if you were going to buy a new gun, what would you get? (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

As an owner of 2 Springfield's, I don't think of this as a plus. It's the same as the trigger safety. As long as you are holding it,  and in the case of the Glock having your booger hooker on the bang switch, the thing is ready to go. Having grown up with a thumb safety, I prefer that added security measure. Some would argue that the trigger and grip safeties make it easier to defend yourself, and I get that. I personally just prefer a thumb safety. One of my Sprinfields has the thumb safety and the other has the grip. 

Understandable

I have the full size 320 with the full five inch barrel. It's not only gorgeous to look at but amazing to shoot. The trigger is almost too good for me as I have been shooting guns with crappy triggers for decades. If you have concerns about the firing pins, ask your local dealer about it. See if they have already sent theirs back to have it fixed, or if they have ones in stock (or can they order them) that have the issue fixed. 

Oh, and if it costs to rend another kind of round, go to a different shooting range. I've never heard of that. All the ranges around me charge $10 extra to use whatever is on the wall. I went in one time and fired probably 6 different guns.  All I'm saying is that this is a big decision. Both in terms of cost and the ability to defend yourself and others. That day I went in and shot six and maybe even seven different guns, I didn't buy any of them. I waited until I found the exact right weapon for what I needed.

Take your time and do lots of sampling. And never buy a gun you haven't fired. I bought a Kahr PM9 without firing it. It was the exact size of what I needed in the caliber I thought I wanted. Took it to the range and it shot like hell. Felt like I was getting thumped with a hammer with every round. It is a poorly designed gun that transfers too much of the recoil to the hand and I found that out the hard way. I sold it within 6 months of buying. You don't want a gun that you hate practicing with. 

The range I went to charged a fee by the caliber. Now if they had 20 9MM on the wall I could try all of them, but if I wanted to try a 380 it would be another charge.

I will see if there are other ranges that aren't too far away and see their policy.

I agree that it is important to get it right which is why i'd like to go at least 1 more time.

I know i'm shooting the Glock 43 and Springfield XDs again, but will add the Sig and if there is a smaller Walther than the 1 I held will give that a go too.

Thanks again.

 

[TheFanatic]

Understandable

The range I went to charged a fee by the caliber. Now if they had 20 9MM on the wall I could try all of them, but if I wanted to try a 380 it would be another charge.

I will see if there are other ranges that aren't too far away and see their policy.

I agree that it is important to get it right which is why i'd like to go at least 1 more time.

I know i'm shooting the Glock 43 and Springfield XDs again, but will add the Sig and if there is a smaller Walther than the 1 I held will give that a go too.

Thanks again.

If you shoot the Sig 365 let me know how it does. I want to try that one. 

 

[steelerfan1]

If you shoot the Sig 365 let me know how it does. I want to try that one. 

They did not have 1 available Fanatic. The other range in my area has the same policy, renting per the caliber. Again, if they have 20  9MM on the wall you can try all 20, but additional charge per other caliber. 

 

[steelerfan1]

Shot at the range for the second time yesterday.

So, my self assessment....I am not a very good shot...

My first trip to the range was the getting feet wet. Had target at 5 yards.

Yesterday I put target at the 7 yard mark.

There was nothing close to what someone would classify as a grouping. Of the 100 rounds fired, all but 4 rounds landed on 7 or better (I was trying for some head shots and missed 3 and blew 1 low right.) The other were within at least the 7 range and better, but not really grouped.

I also notice that I have an unsteady hand. It seems that I am unable (at this time anyway) to hold the gun completely still. There is a small shaking for some reason.

I don't think I can contribute it to the weight of the gun or the anticipation of the recoil either. For example: I was doing it even when holding an empty Glock 43 and dry firing it.

I don't think it's a strength issue either. I know I'm not the strongest person in the World, but don't believe I'm the weakest either....

Does anyone else deal with the shaking issue?

The guns I fired yesterday:

Glock 43- I really wanted to liked this 1. Turns out I know 3 Glock Armorers and could get a decent deal on 1 as well. I could not get comfortable gripping it and it bucked the worst out of all of them for me. Not crazy mind you, but it was there.

Walther PPS M2-  @TheFanatic  This was not the original Walther that I had held that I talked about, so glad you mentioned it and made me look for it. I'm not sure why, but I shot the Glock 43 better than this. This felt very comfortable, but I  just didn't shoot it too good.

Springfield XDs Model 2- Felt real comfortable. Liked it.

Springfield Xds- This, along with the Glock 43 were 2 of the guns I had tried the first time I shot as well (S&W MP Shield was the other. Didn't like it). Once again, this was the gun that I felt most comfortable with and shot the best (Which isn't saying much)

I wanted to try the Sig P365, but they did not have 1 available to rent.

Due to my mild hand shaking, I am planning to go try the Glock 19, Sig P320, Walther PPQ and Springfield XDM Compact.

