don't get to JUST see CJ's 12 carries.

Actually, you kind of can. I only access it from my ipad, but I assume it's the same from PC. I can't just click "Chris Johnson" and watch all of his plays, but I CAN look at the play by play and individually click on each play he's listed as being a part of. I also have All-22 access, so I can look at the coaches tape to watch exactly how/why he made a specific play happen or fail.I don't have the time to watch every player, but if there is a particular player I'm scouting for my team, I'll go through a few games like that.

 

[footballnerd]

I'm sure Sabertooth can give better details, but he uses some subscription on the NFL website for his "Who do we target" threads, where he can break down a game play by play for a certain player.

 

[Modog814]

Would love to see play charts, I think this is the next logical step and where sharks will get their edge in a world of instant information. The problem though is one, it's very time consuming. I planned on doing it this year, but it was just taking way too long for the level of detail I would need to make it worth while, especially considering I have a family and full time job. Two, the people that do this type of work, would need to be adequately compensated for their work, if they're willing to share to begin with since it's their edge.

As for the video, it'd be cool, but I don't think I could see a justification of a 100K licensing fee. Between that and paying people to chart and edit videos, the subscription price would have to increase. Not sure I see the desire being wide spread enough to include this. I think an alternate idea would be to produce a guide that went hand and hand with NFL Rewind. Each player would have listed the play, their role in it, and where to find it (time marker) on NFL rewind, and then a short description analyzing the play. For example,

1st Quarter 15:00 Chris Johnson 2 Yard Rush Right Johnson tried to bounce run around right tackle instead of cutting back to hit a developing hole (20 seconds into Game)

1st Quarter 14:20 Chris Johnson Pass Protection Johnson stayed in on pass protection against blitz. Whiffed on block resulting in Locker sack. (1 minute into Game Tape)

ect.

This would allow people to get the quick points on how a player is doing, plus show them where to find the play if desired.

The other thing I'd like to see is a break down of stats and plays by personel, vs different defenses (3-4 vs 4-3, man vs zone coverage) and rushing stats by blocking scheme. Although the easiest way to get this information is probably to just find a bunch of people interested in this stuff and dish out the games so everyone takes a game or 2 each week, and then pool the information.

 

[Concept Coop]

As for the video, it'd be cool, but I don't think I could see a justification of a 100K licensing fee.

You think that would be it? Access to every play, from every game, for the entire year +? And the ability to share it with whomever, and that whomever doesn't send their money directly to the NFL?100K is nothing to the NFL. Giving so much access - essentially letting people potentially watch entire games - will never happen. The potential ad money the NFL would be throwing away alone...It would be nice. But the only way it would happen, is - like you suggest - a game log pointing players to certain spots in a game. Video isn't realistic.

 

[Modog814]

As for the video, it'd be cool, but I don't think I could see a justification of a 100K licensing fee.

You think that would be it? Access to every play, from every game, for the entire year +? And the ability to share it with whomever, and that whomever doesn't send their money directly to the NFL?100K is nothing to the NFL. Giving so much access - essentially letting people potentially watch entire games - will never happen. The potential ad money the NFL would be throwing away alone...It would be nice. But the only way it would happen, is - like you suggest - a game log pointing players to certain spots in a game. Video isn't realistic.

The OP mentioned the 100K, I took him for his word because I have no reason to doubt him. If it's more, than there is even less justification for doing it.

 

[nightmare]

Last nights game we saw M Mayok show us why C Johnson isn't doing better

this year. $40 a season gets you the regular version of NFL rewind with some

coach's tape, $60 a season gets you any coach's tape. NEXT LEVEL is already

here-the NFL has it- for $60 you can see it. I don't have the $60 version.

Last year I had the $40 version-It replaced streaming and cable TV-I won't be

going back.

 

[Maven]

Thanks for the responses...

Yes coaches tape and nfl rewind are here but ...the granularity of it isnt down to my idea. You'd still need to fast forward to CJ's carries... and wouldnt be able to break it down by play type, outcome, etc.

Mysynergysports.com already does this for the NBA...every play is broken down and accessible via video. IT CAN BE DONE...just need the manpower time and $$$.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Thats so Maven.

 

[Clifford]

Heres an idea I had that I would pursue if I had the cashola. It requires an NFL license, to allow use of their game footage. I think the license is a cool $100k but I think if Football Guys pursued this idea they'd push themselves over the edge as THEE fantasy sports king of information. I think its worth the investment and Im surprised a large company like ESPN hasn't already came out with it (I could see this as an ESPN Insider package deal?).

Without further ado heres the idea...

Requirements

[*]Time

[*]Money

[*]NFL License

[*]Football guys Video Editing Team

[*]Football guys Charting team

Idea

Lets call it Footballguys NextLevel Fantasy Football Scouting (random name)

Imagine a page with just a search bar (ie Google) ...

Lets search for our beloved Chris Johnson...

Everyone wants to know... whats up with Chris Johnson this season? Theres been countless articles and reasons...what if we had access to edited and chopped game footage of every carry/touch/target. I'm talking breakdowns carries to the left, carries to the right, carries up the middle, carries for loss AT OUR FINGERTIPS...IN EDITED CHOPPED VIDEO.

Upon searching for a player, youd have access to any week and a detailed breakdown of the stats footballguys already provides...BUT WITH SUPPORTING VISUAL EVIDENCE for your viewing pleasure.

