If you were an NFL player (1 Viewer)

[cashman88]

You may not like Drew Rosenhaus, but you don't have to like him. He's an agent, and the reason you hire him is to get the highest salary he can from the team you want to play for.

In the end, it looks as though Drew has done his job well for his clients. TO finally got paid; Edgerrin also got a big paycheck. As a fan, you may (and probably don't) like his methods. But as a player, you'd have to like the way he gets his clients paid.

 

[beto]

I voted no. Who's to say whether a different agent would have gotten more money?

 

[Koya]

Not a chance in hell. There are agents whom would garner my respect not only in terms of $$ into my (and his) pockets, but in how he handles himself professionally and as a man as well.

Wouldn't hire someone that I have such a low level of respect for.

 

[B-Deep]

I'd hire Culpepper.

Or some random friend of Vince Young's

 

[AB in DC]

:X

 

[GregR_2]

In the end, it looks as though Drew has done his job well for his clients. TO finally got paid; Edgerrin also got a big paycheck. As a fan, you may (and probably don't) like his methods. But as a player, you'd have to like the way he gets his clients paid.

According to ESPN, TO will make about $4.7m more in Dallas over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly, but he forfeited about $4m in salary due to his actions since coming under Drew's guidance.So he's up a net $700,000 over his previous contract.

TO's stock was probably the highest ever coming off the Super Bowl, given the gutsy play of going out there injured and doing what he did. Now his public image is pretty badly trashed. I'd have to think any quality agent could have more than made up that $700k in extra endorsements he won't get now because of what his image became under Drew.

If you want to point to positives for Drew, I'd suggest starting with McGahee going in the first round.

 

[Ozymandias]

In the end, it looks as though Drew has done his job well for his clients.  TO finally got paid; Edgerrin also got a big paycheck.  As a fan, you may (and probably don't) like his methods.  But as a player, you'd have to like the way he gets his clients paid.

According to ESPN, TO will make about $4.7m more in Dallas over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly, but he forfeited about $4m in salary due to his actions since coming under Drew's guidance.So he's up a net $700,000 over his previous contract.

TO's stock was probably the highest ever coming off the Super Bowl, given the gutsy play of going out there injured and doing what he did. Now his public image is pretty badly trashed. I'd have to think any quality agent could have more than made up that $700k in extra endorsements he won't get now because of what his image became under Drew.

TO could have made millions in endorsements after the Superbowl. Not only in Philly, but on the national scene. Now he's not worth much. He might rehabilitate himself in Dallas, but he's lost years of endorsement money.Without knowing the deatils of his contract, I would imagine it has some performance bonuses. If he gets injured, he won't collect those. That would not have been as true if he hadn't been a pain in the butt.

 

[Qbert89]

Having friends who work with IMG Football, I'd hire Tom Condon in a heartbeat. Rosen-pig and the Postons are detrimental to the sport.

 

[Orange Crush]

In the end, it looks as though Drew has done his job well for his clients.  TO finally got paid; Edgerrin also got a big paycheck.  As a fan, you may (and probably don't) like his methods.  But as a player, you'd have to like the way he gets his clients paid.

According to ESPN, TO will make about $4.7m more in Dallas over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly, but he forfeited about $4m in salary due to his actions since coming under Drew's guidance.So he's up a net $700,000 over his previous contract.

TO's stock was probably the highest ever coming off the Super Bowl, given the gutsy play of going out there injured and doing what he did. Now his public image is pretty badly trashed. I'd have to think any quality agent could have more than made up that $700k in extra endorsements he won't get now because of what his image became under Drew.

Yes, but T.O. pays less taxes as a resident of Texas. So can you enter that into the equation?

 

[cashman88]

According to ESPN, TO will make about $4.7m more in Dallas over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly, but he forfeited about $4m in salary due to his actions since coming under Drew's guidance.

I'd have to think any quality agent could have more than made up that $700k in extra endorsements he won't get now because of what his image became under Drew.

TO could have made millions in endorsements after the Superbowl. Not only in Philly, but on the national scene. Now he's not worth much. He might rehabilitate himself in Dallas, but he's lost years of endorsement money.Without knowing the deatils of his contract, I would imagine it has some performance bonuses. If he gets injured, he won't collect those. That would not have been as true if he hadn't been a pain in the butt.

I don't think we can know whether it was Drew's guidance that made TO act like such an ###, or just that TO is an ###. Maybe Drew was just as surprised as the rest of us at what came out of TO's mouth and some of his actions -- and he managed it as best as he could. Yes, some of Drew's other clients have held out, but I haven't seen a pattern of his client's acting like complete jerks in public at Drew's direction. You can't fault Drew for having TO as a client. TO was an ### in SF, long before Drew was his agent.And Drew has many clients other than TO, and from what I read in the papers, those clients seem to get good contracts.

