If you own both ADP and Chester, you must play both of them (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Here is what we are looking at by starting RB this season against Detroit.

Week 1: LaMont Jordan...15/70/TD, 9/89 rec.

Week 2: Adrian Peterson...20/66, 4/52, and Mewelde Moore knocked in 6/50, 4/36 rec.

Week 3: Westbrook...14/110/2TD, 5/111/TD rec, Buckhalter also knocked in 7/43/TD

Week 4: Cedric Benson...who cares, right?

Week 5: Portis...18/72, 2/19 rec, and Sellers punched in 5/24/TD, and 3/36/TD rec

Week 7: Graham had 19/92 and 13/99 rec

Week 8: Cedric Benson...who cares, right?

Week 9: Travis Henry had 9/31, Selvin Young 6/12

Week 10: Edge...18/60, 3/18 rec, JJ Arrington knocked in another 47 total yards

Week 11: Brandon Jacobs...11/54, and 4/49/TD rec

Week 12: Ryan Grant...15/101/TD, 6/31

I come up with an average of about 20 points a game in non PPR leagues. And I think the Vikings are better than average at running the ball so I would estimate that there is a minimum of 25 points on the table today between the two RB. If you have Chester and ADP, you play both of them. I think 25+ out of the two RB could be enough to get you by this week. You might end up with more but if you average 12-13 points a week from both RB, you are typically doing well in a non PPR league. But even if you have PPR, even more of a reason to start both as Detroit is pretty bad at covering the RB.

 

[goldenchild]

Are you saying to start both of them over players like FWP?

I'm very tempted to, but I just can't find the cajones to bench my 1st rounder.

 

[Interseptopus]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

 

[Bucks]

Interesting you posted this. I was just considering doing exactly this and benching Parker, K.Jones, and Young. It's such a juicy match-up. I don't want to miss out but I'm afraid to gamble on just one or the other.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

Well starting at Willis McGahee who is #5 at RB for the season...153/11 games =13 points a game? Reggie Bush is #10 and he is avg maybe 11 points a game in non PPR leagues...

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

 

[Fallerjw]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

Well starting at Willis McGahee who is #5 at RB for the season...153/11 games =13 points a game? Reggie Bush is #10 and he is avg maybe 11 points a game in non PPR leagues...

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

This argument only convinces me to play Westbrook (if I had him.) I see 2 hundo games and the second one barely.

FYI, I'm benching both -- the last 2 times I benched Peterson were his explosion games. My gift to the rest of you.

 

[jb1020]

i have to gamble in taylor....the other option is ward

 

[thatguythere]

Interesting you posted this. I was just considering doing exactly this and benching Parker, K.Jones, and Young. It's such a juicy match-up. I don't want to miss out but I'm afraid to gamble on just one or the other.

Willie Parker has a way better matchup against cincinnati then either of the Minnesota backs no matter what rotation they are played. What is so juicy about Detroit? Did Minnesota suddenly get a threat of a passing attack? Maybe they will be able to run on Detroit, but IMO Pittsburgh will certainly be able to run on Cincinnati.

 

[jurrassic]

I am actually starting Ward over Taylor.

 

[ClownDogs]

Gambling on AP over Chester, but can't start them both over Bush. In another league, benching FWP for Graham for what its worth.

 

[Hugonel]

I already made up my mind to bench R. Bush and start Tayor/ADP. It is certainly possible that ADP gets good time and Taylor is then expected to take the goal line work to save ADP from getting pounded on more obvious run plays.

However, I started Romo/Owens. So I can play a bit more conservatively. I'd rather take the "guarantee" of some points from the ADP/Taylor combo than to start one of them and risk Bush doing little (again) and starting the wrong Viking.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

Well starting at Willis McGahee who is #5 at RB for the season...153/11 games =13 points a game? Reggie Bush is #10 and he is avg maybe 11 points a game in non PPR leagues...

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

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[Utter Chaos]

If you're going to be selective in what stats you average (not including Cedric Benson's 2 games) then you should probably throw out the Philadelphia game where they went a combined 21/153/3TD rushing and 5/111/TD receiving.

That would bring the average down considerably. Also, if Minnesota is expected to exceed the average today then how come in Week 2 they only went 26/116/0TD, 8/98.