You could do this for QB RB WR TE. Breaking down passes to the left, passes over 20 yards, screen passes, targets, drop balls, fumbles, ...etc, etc, etc ..all with video footage.

It would require TIME AND EFFORT from a charting team to chart plays and edit the footage.

Maybe a partnership with Footballguys Profootball Focus and Football Outsiders? hmmm

Just an idea but if I had the money I'd do this in a heartbeat.

Thoughts?

I'm down. If we can get enough seed money to support me for the year plus it takes to pull this off, I'm totally down. Great idea.NM, already being done and being for far lower overhead than we could possibly achieve. Nice thought though.

 

[cstu]

I don't think the NFL would let this happen. At the very least, the money requried to use such extensive footage would make it impossible to profit. We are talking about every play, from every game.

The NFL itself should provide this. Personally, I'd pay $50 a year for it.

 

[cstu]

I'm down. If we can get enough seed money to support me for the year plus it takes to pull this off, I'm totally down. Great idea.NM, already being done and being for far lower overhead than we could possibly achieve. Nice thought though.

PM Chet.

 

[cstu]

Last nights game we saw M Mayok show us why C Johnson isn't doing better this year. $40 a season gets you the regular version of NFL rewind with some coach's tape, $60 a season gets you any coach's tape. NEXT LEVEL is already here-the NFL has it- for $60 you can see it. I don't have the $60 version. Last year I had the $40 version-It replaced streaming and cable TV-I won't be going back.

The Coaches Film looks cool, but not exactly what we're looking for here.

Coaches FilmAvailable only from the NFL, Coaches Film shows you exclusive angles (All-22 and EndZone) that let you watch and analyze the game like a pro football coach.

 

[nightmare]

So, we're talking about individual player film? EXACTLY what you don't want. The camera would be keyed in on that player and wouldn't show how much more they could have done. C Johnson with Mayok showing coach's film on him was a good example. If that's not good enough for fantasy football then this game(ff) is going nuts.

Last nights game we saw M Mayok show us why C Johnson isn't doing better this year. $40 a season gets you the regular version of NFL rewind with some coach's tape, $60 a season gets you any coach's tape. NEXT LEVEL is already here-the NFL has it- for $60 you can see it. I don't have the $60 version. Last year I had the $40 version-It replaced streaming and cable TV-I won't be going back.

The Coaches Film looks cool, but not exactly what we're looking for here.

Coaches FilmAvailable only from the NFL, Coaches Film shows you exclusive angles (All-22 and EndZone) that let you watch and analyze the game like a pro football coach.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I thought nfl.com already had that feature where you could search on a player and see all his plays.

or maybe they had it and discontinued it last year, or something.

if fbg wants to get to the next level they'll have to just farm wild hogs for xp.

 

[Drop]

I suggest contacting the NFL Rewind people and urging them to include preseason footage in "Super Fans" packages. For many players who emerge the only tape on them is preseason stuff, which isn't included in the full rewind package for some reason. If you feel the same way do your part and let them know, and spread the word...

Call customer support (any time from 12:00pm ET to 10:00pm ET) at 407-936-0867

Send an e-mail to gamerewind.support@nfl.com

Chat with a customer service representative at http://nfl.com/subscriptionsupport

 

[cstu]

So, we're talking about individual player film? EXACTLY what you don't want. The camera would be keyed in on that player and wouldn't show how much more they could have done. C Johnson with Mayok showing coach's film on him was a good example. If that's not good enough for fantasy football then this game(ff) is going nuts.

I want the coach's tape but with the individual players plays edited out. That way I wouldn't have to watch the entire game to look at one player.

 

[nightmare]

If the NFL could put markers in where that tape starts and stops for that player

and it fast forwards(really fast) through the rest-that sounds easier then editing.

Mark it for each WR/TE/RB that gets targeted or defensive sacks/int's and tackles.

Either one would be great.

I want the coach's tape but with the individual players plays edited out. That way I wouldn't have to watch the entire game to look at one player.

 

[Dismattle]

I believe the best optioon would involve FBG having a program/editor that you run whille viewing the NFL game rewind service (see the play/angle, pointing out what is significant) It might not cost FBG much, because the NFL could view it as something that might increase sub's. Basically a person orders game rewind, and signs into FBG whille viewing the game/player. Im not sure the results woould always leave a warm fuzzy feellin. ie. Two people can see the same thing w totally different reactions. But seeing is believing too!

 

[cstu]

If the NFL could put markers in where that tape starts and stops for that player and it fast forwards(really fast) through the rest-that sounds easier then editing. Mark it for each WR/TE/RB that gets targeted or defensive sacks/int's and tackles. Either one would be great.

I want the coach's tape but with the individual players plays edited out. That way I wouldn't have to watch the entire game to look at one player.

Great idea.

 

[flc735]

in the future, i want this and the ability to match similar plays together and ghost 1 video over the other, so we can compare step by step how doug martin ran the 32 power vs trent richardson

 

[nightmare]

You can do multiple windows with Rewind-it's not ghosting but side by side or 4x4 is almost as good.

in the future, i want this and the ability to match similar plays together and ghost 1 video over the other, so we can compare step by step how doug martin ran the 32 power vs trent richardson