if you were going to buy a new gun, what would you get? (1 Viewer)

[Chaos Commish]

I'm in the market for a 22lr, but going to take my time. Open to suggestions. 

Not taking my time after all. $270 for an Anshutz 22lr with a 4 pound adjustable trigger and a match grade barrel? Done and done. @Mad Cowprobably has one already. It's a Scar trainer. It's also a sniper trainer, thanks to the precision German bits. 

The Anschutz MSR RX22 is an impressive little rifle, with the weight of a .223 carbine and the accuracy of a sniper rifle. Practicing with it at 300 yards is similar to using a .308 Winchester at 1,000 yards when it comes to critical ballistics and windage and elevation corrections.

That's F-Class practice right there. Me and my ringing ears are so into this. Stupid CDNN won't ship semi autos to California despite the many legal versions including this one as long as I don't order the folding stock and 20 round mag. Anyway, shipping it to a Nevada FFL who will then forward it to my local shop. Many purchased these for $700 and were happy about it. 

 

[opensourcebeer]

Can you elaborate?  I'm not talking about firing a warning shot when you are engaged with an armed intruder. I'm talking about firing a shot in another room when there is an intruder trying to break into your house through your front door.  Do you think the intruder is more likely to take off when there is gunfire, or to continue to break through your front door, search your house to find you, and then kill you?  

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I'll try to break down the situation you've described.

Firing a warning shot could be considered use of "deadly force".  In that case you could be considered the aggressor.  To determine if your actions are justifiably, ask the following questions:

1. Did your intruder have the ability to cause you harm?  In the situation you've described, unknown.

2. Did the intruder have the opportunity to cause you harm?  They are still outside your house, so no.

3. Would a reasonable person believe themselves in immediate danger?  Maybe, maybe not.  The intruder is not inside your house and their intent is unclear other than trying to break in.

4. Was your use of force a last resort, i.e. did you have any other safe options that you could have taken instead.  In the situation you described, you haven't verbally challenged the intruder, called the police, retreated to inner room in your house, or flee your home.  If your State has a "castle doctrine" law, fleeing your home may not been seen as an option.

 

[Mad Cow]

Not taking my time after all. $270 for an Anshutz 22lr with a 4 pound adjustable trigger and a match grade barrel? Done and done. @Mad Cowprobably has one already. It's a Scar trainer. It's also a sniper trainer, thanks to the precision German bits. 

That's F-Class practice right there. Me and my ringing ears are so into this. Stupid CDNN won't ship semi autos to California despite the many legal versions including this one as long as I don't order the folding stock and 20 round mag. Anyway, shipping it to a Nevada FFL who will then forward it to my local shop. Many purchased these for $700 and were happy about it. 

I wish I had one of those.  

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

For the Ruger .22LR, try different ammo. It makes ALL the difference in accuracy. I have shot Ruger .22LRs in target competitions. They can shoot groups of less than 1" at 100yards EASILY with the right ammunition. Sometimes even so much as the LOT NUMBER within the same brand of ammo can make a difference in the accuracy. 

I will also vouch for Anschutz. I have a couple of those (although not the model linked above), one target-grade and one hunting-grade, both used in competition. I will testify that they are absolute tack drivers with the right ammuntion. I have shot .25" - .5" groups at 100 yards under good conditions with the right ammo. Unbelievable accuracy and most folks have no idea a .22 can be that accurate, but they absolutely can. 

 

[Otis]

I'd like to pick up a Mossberg 590A1. Can I buy a shotgun online anywhere?

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'd like to pick up a Mossberg 590A1. Can I buy a shotgun online anywhere?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/46999/Firearms/Shotguns/Mossberg/Mossberg+590A1+12GA+9RD+20

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'd like to pick up a Mossberg 590A1. Can I buy a shotgun online anywhere?

Local is good. Nice selection.

 

[Otis]

Well I went and pulled the trigger on the Mossberg. Bought online and will pick up locally soon. Picked up a combination trigger lock and a hard case and some other accessories off Amazon. Will buy a few boxes each of buckshot and slugs when I go get the gun, the slugs for a local range (found a public range about 10 mins from my house, per the website you can only use slugs in a shotgun). I guess I might as well go shoot a few times and figure out how to use the damn thing. 

 

My Scout has a locking shotgun holder in the back that is visible, but I'm thinking I am better off around here keeping it in the case when transporting to the range. 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Well I went and pulled the trigger on the Mossberg. Bought online and will pick up locally soon. Picked up a combination trigger lock and a hard case and some other accessories off Amazon. Will buy a few boxes each of buckshot and slugs when I go get the gun, the slugs for a local range (found a public range about 10 mins from my house, per the website you can only use slugs in a shotgun). I guess I might as well go shoot a few times and figure out how to use the damn thing. 

