If you are the Twins what do you do? (1 Viewer)

[Finless]

Just curious what any non-biased (not sure there are any here) fans think.

 

[Capella]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.

Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

 

[wadegarrett]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.

Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

I'm with you...I wish the Indians would get in on it for what they're talking about right now.

 

[cobalt_27]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

GD Yanks had their chance and took a pass

 

[Finless]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

So you keep him, make a run and take draft picks? I think Lester, Coco deal makes sense personally. The Twins are a bit backed into a wall here. He's dominant but he's in his late 20's and will require an albatross contract. Lester could end up being a number 2-3 behind Liriano and Masterson has some promise and Coco can get it done in center. I actually think they will take this deal.

 

[Frostillicus]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

The thing is, they pretty much have to trade him, or end up with nothing because they won't sign him. For that team, the Ellsbury trade is the best one they've seen.

 

[shadyridr]

Depends who the throw in is. If its Jackson Id take that deal if I was the Twins.

 

[posty]

I think you hold on to him and make a run with Liriano back... If things are tanking towards the trading deadline, I would think that you could really get someone for him...

 

[Capella]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

So you keep him, make a run and take draft picks? I think Lester, Coco deal makes sense personally. The Twins are a bit backed into a wall here. He's dominant but he's in his late 20's and will require an albatross contract. Lester could end up being a number 2-3 behind Liriano and Masterson has some promise and Coco can get it done in center. I actually think they will take this deal.

Coco sucks. Don't try to sugarcoat it.Getting a #2-3 guy, an unproven prospect and the corpse of Coco Crisp for Johan is flat-out awful.

 

[Capella]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

The thing is, they pretty much have to trade him, or end up with nothing because they won't sign him. For that team, the Ellsbury trade is the best one they've seen.

There's a long, loooooong season ahead. They don't have to trade him right now.

 

[Frostillicus]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

The thing is, they pretty much have to trade him, or end up with nothing because they won't sign him. For that team, the Ellsbury trade is the best one they've seen.

There's a long, loooooong season ahead. They don't have to trade him right now.

Johan already said he wouldn't waive his no-trade midseason. That means the trading deadline is not a possibility. Do you want to take a chance and call his bluff? I'd rather not.There's no way they will be able to resign him, so basically they kind of have to trade him this offseason.

 

[Finless]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

So you keep him, make a run and take draft picks? I think Lester, Coco deal makes sense personally. The Twins are a bit backed into a wall here. He's dominant but he's in his late 20's and will require an albatross contract. Lester could end up being a number 2-3 behind Liriano and Masterson has some promise and Coco can get it done in center. I actually think they will take this deal.

Coco sucks. Don't try to sugarcoat it.Getting a #2-3 guy, an unproven prospect and the corpse of Coco Crisp for Johan is flat-out awful.

Apparently you have more knowledge of the value of the Sox package than the Twins Execs They exchanged medical records, that's a sign of serious interest usually. So once again I ask, is sitting tight better and having Santana for one more year more advantageous than taking one of those deals?

 

[Redwes25]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

So you keep him, make a run and take draft picks? I think Lester, Coco deal makes sense personally. The Twins are a bit backed into a wall here. He's dominant but he's in his late 20's and will require an albatross contract. Lester could end up being a number 2-3 behind Liriano and Masterson has some promise and Coco can get it done in center. I actually think they will take this deal.

Coco sucks. Don't try to sugarcoat it.Getting a #2-3 guy, an unproven prospect and the corpse of Coco Crisp for Johan is flat-out awful.

I am really surprised for how little is being offered for Johan. If I were the twins I would make a run for it and trade him at the deadline if the team tanks. Not like you are getting studs at this point so might as well hold off.

 

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I love how people are just ignoring the peripherals in the Sox deal. Not saying the two prospects are studs... but they are the two top prospects in the Boston Organization not named Ellsbury or Buchholz.

