If you are Jerry Jones (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

do they have 40 M a year in cap room?

Also would Dak really want to go from driving a Cadillac to a Yugo? Jags are an inept franchise who’ve botched almost every good thing they’ve ever built.

only way I could see a Cowboys discount is if came down to the two highest bidders being JAX & DAL. 

 

[BoltNlava]

I was thinking a Dark Horse comes up in the race for DAK : The Falcons? But they are embroiled in cap hell. Maybe they blow it all up but I would think not. I know they are thinking Matty Ice is melting and time is running out. I guess they are right up against the cap right now. 

 

[Gally]

Major injury might also piss him off that the Cowboys failed to get it done before this season, so that sword cuts both ways. 

Totally agree that it cuts both ways.  Again, it is the very reason I would try and start hammering something out now.  It gives the best opportunity for the sides to give in a little each way while saving a bit of face and coming up with something that helps everyone out.  Will it happen?  I doubt it but it is what I would try to do if I was Jerry.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Totally agree that it cuts both ways.  Again, it is the very reason I would try and start hammering something out now.  It gives the best opportunity for the sides to give in a little each way while saving a bit of face and coming up with something that helps everyone out.  Will it happen?  I doubt it but it is what I would try to do if I was Jerry.

Do you think Dak is coming to the table before he’s 100% & has evaluated his options? 

 

[Gally]

Do you think Dak is coming to the table before he’s 100% & has evaluated his options? 

I think he will listen to what is offered and use that as additional information coupled with what doctors are telling him and what risks he is under.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think he will listen to what is offered and use that as additional information coupled with what doctors are telling him and what risks he is under.

Color me skeptical. It’d be like trying to sell a used car before you had the critical repairs made. 

“I have this great Porche, it’s only worth $22k instead of $30k because the engine needs a rebuild. You can’t drive it, but I have an estimate from the repair shop.”

Yeah - no. 

You rebuild the engine,  then try to sell the car. I’m assuming Dak’s agent is smart enough to understand that if I am.

 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Dak signs a long term deal @39 mil/year and comes back stronger and faster than before. He no longer does his patented mush-stiff arm that pushes off defenders who grab on and dump their entire body weight onto Dak’s lower extremities. 

See you guys in 2021

 

[Gally]

Color me skeptical. It’d be like trying to sell a used car before you had the critical repairs made. 

“I have this great Porche, it’s only worth $22k instead of $30k because the engine needs a rebuild. You can’t drive it, but I have an estimate from the repair shop.”

Yeah - no. 

You rebuild the engine,  then try to sell the car. I’m assuming Dak’s agent is smart enough to understand that if I am.

So when the engine rebuild goes awry and the car can never get up to 100 mph again and tools around at 25 mph then what is it worth?  Maybe it would have been better to take the $22K now that it's only worth $15K after the engine rebuild.

I think we have beaten this to death.  You say wait until everything shakes out.  I say there is merit in seeing if something can be done now by both sides.  I doubt anything gets done but that isn't necessarily what should happen.  No harm in trying to figure out something now.  Maybe you can, maybe you can't but I think it's worth trying for both sides.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So when the engine rebuild goes awry and the car can never get up to 100 mph again and tools around at 25 mph then what is it worth?  Maybe it would have been better to take the $22K now that it's only worth $15K after the engine rebuild.

except they won’t know that. The timing is such that they’ll only know the rebuild was done, and the mechanic swears by his work. 

That’s it. The timeline is clear: you’ll only know Dak’s recovery went well in terms of additional surgeries, potential setbacks/infections/etc.

but FA hits before you can take him for a test drive. 

I think we have beaten this to death.  You say wait until everything shakes out.  I say there is merit in seeing if something can be done now by both sides.  I doubt anything gets done but that isn't necessarily what should happen.  No harm in trying to figure out something now.  Maybe you can, maybe you can't but I think it's worth trying for both sides.

The only merit in this favors the Cowboys. That’s why I will never accept your premise. Literally everything you’ve said about it being worth trying, or merit in seeing if something gets done - it all, 100% is the advantage for the Cowboys and clearly creates a disadvantage for Dak & their negotiating position. 

From the Cowboys side it’s absolutely worth exploring.