 

My Scout has a locking shotgun holder in the back that is visible, but I'm thinking I am better off around here keeping it in the case when transporting to the range. 

 if you've never shot a shotgun before, make SURE you have the butt of the stock firmly against your shoulder before firing, because if there is any distance between stock and shoulder when you pull the trigger, you will realize it immediately and it will not feel very good

 

[Chaos Commish]

Well I went and pulled the trigger on the Mossberg. Bought online and will pick up locally soon. Picked up a combination trigger lock and a hard case and some other accessories off Amazon. Will buy a few boxes each of buckshot and slugs when I go get the gun, the slugs for a local range (found a public range about 10 mins from my house, per the website you can only use slugs in a shotgun). I guess I might as well go shoot a few times and figure out how to use the damn thing. 

 

My Scout has a locking shotgun holder in the back that is visible, but I'm thinking I am better off around here keeping it in the case when transporting to the range. 

Well it ain't a guitar, but as BB would say if it was, HNGD! Congrats. A firearm is a somber acquisition compared to a guitar though. Chuckled at the thought of you rolling around NY with a shotgun in the window. No idea what accessories you bought but you don't have ears like a Hollywood actor. You need these. Please get professional safety instruction despite it being mostly common sense and you not being a yeehaw. Don't be aloof at the gunshop. It's not just okay to be honest about your experience/knowledge level; it's a necessity. I liked the 500 rounds of practice advice in this thread, but think a hundred is plenty to get comfortable with a pump gun you plan to keep only for the worst imaginable and unlikely situation, if it comes with the safety instruction. Btw, departing with a Mossberg 500 was very hard for me. Handed down from my dad, who was in the Navy - a gorgeous stainless Marine model with little use. I halfway wish I'd shipped it to someone like you so I would know where it is. Also, my current Mossberg 12g, a 930 JM, is $-4-$ one of the most impressive firearms I've ever handled. A legit Anaheim SWAT guy borrowed it once and turned in his Benelli for one. 

 

[Otis]

 if you've never shot a shotgun before, make SURE you have the butt of the stock firmly against your shoulder before firing, because if there is any distance between stock and shoulder when you pull the trigger, you will realize it immediately and it will not feel very good

You must have missed my post earlier in this thread. Otis is a champion clay shooter. 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

You must have missed my post earlier in this thread. Otis is a champion clay shooter. 

 Apologies, I did indeed miss it. 

 

[Otis]

Mossberg 590A1 in my possession. A few boxes of shells, slugs for the local range, and some buck and birdshot.  Added a trigger lock, side saddle shell holder, glowing aiming thingy, and a tactical light on a picatilly rail.  I basically feel like a navy seal when I'm walking around in my boxers at night.  Also got some dummy/inert shells to mess with loading and unloading and firing. Basically nobody wants to come into my house at night.  Mostly because there's a goof with a shotgun full of fake shells walking around in his boxers pretending to be a seal.

I did get some targets and ear and eye protection and plan to hit the range one of these days.  I was planning to bring my wife and teach her as well.  But really, I'm not so sure she's gonna be able to handle this thing.  

 

[Ned]

Mossberg 590A1 in my possession. A few boxes of shells, slugs for the local range, and some buck and birdshot.  Added a trigger lock, side saddle shell holder, glowing aiming thingy, and a tactical light on a picatilly rail.  I basically feel like a navy seal when I'm walking around in my boxers at night.  Also got some dummy/inert shells to mess with loading and unloading and firing. Basically nobody wants to come into my house at night.  Mostly because there's a goof with a shotgun full of fake shells walking around in his boxers pretending to be a seal.

I did get some targets and ear and eye protection and plan to hit the range one of these days.  I was planning to bring my wife and teach her as well.  But really, I'm not so sure she's gonna be able to handle this thing.  

I'm sure she'll thoroughly enjoy shooting slugs out of a 12ga shotgun.

ETA: Wait.... I just googled that model.   of course you bought that.  Did you splurge for the 9 capacity?

 

[Otis]

I'm sure she'll thoroughly enjoy shooting slugs out of a 12ga shotgun.

ETA: Wait.... I just googled that model.   of course you bought that.  Did you splurge for the 9 capacity?

I think it's 7+1. 

 

[McGarnicle]

Good god  

 

[Otis]

####. Yeah I think I did get the 9 shot. No wonder this thing is so enormous. 

Those two extra shots one day could be the difference makers. 

 

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####. Yeah I think I did get the 9 shot. No wonder this thing is so enormous. 

Those two extra shots one day could be the difference makers. 

Booooo..

... home defense = 18.5" barrel. 

 

[Chaos Commish]

Be careful with that axe, Eugene.

