Illinois man gets fired for wearing Packers tie at work! (1 Viewer)

[Football Critic]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

Not sure if Illinois is an "at will" state, but many states are. If so any employee can basically be fired for any reason, with the exception of discrimitory purposes (race, age, gender, etc.).We don't have all of the information here - and admittedly on its surface it appears bad. Howver, maybe his employer told him this is Chicago and we have a promotion with the Bears so it would be bad for business for you to wear Green Bay gear and John in an act of defiance wore it anway.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

He could, but he wouldn't win, assuming IL is an 'at will' state (I think it is).

 

[DoubleG]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

Not sure if Illinois is an "at will" state, but many states are. If so any employee can basically be fired for any reason, with the exception of discrimitory purposes (race, age, gender, etc.).We don't have all of the information here - and admittedly on its surface it appears bad. Howver, maybe his employer told him this is Chicago and we have a promotion with the Bears so it would be bad for business for you to wear Green Bay gear and John in an act of defiance wore it anway.

:X If the "Bears add campaign" had any exclusivity language in it, the manager may have had to fire him to cover his own assets. Using an NFL team logo, likeness, etc. usually has some legal ramifications.

Again, we simply have way too little information to make any kind of rational judgement...

now, if we could actually see the MRI of the tie though....

 

[Football Critic]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

Not sure if Illinois is an "at will" state, but many states are. If so any employee can basically be fired for any reason, with the exception of discrimitory purposes (race, age, gender, etc.).We don't have all of the information here - and admittedly on its surface it appears bad. Howver, maybe his employer told him this is Chicago and we have a promotion with the Bears so it would be bad for business for you to wear Green Bay gear and John in an act of defiance wore it anway.

Understandable, however, I hear they have a relationship with the Bears flagship station, and also loan FREE cars to the Bears, so it hardly is costing them any paying customers.Its a Tie, lol, common sense has to weigh in here. If a guy gets fired for a Tie supporting his team, we have bigger issues. His dress coad was shirt and tie, so no issues there, and owner said it would have been allowed on Saturday, so.....I fail to understand why he got fired, except for the obvious, a bitter GM of a car dealership.

 

[renesauz]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.

As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.

Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism.

And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

 

[TobiasFunke]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

Not sure if Illinois is an "at will" state, but many states are. If so any employee can basically be fired for any reason, with the exception of discrimitory purposes (race, age, gender, etc.).We don't have all of the information here - and admittedly on its surface it appears bad. Howver, maybe his employer told him this is Chicago and we have a promotion with the Bears so it would be bad for business for you to wear Green Bay gear and John in an act of defiance wore it anway.

Understandable, however, I hear they have a relationship with the Bears flagship station, and also loan FREE cars to the Bears, so it hardly is costing them any paying customers.Its a Tie, lol, common sense has to weigh in here. If a guy gets fired for a Tie supporting his team, we have bigger issues. His dress coad was shirt and tie, so no issues there, and owner said it would have been allowed on Saturday, so.....I fail to understand why he got fired, except for the obvious, a bitter GM of a car dealership.

I would think that if you were in sales it would be common sense not to antagonize potential customers or your employer.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

When emotions are raw I try to show a little deference and respect. Just a personal observation, not legal analysis.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm sure he get another job - if he relocates to Wisconsin.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

Not sure if Illinois is an "at will" state, but many states are. If so any employee can basically be fired for any reason, with the exception of discrimitory purposes (race, age, gender, etc.).We don't have all of the information here - and admittedly on its surface it appears bad. Howver, maybe his employer told him this is Chicago and we have a promotion with the Bears so it would be bad for business for you to wear Green Bay gear and John in an act of defiance wore it anway.

Understandable, however, I hear they have a relationship with the Bears flagship station, and also loan FREE cars to the Bears, so it hardly is costing them any paying customers.Its a Tie, lol, common sense has to weigh in here. If a guy gets fired for a Tie supporting his team, we have bigger issues. His dress coad was shirt and tie, so no issues there, and owner said it would have been allowed on Saturday, so.....I fail to understand why he got fired, except for the obvious, a bitter GM of a car dealership.

Sure it may seem like no big deal to you (or I), but Chicago is a pretty serious football town. What if people are walking out of the dealerships out ater seeing some joker rubbing it in after a devastating defeat to a bitter rival. The GM also needs to think about his business. I have a feeling that there's more to this story than just some poor guy honoring his dead grandmother.

 

[Football Critic]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

 

[Football Critic]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

From what I heard on Mike and Mike, where I first heard about this, the GM refused to be interviewed and the story was broke down. It was a tie that would have been allowed according to a statement from the GM on Saturday, but because they lost.....he was asked to take it off, he refused and was fired. But also it was agreed by many on the show that he should of taken it off cuz your boss asked, but should not be fired, maybe sent home. Being fired is always extreme measures, no?Its simple really, put yourself in his shoes, do u believe firing was the answer?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.

As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.

Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism.

And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..

Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

From what I heard on Mike and Mike, where I first heard about this, the GM refused to be interviewed and the story was broke down. It was a tie that would have been allowed according to a statement from the GM on Saturday, but because they lost.....he was asked to take it off, he refused and was fired. But also it was agreed by many on the show that he should of taken it off cuz your boss asked, but should not be fired, maybe sent home. Being fired is always extreme measures, no?Its simple really, put yourself in his shoes, do u believe firing was the answer?

Probably not, but if he were a top notch sales guy, I doubt they would have canned him. He was a dumb ### for not taking off the tie and paid the price.

 

[3C's]

Got a new job, or at least an offer, already.

 

[3C's]

Probably not, but if he were a top notch sales guy, I doubt they would have canned him. He was a dumb ### for not taking off the tie and paid the price.

He was actually a new employee according to what I just read.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

From what I heard on Mike and Mike, where I first heard about this, the GM refused to be interviewed and the story was broke down. It was a tie that would have been allowed according to a statement from the GM on Saturday, but because they lost.....he was asked to take it off, he refused and was fired. But also it was agreed by many on the show that he should of taken it off cuz your boss asked, but should not be fired, maybe sent home. Being fired is always extreme measures, no?Its simple really, put yourself in his shoes, do u believe firing was the answer?

He is an absolute fool for not taking it off... As a person in authority, when you tell someone to do something and they blatantly defy you, you can't let that become a standard.. If he would defy him over a tie, there were other issues as well... The guy obviously isn't employee material..

 

[bryhamm]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

He's a salesperson trying to sell stuff in Chicago. Pissing off customers is not a good way to do so.

The fact that he refused to take off the tie repeatedly, then went straight to the press with this (he's the only one in this scenario that would) shows there's a lot more to him than the story is reporting.

 

[Football Critic]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."So with the thoughts here, it looks to me, that in an already highly unemployed nation, it is justified to fire a guy because of the tie he wears? And we wonder why unemployment is so high, cuz stuff like this is allowed.Again we are walking a line of what is right and what is wrong, and what is taking it a little to far.Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, but I would never want to work for a company that has this approach to its employees anyways.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism. And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

From what I heard on Mike and Mike, where I first heard about this, the GM refused to be interviewed and the story was broke down. It was a tie that would have been allowed according to a statement from the GM on Saturday, but because they lost.....he was asked to take it off, he refused and was fired. But also it was agreed by many on the show that he should of taken it off cuz your boss asked, but should not be fired, maybe sent home. Being fired is always extreme measures, no?Its simple really, put yourself in his shoes, do u believe firing was the answer?

If he really refused five times? Absolutely.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employmentIllinois is an at-will state.

Read, then come back and revise your statement, please.

 

[Football Critic]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employmentIllinois is an at-will state.

Read, then come back and revise your statement, please.

To be honest, I'm shocked that even one person thinks this is acceptable.At will state or not, so its a skate around firing people u dont like. "Ah I dont like the color of his skin, or the way he combs his hair. Lets fire him and say its because I dont like his shoes."

 

[Jagerbomber]

This dude has no case to sue.

However I think firing him was an overreaction, unless there was already history of insubordination. I think sending him home for the day would have been the more level-headed thing to do, instead of acting like a t1tty baby. Not manager material IMO.

 

[Football Critic]

If he really refused five times? Absolutely.

Is it me, or am I the only one who thinks he shouldnt of even been asked to take it off? He was wearing what was allowed by his companies dress code, if it effected his sales for the day, so be it. Or maybe its just another guy who didnt think wearing a Packers tie could get you fired, like myself.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."So with the thoughts here, it looks to me, that in an already highly unemployed nation, it is justified to fire a guy because of the tie he wears? And we wonder why unemployment is so high, cuz stuff like this is allowed.Again we are walking a line of what is right and what is wrong, and what is taking it a little to far.Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, but I would never want to work for a company that has this approach to its employees anyways.

No one is entitled to a job, you have to do what it takes to secure and maintain a job.. That includes being likable, kissing butt, doing a good job...Seems to me, unless I was being asked to do something Rude, illegal, unreasonable etc.. I do what is asked of me and keep my job.. You can't do things in spite of your employer and keep a job very long. He should have done what was asked, and if he had a problem with it, he could have spoken to someone about it later.The guy obviously has other issues, reminds me of some punk getting over on the man attitude.. "Shoot I read the rules, he ain't gonna tell me what to do"

 

[Football Critic]

However I think firing him was an overreaction, unless there was already history of insubordination. I think sending him home for the day would have been the more level-headed thing to do, instead of acting like a t1tty baby. Not manager material IMO.

This was my thoughts!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

After the first 4 times he was told, he should have understood that wearing that tie was not allowed..

 

[Football Critic]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."So with the thoughts here, it looks to me, that in an already highly unemployed nation, it is justified to fire a guy because of the tie he wears? And we wonder why unemployment is so high, cuz stuff like this is allowed.Again we are walking a line of what is right and what is wrong, and what is taking it a little to far.Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, but I would never want to work for a company that has this approach to its employees anyways.