• Try to get Dak locked up before he hits the open market

• hope Dak reversed course and accepts an offer he outright scoffed at

• Get it done early because there’s risk, so you buy damaged goods on the cheap. “hey, we’re taking the risk” says the Cowboys side.

But not one of those things helps Dak. Literally every one of them puts Dak at a disadvantage.

And when it comes to perceived elite talent / youth at the QB position it’s simply not a buyer’s market. Dak is the rare commodity. He has no reason to negotiate before he’s healed up. He has no reason to sell low/early. He has every reason to hit FA & see what the offers from multiple teams look like. 

It would be completely illogical for Dak to try to sell himself below market value as damaged goods before FA hits. 

 

[Manster]

Dak signs a long term deal @39 mil/year and comes back stronger and faster than before. He no longer does his patented mush-stiff arm that pushes off defenders who grab on and dump their entire body weight onto Dak’s lower extremities. 

See you guys in 2021

Maybe he shoulda been paying more attention to how Russ Wilson does it

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe he shoulda been paying more attention to how Russ Wilson does it

Fewer designed runs and more running for his life when the play immediately breaks down? 

Probably a solid plan. 

 

[Gally]

except they won’t know that. The timing is such that they’ll only know the rebuild was done, and the mechanic swears by his work. 

That’s it. The timeline is clear: you’ll whether know Dak’s recovery went well in terms of additional surgeries, potential setbacks/infections/etc.

but FA hits before you can take him for a test drive. 

The only merit in this favors the Cowboys. That’s why I will never accept your premise. Literally everything you’ve said about it being worth trying, or merit in seeing if something gets done - it all, 100% is the advantage for the Cowboys and clearly creates a disadvantage for Dak & their negotiating position. 

From the Cowboys side it’s absolutely worth exploring.

• Try to get Dak locked up before he hits the open market

• hope Dak reversed course and accepts an offer he outright scoffed at

• Get it done early because there’s risk, so you buy damaged goods on the cheaper hey, we’re taking the risk says the Cowboys side.

But not one of those things helps Dak. Literally every one of them puts Dak at a disadvantage.

And when it comes to perceived elite talent / youth at the QB position it’s simply not a buyer’s market. Dak is the rare commodity. He has no reason to negotiate before he’s healed up. He has no reason to sell low/early. He has every reason to hit FA & see what the offers from multiple teams look like. 

It would be completely illogical for Dak to try to sell himself below market value as damaged goods before FA hits. 

The advantage to Dak is if his injury doesn't let him return to form ala Alex Smith.  There is some percentage chance that happens.  If he is willing to risk that happening so he can hit the open market then go for it.  That is what he needs to decide.  However, that risk is not zero to Dak.  You are assuming he comes back to 100%...….that is not a guarantee and if Dak is worried about that for any reason it is an advantage to lock in guaranteed money now.

 

[Manster]

Fewer designed runs and more running for his life when the play immediately breaks down? 

Probably a solid plan. 

Yea......let Zeke run

I'm not blaming Dak on his injury, per se, but he is a big dude, who takes a pounding......he could slide more

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The advantage to Dak is if his injury doesn't let him return to form ala Alex Smith.  There is some percentage chance that happens.  If he is willing to risk that happening so he can hit the open market then go for it.  That is what he needs to decide.  However, that risk is not zero to Dak.  You are assuming he comes back to 100%...….that is not a guarantee and if Dak is worried about that for any reason it is an advantage to lock in guaranteed money now.

True - but considering he bet on himself by playing without a contract, I’m full expecting him to bet on himself recovering if that means being the beneficiary of a FA bidding war. 

speculation, but then this whole topic is speculative, so...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yea......let Zeke run

I'm not blaming Dak on his injury, per se, but he is a big dude, who takes a pounding......he could slide more

Yeah - in the moment I thought, “that’s what happens when you game plan away from giving a top 5 NFL RB more touches in favor of letting your lanky QB run QB draws.”

Like you, not blaming Dak for his injury, but the Cowboys play-calling there seems questionable, along with Dak not sliding down when he felt the defender approaching.

Maybe I’m oversimplifying but there’s little risk of Dak breaking his ankle if he’d handed the ball off to Zeke. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Maybe he shoulda been paying more attention to how Russ Wilson does it

Everybody should do it the way Russell Wilson does it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dallas will franchise him again, 2020 was the year of whatever, everyone comes back and tries again next season, yes/no? 

