If every scoring play is reviewed (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

People saying this is Schwartz fault have got an ax to grind. The guy is a hot head no doubt but the rule is a terrible rule. No matter if you somehow had that rule tucked away in the back of your skull as useless knowledge, I guarantee you it wouldn't have made it in time to the front of your brain after seeing a runner that was down on the ground get up and run for a TD. Even the most level headed of coaches would have thrown the flag in disgust.

Schwartz has done some dumb things but this isn't one of them.

 

[Slapdash]

The only thing dumber than this rule are the people in this thread supporting it...

 

[TakiToki]

People saying this is Schwartz fault have got an ax to grind. The guy is a hot head no doubt but the rule is a terrible rule. No matter if you somehow had that rule tucked away in the back of your skull as useless knowledge, I guarantee you it wouldn't have made it in time to the front of your brain after seeing a runner that was down on the ground get up and run for a TD. Even the most level headed of coaches would have thrown the flag in disgust. Schwartz has done some dumb things but this isn't one of them.

You don't think that most intelligent people could keep their flags in their pants on scores and turnovers if it's explicitly stated to not throw the flag on scores and turnovers? The guy's a complete moron, and I wish there were more rules like this that would promote having non-morons on the sidelines. Maybe then we'd see less clock-butchering and fewer 4th-and-short punts.

 

[packseasontix]

The only thing dumber than this rule are the people in this thread supporting it...

Yup because we understand the rule and that it has happened 3 times this year now we are dumb... No one is saying the rule couldn't be tweaked, most that i have seen are about the fact of what the rule is right now and WHY the rule was made in the first place.Explaining why the rule is there and saying the rule needs to remain unchanged are completely different.

 

[Short Corner]

The only thing dumber than this rule are the people in this thread supporting it...

And the only thing dumber than that are the people trying to defend the moron coaches who still find a way to let the rule hurt them. The teams that hire idiots like Schwartz, Reid, Rivera deserve them.

 

[egg413]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

 

[Sea Duck]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

The rule only applies to teams that could benefit from an overturned call. So, Schwartz and Kubiak could have each thrown the flag at the exact same time, but only Schwartz would have been penalized. That's part of what's dumb about the rule.

 

[Bri]

I understand the reason for putting a rule in place there...prevent the coach from using the challenge flag as a way to "show up" or "insult" the officials. Basically stopping them from using it out of anger to rub in their face and say "F You" "Bad call".A rule there makes sense.The penalty for violating the rule doesn't make sense tho...turning around and saying, "now we are not going to review it and if we did get it wrong, oh well, to bad for you and the team and the fans"Why isn't a 15 yard penalty and/or fine enough? Or even a loss of challenge and a timeout?NFL really got this one bass ackwards

I don't like that rule, it's about timing. TDs can take a while to run, a coach doesn't necessarily know it'll be a touchdown when he throws the flag. I watched that play a million times, he does do something weird with his legs like a little kid pretending the ground is hot or playing twister or...can't think of right analogy but it's odd and familiar. I've watched plenty games at all levels where if everyone stops the play is dead. Oh it may be play to the whistle and all, but we all have to have seen plays stopped because everyone did. Last issue I posted this and again I still want it...when instant replay was back for one more try(many didn't like it at first, it was assumed gone in offseason, never left) the NFL put a top ref, about to retire, by a phone for the entire season watching plays. He could be reached (like a batphone) by the onfield officials to discuss reviews. He almost never got called and they did away with it. I want that guy back! I totally understand officials point of views are better than ours and have seen things live that don't necessarily seem the same on TV. The whole premise of NOT being at the game is understood with this ref and ...I so want that position back.A retiring ref, during GB game or this one, could afford to risk being canned for changing a play incorrectly putting his integrity on the line. 30 years or so of good judgement, people would think twice and respect him. On field officials could say he made call it's out of our hands. Again this was in place many years ago, I just wish it'd come back. Fisher and competition committee gotta get on that this offseason.

 

[packseasontix]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

The rule only applies to teams that could benefit from an overturned call. So, Schwartz and Kubiak could have each thrown the flag at the exact same time, but only Schwartz would have been penalized. That's part of what's dumb about the rule.

They both would be penalized... After the penalty the booth can no longer review in your favor.

 

[packseasontix]

I've watched plenty games at all levels where if everyone stops the play is dead. Oh it may be play to the whistle and all, but we all have to have seen plays stopped because everyone did.

I have never seen a play stopped because everyone but the ball carrier stopped. That makes no sense and I would want to kill that official if he stopped a play just because...Now if the ball carrier stopped that is a different story as he is "kneeling down" essentially

 

[Bri]

I've watched plenty games at all levels where if everyone stops the play is dead. Oh it may be play to the whistle and all, but we all have to have seen plays stopped because everyone did.

I have never seen a play stopped because everyone but the ball carrier stopped. That makes no sense and I would want to kill that official if he stopped a play just because...Now if the ball carrier stopped that is a different story as he is "kneeling down" essentially

I didn't say specifically a ball carrier stopping, just that everyone stops so it's stopped.I can probably argue (ya know as if I know what you've seen) and say you've seen a defender dive on a ball, not be touched, yet the play stopped as dead when he could have got up and ran.

