If Cordarrelle Patterson were in the 2014 NFL draft, would he be a top (1 Viewer)

[Concept Coop]

So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL. Does the same apply to all players or just Patterson?

I have no idea where you got that from.

 

[Khy]

See, I look at this differently. Displaying his positives is a much bigger deal than displaying his negatives. His negatives can be fixed with good coaching, which he'll have with Norv around. His positives are the things you can't teach. Vision, athleticism and how go put them together on a football field. Knowing that he can take those skills to the NFL and they look just add impressive as his college tape tells you his physical skills translate. Whether he can be coached or not is another story. But things like route running and catching technique are coaching issues. And it's not like he was coached badly, he simply didn't get much coaching period. So he could go the route of JPP where the coaching met the talent or he never learns and ends up just being anther Hester where he can't translate his talent to the WR position and instead starts to build a potential hof level returner career.

Norv is an OC. He's not going to being working on routes with CP--not that we'd want him to as dynasty owners.

And learning on the job, at this level, can only be so effective. That's why these traits are important and valued coming in. His route running is not likely to be "fixed". He can, and hopefully will, gain some polish. But if he goes on to have WR1 production, it will be despite his technical skill level, which I feel safe saying will always be below average.

Sure, fixed is a bad word. Polish is MUCH better. I didn't literally mean he'll be running routes like Jerry Rice. But I think he can be coached to a point where his physical skills can makeup for his mediocre route running and make him a top 5 receiver in the league. As for coaching, if I'm correct George Stewart is still the WR coach in Minny. Who has worked with a lot of great names in their rookie years and on: Roddy White, Percy Harvin, Terrell Owens.

Not saying Patterson will become them. Just saying, he's been a part of some big careers. Patterson might be the next one on his resume.

 

[Concept Coop]

Why will it always be below average? Did Demaryius Thomas come in a finished product? Was Dez Bryant an immediate stud? Jeffery? Gordon? etc. Almost every WR has work to do and their jump could be in year 2, year 3, etc.

What we know is Patterson is unbelievable at making people miss. I wrote this and it's evidence: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/04/04/the-elusiveness-factor-patterson-austin-woods-by-nick-whalen/ In fact, I think he may be the most elusive 6'2+ player ever. He showed it in the NFL as well.

You guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No Patterson isn't like AJ Green, Julio, DT, etc. But they're not like him either. It's not like he isn't athletic enough to catch a football or set up defenders or adjust to passes(he did that in year one).

Nowhere did I say he's a finished product, and I've expressed how elusive and explosive I feel he is. I have also stated--not in the exact words--that Patterson is a square peg. That's why I hoped he would be used like one (Harvin), but that doesn't appear to be the case, based on Norv's history.

As for learning on the job, again, there is only so far it can take you. I'm open to any and all counter-examples, but feel confident suggest that there aren't many. If it was as easy to coach up weaknesses as I feel is being suggested--Matt Jones would be dominating NFL corners still.

 

[jurb26]

So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL. Does the same apply to all players or just Patterson?

I have no idea where you go that from.

That's why these traits are important and valued coming in. His route running is not likely to be "fixed". He can, and hopefully will, gain some polish. But if he goes on to have WR1 production, it will be despite his technical skill level, which I feel safe saying will always be below average.

I got it from here. You said route running traits are important coming in. They can't be fixed and if he is ever a WR1 it will be despite his technical skill level which will always be below average. Not sure why you took the time to delete out the portion of your post when quoting me that clearly outlines where I would have gotten that from. How else am I supposed to read this?

 

[jurb26]

Why will it always be below average? Did Demaryius Thomas come in a finished product? Was Dez Bryant an immediate stud? Jeffery? Gordon? etc. Almost every WR has work to do and their jump could be in year 2, year 3, etc.

What we know is Patterson is unbelievable at making people miss. I wrote this and it's evidence: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/04/04/the-elusiveness-factor-patterson-austin-woods-by-nick-whalen/ In fact, I think he may be the most elusive 6'2+ player ever. He showed it in the NFL as well.

You guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No Patterson isn't like AJ Green, Julio, DT, etc. But they're not like him either. It's not like he isn't athletic enough to catch a football or set up defenders or adjust to passes(he did that in year one).

Nowhere did I say he's a finished product, and I've expressed how elusive and explosive I feel he is. I am have also stated--not in the exact words--that Patterson is a square peg. That's why I hoped he would be used like one (Harvin), but that doesn't appear to be the case, based on Norv's history.

