If your league doesn't like to trade... (1 Viewer)

[Johnny Ryall]

I'm in a 10 team re-draft with some guys from a previous job. In general, they're a knowledgable group. They do their homework and make solid draft choices.

The only problem is they don't like to trade. We have less than 5 deals completed a year. Attempts to open trade discussions are usually met with responses such as "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted - I picked them for a reason", or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)". Not sure why "trade" = "dump" but whatever.

So, if you find yourself in a similar situation does that affect how you draft? In our last couple of drafts, the value play in the 5th or 6th rounds has been to take my 3rd RB (we start 2) rather than grabbing another starting WR (we start 3), or filling my TE or QB spot.

But does having a top 20 RB riding your bench really provide 'value'? In season I can't utilize the depth to shore up areas of need, so the player is really only of any use on bye weeks and in case of injury to one of my starters.

This year, if I see a similar situation during the draft I'm considering passing on the RB and building a stronger starting lineup. The issue for me is that feels like it flies in the face of drafting for value.

What do you think?

 

[stevegamer]

You really have trouble if you stockpile players at one spot. More than starters +1 is asking for trouble before you've gotten the core taken care of - it's hard to trade depth.

 

[BLOX]

I am in a league that rarely trades due to people constantly whining over every trade that has ever happened. No matter who is in the deal, half the league gets up in arms because one owner lost the deal and another won the deal.

Another factor is that the Commish sticks with the draft postions to base the value of the trade. Say, I found a stud in the 7th round, but had already grabbed my WR2 in round 3, I would only be able to trade the round 3 WR for another player drafted in round 3. Otherwise it's giving up way too much.

These guys don't ever take a team's depth into consideration.

Thanks for this thread, I kind of realize now that when drafting with these guys, team depth is overrated.

I might as well leave the draft after I have my starters and one backup at each position, lol.

 

[Dentist]

Both of my leagues will have < 5 trades per season.. often times 2-3.

I cut off my trading before week 10 to avoid collusion as much as possible.

While a situation where you have 3 RB when you start 2 is often favorable in case you have an injury.. if you take this a bit too far you will suffer.

I remember one year where someone thought they were a genius by getting 3 top 10 QB's.

They weren't able to make one trade and their season was blown.

I do think it affects draft strategy.

Drafting for value is important, and VBD is important.. but fielding the most talented starting lineup top to bottom is likely more valuable.

 

[lions327]

I draft the best team I can without considering future trades.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think you're probably not doing everything in your power to facilitate trades.

If you are stopping at "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted" - or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)" then no wonder trades rarely happen in this league. Trades are a sales pitch and in your league - even getting them to the negotiating table might be a sales pitch.

If you'd like some suggestions feel free to PM me.

 

[jwb]

although trades sometimes happen, in my mind, "redraft" and "trading" don't really go together.

 

[Johnny Ryall]

I think you're probably not doing everything in your power to facilitate trades. If you are stopping at "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted" - or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)" then no wonder trades rarely happen in this league. Trades are a sales pitch and in your league - even getting them to the negotiating table might be a sales pitch. If you'd like some suggestions feel free to PM me.

Thanks for the offer. I don't normally stop if (when) I initially get stonewalled, but I left out those details since I was more curious as to how this might affect draft strategy rather than focusing on the non-existant trade market. I'll shoot you a PM tonight. I'll be curious to see how your tactics compare to what I've already tried.

Drafting for value is important, and VBD is important.. but fielding the most talented starting lineup top to bottom is likely more valuable.

This is what I was getting at. I'm starting to lean towards this line of thought the more I think about this topic.

 

[lions327]

I think you're probably not doing everything in your power to facilitate trades. If you are stopping at "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted" - or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)" then no wonder trades rarely happen in this league. Trades are a sales pitch and in your league - even getting them to the negotiating table might be a sales pitch. If you'd like some suggestions feel free to PM me.

If you have suggestions that you believe will help him, why not post them?

 

[SSOG]

I draft the best team I can without considering future trades.

I'm the opposite. I draft BPA and then operate under the assumption that I can trade my depth to shore up areas of weakness in the future. Obviously playing in a league with limiting trading dramatically changes my draft strategy.

although trades sometimes happen, in my mind, "redraft" and "trading" don't really go together.

Disagreed. I play entirely in redraft leagues (just started my first Dynasty this year), and there's always a ton of trading going on. By the end of the year, usually 50+% of most teams are players that were not drafted by that team (there are, of course, exceptions- in one league we had an owner that didn't make a single trade all year). It really just depends on who the other owners are and how good your reputation is. I think I have a reputation as a very fair and honest trader who looks to find win/win trades rather than simply gouging the other guy as badly as possible, and that definitely helps facilitate trades, too.

 

[mozzy84]

I'm in a 10 team re-draft with some guys from a previous job. In general, they're a knowledgable group. They do their homework and make solid draft choices. The only problem is they don't like to trade. We have less than 5 deals completed a year. Attempts to open trade discussions are usually met with responses such as "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted - I picked them for a reason", or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)". Not sure why "trade" = "dump" but whatever.So, if you find yourself in a similar situation does that affect how you draft? In our last couple of drafts, the value play in the 5th or 6th rounds has been to take my 3rd RB (we start 2) rather than grabbing another starting WR (we start 3), or filling my TE or QB spot. But does having a top 20 RB riding your bench really provide 'value'? In season I can't utilize the depth to shore up areas of need, so the player is really only of any use on bye weeks and in case of injury to one of my starters. This year, if I see a similar situation during the draft I'm considering passing on the RB and building a stronger starting lineup. The issue for me is that feels like it flies in the face of drafting for value.What do you think?

the ten team leagues I have been in always seem to have less trading because everyone usually has a pretty decent team not matter how bad they draft. I always just draft the best team I think I can and worry about trades during the season if they are needed.

 

[-OZ-]

although trades sometimes happen, in my mind, "redraft" and "trading" don't really go together.

Disagreed. I play entirely in redraft leagues (just started my first Dynasty this year), and there's always a ton of trading going on. By the end of the year, usually 50+% of most teams are players that were not drafted by that team (there are, of course, exceptions- in one league we had an owner that didn't make a single trade all year). It really just depends on who the other owners are and how good your reputation is. I think I have a reputation as a very fair and honest trader who looks to find win/win trades rather than simply gouging the other guy as badly as possible, and that definitely helps facilitate trades, too.

This must depend on your league, as I totally agree with JWB here. There is a lot more trading in my dynasty leagues than in my redraft. I usually get 3-5 trades per year in my redrafts, but I can easily do that in a week in dynasty leagues.Dynasty leagues are usually easier to trade with because teams have different priorities and therefore, value players differently.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think you're probably not doing everything in your power to facilitate trades. If you are stopping at "I'm sticking with the guys I drafted" - or "I'm not looking to dump (player I'm trying to trade for)" then no wonder trades rarely happen in this league. Trades are a sales pitch and in your league - even getting them to the negotiating table might be a sales pitch. If you'd like some suggestions feel free to PM me.

If you have suggestions that you believe will help him, why not post them?

My suggestions are links and I've gotten in trouble for that b4. So now it's just easier to say shoot me a PM.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It can alter my draft strategy, but then I just usualy reach a conclusion I am going to have to offer a lot more then normal to get the trades done. And I am willing to do that if it means I get the best shot at going for a title. Overpaying isnt somethig you want to do, but if you a damn good drafter/owner it's something that you just learn to deal with.