These guns are all a tad bigger that what I have tried, but I'm curious if the bit of added length will allow me to get a better grouping. If I can indeed shoot these better, then the question will be is concealing them a on a regular basis a real option.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Shot at the range for the second time yesterday.

So, my self assessment....I am not a very good shot...

My first trip to the range was the getting feet wet. Had target at 5 yards.

Yesterday I put target at the 7 yard mark.

There was nothing close to what someone would classify as a grouping. Of the 100 rounds fired, all but 4 rounds landed on 7 or better (I was trying for some head shots and missed 3 and blew 1 low right.) The other were within at least the 7 range and better, but not really grouped.

I also notice that I have an unsteady hand. It seems that I am unable (at this time anyway) to hold the gun completely still. There is a small shaking for some reason.

I don't think I can contribute it to the weight of the gun or the anticipation of the recoil either. For example: I was doing it even when holding an empty Glock 43 and dry firing it.

I don't think it's a strength issue either. I know I'm not the strongest person in the World, but don't believe I'm the weakest either....

Does anyone else deal with the shaking issue?

My thought is that much of the problems you noted would be mitigated by formal training and lots of practice.

These guns are all a tad bigger that what I have tried, but I'm curious if the bit of added length will allow me to get a better grouping. If I can indeed shoot these better, then the question will be is concealing them a on a regular basis a real option.

Concealing a full-size handgun is possible.  I carried a full-size M&P for many years.  I found it marginally more uncomfortable and somewhat harder to conceal than my Shield.

 

[UncleZen]

Shot at the range for the second time yesterday.

So, my self assessment....I am not a very good shot...

My first trip to the range was the getting feet wet. Had target at 5 yards.

Yesterday I put target at the 7 yard mark.

There was nothing close to what someone would classify as a grouping. Of the 100 rounds fired, all but 4 rounds landed on 7 or better (I was trying for some head shots and missed 3 and blew 1 low right.) The other were within at least the 7 range and better, but not really grouped.

I also notice that I have an unsteady hand. It seems that I am unable (at this time anyway) to hold the gun completely still. There is a small shaking for some reason.

I don't think I can contribute it to the weight of the gun or the anticipation of the recoil either. For example: I was doing it even when holding an empty Glock 43 and dry firing it.

I don't think it's a strength issue either. I know I'm not the strongest person in the World, but don't believe I'm the weakest either....

Does anyone else deal with the shaking issue?

The guns I fired yesterday:

Glock 43- I really wanted to liked this 1. Turns out I know 3 Glock Armorers and could get a decent deal on 1 as well. I could not get comfortable gripping it and it bucked the worst out of all of them for me. Not crazy mind you, but it was there.

Walther PPS M2-  @TheFanatic  This was not the original Walther that I had held that I talked about, so glad you mentioned it and made me look for it. I'm not sure why, but I shot the Glock 43 better than this. This felt very comfortable, but I  just didn't shoot it too good.

Springfield XDs Model 2- Felt real comfortable. Liked it.

Springfield Xds- This, along with the Glock 43 were 2 of the guns I had tried the first time I shot as well (S&W MP Shield was the other. Didn't like it). Once again, this was the gun that I felt most comfortable with and shot the best (Which isn't saying much)

I wanted to try the Sig P365, but they did not have 1 available to rent.

Due to my mild hand shaking, I am planning to go try the Glock 19, Sig P320, Walther PPQ and Springfield XDM Compact.

These guns are all a tad bigger that what I have tried, but I'm curious if the bit of added length will allow me to get a better grouping. If I can indeed shoot these better, then the question will be is concealing them a on a regular basis a real option.

The unsteady hand will get better with more shooting experience. You're new, nervous and it's expected. Try taking a deep breath and completely exhaling before pulling the trigger. Also, there are charts available that will analyze your groupings and help determine what you are doing wrong, such as anticipating the recoil or too much trigger finger. The range I shoot at has a target with this included but it's also all over the internet.

 

[UncleZen]

Also, the longer barrel guns are easier to group but they are harder and more uncomfortable to conceal. It can be done though but will probably end up with you getting  a new wardrobe.

 

[Fan of Charles McCoy]

9mm is a fun and inexpensive round for target practice. I would add a classic Beretta 92FS to your rentals.  Its heavier and bigger than the guns on your list and is great for target shooting. For some real fun, grab a 9mm carbine.

Seconded. I used an M9 extensively in my younger days and just love, love, love Bererra. My carry gun is a Beretta PX4 Storm Compact (the middle size of 3 sizes). The rotating barrel really reduces the recoil and helps with grouping immensely for me. It’s a little larger than most concealed weapons as it has a full double stack magazine. I’m a thin guy so I just carry it at 1:00 in waistband.

 

[pollardsvision]

Dumb question, I'm sure, but really why bother with concealing in most cases? For most people, they shoot better with a larger gun. So, concealing means a lot of extra paper work, and often, clothing, to holster a gun you don't shoot as well. 