As for learning on the job, again, there is only so far it can take you. I'm open to any and all counter-examples, but feel confident suggest that their aren't many. If it was easy to coach up weakness as I feel is being suggested--Matt Jones would be dominating NFL corners still.

You mean the Coke head and drug addict Matt Jones? Great example.

 

[Concept Coop]

So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL. Does the same apply to all players or just Patterson?

I have no idea where you go that from.

That's why these traits are important and valued coming in. His route running is not likely to be "fixed". He can, and hopefully will, gain some polish. But if he goes on to have WR1 production, it will be despite his technical skill level, which I feel safe saying will always be below average.

I got it from here. You said route running traits are important coming in. They can't be fixed and if he is ever a WR1 it will be despite his technical skill level which will always be below average. Not sure why you took the time to delete out the portion of your post when quoting me that clearly outlines where I would have gotten that from. How else am I supposed to read this?

I didn't delete out anything. And, again, I have no idea how you took what I said (quoted) and got this: "So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL."

That is very clearly--to me at least--not what I said.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Why will it always be below average? Did Demaryius Thomas come in a finished product? Was Dez Bryant an immediate stud? Jeffery? Gordon? etc. Almost every WR has work to do and their jump could be in year 2, year 3, etc.

What we know is Patterson is unbelievable at making people miss. I wrote this and it's evidence: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/04/04/the-elusiveness-factor-patterson-austin-woods-by-nick-whalen/ In fact, I think he may be the most elusive 6'2+ player ever. He showed it in the NFL as well.

You guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No Patterson isn't like AJ Green, Julio, DT, etc. But they're not like him either. It's not like he isn't athletic enough to catch a football or set up defenders or adjust to passes(he did that in year one).

Nowhere did I say he's a finished product, and I've expressed how elusive and explosive I feel he is. I am have also stated--not in the exact words--that Patterson is a square peg. That's why I hoped he would be used like one (Harvin), but that doesn't appear to be the case, based on Norv's history.

As for learning on the job, again, there is only so far it can take you. I'm open to any and all counter-examples, but feel confident suggest that their aren't many. If it was easy to coach up weakness as I feel is being suggested--Matt Jones would be dominating NFL corners still.

I'm with you on Patterson 100%, but Matt Jones' problems were far more about him not giving a damn about working hard vs. being unable to learn to run routes. And cocaine, can't forget that.

 

[Khy]

Why will it always be below average? Did Demaryius Thomas come in a finished product? Was Dez Bryant an immediate stud? Jeffery? Gordon? etc. Almost every WR has work to do and their jump could be in year 2, year 3, etc.

What we know is Patterson is unbelievable at making people miss. I wrote this and it's evidence: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/04/04/the-elusiveness-factor-patterson-austin-woods-by-nick-whalen/ In fact, I think he may be the most elusive 6'2+ player ever. He showed it in the NFL as well.

You guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No Patterson isn't like AJ Green, Julio, DT, etc. But they're not like him either. It's not like he isn't athletic enough to catch a football or set up defenders or adjust to passes(he did that in year one).

Nowhere did I say he's a finished product, and I've expressed how elusive and explosive I feel he is. I am have also stated--not in the exact words--that Patterson is a square peg. That's why I hoped he would be used like one (Harvin), but that doesn't appear to be the case, based on Norv's history.

As for learning on the job, again, there is only so far it can take you. I'm open to any and all counter-examples, but feel confident suggest that their aren't many. If it was easy to coach up weakness as I feel is being suggested--Matt Jones would be dominating NFL corners still.

I'm with you on Patterson 100%, but Matt Jones' problems were far more about him not giving a damn about working hard vs. being unable to learn to run routes. And cocaine, can't forget that.

Seriously, if things are so hard to teach why isn't Aaron Hernandez still dominating LBs?

/sarcasm

 

[jurb26]

So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL. Does the same apply to all players or just Patterson?

I have no idea where you go that from.

That's why these traits are important and valued coming in. His route running is not likely to be "fixed". He can, and hopefully will, gain some polish. But if he goes on to have WR1 production, it will be despite his technical skill level, which I feel safe saying will always be below average.

I got it from here. You said route running traits are important coming in. They can't be fixed and if he is ever a WR1 it will be despite his technical skill level which will always be below average. Not sure why you took the time to delete out the portion of your post when quoting me that clearly outlines where I would have gotten that from. How else am I supposed to read this?

I didn't delete out anything. And, again, I have no idea how you took what I said (quoted) and got this: "So your contention is that Patterson doesn't have the capability to learn any new skills or technique at all in the NFL."