 

[Otis]

Booooo..

... home defense = 18.5" barrel. 

So I have an extra inch and a half. I'm used to that anyway heyooooo

 

[Chaos Commish]

So I have an extra inch and a half. I'm used to that anyway heyooooo

And a couple extra loads to boot.

 

[McGarnicle]

Does buckshot in close quarters have any stopping power? Or is the slug basically the only choice for home defense?

 

[Mad Cow]

Does buckshot in close quarters have any stopping power? Or is the slug basically the only choice for home defense?

There are some nasty loads with like 8 large balls.

 

[Chaos Commish]

There are some nasty loads with like 8 large balls.

Yup all kinds of designer loads out there. Some seem pretty nutty if you're worried about what's on the other side of a wall, across the street even. Double Ought has 12 .33 cal bullets/pellets in it. That's too much. #4 buck is going to stop anything indoors. The argument for #1 buck is the best. I'm not looking it up and I don't remember the details. I used to keep a bean bag round in the first position. I could hand load something else rather than rack the bag. My dad used salt, the old salt that he was. Currently of my ten firearms none are handy for home defense. That's my dog's job. Otis and I purchased the same day and CDNN still hasn't shipped. Wonder if somehow they know I'm a Califommunist? 

 

[Chaos Commish]

I think Double Ought penetrates six sheets of dry wall. woof.

 

[Otis]

Does buckshot in close quarters have any stopping power? Or is the slug basically the only choice for home defense?

Yeah I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet a direct hit would shut a guy down pretty well.

Guy at the gun store also made the point these things are pretty much useless beyond 25 yards; that said, he said if someone is more than 25 yards away, should you really be shooting at them?  You probably have other, better options at that point.

It's a good point.

 

[Borden]

Yeah I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet a direct hit would shut a guy down pretty well.

Guy at the gun store also made the point these things are pretty much useless beyond 25 yards; that said, he said if someone is more than 25 yards away, should you really be shooting at them?  You probably have other, better options at that point.

It's a good point.

You should probably get a medium to long range gun for those other situations now.

 

[Ned]

Yeah I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet a direct hit would shut a guy down pretty well.

Guy at the gun store also made the point these things are pretty much useless beyond 25 yards; that said, he said if someone is more than 25 yards away, should you really be shooting at them?  You probably have other, better options at that point.

It's a good point.

In your McMansion, 25yds is probably the smallest bedroom.  I'd recommend one of these for your living room.

 

[msommer]

In your McMansion, 25yds is probably the smallest bedroom.  I'd recommend one of these for your living room.

Note the scope for those tricky 26 yard shots

 

[Otis]

In your McMansion, 25yds is probably the smallest bedroom.  I'd recommend one of these for your living room.

I gotta admit, some of those semi auto assault rifles in the gun shop looked pretty awesome. I imagined setting up on my second floor and picking off approaching zombies. Not sure I need something quite this big though. 

 

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Yeah I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet a direct hit would shut a guy down pretty well.

Guy at the gun store also made the point these things are pretty much useless beyond 25 yards; that said, he said if someone is more than 25 yards away, should you really be shooting at them?  You probably have other, better options at that point.

It's a good point.

25 yards is a long way in a gunfight. I agree with guy at the store.. I know Otis does pretty well, but I'm guessing 25yds is outside your house and probably starting to get to the edges of your property if not beyond it. That shotty is plenty for your purposes.  

 

[McGarnicle]

There are some nasty loads with like 8 large balls.

 

 

[Ned]

I gotta admit, some of those semi auto assault rifles in the gun shop looked pretty awesome.

It's an awful lot of fun shooting 1-300 yards.......

 

[Jobber]

The only shotgun I have is a 16 guage. Unless ####### Big Bird is invading my house, it's useless. I should pick up a Mossberg.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

you need this too, Oat  

 

[Mad Cow]

 

You are welcome!  I tried to set that one up as best I could. 

 

[TheFanatic]

Booooo..

... home defense = 18.5" barrel. 

This. I have the Mossberg 500 with a flashlight on the end. First two rounds are #4 birdshot. The rest are home defense rounds which have three large balls and a bunch of pellets. The balls are the equivalent of three .357 rounds in one shot, plus an array of pellets which spread the shot out to hit more of the target. Expensive rounds, but the best of both worlds. 

 

[zDragon]

Skimmed two of the articles. I'll give them a closer read but I'm not yet convinced on the legal aspect in the jurisdiction in which I live and in the circumstances to which I'm referring. No property owner is getting charged for discharging a firearm in his own home to scare off an intruder in the county where I live. Of that I am sure. 