 

[Sea Duck]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

The rule only applies to teams that could benefit from an overturned call. So, Schwartz and Kubiak could have each thrown the flag at the exact same time, but only Schwartz would have been penalized. That's part of what's dumb about the rule.

They both would be penalized... After the penalty the booth can no longer review in your favor.

Each coach would be flagged for Unsportsmanlike Conduct, but only Schwartz would get the additional penalty of having the review canceled.

 

[Sea Duck]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

After thinking it over a bit, I did find a way that this rule could be exploited. Consider this scenario:- Houston trails by 1 point with 2 minutes to play. Neither team has any timeouts left.- Houston fumbles the ball at their own 10-yard line- a Detroit player picks up the fumble and scores a touchdown. However, it looks like the Detroit player stepped out of bounds before scoring.The TD is probably going to be overturned after a review. But that's actually bad news for Houston, because Detroit could just run out the clock and win the game.Therefore, doesn't it make sense for Gary Kubiak to throw the red flag to stop the review? That way, his team will get the ball back with a chance to win the game.Yet another reason why it's a dumb rule.

 

[GregR]

This rule can be exploited by the offense too? If you score and know it is a bogus score (ie forsett). Just throw the flag, sure you'll be penalized but the play is non reviewable! Totally worth it and in my opinion a complete loophole.

The rule only applies to teams that could benefit from an overturned call. So, Schwartz and Kubiak could have each thrown the flag at the exact same time, but only Schwartz would have been penalized. That's part of what's dumb about the rule.

They both would be penalized... After the penalty the booth can no longer review in your favor.

Each coach would be flagged for Unsportsmanlike Conduct, but only Schwartz would get the additional penalty of having the review canceled.

Your wording is misleading. As a result of the Unsportsmanlike penalty, both teams get the exact same penalty of not being able to have a review done in their favor. That the penalty made Schwarz suffer but wouldn't make the Texans suffer is only because there isn't anything about that particular play that reviewing would favor the Texans. But they still can't have a review done for them either (if they throw the flag).Let's give an altered play for instance to show the difference. Forsett is again down but not whistled. He gets up and runs, but this time the defender tackles him right near the goal line. The refs spot the ball at the half foot line. But TV replays show that Forsett actually get the ball in the end zone and the refs should have ruled touchdown if they let the play progress that far.If only the Lions throw the flag, the booth cannot initiate a review to see if Forsett is down by contact (that would favor the Lions). But they could initiate a review that Forsett got into the end zone (which would favor the Texans), and turn the play into a touchdown.But if as you say, both coaches throw the flag, then the booth cannot review if Forsett was down. Nor can they review that Forsett made it into the end zone since that would favor the Texans if overturned. So both teams receive the same exact penalty. Just the play that actually happened Thursday made the penalty have more teeth for the Lions than the Texans (had the Texans thrown the flag too).In any event, throwing the flag when not allowed has no benefit as the rules work currently. Nor should it even when they revise them to take this situation (scoring and turnover plays) into account.

 

[SonnyD]

I could be wrong, but didn't DeAngelo Williams score a TD in week 9 from 30 yards out AFTER a whistle had blown on the field calling him out of bounds on the sideline? I remember watching the replay and everyone on the field stopped except for DeAngelo because of the whistle. I vaguely remember watching the replay and hearing the whistle but even after review, the TD stood. He didn't step out of bounds but I thought the whistle made the play dead?

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Sea Duck]

I could be wrong, but didn't DeAngelo Williams score a TD in week 9 from 30 yards out AFTER a whistle had blown on the field calling him out of bounds on the sideline? I remember watching the replay and everyone on the field stopped except for DeAngelo because of the whistle. I vaguely remember watching the replay and hearing the whistle but even after review, the TD stood. He didn't step out of bounds but I thought the whistle made the play dead?Can anyone confirm this?

There had been an inadvertent whistle. Williams never actually went out-of-bounds.The referees should have brought the ball back to the point of the inadvertent whistle, but they decided to let the play stand as a touchdown. It had nothing to do with the review system -- it was purely referee error.(And the review booth is not permitted to overturn an inadvertent whistle, so the booth had no choice but to let the TD count.)

 

[SonnyD]

I could be wrong, but didn't DeAngelo Williams score a TD in week 9 from 30 yards out AFTER a whistle had blown on the field calling him out of bounds on the sideline? I remember watching the replay and everyone on the field stopped except for DeAngelo because of the whistle. I vaguely remember watching the replay and hearing the whistle but even after review, the TD stood. He didn't step out of bounds but I thought the whistle made the play dead?Can anyone confirm this?

There had been an inadvertent whistle. Williams never actually went out-of-bounds.The referees should have brought the ball back to the point of the inadvertent whistle, but they decided to let the play stand as a touchdown. It had nothing to do with the review system -- it was purely referee error.(And the review booth is not permitted to overturn an inadvertent whistle, so the booth had no choice but to let the TD count.)

Yes, that's what I was questioning. Not the review system rather the incompetence of the referees. They can't even follow the rules because the inadvertent whistle should have brought the ball back.