 

[Demons]

The reality: Rosenhaus wasn't going to get any of that football money without a new contract. TO with a new team means $$$ in Drew's pocket.

Drew could have played the hand a little differently, and likely gotten his client a slightly better/different deal with Philly, without the scorched earth campaign. Being released by Philly is a Pyrrhic victory at best.

Regarding the tax question, Texas has astronomically high property taxes, which offset the benefit to be gained by no state income tax.

 

[Sinrman]

Having friends who work with IMG Football, I'd hire Tom Condon in a heartbeat. Rosen-pig and the Postons are detrimental to the sport.

 

[GregR_2]

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I don't think we can know whether it was Drew's guidance that made TO act like such an ###, or just that TO is an ###. Maybe Drew was just as surprised as the rest of us at what came out of TO's mouth and some of his actions -- and he managed it as best as he could. Yes, some of Drew's other clients have held out, but I haven't seen a pattern of his client's acting like complete jerks in public at Drew's direction. You can't fault Drew for having TO as a client. TO was an ### in SF, long before Drew was his agent.

And Drew has many clients other than TO, and from what I read in the papers, those clients seem to get good contracts.

Wait a sec. You were the one who gave TO's situation as an example of something Rosenhaus should be judged on.It isn't like TO got a monster deal. Compare his deal to other top WRs and his contract doesn't make you go wow in particular... and TO's contract came after a 20% jump in the salary cap, while guys like Harrison and Holt and Moss had contracts that came before it so were based on less cash available for players. There's nothing about his particular contract that I think any good agent couldn't have got him.

So if Drew isn't responsible for the results of getting TO out of Philly, I'm not sure why you gave it as a example we should judge him on.

 

[helix]

Regarding the tax question, Texas has astronomically high property taxes, which offset the benefit to be gained by no state income tax.

No way does a higher property tax offset no state income tax. Do the math. NY and CA state taxes run about 10% (and they still have a hefty propery tax). 10% of 4mil.(half of TO's games are outside TX) equals 400K. A 1% property tax increase on a $5 mil. equals 50K.

Also, I doubt TO buys a home anyway (I believe he did not own a house in Phili- NJ?). I think his primary residence is in Atlanta.

 

[GregR_2]

In the end, it looks as though Drew has done his job well for his clients. TO finally got paid; Edgerrin also got a big paycheck. As a fan, you may (and probably don't) like his methods. But as a player, you'd have to like the way he gets his clients paid.

According to ESPN, TO will make about $4.7m more in Dallas over the next 3 years than he would have made in Philly, but he forfeited about $4m in salary due to his actions since coming under Drew's guidance.So he's up a net $700,000 over his previous contract.

TO's stock was probably the highest ever coming off the Super Bowl, given the gutsy play of going out there injured and doing what he did. Now his public image is pretty badly trashed. I'd have to think any quality agent could have more than made up that $700k in extra endorsements he won't get now because of what his image became under Drew.

Yes, but T.O. pays less taxes as a resident of Texas. So can you enter that into the equation?

Sure. 3.07% Penn tax rate * $20.3m = $625k saved. If we are generous and say he can avoid all other Texas taxes that are higher to make up for lack of income tax, that's $1.3m.I still think over the time it'll take to repair his image, if he ever does, he could have made a LOT more than that in endorsements. Any agent negotiating with a Texas team would have got him that same advantage. If we're saying Drew gets credit for it because he got TO out, then he probably should also take responsibility for the lessened endorsement opportunities.

As I said before, if someone wants to talk in favor of Rosenhaus you should probably start with McGahee.

 

[BlueOnion]

I voted no. Drew would be working for me and consequently representing me. So instead of hiding behind a facade of good cop \ bad cop, I would feel responsible for what he said he the media.

There are plenty of other good agents out there who are not going to jerk the fans around while using my name.

 

[BlueOnion]

Next Question.

Mr. Rosenhaus, Mr. Rosenhaus! Since becoming T.O.'s agent what have you done for him other than get him fired from his job?

NEXT QUESTION!

 

[kellumsboys]

Next Question.

Mr. Rosenhaus, Mr. Rosenhaus!  Since becoming T.O.'s agent what have you done for him other than get him fired from his job?

NEXT QUESTION!

deal with the devil and you will get burned

 

[pyite76]

I'd hire Culpepper.

Or some random friend of Vince Young's

Ooooooh where is this option?! I be fin get paid!

 

[BoulderBob]

Considering I'd probably be out of the league in a year or two, like the vast majority of NFL players, I'd hire the guy who can make me the most money. Come on down Rosenhaus...

 

[Donnybrook]

No without a doubt, I would hire Tom Condon. He devised the contract that liberated Steve Hutchinson from Seattle. He negotiated Brees' big contract with NO. So far, he is making a killing.

 

[trader jake]

no leigh steinberg mention yet? i'd consider him a top candidate