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If Branch is traded which Sea WR will breakout? (1 Viewer)
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cubbie5150
Footballguy
Probably Tate...the current staff drafted him, so they're likely more invested in him than Butler, though I think Butler should get the shot. I just don't buy into BMW...
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
butler is always the most likely suspect.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
butler was great in college and then ran a 4.3 something
shown flashes this year. gotta think hes got the potential to be a stud.
shown flashes this year. gotta think hes got the potential to be a stud.
Abrantes
Footballguy
It's not like Branch is hogging all the targets to bring down the value of the other guys.CaptainHook
Footballguy
hass will probly throw for ~3500 yrads
600 to TE
600 to RB
2300 split up among those 3 WRs one of them will definitely get ~1000
its easier to illustrate their value using full season numbers so i didnt bother taking away the 1/4 of the saeson
One of these guys pretty MUST be a decent fantasy player assuming branch gets traded. With all 4 of them there its really ugly though.
600 to TE
600 to RB
2300 split up among those 3 WRs one of them will definitely get ~1000
its easier to illustrate their value using full season numbers so i didnt bother taking away the 1/4 of the saeson
One of these guys pretty MUST be a decent fantasy player assuming branch gets traded. With all 4 of them there its really ugly though.
Mr. Bojangles
Footballguy
Brandon Stokely 
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I don't know about his targets, but he IS hogging snaps.can't have a target w/o a snap.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
ft_ball_fn
Footballguy
the OP needs to modify this post... no one is catch even a cold in SEA so far... Branch wasn't stopping them.
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Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
If you guys haven't noticed, G Tate has done the most with the least # of targets.
BTW, Tate was better than Butler in college (to the person who said "butler was great in college")
BTW, Tate was better than Butler in college (to the person who said "butler was great in college")
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
but the pats essentially traded maroney for branch, therefore, by transitivity, maroney = lynch
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Vincent Jackson
Lynch >>> Maroney
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Offense Personnel Groupings
Including a fake field goal, the Seattle Seahawks ran 65 official offensive plays against the St. Louis Rams on Sunday. Below is a breakdown of how the Seahawks used personnel groupings, followed by each player’s individual snap counts.
“10” (1 RB, 4WR, 0 TE) personnel was used on 2 plays (2 passes)
“11” (1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 20 plays (16 passes, 4 runs)
“12” (1 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE) personnel was used on 22 plays (11 passes, 11 runs)
“20” (2 RB, 3 WR) personnel was used on 3 plays (3 passes)
“21” (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 6 plays (2 passes, 4 runs)
“22” (2 RB, 1 WR, 2 TE) personnel was used on 11 plays (7 passes, 4 runs)
Fake Field Goal (1 run)
Seattle used two-tight end sets on 33 of 64 (51.6%) of their standard offensive snaps on Sunday.
Offensive Line Snap Count
76 – Russell Okung – 27 of 64 (42.2%) at LT
78 – Tyler Polumbus –37 of 64 (57.8%) at LT; 27 of 64 (42.2%) at RT
50 – Ben Hamilton – 64 of 64 (100.0%) at LG
65 – Chris Spencer - 64 of 64 (100.0%) at C
77 – Stacy Andrews – 64 of 64 (100.0%) at RG
75 – Sean Locklear – 37 of 64 (57.8%) at RT
- Offensive line snaps do not include the fake field goal attempt.
Offensive Participation Count
8 – Matt Hasselbeck – 64 of 65 (98.5%)
9 – Jon Ryan – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
10 – Olindo Mare – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
11 – Deon Butler – 26 of 65 (40.0%)
15 – Brandon Stokley – 20 of 65 (30.8%)
17 – Mike Williams – 38 of 65 (58.5%)
20 – Justin Forsett – 57 of 65 (87.7%)
26 – Michael Robinson – 17 of 65 (26.2%)
33 – Leon Washington – 10 of 65 (15.4%)
49 – Clint Gresham – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
50 – Ben Hamilton – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
64 – Mike Gibson – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
65 – Chris Spencer – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
75 – Sean Locklear – 38 of 65 (58.5%)
76 – Russell Okung – 27 of 65 (41.5%)
77 – Stacy Andrews – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
78 – Tyler Polumbus – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
81 – Golden Tate – 15 of 65 (23.1%)
83 – Deion Branch – 45 of 65 (69.2%)
86 – Chris Baker – 33 of 65 (50.8%)
88 – Cameron Morrah - 2 of 65 (3.1% )
89 – John Carlson – 59 of 65 (90.8%)
- Forsett and Washington were in the same backfield on three plays.
- Butler was the lone WR in Seattle’s single receiver packages.