Dak might have been crying but if he gets the FT again then he is looking at like $70M or however much that is and then he still going to likely get a big deal from Dallas or elsewhere.

 

[Deamon]

Dallas will franchise him again, 2020 was the year of whatever, everyone comes back and tries again next season, yes/no? 

Dak might have been crying but if he gets the FT again then he is looking at like $70M or however much that is and then he still going to likely get a big deal from Dallas or elsewhere.

Not sure if serious.  If so, there's no way he's franchised again.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Not sure if serious.  If so, there's no way he's franchised again.

Why? They just gonna let him walk out the door?

 

[Deamon]

Why? They just gonna let him walk out the door?

I would think they would sign him long term instead of pay him 60 mil for a single season.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Do you think Dak is coming to the table before he’s 100% & has evaluated his options? 

I think it’s highly unlikely he will be 100% by the start of next season

 

[Gally]

True - but considering he bet on himself by playing without a contract, I’m full expecting him to bet on himself recovering if that means being the beneficiary of a FA bidding war. 

speculation, but then this whole topic is speculative, so...

Or did he learn that there is significant risk and maybe he should think about minimizing this risk after a catastrophic injury?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Or did he learn that there is significant risk and maybe he should think about minimizing this risk after a catastrophic injury?

 

I guess we’ll find out. 

 

[Tom Hagen]

I would think they would sign him long term instead of pay him 60 mil for a single season.

The 2021 franchise number is like $37 million I think. 2022 is when it gets astronomical.  I think the franchise tag for 2021 makes the most sense for both parties.

 

[Manster]

Yeah - in the moment I thought, “that’s what happens when you game plan away from giving a top 5 NFL RB more touches in favor of letting your lanky QB run QB draws.”

Like you, not blaming Dak for his injury, but the Cowboys play-calling there seems questionable, along with Dak not sliding down when he felt the defender approaching.

Maybe I’m oversimplifying but there’s little risk of Dak breaking his ankle if he’d handed the ball off to Zeke. 

The big picture in Big D to me is you built up ur running game, had some bumps in the road with ur O line, so then you become a passing team, and ur QB ends up running and taking more shots than he should......oh yea, and ur defense is painfully thin in depth, so a couple key injuries exposes just how little depth you have......oh yea, and we have some nice shiny toys for WR's.....and now!.......drumroll.......

Here comes the Red Rifle!!

 

[Deamon]

The 2021 franchise number is like $37 million I think. 2022 is when it gets astronomical.  I think the franchise tag for 2021 makes the most sense for both parties.

Really?? Hmmm... I thought it was way more than that but could be wrong.

 

[Tom Hagen]

Really?? Hmmm... I thought it was way more than that but could be wrong.

I double checked because I wasn't sure myself.  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30094522/dak-prescott-ankle-injury-answering-biggest-questions-qb-cowboys-andy-dalton-next
 

The Cowboys can offer Prescott another one-year deal, with this one guaranteeing the Mississippi State product $37.7 million for the 2021 season. The move would amount to a $6.3 million raise, but with the cap set to drop from $198.2 million in 2020 to $175 million as a result of the hit in local revenues, the team would feel the pinch of a second tag even more. Prescott currently takes up 14.4% of Dallas' cap space, but he would be in line to take up something closer to 18.9% next year. With a $175 million cap, $37.7 million is the equivalent of paying Prescott something close to $42.7 million on this year's cap.

At the same time, a second tag would make sense for both sides. The Cowboys might not want to commit to Prescott in the long term until they see that their starter has returned to full health, which they won't be able to see on a football field before the franchise tag deadline in March. Franchising Prescott is the only way the Cowboys could retain his rights before free agency, and that would give them five months to negotiate an extension in advance of the July deadline for handing franchised players long-term contracts.

 

[Deamon]

I double checked because I wasn't sure myself.  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30094522/dak-prescott-ankle-injury-answering-biggest-questions-qb-cowboys-andy-dalton-next
 

Interesting.  Could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Dallas.  They weren't winning a SB this year, and it seems they have the leg up on signing him long term if they tag him.  If he put up enormous numbers this year, he might have been more tempted to walk.