That is very clearly--to me at least--not what I said.

Well, I'm not the only one who took it that way so maybe you should rephrase. The way it sounds now is about as absurd a statement as I've read here in a while to be honest. I'm not trying to be a jerk, is just don't get what you're saying at all apparently.

 

[Concept Coop]

just don't get what you're saying at all apparently.

Clearly. Maybe it's best that we address others, on the topic.

 

[Concept Coop]

Seriously, if things are so hard to teach why isn't Aaron Hernandez still dominating LBs?

/sarcasm

Because he didn't have Norv to teach him how.

Sure, bad example. But it was clear that Jones was in over his head well before we--well, I, at least--heard about the drug stuff.

We can use Jon Baldwin, too, to pick one of many.

 

[jurb26]

Seriously, if things are so hard to teach why isn't Aaron Hernandez still dominating LBs?

/sarcasm

Because he didn't have Norv to teach him how.

Sure, bad example. But it was clear that Jones was in over his head well before we--well, I, at least--heard about the drug stuff.

We can use Jon Baldwin, too, to pick one of many.

Baldwin is just as poor an example. He's a guy who had great physical traits in a vacuum but can't translate them on the field at all. I've said this since he was at Pitt. We already know for certain Patterson can translate his physical traits on the football field.

 

[Concept Coop]

Baldwin is just as poor an example. He's a guy who had great physical traits in a vacuum but can't translate them on the field at all. I've said this since he was at Pitt. We already know for certain Patterson can translate his physical traits on the football field.

His physical traits did translate--he's made some awesome catches. They just don't matter because he can't create separation, or beat the guys in front of him (something Patterson has yet to do, getting starts due to Simpson's benching).

Baldwin's per target numbers are much better than Patterson's, by the way.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

 

[Concept Coop]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

Hester and the large majority of combine warriors who never panned out. It would be hard to find a first round in the last 10 years that didn't have an example.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd love some counter-examples, however--poor route runners who turned it into a strength.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

Hester and the large majority of combine warriors who never panned out. It would be hard to find a first round in the last 10 years that didn't have an example.

IMO Patterson is more than just a combine warrior -- he's one of the most dangerous players in the NFL with the ball in his hands which is far more than most guys who just destroy the combine. I used Hester because he was similarly dangerous, and he's one of the few guys with that profile that was given a real shot to develop as a WR and was just unable to.

 

[Concept Coop]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

Hester and the large majority of combine warriors who never panned out. It would be hard to find a first round in the last 10 years that didn't have an example.

IMO Patterson is more than just a combine warrior -- he's one of the most dangerous players in the NFL with the ball in his hands which is far more than most guys who just destroy the combine. I used Hester because he was similarly dangerous, and he's one of the few guys with that profile that was given a real shot to develop as a WR and was just unable to.

No doubt. I didn't mean to use combine warriors--especially those who have busted--as likely production comps or outcomes for Patterson. Simply as evidence that "learning on the job" has it's limitations at this level.

I also don't mean to come off as predicting Patterson to fail, or not liking him as a prospect. I just think his warts are bigger than those willing to buy him at his current ADP (2nd round start-up pick) seem to. I think his value is in the 1.03-1.06 range, depending on format, so I do like the kid.

 

[jurb26]

I'd love some counter-examples, however--poor route runners who turned it into a strength.

Randy Moss was a poor, no inexperienced route runner like Patterson early in his career. He became one of the most technically sound WRs in the game despite what you might have been told about him.

 

[Khy]

I'd love some counter-examples, however--poor route runners who turned it into a strength.

I'll try to think of some, but I wanted to make note:

I don't think any of us are claiming that Patterson can learn to become a strong route runner. But with his overall talent at the point of attack and after the catch I think if he can even become a serviceable route runner, it would be enough to launch an amazing career.

 

[Concept Coop]

Randy Moss was a poor, no inexperienced route runner like Patterson early in his career. He became one of the most technically sound WRs in the game despite what you might have been told about him.

I agree with you that Randy's routes were underrated. He got a label that stuck to him, despite what he showed on the field. But I'm too young to have much of an opinion on Moss' routes coming out of school.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'll try to think of some, but I wanted to make note:

I don't think any of us are claiming that Patterson can learn to become a strong route runner. But with his overall talent at the point of attack and after the catch I think if he can even become a serviceable route runner, it would be enough to launch an amazing career.