- All of Stokley’s snaps were in 3+ WR packages, including when Seattle used 4-WR, replacing Butler in that grouping. Stokley lined up in the slot on 19 of his 20 snaps.
- Williams and Branch were the receivers in “21”, i.e. “Regular” personnel.
- Carlson was split wide or “flexed” off the line of scrimmage on 19 of 58 (32.8%) offensive snaps.
http://sea.scout.com/2/1008560.html
Including a fake field goal, the Seattle Seahawks ran 65 official offensive plays against the St. Louis Rams on Sunday. Below is a breakdown of how the Seahawks used personnel groupings, followed by each player’s individual snap counts.
“10” (1 RB, 4WR, 0 TE) personnel was used on 2 plays (2 passes)
“11” (1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 20 plays (16 passes, 4 runs)
“12” (1 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE) personnel was used on 22 plays (11 passes, 11 runs)
“20” (2 RB, 3 WR) personnel was used on 3 plays (3 passes)
“21” (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 6 plays (2 passes, 4 runs)
“22” (2 RB, 1 WR, 2 TE) personnel was used on 11 plays (7 passes, 4 runs)
Fake Field Goal (1 run)
Seattle used two-tight end sets on 33 of 64 (51.6%) of their standard offensive snaps on Sunday.
Offensive Line Snap Count
76 – Russell Okung – 27 of 64 (42.2%) at LT
78 – Tyler Polumbus –37 of 64 (57.8%) at LT; 27 of 64 (42.2%) at RT
50 – Ben Hamilton – 64 of 64 (100.0%) at LG
65 – Chris Spencer - 64 of 64 (100.0%) at C
77 – Stacy Andrews – 64 of 64 (100.0%) at RG
75 – Sean Locklear – 37 of 64 (57.8%) at RT
- Offensive line snaps do not include the fake field goal attempt.
Offensive Participation Count
8 – Matt Hasselbeck – 64 of 65 (98.5%)
9 – Jon Ryan – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
10 – Olindo Mare – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
11 – Deon Butler – 26 of 65 (40.0%)
15 – Brandon Stokley – 20 of 65 (30.8%)
17 – Mike Williams – 38 of 65 (58.5%)
20 – Justin Forsett – 57 of 65 (87.7%)
26 – Michael Robinson – 17 of 65 (26.2%)
33 – Leon Washington – 10 of 65 (15.4%)
49 – Clint Gresham – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
50 – Ben Hamilton – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
64 – Mike Gibson – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
65 – Chris Spencer – 1 of 65 (1.5%)
75 – Sean Locklear – 38 of 65 (58.5%)
76 – Russell Okung – 27 of 65 (41.5%)
77 – Stacy Andrews – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
78 – Tyler Polumbus – 65 of 65 (100.0%)
81 – Golden Tate – 15 of 65 (23.1%)
83 – Deion Branch – 45 of 65 (69.2%)
86 – Chris Baker – 33 of 65 (50.8%)
88 – Cameron Morrah - 2 of 65 (3.1% )
89 – John Carlson – 59 of 65 (90.8%)
- Forsett and Washington were in the same backfield on three plays.
- Butler was the lone WR in Seattle’s single receiver packages.
- All of Stokley’s snaps were in 3+ WR packages, including when Seattle used 4-WR, replacing Butler in that grouping. Stokley lined up in the slot on 19 of his 20 snaps.
- Williams and Branch were the receivers in “21”, i.e. “Regular” personnel.
- Carlson was split wide or “flexed” off the line of scrimmage on 19 of 58 (32.8%) offensive snaps.
http://sea.scout.com/2/1008560.html
smart trading
SaintArnold
Footballguy
Branch.
Utter Chaos
Footballguy
They'll probably trade a 4th round pick to the Vikings for Bernard Berrian.
Good info.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
It's early in the week, but Butler has been getting the most reps.
Edit: Other than Williams
Edit: Other than Williams
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cubbie5150
Footballguy
I figure the current regime would be favoring Tate since they drafted him.... I was kinda hoping to see Whitehurst on the field sooner rather than later (mostly out of curiosity), but given how terrible the NFC West is, Seattle still has as good of a shot as anyone of winning it, meaning Hass probably stays in the lineup...
saintfool
Dead sexy
bingo!Brandon Stokely
Can't be sure it's not just going to be a big committe approach but I've put my money on Golden Tate. I made a note to myself a few weeks ago to try and grab Tate after the Seahawks bye week which for me culminated with freeing up a roster spot on my team that week. My initial reason for wanting him was that he looked like the only guy on the entire Seahawk group of WR's that looked electric when he got the ball in his hands and I felt if the coaching staff was not ready to promote him he'd be a good hold until MW and/or Branch eventually got hurt. After the Branch trade rumors last week I decided to move up my plan a week and started rostering Golden Tate last week.