Maybe dumb, but why not just strap a good gun on your belt and be done with it? It seems like any tactical advantage of concealed vs. open would be miniscule, at best, and open could actually prevent an encounter before it even starts.

Novice, but genuinely curious gun person asking.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Dumb question, I'm sure, but really why bother with concealing in most cases? For most people, they shoot better with a larger gun. So, concealing means a lot of extra paper work, and often, clothing, to holster a gun you don't shoot as well. 

Maybe dumb, but why not just strap a good gun on your belt and be done with it? It seems like any tactical advantage of concealed vs. open would be miniscule, at best, and open could actually prevent an encounter before it even starts.

Novice, but genuinely curious gun person asking.

It's a legitimate question and not dumb in the least.

I think this does a decent job discussing the topic.

 

[UncleZen]

Dumb question, I'm sure, but really why bother with concealing in most cases? For most people, they shoot better with a larger gun. So, concealing means a lot of extra paper work, and often, clothing, to holster a gun you don't shoot as well. 

Maybe dumb, but why not just strap a good gun on your belt and be done with it? It seems like any tactical advantage of concealed vs. open would be miniscule, at best, and open could actually prevent an encounter before it even starts.

Novice, but genuinely curious gun person asking.

1. Open carry is illegal in a lot of states, such as here in Florida.

2. I don't want the bad guys to know I have a gun. It would make me the 1st target in a situation.

 

[TheFanatic]

Shot at the range for the second time yesterday.

So, my self assessment....I am not a very good shot...

My first trip to the range was the getting feet wet. Had target at 5 yards.

Yesterday I put target at the 7 yard mark.

There was nothing close to what someone would classify as a grouping. Of the 100 rounds fired, all but 4 rounds landed on 7 or better (I was trying for some head shots and missed 3 and blew 1 low right.) The other were within at least the 7 range and better, but not really grouped.

I also notice that I have an unsteady hand. It seems that I am unable (at this time anyway) to hold the gun completely still. There is a small shaking for some reason.

I don't think I can contribute it to the weight of the gun or the anticipation of the recoil either. For example: I was doing it even when holding an empty Glock 43 and dry firing it.

I don't think it's a strength issue either. I know I'm not the strongest person in the World, but don't believe I'm the weakest either....

Does anyone else deal with the shaking issue?

The guns I fired yesterday:

Glock 43- I really wanted to liked this 1. Turns out I know 3 Glock Armorers and could get a decent deal on 1 as well. I could not get comfortable gripping it and it bucked the worst out of all of them for me. Not crazy mind you, but it was there.

Walther PPS M2-  @TheFanatic  This was not the original Walther that I had held that I talked about, so glad you mentioned it and made me look for it. I'm not sure why, but I shot the Glock 43 better than this. This felt very comfortable, but I  just didn't shoot it too good.

Springfield XDs Model 2- Felt real comfortable. Liked it.

Springfield Xds- This, along with the Glock 43 were 2 of the guns I had tried the first time I shot as well (S&W MP Shield was the other. Didn't like it). Once again, this was the gun that I felt most comfortable with and shot the best (Which isn't saying much)

I wanted to try the Sig P365, but they did not have 1 available to rent.

Due to my mild hand shaking, I am planning to go try the Glock 19, Sig P320, Walther PPQ and Springfield XDM Compact.

These guns are all a tad bigger that what I have tried, but I'm curious if the bit of added length will allow me to get a better grouping. If I can indeed shoot these better, then the question will be is concealing them a on a regular basis a real option.

I bought a used Springfield XD9 that was a bit tattered on the outside, but perfect in the inside and about 2 weeks later bought a pristine Sig 320 full size long barrel. I shoot the XD9 way better despite the trigger being so much better on the Sig and it being a longer barrel. 

And as said before, it takes time. There is a natural nervousness when you first start shooting. That is an extremely deadly weapon you are firing that slaps at your hand while assaulting your ears (even with ear muffs) and your nostrils. Get some practice and training and soon enough you will notice your first mag is a mess, but it's all good from there and eventually that first mag will be grouped as well. It takes some time. 

 

[TheFanatic]

1. Open carry is illegal in a lot of states, such as here in Florida.

2. I don't want the bad guys to know I have a gun. It would make me the 1st target in a situation.

These as well for me in Missouri. And yes, it could end a confrontation before it starts. For you with the open conceal. If some madman wants to do mass murder, sees your gun on your hip. He's shooting you in the back first. Skirmish over for you before you knew it would start. Now if every single man and woman open carried, that's a different story and a much more polite society. 

 

[Fan of Charles McCoy]

We have open carry in MN as well. I’ve heard anecdotals of people calling the cops not knowing it’s an open carry state, thinking someone is a madman. Not worth the hassle, and frankly a little wierd to be strolling around like a cowboy or some ####.