I agree; he doesn't need to be Jerry Rice, or anything close to it, to be a difference maker. But he has to do enough to stay on the field and demand targets. If he's going to be used as an X, however, that's not a given, IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Randy Moss was a poor, no inexperienced route runner like Patterson early in his career. He became one of the most technically sound WRs in the game despite what you might have been told about him.

I agree with you that Randy's routes were underrated. He got a label that stuck to him, despite what he showed on the field. But I'm too young to have much of an opinion on Moss' routes coming out of school.

Moss in college was a lot like Patterson at JUCO. A bunch of quick screens, hitches and fly routes. Both were so much better than the competition it was comical and the coaches basically didn't even try to hide it.

 

[jurb26]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

I thought of Hester... Then I looked up his numbers. Hester is a poor example as well because he didn't even play a down of WR his rookie season. Then in his 2nd season he only had 20 reception, 299 yds and 2 TDs. So, Patterson has already beaten the numbers he took 2 years to produce by light years in just his rookie season. Hall is the same story, only worse. He didn't play a down of WR his rookie season, either. He also played hardly any his 2nd year amassing 0 receptions. His 3rd season wasn't much better amassing 20 receptions, 322 yds and 3 TDs. Again, Patterson is light years ahead based only on his rookie season.

Terrell Ownes seems like a much better comp based on his limited experience in college and rookie season. He didn't tear up ST like Patterson, or have the rushing numbers but from a learning curve and physical ability standpoint I think they were most similar of anyone mentioned yet. Hopefully Patterson doesn't have the metal issues to go along with him...

TO had 35, 520 and 4 his rookie year.

Muhsin Muhammad or Laveranues Coles might also apply.

 

[Concept Coop]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

I thought of Hester... Then I looked up his numbers. Hester is a poor example as well because he didn't even play a down of WR his rookie season. Then in his 2nd season he only had 20 reception, 299 yds and 2 TDs. So, Patterson has already beaten the numbers he took 2 years to produce by light years in just his rookie season.Hall is the same story, only worse. He didn't play a down of WR his rookie season, either. He also played hardly any his 2nd year amassing 0 receptions. His 3rd season wasn't much better amassing 20 receptions, 322 yds and 3 TDs. Again, Patterson is light years ahead based only on his rookie season.

Terrell Ownes seems like a much better comp based on his limited experience in college and rookie season. He didn't tear up ST like Patterson, or have the rushing numbers but from a learning curve and physical ability standpoint I think they were most similar of anyone mentioned yet. Hopefully Patterson doesn't have the metal issues to go along with him...

TO had 35, 520 and 4 his rookie year.

Muhsin Muhammad or Laveranues Coles might also apply.

I assume CDL was talking about players with special qualities but not enough technical ability to play WR.

And Patterson's rookie season shouldn't be used to establish him as "light years ahead" of anyone. His raw numbers were a result of volume, which was a result of a suspension.

And I don't think we can plug just anyone who wasn't an upper-level technician, but went on to dominate as a comp. It's not simply that Patterson isn't a great route-runner; it's that he's really, really bad.

If we're going to use rookie year production to include and exclude comps--we likely have the perfect comp, who happens to be in the very same draft class: Tavon Austin.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

Jacoby Ford was much smaller of course, but had a very similar rookie year. About 500 yards receiving, about 150 rushing with a couple of TDs, and loads of return yards with a couple TDs. Being elusive is fantastic, but it doesn't make you a primary receiver. You have to be able to consistently get open (or be so physical that you don't really need to be open to catch the ball).

I do think he COULD develop a bit and become a very good receiver, maybe a great one if he really gets it. But it's very far from a lock IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

I thought of Hester... Then I looked up his numbers. Hester is a poor example as well because he didn't even play a down of WR his rookie season. Then in his 2nd season he only had 20 reception, 299 yds and 2 TDs. So, Patterson has already beaten the numbers he took 2 years to produce by light years in just his rookie season.Hall is the same story, only worse. He didn't play a down of WR his rookie season, either. He also played hardly any his 2nd year amassing 0 receptions. His 3rd season wasn't much better amassing 20 receptions, 322 yds and 3 TDs. Again, Patterson is light years ahead based only on his rookie season.

Terrell Ownes seems like a much better comp based on his limited experience in college and rookie season. He didn't tear up ST like Patterson, or have the rushing numbers but from a learning curve and physical ability standpoint I think they were most similar of anyone mentioned yet. Hopefully Patterson doesn't have the metal issues to go along with him...

TO had 35, 520 and 4 his rookie year.