I predict a somewhat similar numbers this week, maybe somthing like 30/125/1TD, 3/45. But there's a question on who will get the majority of those numbers. I think it will be Chester.

I own both backs and have already played Marion Barber so instead of trying to guess which one to play I'm benching both and going with Travis Henry against the Raiders.

 

[Panzer]

I'll be playing them both, my only other healthy RB's are Kolby Smith and Kevin Jones. We start 3 and I'll go with Smith and both Vikings

 

[Interseptopus]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

Well starting at Willis McGahee who is #5 at RB for the season...153/11 games =13 points a game? Reggie Bush is #10 and he is avg maybe 11 points a game in non PPR leagues...

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

I only start 1 RB, 2 WR, 2 WR/RB... I've gotten a combined 30 per week from two of these every week:

Colston

Edwards

Galloway

Kolby Smith

Kevin Jones

Chester Taylor

S. Young

Week 10: young and jones, 39.3

Week 11: taylor and (pick anyone, taylor scored 40.2)

Week 12: smith and (pick anyone, smith scored 28.2)

Week 13: I see Kolby Smith scoring about 17-20 this week... of my other options I am going for a sneaky play in Anthony Gonzalez... Harrison out, last week AG scored 16... I can count on at least 5/50 from him this week... most likely more and a score. So another week of a combined 30+ from a RB and a WR/RB position...

So for me, I'll pass on your "let's combine two players to equal one" move... I need a win... fortunately, I'm not desperate like many out there, I have prepared and given myself options so I don't have to roll the dice and start two RBs from the same team...

 

[scooterg61]

Interesting you posted this. I was just considering doing exactly this and benching Parker, K.Jones, and Young. It's such a juicy match-up. I don't want to miss out but I'm afraid to gamble on just one or the other.

Willie Parker has a way better matchup against cincinnati then either of the Minnesota backs no matter what rotation they are played. What is so juicy about Detroit? Did Minnesota suddenly get a threat of a passing attack? Maybe they will be able to run on Detroit, but IMO Pittsburgh will certainly be able to run on Cincinnati.

yea.. like he had such i great matchup vs miami last week right?

 

[Koya]

Yup, limit your upside from the get go - without completely eliminating downside. That's a great strategy.

 

[Hugonel]

Yup, limit your upside from the get go - without completely eliminating downside. That's a great strategy.

If someone can tell me how to eliminate downside in ANY strategy then there's beer in it for you. I AM limiting downside by benching Bush while admittedly limiting the potential upside. But when is the last time Bush had 3 tds in 2007? Never?? (Yes, folks, that's the correct answer. Never).Both ADP and Chester have 3 TD games. So to say the upside is limited might technically be true, but only barely.Still, if you have a stud to play, there can be no criticism is starting that stud. Go with your gut.

 

[thatguythere]

Interesting you posted this. I was just considering doing exactly this and benching Parker, K.Jones, and Young. It's such a juicy match-up. I don't want to miss out but I'm afraid to gamble on just one or the other.

Willie Parker has a way better matchup against cincinnati then either of the Minnesota backs no matter what rotation they are played. What is so juicy about Detroit? Did Minnesota suddenly get a threat of a passing attack? Maybe they will be able to run on Detroit, but IMO Pittsburgh will certainly be able to run on Cincinnati.

yea.. like he had such i great matchup vs miami last week right?

I see, so you are going to play two RB's from one team because Willie Parker only had 80 some yards running in 6 inches of mud. Forget that he ran for 120 and a TD against Cincy last time....Good Luck

 

[Howie]

This argument only convinces me to play Westbrook (if I had him.) I see 2 hundo games and the second one barely.FYI, I'm benching both -- the last 2 times I benched Peterson were his explosion games. My gift to the rest of you.

Likewise here. I am starting Westbrook and FWP and keeping Peterson and Taylor on the bench (along with Kolby Smith, MJD, and Fred Taylor, BTW).

 

[Bucks]

Interesting you posted this. I was just considering doing exactly this and benching Parker, K.Jones, and Young. It's such a juicy match-up. I don't want to miss out but I'm afraid to gamble on just one or the other.

Willie Parker has a way better matchup against cincinnati then either of the Minnesota backs no matter what rotation they are played. What is so juicy about Detroit? Did Minnesota suddenly get a threat of a passing attack? Maybe they will be able to run on Detroit, but IMO Pittsburgh will certainly be able to run on Cincinnati.

yea.. like he had such i great matchup vs miami last week right?