 

[TheFanatic]

We have open carry in MN as well. I’ve heard anecdotals of people calling the cops not knowing it’s an open carry state, thinking someone is a madman. Not worth the hassle, and frankly a little wierd to be strolling around like a cowboy or some ####.

This too. Could you imagine walking around on a warm day along a street that has outdoor dining and all the looks. I saw this once in Kentucky. Guy walking along with a pistol clipped to the outside of a pair of sweat pants shorts. The crappy revolver was bouncing all over the place as he walked. It would've been much safer had it clipped it on the inside but I guess he wanted the world to know he had a gun. He didn't have a full set of teeth, but he indeed had a gun. Nobody seemed bothered by it. Did I mention it was inside a Wal Mart super center?

 

[Mad Cow]

Current handguns are Walther P99 and PPS, Beretta 92FS and a Springfield XD Mod 2.  Really like what I see with the Springfield EMP 4 and might have to make that a CC handgun vs the PPS.  Need to get my hands on one to see how it handles.

 

[Ron Swanson]

1. Open carry is illegal in a lot of states, such as here in Florida.

2. I don't want the bad guys to know I have a gun. It would make me the 1st target in a situation.

Actually, open carry is legal in FL if you are fishing, camping, hunting or "on the way" to one of these activities. Only the real nutjobs or 1% bikers tend to exercise this right.

 

[hooter311]

This too. Could you imagine walking around on a warm day along a street that has outdoor dining and all the looks. I saw this once in Kentucky. Guy walking along with a pistol clipped to the outside of a pair of sweat pants shorts. The crappy revolver was bouncing all over the place as he walked. It would've been much safer had it clipped it on the inside but I guess he wanted the world to know he had a gun. He didn't have a full set of teeth, but he indeed had a gun. Nobody seemed bothered by it. Did I mention it was inside a Wal Mart super center?

You haven't lived till you've waited in a checkout line behind a dude shouldering an AR.

Big fan of the ppq and don't mind appendix carrying it on the regular in a vedder holster.

Really like pulling out my Steyr l9-a1 at the range but I've never looked very hard for a decent holster for it.

If I only had one, it would have to be my ksg 12 guage.

 

[Jobber]

My only problem with the Glock is no thumb safety. I prefer a safety other than just on the trigger. Otherwise, fantastic weapons. 

I want a 12ga. I inherited two shotguns over the years, a 16 and 20 double barrel. I need a 12 dammit! Thinking an 870 (shot this a lot years ago) or Mossberg. Though a pistol grip has the cool factor, I know it’s not practical...maybe a folding stock is the best of both worlds? 

 

[TheFanatic]

I want a 12ga. I inherited two shotguns over the years, a 16 and 20 double barrel. I need a 12 dammit! Thinking an 870 (shot this a lot years ago) or Mossberg. Though a pistol grip has the cool factor, I know it’s not practical...maybe a folding stock is the best of both worlds? 

I have the Mossberg 500 Defender. It comes with a pistol grip and a regular shoulder stock. I had the pistol grip on it because of the cool factor. I put the shoulder stock back on. It's not very pleasant to shoot with any sort of heavy load in it without bracing it against the shoulder. Been meaning to buy a shoulder stock with the pistol grip as well. Tactical stock if you will. I've just never pulled the trigger on the new stock.

As far as being practical, it's extremely practical for home defense. With only an 18 inch barrel, it's about the same distance out in front of your body as a pistol is gripped in both hands, arms extended. I bought a pistol in the late 90's (S&W 5906) but didn't buy anything else until I bought the Mossberg a few years ago. If I had to have just three guns. One would be an uber reliable 9mm, a Ruger .22 take down with a scope, and a 12 gauge. I own a Mossberg but don't really know if there is much difference between that and the 870. I actually think the 870 looks cooler. 

 

[opensourcebeer]

I want a 12ga. I inherited two shotguns over the years, a 16 and 20 double barrel. I need a 12 dammit! Thinking an 870 (shot this a lot years ago) or Mossberg. Though a pistol grip has the cool factor, I know it’s not practical...maybe a folding stock is the best of both worlds? 

What's the intended useage for the 12 gauge you want to acquire...home defense, skeet/trap, hunting, or all of the above?

 

[Jobber]

What's the intended useage for the 12 gauge you want to acquire...home defense, skeet/trap, hunting, or all of the above?

Home defense.

 

[hooter311]

Home defense.

I wouldn't overthink then, Mossberg 500 or Remington 870.  They make tons of different versions of each, so find one that suits your taste.

No need for any fancy attachments or lasers.  Chambering a 12 guage shell should defuse 95% of dangerous situations, otherwise just point the bead at center mass.

Then get some 2 3/4" 00 buckshot and get some practice getting used to the kick.

 

[hooter311]

I want a 12ga. I inherited two shotguns over the years, a 16 and 20 double barrel. I need a 12 dammit! Thinking an 870 (shot this a lot years ago) or Mossberg. Though a pistol grip has the cool factor, I know it’s not practical...maybe a folding stock is the best of both worlds? 