Muhsin Muhammad or Laveranues Coles might also apply.

I assume CDL was talking about players with special qualities but not enough technical ability to play WR.

And Patterson's rookie season shouldn't be used to establish him as "light years ahead" of anyone. His raw numbers were a result of volume, which was a result of a suspension.

And I don't think we can plug just anyone who wasn't an upper-level technician, but went on to dominate as a comp. It's not simply that Patterson isn't a great route-runner; it's that he's really, really bad.

If we're going to use rookie year production to include and exclude comps--we likely have the perfect comp, who happens to be in the very same draft class: Tavon Austin.

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant. I've covered the Austin piece before. Patterson earned more targets as the season roled on while Austin went backwards. It's not really the same thing. Still, it's a better comp than the guys like Hall, or Hester for sure.

Also, your using recency bias. TO was far from tech sound as a rookie. Neither were the other guys I listed.

 

[Concept Coop]

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant.

Patterson didn't earn his reps. Jerome Simpson lost his by being a #######. Patterson happened to be the #3 WR (in a group with Greg Jennings and Jerome Simpson).

 

[jurb26]

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant.

Patterson didn't earn his reps. Jerome Simpson lost his by being a #######.

That's not true. Minn reported they were getting Patterson more involved prior to that as the head into the bye week.

 

[Concept Coop]

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant.

Patterson didn't earn his reps. Jerome Simpson lost his by being a #######.

That's not true. Minn reported they were getting Patterson more involved prior to that as the head into the bye week.

It is true. Patterson started once Simpson was benched. Before that, Simpson was the starter.

If we're going to use this simple, blanket logic--Terrence Williams is a better player than Patterson; he "earned" more looks, and did MUCH more with them. By much more, I mean was wasn't awful.

 

[jurb26]

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant.

Patterson didn't earn his reps. Jerome Simpson lost his by being a #######.

That's not true. Minn reported they were getting Patterson more involved prior to that as the head into the bye week.

It is true. Patterson started once Simpson was benched. Before that, Simpson was the starter.

When was Simpson benched? When did I say Patterson was reported to get more involved?

 

[identikit]

Talent earns you opportunity. The fact that Patterson was able to earn his reps in Minn while the guys mentioned were not is absolutely relevant.

Patterson didn't earn his reps. Jerome Simpson lost his by being a #######.

That's not true. Minn reported they were getting Patterson more involved prior to that as the head into the bye week.

It is true. Patterson started once Simpson was benched. Before that, Simpson was the starter.

It is possible for both to be at least partially true.

 

[Concept Coop]

It is possible for both to be at least partially true.

Likely so. But to use it as an example of a player "earning" more touches seems like a reach to me.

 

[Concept Coop]

When was Simpson benched? When did I say Patterson was reported to get more involved?

If vague coach speak about a player being "more involved" is what we're projecting a player's future value with, and using as an example of a player "earning looks"--I'm in the wrong conversation.

 

[jurb26]

When was Simpson benched? When did I say Patterson was reported to get more involved?

If vague coach speak about a player being "more involved" is what we're projecting a player's future value with, and using as an example of a player "earning looks"--I'm in the wrong conversation.

Simpson played in every game in case you missed that part of it. He was limited in 2 games, but still played. If Patterson didn't play his way to the looks then why didn't Minn go back to the way it was prior to him out playing Simpson? Why aren't they going back to it now, heading into this season instead of talking about how they are again, getting Patterson more involved. They have him trying to learn every position on the offense, which I'm not a super fan of but that's another story. Patterson most definitely played his way to the expanded role. Simpson may have aided that with his stupidity. Once the crack in the door was there, like on the field, Patterson exploded thru it.

 

[Concept Coop]

Simpson played in every game in case you missed that part of it.

I missed my saying otherwise. I miss a lot of what I say, apparently.

I really do think we're past the point of being productive on the subject--and I'd hate to turn this thread into something unproductive, any more than I already have.

We've both made our opinions very clear and spent plenty of time and energy defending them. I'd say now the only thing left for us to do is wait and see.

 

[Gandalf]

Aren't we assuming that his rookie year actually happened? If that's the case, top 10.

This is exactly right, only I would say top 5. If no rookie season then probably late first round.

 

[Khy]

Devin Hester would be the downside example is use.

ETA: or Dante Hall.