I was researching on Tate last week to see if I could find any comments that might allude to the team featuring him more coming out of the bye week. I came across this article which further sold me on him:http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/223934.asp
Of course there are reports circulating today that the Patriots and Seahawks have had at least preliminary discussions about a trade involving wide receiver Deion Branch.
This one makes sense on so many levels it would be more surprising if the two teams weren't talking.
For starters, it's Thursday and Seahawks GM John Schneider has now gone a full 24 hours without making a roster move.
Secondly, New England just traded away Randy Moss and the Seahawks just added Brandon Stokley, so numerically it makes sense for the Patriots to pick up their old receiver and for Seattle to move someone from its crowded core of pass catchers.
Thirdly, while Branch has disappointed in Seattle, he was loved in Boston as a Super Bowl MVP and favorite target of Tom Brady's before contract demands got in the way.
Fourthly, Branch clearly isn't part of the Seahawks' long-term plans at 31. And while coach Pete Carroll has sung his praises at every turn and Branch has played more snaps than any other Seattle receiver in the first four weeks, he's still totaled just 13 catches for 112 yards and one touchdown.
Fifthly, I stood at Seahawks practice on Wednesday and watched Golden Tate make four very nice catches in a matter of 30 minutes. Twice the rookie went up high between two receivers and came down with beautiful, tumbling catches. Once he caught a ball tipped by a defender, plucking it in stride and turning a bad play into a good one with his quick instincts.
And on the last one, he did a full spin to pull in a ball thrown behind him on an out route.
These are the kind of athletic plays Tate has shown regularly in practice since he arrived in Seattle. At some point, the Seahawks need to take off the training wheels and get him on the field.
I was researching on Tate last week to see if I could find any comments that might allude to the team featuring him more coming out of the bye week. I came across this article which further sold me on him:http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/223934.asp
Of course there are reports circulating today that the Patriots and Seahawks have had at least preliminary discussions about a trade involving wide receiver Deion Branch.
This one makes sense on so many levels it would be more surprising if the two teams weren't talking.
For starters, it's Thursday and Seahawks GM John Schneider has now gone a full 24 hours without making a roster move.
Secondly, New England just traded away Randy Moss and the Seahawks just added Brandon Stokley, so numerically it makes sense for the Patriots to pick up their old receiver and for Seattle to move someone from its crowded core of pass catchers.
Thirdly, while Branch has disappointed in Seattle, he was loved in Boston as a Super Bowl MVP and favorite target of Tom Brady's before contract demands got in the way.
Fourthly, Branch clearly isn't part of the Seahawks' long-term plans at 31. And while coach Pete Carroll has sung his praises at every turn and Branch has played more snaps than any other Seattle receiver in the first four weeks, he's still totaled just 13 catches for 112 yards and one touchdown.
Fifthly, I stood at Seahawks practice on Wednesday and watched Golden Tate make four very nice catches in a matter of 30 minutes. Twice the rookie went up high between two receivers and came down with beautiful, tumbling catches. Once he caught a ball tipped by a defender, plucking it in stride and turning a bad play into a good one with his quick instincts.
And on the last one, he did a full spin to pull in a ball thrown behind him on an out route.
These are the kind of athletic plays Tate has shown regularly in practice since he arrived in Seattle. At some point, the Seahawks need to take off the training wheels and get him on the field.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
While I voted Butler, I think it is really close between Butler and Tate.....Williams already playing more than they are....BUT there was no box for the correct answer......
D - none of the above they have Hass throwing for now with Whitehurst wariming up in the pen.....and I think they are only playable at home, they are Terrible on the road
D - none of the above they have Hass throwing for now with Whitehurst wariming up in the pen.....and I think they are only playable at home, they are Terrible on the road
saintfool
Dead sexy
he's been a ease for years now. i just don't see him stepping up all of the sudden.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Hmmm, Butler @ flanker starting w/ Tate @ split end sounds decent, doesn't it? Or do people still believe in the BMW rejuvenation?H.K. said:
I have Tate on my team and may be forced to play him. Fitz is one a bye and calvin may turn up hurt. So i lose Fitz/Calvin and have to replace them with Tate, lol. Anyway, it is a PPR league, so i'm thinking that Stokely may also be a worthy pickup. Hassleback already seemed comfortable with him, and he had a lot of catches in week 7. Tate is the high upside guy without a doubt. The kid is a running back that lines up as a WR. But Stokely may be the safe bet in PPR leagues for a potential 10 points or so.saintfool said:
CataclysmicThunder
Footballguy
Exactly. I voted for Butler.