I see, so you are going to play two RB's from one team because Willie Parker only had 80 some yards running in 6 inches of mud. Forget that he ran for 120 and a TD against Cincy last time....Good Luck

I'm still undecided if I play the Viking tandem but in my scoring system Detroit is ranked 30th in points to RB's whereas Bengals are 20th. FWP has been a yardage machine but little TD production and the 3-0 Pittsburgh MNF mudfest is still fresh in my mind.

 

[Koya]

Yup, limit your upside from the get go - without completely eliminating downside. That's a great strategy.

If someone can tell me how to eliminate downside in ANY strategy then there's beer in it for you. I AM limiting downside by benching Bush while admittedly limiting the potential upside. But when is the last time Bush had 3 tds in 2007? Never?? (Yes, folks, that's the correct answer. Never).Both ADP and Chester have 3 TD games. So to say the upside is limited might technically be true, but only barely.Still, if you have a stud to play, there can be no criticism is starting that stud. Go with your gut.

You limit your upside because you are using only one team's rushing TDs rather than the ability to get two team's worth of rushing TDs. Unless you have a really bad option, I would decide who I think is the better back and go with them.Your downside is still there (it might be somewhat limited but not as much as you are limiting upside imo) because if the Vikings DONT score many rushing TDs, or any for that matter as the game breaks, you are really screwed. Now you lost BOTH your RBs production because of how one game broke.There are occasions to do this - but I would start a Kolby Smith type over starting both Vikings back at this point. I just still see it as taking the "easy" way out and not having to face the difficult reality that you could start one of them while the other goes off. You could start both, neither go off, and you are done for the week (and maybe for your playoff chances)

 

[-OZ-]

I have both, along with MJD, KJones, and Grant. Benched Grant but I'm pretty sure I'm going with ADP and MJD.

 

[TheBigDog]

So you're saying I should bench SJax and Portis, and go with ADP and Taylor instead? Hmmm can't do that...but I am torn between Portis and ADP...help me out on the assistant coach forums...

 

[swirvenirvin]

Nope detroit is going to shut them both down

 

[-OZ-]

So you're saying I should bench SJax and Portis, and go with ADP and Taylor instead? Hmmm can't do that...but I am torn between Portis and ADP...help me out on the assistant coach forums...

really? I like ADP as much as anyone, but he isn't 100%. Go with Portis.

 

[SlaX]

from the other thread:

Adrian Peterson: Bench him…he is splitting time at best with Chester Taylor.

Change of mind or just playing the odds?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

from the other thread:

Adrian Peterson: Bench him…he is splitting time at best with Chester Taylor.

Change of mind or just playing the odds?

It was the most talked about debate in that thread so I whipped these numbers up and figured I would bounce the ideas off everyone. I would play ADP and Chester vs splitting them with someone like Rudi Johnson or something along those lines.

 

[SlaX]

from the other thread:

Adrian Peterson: Bench him…he is splitting time at best with Chester Taylor.

Change of mind or just playing the odds?

It was the most talked about debate in that thread so I whipped these numbers up and figured I would bounce the ideas off everyone. I would play ADP and Chester vs splitting them with someone like Rudi Johnson or something along those lines.

I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread, so I appreciate the summary. I do agree with playing ADP, but I've been second guessing it all week.

 

[Bobcat10]

Nice thought, but I'm thinking this is a circumstance thing. Most people should not do this if they have other options.

In a 12-team ppr...I'll be starting SJax and Jamal over Taylor and Peterson.

In a 12-team non-ppr...I already played Grant Thursday (20+ right there) and I'll start Addai over Peterson.

I think these are the right plays.

 

[Hugonel]

ADP sets up the score with a nice 28 yard run, Taylor finishes it off with a TD.

I'm thinking I can live with this.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

ADP: 3/31

Taylor: 3/31/TD

12 points on the 1st drive alone...should be a breeze hitting 25-30 for the day.

 

[Koya]

Where is the "delete post" button again?

 

[IndyHavoc]

Nice call already MOP. Started ADP and was waffling on CP or CT...went with CP...we'll have to see if I regret not listening closer to your advice.