I thought of Hester... Then I looked up his numbers. Hester is a poor example as well because he didn't even play a down of WR his rookie season. Then in his 2nd season he only had 20 reception, 299 yds and 2 TDs. So, Patterson has already beaten the numbers he took 2 years to produce by light years in just his rookie season.Hall is the same story, only worse. He didn't play a down of WR his rookie season, either. He also played hardly any his 2nd year amassing 0 receptions. His 3rd season wasn't much better amassing 20 receptions, 322 yds and 3 TDs. Again, Patterson is light years ahead based only on his rookie season.

Terrell Ownes seems like a much better comp based on his limited experience in college and rookie season. He didn't tear up ST like Patterson, or have the rushing numbers but from a learning curve and physical ability standpoint I think they were most similar of anyone mentioned yet. Hopefully Patterson doesn't have the metal issues to go along with him...

TO had 35, 520 and 4 his rookie year.

Muhsin Muhammad or Laveranues Coles might also apply.

Really interesting post considering that Patterson's WR coach is the same guy who coached Owens from raw ability to stardom.

George Stewart was the 49ers WR coach from 1996-2002 during which time Owens went from a raw talent to the league leader in TDs and top 5 in yardage for Stewart's last two seasons with the 49ers.

George Stewart was also the Falcons WR coach from 2003 - 2007. Roddy White also happened to be a part of Stewart's tutelage from 2005 (rookie year) to 2007 (breakout season).

Then in 2008 he went to the Vikings and in 2009 they drafted Percy Harvin. Whom may have still never reached his full potential due to injuries and migraines. But you see the pattern.

Now he has Cordarrelle Patterson. Another WR who had an extremely solid rookie season. Another WR who had incredibly physical talents but needed some polishing in the finer aspects of the game. Will he go the same way as Owens, White and Harvin before him? Maybe, maybe not. But there's a definite track record there for Stewart to make it a really good sign for Patterson. It's just another reason I'm buying on him long term. The one thing these guys have in common (well White and Owens) is that they posted I guess you'd say WR3 numbers until their third seasons. Then exploded. So if you're looking to buy, might be ballsy but you could possibly get him cheaper next offseason if he posts another like WR3-4 season this year.

 

[Eminence]

Tough question, he's clearly not a polished receiver but certainly a freak talent.

I could see arguments for him going before Cooks. It depends what the needs of the team who took him were.

 

[KellysHeroes]

now what if they can Keenan Allen was available

What?

I believe he's asking if Keenan Allen was also going back in the 2014 draft after playing his rookie season, where would Allen go.

Ahh okay, sounds close to accurate.

To respond to that then:

Think if they were both thrown into the 2014 draft after their rookie season the WRs this year would've looked somthing like

Cordarrelle Patterson

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

Mike Evans

Allen had an amazing rookie season, yes. And I also like Allen a lot and own him in a few spots. That said, I think his upside is capped to a certain extent. His ceiling certainly isn't Patterson's, at least not in my mind. Allen is much more refined and was much more refined coming out of school. Patterson was an obvious project and it's likely Allen out-performs Patterson again next season. But in 2015, I'd say Patterson's full talent really starts to overtake that battle.

seems about right, I was able to snag Allen for a couple of rookie picks and was wondering where others rank him compared to the top 4 WRs in this yrs draft. I got 3 of ur 4 on my rebuild

 

[VikingFrog]

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/5/28/5758382/minnesota-vikings-cordarrelle-patterson-visits-first-grader

The guy seems to have strong character. Which can go a long way for longevity and playing time in this day and age in the league.

 

[Donnybrook]

Strange thread. Why single out Patterson?

How about Tavon Austin in this draft class? He might be drafted behind Cooks in this year class. Like Patterson, Austin also is very valuable on kick returns?

DeAndre Hopkins in this class? Does his lack of elite measurables drop him down in this class?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Strange thread. Why single out Patterson?

How about Tavon Austin in this draft class? He might be drafted behind Cooks in this year class. Like Patterson, Austin also is very valuable on kick returns?

DeAndre Hopkins in this class? Does his lack of elite measurables drop him down in this class?

It's a spinoff from another discussion where people were debating whether Patterson should rank ahead or behind of Sammy Watkins in dynasty, and which of the two was the "safer" or "more proven" option. I thought that imagining where Patterson would go relative to Watkins if teams could have their pick of either would make for an interesting thought experiment that gave both sides of the debate space to make their case.

 

[beef]

is patterson even in the league anymore?

 

[Milkman]

He doesn't feel like he needs to work on his craft so it probably won't be long before he is out of the league. GJGE patterson

 

[duaneok66]

is patterson even in the league anymore?

Who?