Nah.  If you want something short, spend the money and go with a ksg bullpup which you can shoulder and it's still only 26 1/2" long.

A pistol grip short 12 guage is only cool for looking at, imo.

My ksg is a beast.  26" long and holds 14 2 3/4" shells.  I put flip up ar sights on it and and after market guard on it to protect my wrist from the ejected shells.

 

[hooter311]

This. Critical defense is my daily carry defense round in my Glock 26. I have zero issue landing 3 rapid-succession double-taps in center mass at 8 meters.

Great round for subcompact polyframes.

I use Hornady critical defense for daily carry as well.  

 

[hooter311]

My only problem with the Glock is no thumb safety. I prefer a safety other than just on the trigger. Otherwise, fantastic weapons. 

Unless you like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, I really don't understand the purpose of a thumb safety.

I feel like it's a lot safer to just carry the weapon unchambered instead.  

If the safety mechanisms are high on your priority list I would lean towards the Springfields with the grip safeties, those make a lot more sense to me.

 

[hooter311]

Shot at the range for the second time yesterday.

So, my self assessment....I am not a very good shot...

My first trip to the range was the getting feet wet. Had target at 5 yards.

Yesterday I put target at the 7 yard mark.

There was nothing close to what someone would classify as a grouping. Of the 100 rounds fired, all but 4 rounds landed on 7 or better (I was trying for some head shots and missed 3 and blew 1 low right.) The other were within at least the 7 range and better, but not really grouped.

I also notice that I have an unsteady hand. It seems that I am unable (at this time anyway) to hold the gun completely still. There is a small shaking for some reason.

I don't think I can contribute it to the weight of the gun or the anticipation of the recoil either. For example: I was doing it even when holding an empty Glock 43 and dry firing it.

I don't think it's a strength issue either. I know I'm not the strongest person in the World, but don't believe I'm the weakest either....

Does anyone else deal with the shaking issue?

The guns I fired yesterday:

Glock 43- I really wanted to liked this 1. Turns out I know 3 Glock Armorers and could get a decent deal on 1 as well. I could not get comfortable gripping it and it bucked the worst out of all of them for me. Not crazy mind you, but it was there.

Walther PPS M2-  @TheFanatic  This was not the original Walther that I had held that I talked about, so glad you mentioned it and made me look for it. I'm not sure why, but I shot the Glock 43 better than this. This felt very comfortable, but I  just didn't shoot it too good.

Springfield XDs Model 2- Felt real comfortable. Liked it.

Springfield Xds- This, along with the Glock 43 were 2 of the guns I had tried the first time I shot as well (S&W MP Shield was the other. Didn't like it). Once again, this was the gun that I felt most comfortable with and shot the best (Which isn't saying much)

I wanted to try the Sig P365, but they did not have 1 available to rent.

Due to my mild hand shaking, I am planning to go try the Glock 19, Sig P320, Walther PPQ and Springfield XDM Compact.

These guns are all a tad bigger that what I have tried, but I'm curious if the bit of added length will allow me to get a better grouping. If I can indeed shoot these better, then the question will be is concealing them a on a regular basis a real option.

P320 are double action only so the triggers take a little more getting used to.  

I'd shoot them in this order for comparison...p320, xdm, glock 19, and ppq last.  

The stock trigger system on the ppq is really something special.

ETA: after reading about your first trip to the range, maybe you'd enjoy a smaller gun with a little more bulk for steadiness.  Glock 26 or sig p320 subcompact come to mind.  

 

[Jobber]

Unless you like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, I really don't understand the purpose of a thumb safety.

I feel like it's a lot safer to just carry the weapon unchambered instead.  

If the safety mechanisms are high on your priority list I would lean towards the Springfields with the grip safeties, those make a lot more sense to me.

I’m with Fanatic here regarding thumb safeties. If you are carrying, you don’t want to have to chamber a round after you draw. So you must have a round chambered, IMO.

For grip safeties I’m not sure about because sometimes in the moment you may have to shoot weak hand, cross body draw, etc. Admittedly, I’ve not shot that type of weapon before.

 

[TheFanatic]

Unless you like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, I really don't understand the purpose of a thumb safety.

I feel like it's a lot safer to just carry the weapon unchambered instead.  

If the safety mechanisms are high on your priority list I would lean towards the Springfields with the grip safeties, those make a lot more sense to me.

I've got two of them. XD9 and a 45. 

I carry the 42 without one in the chamber. The key is practicing drawing the weapon and as the gun is extended toward the target, chambering a round with the off hand. Basically push the top of the gun through the off hand, ratcheting the slide back in the process and dropping the offhand down after the round is chamber to steady the pistol

 

[Fishboy]

I picked up a Taurus G2C 9mm about a month ago. 