 

[Hugonel]

Tally:

Chester: 3/31 1 TD

ADP: 7/53 1 TD

 

[zoonation]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this weekMy predictionTaylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yardsPeterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yardssure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

wow....I bet you feel pretty stupid.

 

[Mario Kart]

Point per catch without combining yards give the AP/CT combo 40 points right now.

 

[caglassc]

Nope detroit is going to shut them both down

 

[Dt's Mules]

kudos to mop for not coming back here to gloat

and for the call itself.

 

[OU#1]

Good post MoP. I didn't listen though, but it was an easy choice. I started ADP and LT with confidence and it obviously payed off.

 

[Crusaderfan]

They've only allowed 2 100+ rushers all season.........

Ridiculous post considering ADP is coming off an injury...

And 20 points off 2 RBs WON'T get it done in a playoff-determining week for many. What I need is 30-35 between any two players (WR, RB, WR/RB)... 20 won't get it done in most leagues. Better off starting someone with potential to get 20 points ALONE rather than 2 joke plays this week

My prediction

Taylor 15/80/1 4 catches/30 yards

Peterson 8/45/0 2 catches 15 yards

sure, combine the stats and that's a great day for a single RB... but most people are looking to score big at two positions, not just one combined

Well starting at Willis McGahee who is #5 at RB for the season...153/11 games =13 points a game? Reggie Bush is #10 and he is avg maybe 11 points a game in non PPR leagues...

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

I only start 1 RB, 2 WR, 2 WR/RB... I've gotten a combined 30 per week from two of these every week:

Colston

Edwards

Galloway

Kolby Smith

Kevin Jones

Chester Taylor

S. Young

Week 10: young and jones, 39.3

Week 11: taylor and (pick anyone, taylor scored 40.2)

Week 12: smith and (pick anyone, smith scored 28.2)

Week 13: I see Kolby Smith scoring about 17-20 this week... of my other options I am going for a sneaky play in Anthony Gonzalez... Harrison out, last week AG scored 16... I can count on at least 5/50 from him this week... most likely more and a score. So another week of a combined 30+ from a RB and a WR/RB position...

So for me, I'll pass on your "let's combine two players to equal one" move... I need a win... fortunately, I'm not desperate like many out there, I have prepared and given myself options so I don't have to roll the dice and start two RBs from the same team...

Since you decided MOP's post was ridiculous - how did this strategy work out for you? I'm guessing that unless you changed your mind and went Edwards and Galloway - not too well?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Good call.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Funny flip flop from your Exploit/Avoid post. What happened to change your mind?

 

[shredhead]

Show me a combo where you can count on 30-35 points a week this year, it just isn't there at RB my friend.

34 out of Westbrook/Henry.I would have came out the same with Westy/Chester though. Funny how I struggled with the decision and they scorewd the same. Don't have AD in that league. Loved his 100+ and 2 TD's in the other league!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Funny flip flop from your Exploit/Avoid post. What happened to change your mind?

I felt like with the updated info that he was going to play, and a very close FBG staff member that I will leave as anonymous, we deduced that the only way to play this was either together or not at all. I went with starting both and about 40 points later it looks like I was right. From here on out I guess you can just start ADP.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

kudos to mop for not coming back here to gloatand for the call itself.

I was away for most of the day, just me a chance, I can gloat... Just a lucky guess really.

 

[Jayrod]

kudos to mop for not coming back here to gloatand for the call itself.

I was away for most of the day, just me a chance, I can gloat... Just a lucky guess really.

Don't sell yourself short, that was good analysis.A buddy of mine is in a TD only league and did this exact thing and it payed off.It was a smart (and as some folks like to say, "shark") play.Assuming the Vikings would get 2-3 TD's on the ground and knowing you had it covered with both backs was a great idea if the situation was right.

 

[AB in DC]

So now they get to travel to SF to play an absolutely pathetic team. Granted it's on the road, but I wonder if the same logic applies.

ADP is a must start, obviously, but I'd be interested in seeing people's rankings for CT as a "backup" in a likely blowout. Top 15? Top 25? Top 35?

 

[jurrassic]

I am considering starting Taylor as my #2 back over the other AP. I just don't see the reason behind giving Peterson late carries in what should be a blowout. Then again, Moore got 4th quarter carries last week.