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If or When Peyton Manning is released... (1 Viewer)
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Tony Reali
Footballguy
He would be a UFAHopefully the Niners pick him up
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I have a feeling we're talking retirement here.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
His contract would cease to exist and there would be a debate between who the top free agent QB will be this year, Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Oooof.'GreenNGold said:
twistd
Footballguy
If he gets released, and he is healthy enough to play, Arizona makes some sense to me. Another place to consider might be Denver. SF could well be in the mix. Miami could be a consideration. I think Manning would have his choice of destinations, so my guess is the top choices would be SF and AZ.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
So the Colts would have no problem paying Manning's $28 million roster bonus on 3/1?
twistd
Footballguy
I don't know if they will know if he is healthy at that point. I heard, before the game, that the Colts and Manning have had no talks to extend the deadline for the roster bonus. $28 million is a lot to risk if you don't know if he can play.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
This...and I'd be surprised if he signed with MOST teams that might want him. Peyton spent his later years behind a very solid O-line and wasn't hit often. I don't think, given his neck, that he'd want to go to a team without a good O-Line to play for a few years. Conversely, there aren't many teams with good O-Lines that need him...hence I think he retires.
Pots
Footballguy
Really? I'll take that bet.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Is this still true if they take Luck? I heard it was with the front office, but then they got fired.I like Tony R's earlier suggestion
I'm a Colts fan and I'd also like to see him end up with the 49ers. Here's the way I see it. The talent surrounding Manning only managed two wins this season. Even if Manning comes back, you're looking at 10 or 11 season at best. The team could easily be worse then that. I think it's unlikely that Luck would be willing to sit 3 or 4 years behind Manning nor should he. Even if you trade the #1 pick to surround Manning with better talent, that talent will take 2 to 3 years to develop (aside from maybe Trent Richardson). By that time, Manning may well be on the decline. In sum, the Colts have almost no chance to win another Super Bowl while Manning is around. I think it's in the best interest of the Colts organization and Peyton Manning to part ways. I think the 49ers would be a great landing spot for Manning because he might be able to win another ring there which is something I'd love to see Manning get. He's just not going to get another ring in Indy.'footballnerd said:Is this still true if they take Luck? I heard it was with the front office, but then they got fired.I like Tony R's earlier suggestion
identikit
Footballguy
Leaning this way myself.
G
General Tso
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Peyton is smart. He won't want to deal with the Montana / Young legacies. If he's not a Colt he's a Jet.
I don't think his decision will be based on Montana/Young. I hear what you're saying but Manning is in his mid-thirties, it's not like he'd be going in there for a decade - he's already proved he's one of the greatest of all time.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
This is the key right here. That is only seven weeks away. The Colts just can`t afford to pass up Luck, and they probably can`t afford to pay out 28 million for a question mark.
I just do not see Manning playing the friendly oldtimer/mentor role for Luck.
CalBear
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This year's results should be proof that the Indianapolis O-line is not solid. Manning doesn't get hit because he audibles well, has an insanely quick release, and great pocket presence; the Colts line hasn't been good in a couple years at least.If I were the Colts, and if Manning looks healthy by March 1, I'd plan to trade the pick for Minnesota's 2012 and 2013 #1 and #2 (which you probably could get), take Griffin instead of Luck and have three more high picks to make one more Super Bowl run with Manning, still with a potential groomable franchise QB in the wings.'Fat Nick said:
RG3 is probably not lasting until three unless the Rams rate somebody in the draft significantly higher then anybody else in the draft. The Redskins, Dolphins, and Browns could all be looking to to trade up. In short, that's a terrible idea especially since those picks will take time to develop. Also, the Colts line did okay this year especially considering all the injuries they had on it. There running game was the best it has been since the year they won the Super Bowl which mind you isn't saying much.
Big_Russel
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lol yeah.. An aging gimpy necked QB going to play for a historically laughable outdoor team in the North East, with a blow hard coach. Makes sense.
identikit
Footballguy
FWIW:
@BramWeinstein, ESPN anchor:
One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it
ETA:
@BramWeinstein:
Nothing happens with Peyton until March when deadline for 28 mil comes. Assuming he is free, the discussion I had was Skins go hard
@BramWeinstein:
A lot has to happen including Peyton release. This is no done deal by any stretch, just interesting how much momentum this has.
@BramWeinstein, ESPN anchor:
One of the people who's opinion at ESPN I trust the most says Peyton + Saturday to Redskins is VERY likely.. So, I have to warm up to it
ETA:
@BramWeinstein:
Nothing happens with Peyton until March when deadline for 28 mil comes. Assuming he is free, the discussion I had was Skins go hard
@BramWeinstein:
A lot has to happen including Peyton release. This is no done deal by any stretch, just interesting how much momentum this has.
