If the Falcons miss out on Dorsey.... (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.

I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.

So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.

I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?

I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.

Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

 

[PatrickT]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

That's the biggest trouble with this draft, as a Falcon fan: No history to base a guess on. I still have trade on my mind, but the only partner I can think of is the Ravens jumping up to grab Dorsey. Then we hope we get Ellis at 8. Or maybe even turn around and trade 8 to get to the bottom of the draft and get Brohm. This isn't even a rumor, it's just mad ramblings in my head, cause I got nothing to go on.I like your point tho. If Dorsey was their guy, they don't see Ryan as THE guy and are happy with Redman while they groom brohm/henne/flacco. In that case, I would think VG has got to be a candidate there.

 

[massraider]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

That's the biggest trouble with this draft, as a Falcon fan: No history to base a guess on. I still have trade on my mind, but the only partner I can think of is the Ravens jumping up to grab Dorsey. Then we hope we get Ellis at 8. Or maybe even turn around and trade 8 to get to the bottom of the draft and get Brohm. This isn't even a rumor, it's just mad ramblings in my head, cause I got nothing to go on.I like your point tho. If Dorsey was their guy, they don't see Ryan as THE guy and are happy with Redman while they groom brohm/henne/flacco. In that case, I would think VG has got to be a candidate there.

I think there are possibilities for trades. Maybe the Chiefs trying to leapfrog the Raiders for Long/Gholston? I just have a problem with the idea of the Falcons braintrust missing out on Dorsey, then saying, "Oh well, guess we'll put the franchise in the hands of Matt Ryan...." I don't think teams draft QBs that high unless they want that guy more than anyone.

 

[PatrickT]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

That's the biggest trouble with this draft, as a Falcon fan: No history to base a guess on. I still have trade on my mind, but the only partner I can think of is the Ravens jumping up to grab Dorsey. Then we hope we get Ellis at 8. Or maybe even turn around and trade 8 to get to the bottom of the draft and get Brohm. This isn't even a rumor, it's just mad ramblings in my head, cause I got nothing to go on.I like your point tho. If Dorsey was their guy, they don't see Ryan as THE guy and are happy with Redman while they groom brohm/henne/flacco. In that case, I would think VG has got to be a candidate there.

I think there are possibilities for trades. Maybe the Chiefs trying to leapfrog the Raiders for Long/Gholston? I just have a problem with the idea of the Falcons braintrust missing out on Dorsey, then saying, "Oh well, guess we'll put the franchise in the hands of Matt Ryan...." I don't think teams draft QBs that high unless they want that guy more than anyone.

Yeah, I like your logic. If they really think he's worth that pick, they'll take him. You simply do not pass on a guy you think can be the franchise QB, no matter who he's up against.

 

[zamboni]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

That's the biggest trouble with this draft, as a Falcon fan: No history to base a guess on. I still have trade on my mind, but the only partner I can think of is the Ravens jumping up to grab Dorsey.

Or perhaps the Ravens jump up to grab Ryan, since supposedly they're high on him.

 

[siffoin]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

That's the biggest trouble with this draft, as a Falcon fan: No history to base a guess on. I still have trade on my mind, but the only partner I can think of is the Ravens jumping up to grab Dorsey. Then we hope we get Ellis at 8. Or maybe even turn around and trade 8 to get to the bottom of the draft and get Brohm. This isn't even a rumor, it's just mad ramblings in my head, cause I got nothing to go on.I like your point tho. If Dorsey was their guy, they don't see Ryan as THE guy and are happy with Redman while they groom brohm/henne/flacco. In that case, I would think VG has got to be a candidate there.

I think there are possibilities for trades. Maybe the Chiefs trying to leapfrog the Raiders for Long/Gholston? I just have a problem with the idea of the Falcons braintrust missing out on Dorsey, then saying, "Oh well, guess we'll put the franchise in the hands of Matt Ryan...." I don't think teams draft QBs that high unless they want that guy more than anyone.

Yeah, I like your logic. If they really think he's worth that pick, they'll take him. You simply do not pass on a guy you think can be the franchise QB, no matter who he's up against.

We'll obviously learn a lot about the "new" Falcons in the next 54 hours.This we know. The Falcons are in a complete rebuilding mode. Needs everywhere. I think Dorsey will be there and they draft him. But if he's gone they can go in a number of directions....#1: I think they look to trade from the spot. #2: They draft Ryan...they can then fill holes from the remaining picks without having to trade back into the #1 for a QB. There is good depth and value in rounds 2-3...and they'll have 5 picks there.#3: They draft a guy like Ellis. A slight reach at #3 but he's similar to Dorsey and perhaps less of an injury risk. I would not be upset with that pick...and then move on with the same plan as if they had drafted Dorsey.The Falcons are in a great position to let the draft unfold for them and that is what I hope they do. The worst mistake will be for the management to panic. I won't mind trading back into the later half of the first round to pick a QB, but in no way should they trade up with the Rams...that mistake would have long term negative consequences for the new management team.

 

[PatrickT]

Or perhaps the Ravens jump up to grab Ryan, since supposedly they're high on him.

That was a typo on my part, I meant Ryan.

 

[MAC_32]

Short answer: No. The old Falcons regime would, we'll find out if the new one follows suit or not. Long, Ellis, or trading down should be their move. Clady would be a nice darkhorse move. Not sure if it'd be a good one or not, but it would get a lot of chatter...almost certainly predominately of the negative variety.