I wouldn't fire a warning shot for the simple reason I don't know where that shot is going to hit.  Depending on what your using it could hit your neighbor walking outside or family members inside.  Not to mention you have no idea of the number or mental state of who is breaking into your house.

I have a Taurus Judge and would only fire if I absolutely had to.  None of my possessions are worth killing or being killed for.  Now enter the room with my family and that is a different story.  I personally would say try to get out of the house if possible 

 

[Chaos Commish]

you need this too, Oat  

Speaking of accessorizing a 590, I think this is a must. The 590 supposedly can only take 590 milspec barrels. But this is only because of the tube design. So swap it for a model 500 tube and presto, she's a 28" flying clay bird killer. So it costs Otis $45 more than a normal person who just buys a 500 but hey everything costs him more. 

 

[Otis]

you need this too, Oat  

Guy at the gun shop kept telling me I need a bayonet.  

 

[Otis]

Speaking of accessorizing a 590, I think this is a must. The 590 supposedly can only take 590 milspec barrels. But this is only because of the tube design. So swap it for a model 500 tube and presto, she's a 28" flying clay bird killer. So it costs Otis $45 more than a normal person who just buys a 500 but hey everything costs him more. 

I do enjoy shooting clay.  Is the point here that for clay shooting you're supposed to have a longer barrel for better accuracy?  Why can't I just use my current gun for clay shooting?

 

[AAABatteries]

@Otis - please don't shoot yourself.

 

[TheFanatic]

I do enjoy shooting clay.  Is the point here that for clay shooting you're supposed to have a longer barrel for better accuracy?  Why can't I just use my current gun for clay shooting?

Longer barrel means more accurate at longer distances. Short barrel shotguns are not used to hunt or shoot clay. 

 

[Ned]

I do enjoy shooting clay.  Is the point here that for clay shooting you're supposed to have a longer barrel for better accuracy?  Why can't I just use my current gun for clay shooting?

Longer barrel means more accurate at longer distances. Short barrel shotguns are not used to hunt or shoot clay. 

 

Looking down that short barrel will screw with your sight picture/lead.  

Does that bad boy have interchangeable chokes?

 

[Borden]

I do enjoy shooting clay.  Is the point here that for clay shooting you're supposed to have a longer barrel for better accuracy?  Why can't I just use my current gun for clay shooting?

The longer barrel keeps all the pellets in a tighter group as they leave the barrel. They have less chance to spread out because the extra length of the barrel forces their angles to be more acute. 

This "tighter spread" is wanted be the clays are presumably farther away than the burglar in your home. And if the pellets are too far spread out by the time they get to the same distance as the clay, your aim could be perfect but the distance between the pellets may be so much that clay doesn't even get hit. 

***The "choke" on a shotgun also has affect of on the spread of the pellets. 

 

[eoMMan]

Keep your guns secure, people...

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/news/local/florida/2017/09/21/girl-4-shoots-self-while-grabbing-candy-grandmas-purse/688576001/

 

[eoMMan]

There were a few break ins in my neighborhood about 3-4 years ago.  They coincided with fake door to door salesmen ripping people off.  One of my neighbors was a cop, and said he suspected they were connected.  A guy knocked on my door asking to clean my carpets.  I said no, and he got pushy and walked into my house to see how much carpet I had so he could clean a room for free, despite me asking him to leave.  I always left my gun in the hall closet, but had went to the range earlier in the week.  I got lazy and didn't put my better ammo back in the magazine.  I calmly grabbed my unloaded VP9 out of the hall closet when he walked down the hall.  He stopped at the end of the hall and turned around to my unloaded gun pointed at him.  He about #### his pants and ran out of the house. 

Having said all of that, I don't own my gun for protection.  Most houses are broken into when no one is home, and in the chance I were home, I'd sleep through it.  I mainly just have mine to mess around at the range, but to me it's worth having just in case.  If you know what you're doing, and you store the gun properly, there is no downside.

Sounds like a good dog would serve you better than a gun.

 

[TheFanatic]

Keep your guns secure, people...

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/news/local/florida/2017/09/21/girl-4-shoots-self-while-grabbing-candy-grandmas-purse/688576001/

And not just in the purse. At home. If you can't afford a safe then you can't afford a gun. 

 

[bleachercreacher]

Sounds like a good dog would serve you better than a gun.

No, my gun worked perfect.  I have a 160 pound Great Dane.  She didn't even get off the couch.

 

[eoMMan]

No, my gun worked perfect.  I have a 160 pound Great Dane.  She didn't even get off the couch.

I was referring to you saying this:

"Having said all of that, I don't own my gun for protection.  Most houses are broken into when no one is home, and in the chance I were home, I'd sleep through it."

A good watch dog will bark and will do two things...wake you up (so you can get your gun) and possibly scare off the intruder.

That's all.