If you are looking for a sub $200 conceal gun, I can't recommend this one any higher.  I have less than 100 rounds though it, but for price/size, weight, accuracy it can't be beat. 

Comes 12+1 w/ 2 clips

Here's a quick review video:  Taurus G2C 9mm

 

[hooter311]

Sorry to keep hippling this thread, but it seems to have triggered my virus...

I bought my first handgun about 5 years ago.  I was out in the middle of nowhere, wi at an insurance appointment.  The gentlemen ran a FFL out of his shed and three sign on the door reads "if your hear for my guns, one of us is going to die today." . I know I'm in for a treat.

Guy ends up being awesome and appointment goes well. I'm about 5 minutes out of there when I decide "I'm going to get a gun today" and circle back.  I barely have cell service and had put zero thought into what I was doing, I didn't even know I was headed to a gun shop.

So I Google "best hand gun gun for grizzly bear", click the first suggestion and write down #1 on the list.  Walk in, order it and a few days later i pick up my Smith and Wesson model 629 .44 magnum 5" revolver.  Dirty Harry's gun but with a synthetic black stock.  For ammunition I request "give me something that will give me my best shot against a grizzly". And came home with some 300 grain hornady xtp.

Now would also be a good time to mention that I don't live in a state where grizzly bears exist, I've never encountered a grizzly and don't plan on being in too many situations ever where I would.

I mention the 300 grain ammunition because it was just a bit of overkill for the range.  First time there and Im trying to pretend to know what I'm doing so I just send target out 15 yards, aimed at the head and let off all 6 rounds in double action.

First one was decent enough but 2 of the other 4 got the target in the belly button and the other 2 didn't even hit paper.  Lol.  Talk about being over confident and underskilled.  

Since then disease of gun ownership has riddled most of my body.  I actually researched and got into the topic.  Every time I bought one, there was always another one for me to oogle over.

Moral of the story is, don't worry too much about what you buy as a first time owner, you'll end up with more soon enough.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Sorry to keep hippling this thread, but it seems to have triggered my virus...

I bought my first handgun about 5 years ago.  I was out in the middle of nowhere, wi at an insurance appointment.  The gentlemen ran a FFL out of his shed and three sign on the door reads "if your hear for my guns, one of us is going to die today." . I know I'm in for a treat.

Guy ends up being awesome and appointment goes well. I'm about 5 minutes out of there when I decide "I'm going to get a gun today" and circle back.  I barely have cell service and had put zero thought into what I was doing, I didn't even know I was headed to a gun shop.

So I Google "best hand gun gun for grizzly bear", click the first suggestion and write down #1 on the list.  Walk in, order it and a few days later i pick up my Smith and Wesson model 629 .44 magnum 5" revolver.  Dirty Harry's gun but with a synthetic black stock.  For ammunition I request "give me something that will give me my best shot against a grizzly". And came home with some 300 grain hornady xtp.

Now would also be a good time to mention that I don't live in a state where grizzly bears exist, I've never encountered a grizzly and don't plan on being in too many situations ever where I would.

I mention the 300 grain ammunition because it was just a bit of overkill for the range.  First time there and Im trying to pretend to know what I'm doing so I just send target out 15 yards, aimed at the head and let off all 6 rounds in double action.

First one was decent enough but 2 of the other 4 got the target in the belly button and the other 2 didn't even hit paper.  Lol.  Talk about being over confident and underskilled.  

Since then disease of gun ownership has riddled most of my body.  I actually researched and got into the topic.  Every time I bought one, there was always another one for me to oogle over.

Moral of the story is, don't worry too much about what you buy as a first time owner, you'll end up with more soon enough.

Is "Grizzly" a euphemism for "Wallaby"?

 

[UncleZen]

I picked up a Taurus G2C 9mm about a month ago. 

If you are looking for a sub $200 conceal gun, I can't recommend this one any higher.  I have less than 100 rounds though it, but for price/size, weight, accuracy it can't be beat. 

Comes 12+1 w/ 2 clips

Here's a quick review video:  Taurus G2C 9mm

The gun snobs will make fun of you for this but I have one of these and it's a great gun. I have put over 1000 rounds through mine with zero issues.

 

[hooter311]

Is "Grizzly" a euphemism for "Wallaby"?

.22lr cci 36 grain mini-mag would drop a wallaby.  

#justplayingToby

#missubuddy!

 

[UncleZen]

I don't understand why anyone would conceal carry without a round chambered. I carry my shield, with no safety, chambered and ready to fire, all while pointed at my junk all day. Just make sure you have a good holster to protect the trigger.

 

[hooter311]

I don't understand why anyone would conceal carry without a round chambered. I carry my shield, with no safety, chambered and ready to fire, all while pointed at my junk all day. Just make sure you have a good holster to protect the trigger.

No amount of safety mechanisms or holster material is going to make me comfortable with a chambered round pointed at my junk carrying with an appendix holster.

