IF David Ortiz gets accussed of Steroid use (1 Viewer)

[BlueOnion]

Anti-Red Sox schtick is getting old

This is just too much, coming from you.

not the first post but I assume you missed that one

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Righetti. It's just that you are the unofficial king of Yankee-bashing just for the sake of Yankee-bashing around here.

What about me? Actually, I don’t consider myself a Yankee-basher but I think I get labeled one here. I have no control over what my perception is, but I am interested in hearing what it is in regards to Yankee bashing.

 

[Michael Brown]

Anti-Red Sox schtick is getting old

This is just too much, coming from you.

not the first post but I assume you missed that one

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Righetti. It's just that you are the unofficial king of Yankee-bashing just for the sake of Yankee-bashing around here.

What about me? Actually, I don’t consider myself a Yankee-basher but I think I get labeled one here. I have no control over what my perception is, but I am interested in hearing what it is in regards to Yankee bashing.

You are the unofficial king of Yankee bashing with a valid reason.

 

[Righetti]

Just to add his hit/HR ratio over that same span:2000 11.7 (MIN)2001 3.9 (MIN)2002 5.6 (MIN)2003 4.2 (BOS)2004 4.3 (BOS)2005 3.8 (BOS)2006 3.1 (BOS)His average has gotten better, his dingers have gone up:newsflash: Fenway is a hitter's park

maybe there were other factors

 

[PatsWillWin]

' date='Aug 1 2006, 11:09 AM' post='5251888']

Something nobody has mentioned in the transition from MIN to Boston:

HE'S HITTING IN FRONT OF FREAKING MANNY RAMIREZ

Anyone think this MIGHT be a factor?

Also - the argument about where the Sox pitching is ERA-wise and whatnot is pretty irrelevant in itself since we're talking about the HR's at Fenway Park - you need to look at some splits. Josh Beckett, for example pitches much better at Fenway than on the road - that's not just Fenway being Fenway.

Exactly... just more fuel for the fire there. Remove Ramirez and he's approaching bond's walk-rate.Though, I WILL say he was not the 'feared hitter" in MINNY that he is in Boston so it's not like pitchers really worked around him TOO much, but it could have been a factor.

I just don't see evidence for steroids.He came to Boston at age 27 - right when he should be hitting his peak. He came into a great situation, a great park for him, and batting in front of one of the best right handed hitters in the game. That does plenty to explain the increase of production for him, in my mind.

Don't remember writing this.

 

[Michael Brown]

' date='Aug 1 2006, 11:09 AM' post='5251888']

Something nobody has mentioned in the transition from MIN to Boston:

HE'S HITTING IN FRONT OF FREAKING MANNY RAMIREZ

Anyone think this MIGHT be a factor?

Also - the argument about where the Sox pitching is ERA-wise and whatnot is pretty irrelevant in itself since we're talking about the HR's at Fenway Park - you need to look at some splits. Josh Beckett, for example pitches much better at Fenway than on the road - that's not just Fenway being Fenway.

Exactly... just more fuel for the fire there. Remove Ramirez and he's approaching bond's walk-rate.Though, I WILL say he was not the 'feared hitter" in MINNY that he is in Boston so it's not like pitchers really worked around him TOO much, but it could have been a factor.

I just don't see evidence for steroids.He came to Boston at age 27 - right when he should be hitting his peak. He came into a great situation, a great park for him, and batting in front of one of the best right handed hitters in the game. That does plenty to explain the increase of production for him, in my mind.

Don't remember writing this.

Hey don't feel bad dude -- I'm a Yankee fan with obviously ample reason to hate him, and even I thought this!

 

[Reaper]

I really hope he doesn't. Or if he does, I hope it's after a ton of other dudes have gotten busted for roids and I've gotten over it. It'd definitely take some of the shine of the apple for me.

 

[bostonfred]

I really hope he doesn't. Or if he does, I hope it's after a ton of other dudes have gotten busted for roids and I've gotten over it. It'd definitely take some of the shine of the apple for me.

Why are you bumping and bolding my post? I think that was a pretty reasonable thing to say three years ago, and I stand by it. It sucks knowing that he was using. As a Yankees fan you know it sucked finding out that guys like A-Rod, Giambi and Clemens were cheating, too. If Ortiz had a shot at the HoF before, it's gone now. Same with A-Rod, Manny, Bonds, Clemens, and so many more of the players of our generation.

 

[Reaper]

I really hope he doesn't. Or if he does, I hope it's after a ton of other dudes have gotten busted for roids and I've gotten over it. It'd definitely take some of the shine of the apple for me.

Why are you bumping and bolding my post? I think that was a pretty reasonable thing to say three years ago, and I stand by it. It sucks knowing that he was using. As a Yankees fan you know it sucked finding out that guys like A-Rod, Giambi and Clemens were cheating, too. If Ortiz had a shot at the HoF before, it's gone now. Same with A-Rod, Manny, Bonds, Clemens, and so many more of the players of our generation.

The thread was bumped and from your past discussions on steroids and postings I kinda looked to you as one of the most outspoken anti-steroid authorities, at least one of the top posters here, in the past.

I always accepted that MLB was littered with steroids and have said so since day 1 with Bonds so, when Yankees were named, no it wasn't much of a shock... The thing that sucked was listening to other fans act as if was "only" Bonds or "Mostly" Yankees....

I also found the "have gotten over it" part above interesting... It seems to be the consensus, I think it's weak.

 

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[Raider Nation]

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