 

[Ridgelake]

Coming from a Cowboy fan, how about this offer. We'll send you #22 and #61 in exchange for #34 and #37. You can get your choice of Henne or Brohm at 22 and still keep your same number of picks.

This trade would work for Dallas as the board value is much better at their positions of need in the 28 to 40 range.

Would you do this if you were the Falcons?

 

[Andy Herron]

I think Ryan has to be their guy, especially if Dorsey goes #2.

Somewhere in here there's a Falcons Offseason Thread where I explained pretty adamantly that the Falcons desperately need to change the face of their franchise and move on, projecting (well in advance, long before free agency even started) that they would sign free agent Michael Turner, release Warrick Dunn, and draft Matt Ryan with their first round pick.

I'm one away from the trifecta.

Regardless of the perceived value at #3, if you need a quarterback and the best of the lot is available, you take him. Any draft pick is a gamble. What you don't want to do is gamble away your opportunity when it falls in your lap.

 

[twitch]

Absolutely gotta go with Ryan if Dorsey isnt there. They need an answer at QB. At this point, that franchise just needs HOPE. Harrington, Redman and whatever QB theyd draft with their 2nd pick wouldnt give it to them.

 

[FavreCo]

I say no. Trade down, grab extra picks and then trade back up if necessary and get one of the other QB's. Ryan isn't that sure of a thing.

 

[massraider]

I'm not saying Ryan is or isn't the guy. I have no idea.

I am saying that I don't think this is the way teams operate. Target Dorsey all the way, miss on him, so take a QB, and completely change the direction of the team.

If they aren't sold enough on Ryan to take him over Dorsey, I have to believe they don't want him at #3, period.

 

[Roethlisburger]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

I would probably take Ryan if I were the Falcons. I think he'll be decent. He won't be Peyton or Brady, but he'll be good. The thing I would hate about it is that I see a lot of potential in Redman also.

 

[brock]

i say no. there is nothing i see in ryan that makes me believe he is guaranteed to be any better than harrington or redman or what they could get in the 2nd like henne or flacco.

 

[brock]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

I would probably take Ryan if I were the Falcons. I think he'll be decent. He won't be Peyton or Brady, but he'll be good. The thing I would hate about it is that I see a lot of potential in Redman also.

you can't use the #3 on qb that is just good. good qb's can be had in the 2nd and later in every draft.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.

I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.

So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.

I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?

I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.

Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

What if they trade the pick?http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_det...152&ref=STO

... Adam Schefter from NFL.com said in a radio broadcast that the Ravens like Ryan so much that they may be tempted to trade up for him.

 

[Roethlisburger]

If Dorsey is the guy they want, and they miss out on him, settling for a QB doesn't make sense to me. If they want Dorsey, it seems to me that they aren't sold on Ryan as a franchise QB.I mean, these teams have a plan going into the draft. If you believe that the Falcons want Dorsey, one has to assume they are comfortable with their current QB situation, or have plans to make a move later in the draft at QB.So if the guy they want isn't there, it seems to me that taking a QB at #3 changes the entire face of the franchise. Taking a QB there, they are saying that Ryan is the guy they wanted all along.I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?I think this isn't being thought out very well by the TV pundits, and wouldn't be surprised if this is the spot where we get our first curveball, Long, Ellis, whoever.Falcons fans, is Ryan really the consolation prize if Dorsey is gone?

I would probably take Ryan if I were the Falcons. I think he'll be decent. He won't be Peyton or Brady, but he'll be good. The thing I would hate about it is that I see a lot of potential in Redman also.

you can't use the #3 on qb that is just good. good qb's can be had in the 2nd and later in every draft.

QB is a more key position than DT. Football is won in the trenches, but you need a good QB and RB. Also when I say that I just mean I don't see Ryan having quite the career that Brady and Manning have had/will.

 

[FTRWRTR]

If they can't trade down I say take the BPA and IMO that's chris long

 

[BoltBacker]

I suppose it is possible they have Dorsey and Ryan ranked closely, but wouldn't you assume the franchise QB would trump the need at DT?

Maybe it's not so much a case of Dorsey>>>>Ryanas it is a case of Dorsey>>>> DT's available at the #3 pick in the second roundand Ryan >> QB's available at the #3 pick in the second round

 

[Roethlisburger]

Falcons did the right thing.

 

[Big Score]

Falcons did the right thing.

 

[cstu]

The Falcons probably felt this the smart move to quell the Vick drama that would have happened next year had they still needed a QB. They made the right decision to put a new face on the franchise.

 

[BoltBacker]

The Falcons probably felt this the smart move to quell the Vick drama that would have happened next year had they still needed a QB. They made the right decision to put a new face on the franchise.

Agreed. I normally think you're putting the cart before the horse by starting a rebuild with the QB but in this instance they need a new identity right now.

 

[nerangers]

I know Blank favored Ryan...and really wanted a new face of the franchise as part of the rebuilding process. He had really high praise for Ryan.

I still think the Falcons needed a player like Dorsey first. I know they had brought in Brohm as well. Considering how far Brohm fell, they still could have gotten him and Dorsey.

Dorsey + Brohm > Ryan + Baker

I am guessing that maybe Brohm didn't do as well with the Falcons as he thought he did.