I'm sure it adds seconds to my draw speed and in theory I'm foolish.  But in practice I would argue that way more tragic things due to Accidents/human error are likely than for me to lose a gun fight by 4 seconds.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Home defense.

Functionally there's very little difference between the 870 and 500.  Both are good and reliable guns.  The 870 has a push button safety behind the trigger and the 500 has a safety operated by your thumb above your grip.  I grew up with a 500 and vastly prefer the safety type on the 500.  Its a personal preference thing, so check out both and see what works best for you.

Use of a 18.5" barrel and buckshot is a given.  I would encourage you to get a pistol grip with a stock.  It'll allow better one-handed control of the gun, which in my opinion, is important in a home defense situation.  For instance, using a free hand to operate a phone, light switch, door knob/lock, carry a small child, etc.  I'd also encourage you to get a quality weapon light to attach to the shotgun. 

I don't understand why anyone would conceal carry without a round chambered. I carry my shield, with no safety, chambered and ready to fire, all while pointed at my junk all day. Just make sure you have a good holster to protect the trigger.

Completely agree with UZ on this. 

No amount of safety mechanisms or holster material is going to make me comfortable with a chambered round pointed at my junk carrying with an appendix holster.

I'm sure it adds seconds to my draw speed and in theory I'm foolish.  But in practice I would argue that way more tragic things due to Accidents/human error are likely than for me to lose a gun fight by 4 seconds.

In my opinion, conceal carrying a handgun without a round chambered is inherently problematic.  You've immediately put yourself at a disadvantage if you need to use the handgun since an extra step is needed to bring the handgun to a ready state.  This introduces the possibility that mechanical and/or physical things can go wrong when executing this extra step.  The saying is that a majority of gunfights are over in three seconds or less, occur at three yards or less, and involve three shots or less.  You're behind the curve if your extra step takes any additional time to successfully complete.

 

[Fishboy]

The gun snobs will make fun of you for this but I have one of these and it's a great gun. I have put over 1000 rounds through mine with zero issues.

I was just as skeptical. But like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 in the shotgun class, this is a basic 9mm that while not perfect offers great value for the $$ spent. 

I was quite impressed and basically spent less than a night out drinking. 

 

[steelerfan1]

My thought is that much of the problems you noted would be mitigated by formal training and lots of practice.

Concealing a full-size handgun is possible.  I carried a full-size M&P for many years.  I found it marginally more uncomfortable and somewhat harder to conceal than my Shield.

I hope you are correct opensource...after speaking with some of my gun friends i believe i had some of my issues already pointed out to me and will look to see if i do notice improvement when i go to range this week.

i hope i do as the larger guns i mentioned prior that i am shooting this week are a bit bigger that i'd like to tote around all day...

 

[steelerfan1]

The unsteady hand will get better with more shooting experience. You're new, nervous and it's expected. Try taking a deep breath and completely exhaling before pulling the trigger. Also, there are charts available that will analyze your groupings and help determine what you are doing wrong, such as anticipating the recoil or too much trigger finger. The range I shoot at has a target with this included but it's also all over the internet.

also hoping some tutoring and practice can get me there UZ. I already noticed after my 2nd time at the range i was able to feel when the trigger reset therefore wasn't letting it return all the way back like the first day i went. I hadn't even noticed the reset the first time.

do have a gun friend a couple years younger than me, but he stated the shaking thing is something he developed a bit when he got older and it just may be something i will need to work with...

 

[steelerfan1]

I bought a used Springfield XD9 that was a bit tattered on the outside, but perfect in the inside and about 2 weeks later bought a pristine Sig 320 full size long barrel. I shoot the XD9 way better despite the trigger being so much better on the Sig and it being a longer barrel. 

And as said before, it takes time. There is a natural nervousness when you first start shooting. That is an extremely deadly weapon you are firing that slaps at your hand while assaulting your ears (even with ear muffs) and your nostrils. Get some practice and training and soon enough you will notice your first mag is a mess, but it's all good from there and eventually that first mag will be grouped as well. It takes some time. 

really hope all of you guys are right here

 

[steelerfan1]

P320 are double action only so the triggers take a little more getting used to.  

I'd shoot them in this order for comparison...p320, xdm, glock 19, and ppq last.  

The stock trigger system on the ppq is really something special.

ETA: after reading about your first trip to the range, maybe you'd enjoy a smaller gun with a little more bulk for steadiness.  Glock 26 or sig p320 subcompact come to mind.  

thanks hooter. i saw icon mention the 26 earlier but thought it was basically the 42, but will add this 1 to the rental friday.

 

[hooter311]

thanks hooter. i saw icon mention the 26 earlier but thought it was basically the 42, but will add this 1 to the rental friday.

The 26 is a double stack instead of a single stack like so it's a little bit thicker to grip and heavier in your hand.

Affectionately known as the "baby glock".