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Hoss_Cartwright
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The Rams are not going to take a QB. It's either Blackmon or OL.
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Warrior
Footballguy
you're joking, right?That myth was put to rest this season.
msommer
Footballguy
With Fisher it'll be OL or DE. Do the Rams need DE? QB can be had later if at all needed
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
The Rams need to get Bradford some freaking weapons. Draft Blackmon and be done with it.
msommer
Footballguy
Salas, Lloyd and Kendricks
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
They need a stud WR and Blackmon fits the bill.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Lloyd is a free agent and the odds are good he ends up on New England.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Do you have a link/source to the Lloyd to New England news? Or is this just based off Lloyd saying he likes playing for McDaniels?
Abspara
Footballguy
David Yudkin
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Rams' Lloyd will follow McDaniels BY JIM THOMAS • jthomas@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8197 STLtoday.com | Posted: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:45 am | (28) Comments
Brandon Lloyd has experienced only two victories in 10 games with the Rams. And after leading the NFL in reception yards (1,448) in 2010 as a Denver Bronco, he might not reach 1,000 this season.
Nonetheless, Lloyd has been happy as a Ram and says he wants to return to St. Louis next season and beyond.
"I would like to stay here," he told the Post-Dispatch. "I've been well-received by the players, by the coaches, by the community. It's been overwhelming; an overwhelmingly warm reception. Coming back to Missouri and St. Louis. I would love to grow with Sam Bradford; that would be awesome. I've never had a true elite-level quarterback in my career."
But there's a catch for Lloyd, the Kansas City area native who's scheduled for unrestricted free agency after this season. If offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels leaves St. Louis, Lloyd would attempt to follow.
"I can't even lie about that," Lloyd said. "I'm tied to McDaniels. He uses me differently than other offensive coordinators used me in my entire career. He uses me as an every-play receiver. The short game, mid-range game, gimmick passes, deep balls.
"I do everything in this offense as opposed to other coordinators who would just run me off as the deep guy; run me off into double coverage and then say I'm not open. So I really like how Josh uses me within the offense. I'm extremely comfortable in the offense. So that is definitely going to be a. ...
At this point Lloyd paused and didn't finish the thought.
A consideration? A factor?
"Probably No. 1 (as a factor)," Lloyd replied. "Because I want to be successful, and I want to earn whatever money I'm making. I want to be used in ways where I feel comfortable and I can be successful. And Josh knows how to do that."
When informed of those comments by Lloyd, McDaniels replied: "I appreciate that, and he knows I feel that way about him, too. I would love to have an opportunity to continue working with him. I think you grow fond of certain players; you grow fond of all of them. But some of 'em you may get closer with than others, and that's definitely true with him.
"Any time you have a chance to work with good people, that play hard, and give you a chance to win, that's the best for everybody."
Obviously, at this point it's difficult to say whether McDaniels will be back with the Rams in 2012. For one, head coach Steve Spagnuolo could get fired — and a new head coach might want a different coordinator.
And even in a season in which the Rams have struggled mightily to score, his name has been mentioned as a head-coaching possibility in Kansas City.
Lloyd leads the Rams in receptions (45), reception yards (583), and touchdown catches (four) despite the extra attention he gets from opposing defenses. Counting his time with the Broncos this season, Lloyd has 64 catches for 866 yards.
"He's been a tremendous addition for us with what he's done this year," Spagnuolo said. "He's been through three quarterbacks — so to get the timing, it's been hard for him. He's a competitor and a prideful guy, and we love that about him, so I'm sure it hasn't been easy. And yet you don't see it in him when you look out there watching practice."
Lloyd was traded to the Rams on Oct. 17, or the day after Bradford suffered his initial high ankle sprain.
After parachuting into a new club in the middle of a season, Lloyd had A.J. Feeley throwing to him for two games, followed by four games with Bradford, then Feeley again for a game, then Bradford for a game, and then Kellen Clemens for the last two. In the midst of all that quarterback chaos were a few practices in which Tom Brandstater did all or much of the throwing with the starters.
That revolving door explains why some of the passes might have been underthrown, overthrown or just didn't get there to Lloyd, who is a long-strider with deceptive speed.
"It's tough for (the quarterbacks) because they just don't know my speed," Lloyd said. "It's a timing thing. One day, I'll come whipping around on one of those routes and they'll drop it right on me. And that's happened a couple times with Kellen already. So that's how I prepare running the routes. I don't expect 'em to fail. I guess it's a positive outlook."