Masterson

(rated #3 Prospect behind Buchholz/Ellsbury)

Scouting Report: Big righty with an ideal pitcher's build. Dominated the Cape Cod League in 2005. Masterson has a three-quarter delivery with a slinging-type motion. His arsenal includes a sinker, a slider, and a change-up. Of those pitches, his best is a phenomenal plus-sinker with an excellent heavy drop -- he can vary its speed from 84-94 mph, catching many hitters off balance. Also mixes in a very good slider that sits in the low 80s, and an improving 77-81 mph four-seam circle change. Uses his sinker predominantly as his out-pitch, but also can make use of his secondary pitches to get out of jams. His mix of pitches results in a high groundball-to-flyball ratio, getting a lot of double plays. Very good command of the zone. Prepares well for every game and pitches with confidence on the mound. Strong character, Masterson is one of the most likable persons and teammates going. Could stand to mix in his changeup a bit more. Converted to a starter in 2007 after coming out of the pen for Lowell in 2006, may still project as a reliever at this point depending on how well his change-up progresses. Needs to work on keeping his delivery consistent deep into games. Ultimately, Masterson's ceiling is a #2 starter or a dominant reliever.

MLB Comparison: Derek Lowe

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Jed Lowrie

(rated #4 prospect in Sox organization)

Scouting Report: Lowrie is an intelligent shortstop with a decent glove and average range. His arm is strong but he needs to work on his throwing accuracy. May be moved to 2B, but his strong work ethic and improving defense is increasing the chances he could stick at SS, where he could probably play the position adequately at the MLB level. Above average speed on the basepaths. He demonstrated plus power for a middle infielder in college, but at this point he looks to have doubles power and not a lot of home run pop. Hits for average very well, and equally from both sides of the plate. Outstanding plate discipline, in true Red Sox form his best attribute may be his ability to work pitchers for good at bats. Fundamental and athletic. Lowrie could use another half-season at AAA, but if he played for a smaller market team he would probably start the 2008 season in the majors.

MLB Comparison: Carlos Guillen

 

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There's a long, loooooong season ahead. They don't have to trade him right now.

If I were the twins I would make a run for it and trade him at the deadline if the team tanks. Not like you are getting studs at this point so might as well hold off.

Johan has said he will NOT waive his no trade midseason. He basically said trade him now or he will become a free agent.

 

[Capella]

at top-2 not named ellsbury and bucholz



It's JOHAN SANTANA. You don't accept B-level prospects here.

 

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at top-2 not named ellsbury and bucholz It's JOHAN SANTANA. You don't accept B-level prospects here.

Apparently the Twins do EDIT: I almost forgot to match the There.... that should do it .

 

[Capella]

at top-2 not named ellsbury and bucholz It's JOHAN SANTANA. You don't accept B-level prospects here.

Apparently the Twins do

actually...I'm pretty sure they haven't.

 

[commisholio]

If I'm the Twins, I suck it up and pay Santana what it will take to sign him to an extension. They can afford it.

 

[BoulderBob]

They will get more...or they keep him and hope Liriano is healthy

 

[Domination]

Trade with the Angels. The have more and better pieces to offer.

 

[30283]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

Yes, these deals suck. Look what the Marlins just got for Cabrera. You can't tell me the best pitcher in the game with the same amount of time left on his contract as Cabrera can't get as much in return. At this point I would probably be happier with keeping him for the year and getting the 2 first rounders.

 

[Balco]

AS a Sox fan, I would love to get him. But the smart move is to keep him. The Twins can certainly compete, they have a great bullpen, and Mauer and Morneau are great players. Throw in Delmon Young and Cuddyer, and the offense ain't so bad. If they are out of contention at the trade deadline, trade Santana and Nathan. Not sure why they are in such a rush.

 

[pettifogger]

I wouldn't be accepting any of those suckass offers for the best pitcher since Pedro's prime.Seriously, am I the only one who thinks these deals are terrible? That's all a dominant ace in his 20s fetches now?

Yes, these deals suck. Look what the Marlins just got for Cabrera. You can't tell me the best pitcher in the game with the same amount of time left on his contract as Cabrera can't get as much in return. At this point I would probably be happier with keeping him for the year and getting the 2 first rounders.

We're talking about the best pitcher in the AL here. I'd keep him and take the two draft picks, same thing the A's did with Giambi, Tejada, Zito and Dye. And I'd try to give him the contract he deserves, and get him to stay.