 

[TheFanatic]

really hope all of you guys are right here

When I first started shooting, we had this steel bullet trap anchored in the ground on my uncle's property. The 3 foot by 3 foot hole into the trap was a couple inches off the ground. The target was right in the middle of the hole into the trap. They called me farmer Brown for all the plowing of the dirt I did in front of the trap. I was super low with nearly every shot. The S&W I was firing had a ton of give in the trigger before it would fire and so as I pulled the trigger I would angle my shot down before it would finally discharge. Once I learned to subconsciously pull through the give and pause at the break in the trigger and then aim, I was fine. But for a while there, all I did was shoot some worms. Now my problem is, I'm so used to crappy triggers that I shoot better with them and a good trigger is somewhat lost on me. 

 

[TheFanatic]

The 26 is a double stack instead of a single stack like so it's a little bit thicker to grip and heavier in your hand.

Affectionately known as the "baby glock".

Does that make the 42 the infant Glock? Or the newborn Glock?

 

[jwb]

I don't understand why anyone would conceal carry without a round chambered. I carry my shield, with no safety, chambered and ready to fire, all while pointed at my junk all day. Just make sure you have a good holster to protect the trigger.

No amount of safety mechanisms or holster material is going to make me comfortable with a chambered round pointed at my junk carrying with an appendix holster.

I'm sure it adds seconds to my draw speed and in theory I'm foolish.  But in practice I would argue that way more tragic things due to Accidents/human error are likely than for me to lose a gun fight by 4 seconds.

I'll chime in here because I carry unchambered. My carry 380 has no safety, so racking it is my safety.

I don't carry to win a quick draw gunfight. If I'm confronted and get mugged, they can have my wallet. And if the one-in-a-million situation happens where I needed to quick draw or die, well, I lose. Simple as that.

I carry for the far more likely situation that I see unfolding. The sudden gunshots in the mall / restaurant, the gang of 20-somethings intent on harming others, etc. My gun is to get me and my wife home safely in the event of an emergency. 

I really feel if you are always ready for that one on one quick draw, you're far more likely to shoot when it wasn't necessary. Just my .02 and what I feel comfortable with (note: I do keep 2 revolvers at home fully loaded.)

 

[hooter311]

I'll chime in here because I carry unchambered. My carry 380 has no safety, so racking it is my safety.

I don't carry to win a quick draw gunfight. If I'm confronted and get mugged, they can have my wallet. And if the one-in-a-million situation happens where I needed to quick draw or die, well, I lose. Simple as that.

I carry for the far more likely situation that I see unfolding. The sudden gunshots in the mall / restaurant, the gang of 20-somethings intent on harming others, etc. My gun is to get me and my wife home safely in the event of an emergency. 

I really feel if you are always ready for that one on one quick draw, you're far more likely to shoot when it wasn't necessary. Just my .02 and what I feel comfortable with (note: I do keep 2 revolvers at home fully loaded.)

This is how I feel.  I don't want to be a hero, but it's pretty important to me to not feel helpless.  

 

[jwb]

In my opinion, conceal carrying a handgun without a round chambered is inherently problematic.  You've immediately put yourself at a disadvantage if you need to use the handgun since an extra step is needed to bring the handgun to a ready state.  This introduces the possibility that mechanical and/or physical things can go wrong when executing this extra step.  The saying is that a majority of gunfights are over in three seconds or less, occur at three yards or less, and involve three shots or less.  You're behind the curve if your extra step takes any additional time to successfully complete.

I do not doubt this in a criminal vs criminal, or a cop vs criminal context.

However, in a criminal vs legal carrying private citizen, I'm wondering if this is really the case. I have such a hard time imagining the situation where you need that absolute split second shot in the mall. I do realize it takes only once, but I would wager an accident (either self-inflicted, or shooting someone who did not justify the use of deadly force) is far more likely.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'll chime in here because I carry unchambered. My carry 380 has no safety, so racking it is my safety.

I don't carry to win a quick draw gunfight. If I'm confronted and get mugged, they can have my wallet. And if the one-in-a-million situation happens where I needed to quick draw or die, well, I lose. Simple as that.

I carry for the far more likely situation that I see unfolding. The sudden gunshots in the mall / restaurant, the gang of 20-somethings intent on harming others, etc. My gun is to get me and my wife home safely in the event of an emergency. 

I really feel if you are always ready for that one on one quick draw, you're far more likely to shoot when it wasn't necessary. Just my .02 and what I feel comfortable with (note: I do keep 2 revolvers at home fully loaded.)

You summed it up perfectly, my friend. Take the money. Take the car. Take whatever physical thing that is not one of my loved ones. My gun is not for me to win a gun battle. My gun is to get me (or someone I love) home.  That's all. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Finally getting around to switching handguns from the ridiculous cannon I've had since my early 20s.

I'm going with a Ruger GP100, 4.2" barrel, full lug .357 revolver. Tested one out at a range yesterday for the heck of it, and it's definitely what I want.  Highly recommend.