In fact, Lloyd says the Rams' quarterback situation has been nothing compared to what he faced at some of his other stops in the NFL.
"This has actually been really easy compared to San Francisco, where I had guys starting in games like Cody Pickett, Ken Dorsey, Tim Rattay, Alex Smith — all in one year," Lloyd said. "So this hasn't been that bad."
The 49ers season Lloyd was referring to was 2005, Smith's rookie year.
"What makes those situations bad is when you have young quarterbacks in there, and that's what my experience was like in San Francisco," Lloyd said.
Lloyd has had backups with experience throwing to him with the Rams in Feeley and Clemens.
"Kellen has game experience and he's mature," Lloyd said. "He knows how to study. He knows the Xs and Os. I went up to him last week and I was like, 'I don't know how you're doing this.' Even the first game, I'm like, 'How are you even picking this up?' He said, 'I know the concepts.'
"I trust him, you know? So that's what's made it a lot easier. This has been a good experience for me. I'm just happy that I'm able to run routes and catch passes as a wide receiver. Honestly. This has been a good season for me, compared to what it could've been."
That was a reference to his most recent club — Denver. The Broncos don't throw many passes with Tim Tebow at quarterback.
"Regardless of the record, I want to play football as a wide receiver," Lloyd said. "That's been my dream since I was 6 years old. Catch passes, run routes, score touchdowns. Do the whole thing, and show my skill and my expertise at the position.
"So it's been really great. Even working with a banged-up Sam Bradford, he's been better than a lot of quarterbacks I've worked with in my past."
Given time in the pocket, Lloyd says there's not a pass Bradford can't complete. He got a first-hand view of that in the Rams' Nov. 6 game in Arizona, Lloyd's first Rams game with Bradford at quarterback.
"I remember a 25-yard go, and then I stop at 25 yards," Lloyd said. "Sam's on the opposite hash, and zings it like on a rope. That was a sight. I saw that on film and I'm like, 'Wow. That's elite. That's not normal.' "
Will Lloyd be back to catch more passes like that with Bradford? Let's see if McDaniels is back.
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The Pats most likely won't have Ochocinco or Branch back, so they will have a definite need at WR. They obviously arenot going to do or say anything about it now, but I definitely think there is a very good chance he ends up in NE.
Funny? Ain't it. Honestly, I think Indy needs to keep manning. Odds are luck will be good. Not manning. IMO. They can get a lot for that pick and build around Manning and wait for another QB. Or grab another FA if needed.
Bruce Leroy
Footballguy
Not to mention having to fight his brother for New York. Peyton will never be a JetHow about the Oakland Raiders? Ever think of that?lol yeah.. An aging gimpy necked QB going to play for a historically laughable outdoor team in the North East, with a blow hard coach. Makes sense.
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I must have not made myself clear enough in my post. The Rams will most likely trade the pick to the Redskins, Dolphins, or Browns unless they rate Matt Kahil (or someone else) quite a bit higher then whoever they could get at 4, 6, or 8/9 (probably Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne, Reiff, or Martin). The new CBA makes trading for a top 3 pick much more attractive. I'm guessing they'll be able to get an extra 1st and 2nd out of the trade.I'd bet there is a at least a 75% chance RG3 goes #2 overall as long as he measures in at 6'1" or taller (listed as 6'2" but people are unsure if he is really that tall). Someone will most likely trade up to get him.'Hoss_Cartwright said:
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Dought Man
Footballguy
Yes, I'm sure thats what PM is thinking about.
Insein
Footballguy
This is the way I'm seeing it. Not for the legacy thing but just for the best landing spot. Jets coaches and management can talk all they want but they are not happy with Sanchez so far. I think they'd be willing to roll the dice on Peyton having 2 or 3 more years left in him and then working to get a resurgence out of the defense. If Manning is in NY, he'd run that offense over Sparano. They have weapons in Holmes, Plax and Keller. Greene would be the Addai role. That offensive line was the best in the league 2 seasons ago. It doesn't all fall apart that fast. Then Rex can do what he does best, coach defense. Jets would be a legitimate contender if Peyton can indeed still play.
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FUBAR
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I don't see this as a negative.Not to mention having to fight his brother for New York. Peyton will never be a JetHow about the Oakland Raiders? Ever think of that?lol yeah.. An aging gimpy necked QB going to play for a historically laughable outdoor team in the North East, with a blow hard coach. Makes sense.
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