No one is entitled to a job, you have to do what it takes to secure and maintain a job.. That includes being likable, kissing butt, doing a good job...Seems to me, unless I was being asked to do something Rude, illegal, unreasonable etc.. I do what is asked of me and keep my job.. You can't do things in spite of your employer and keep a job very long. He should have done what was asked, and if he had a problem with it, he could have spoken to someone about it later.The guy obviously has other issues, reminds me of some punk getting over on the man attitude.. "Shoot I read the rules, he ain't gonna tell me what to do"

Hustler u just oppose every view I take, even if it is not the view of your own, goes back to ur personal feelings towards me from a league.If you have to kiss butt to keep a job, again thats not a company I would like to work for. Its not about how u kiss butt, its about the job u do, and if its not about how well u do ur job, we have other issues to worry about.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."So with the thoughts here, it looks to me, that in an already highly unemployed nation, it is justified to fire a guy because of the tie he wears? And we wonder why unemployment is so high, cuz stuff like this is allowed.Again we are walking a line of what is right and what is wrong, and what is taking it a little to far.Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, but I would never want to work for a company that has this approach to its employees anyways.

No one is entitled to a job, you have to do what it takes to secure and maintain a job.. That includes being likable, kissing butt, doing a good job...Seems to me, unless I was being asked to do something Rude, illegal, unreasonable etc.. I do what is asked of me and keep my job.. You can't do things in spite of your employer and keep a job very long. He should have done what was asked, and if he had a problem with it, he could have spoken to someone about it later.The guy obviously has other issues, reminds me of some punk getting over on the man attitude.. "Shoot I read the rules, he ain't gonna tell me what to do"

Hustler u just oppose every view I take, even if it is not the view of your own, goes back to ur personal feelings towards me from a league.If you have to kiss butt to keep a job, again thats not a company I would like to work for. Its not about how u kiss butt, its about the job u do, and if its not about how well u do ur job, we have other issues to worry about.

lol, is this Allen? Who is this?

 

[Football Critic]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."So with the thoughts here, it looks to me, that in an already highly unemployed nation, it is justified to fire a guy because of the tie he wears? And we wonder why unemployment is so high, cuz stuff like this is allowed.Again we are walking a line of what is right and what is wrong, and what is taking it a little to far.Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I respect that, but I would never want to work for a company that has this approach to its employees anyways.

No one is entitled to a job, you have to do what it takes to secure and maintain a job.. That includes being likable, kissing butt, doing a good job...Seems to me, unless I was being asked to do something Rude, illegal, unreasonable etc.. I do what is asked of me and keep my job.. You can't do things in spite of your employer and keep a job very long. He should have done what was asked, and if he had a problem with it, he could have spoken to someone about it later.The guy obviously has other issues, reminds me of some punk getting over on the man attitude.. "Shoot I read the rules, he ain't gonna tell me what to do"

Hustler u just oppose every view I take, even if it is not the view of your own, goes back to ur personal feelings towards me from a league.If you have to kiss butt to keep a job, again thats not a company I would like to work for. Its not about how u kiss butt, its about the job u do, and if its not about how well u do ur job, we have other issues to worry about.

lol, is this Allen? Who is this?

No, but the fact you have issues with more then one person is funny.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employmentIllinois is an at-will state.

Read, then come back and revise your statement, please.

To be honest, I'm shocked that even one person thinks this is acceptable.At will state or not, so its a skate around firing people u dont like. "Ah I dont like the color of his skin, or the way he combs his hair. Lets fire him and say its because I dont like his shoes."

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

 

[Limp Ditka]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employmentIllinois is an at-will state.

Read, then come back and revise your statement, please.

To be honest, I'm shocked that even one person thinks this is acceptable.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

If he really refused five times? Absolutely.

Is it me, or am I the only one who thinks he shouldnt of even been asked to take it off? He was wearing what was allowed by his companies dress code, if it effected his sales for the day, so be it. Or maybe its just another guy who didnt think wearing a Packers tie could get you fired, like myself.

The manager is there to care about the bottom line. If it's affecting sales, that's a damn good reason to tell your employee to change his behavior.

 

[Football Critic]

He was asked 5 times to take the tie off and refused. He would have no case.

No case? Only if it said wearing "a packers or green and gold tie is not allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employmentIllinois is an at-will state.

Read, then come back and revise your statement, please.

To be honest, I'm shocked that even one person thinks this is acceptable.At will state or not, so its a skate around firing people u dont like. "Ah I dont like the color of his skin, or the way he combs his hair. Lets fire him and say its because I dont like his shoes."

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No, but the fact you have issues with more then one person is funny.

Glad you have something to smile about.. I honestly don't know who you are.. Maybe give me a hint.. What was the name of the league.. You know I'm not the only guy using the "Hustler" name right?

 

[Football Critic]

No, but the fact you have issues with more then one person is funny.

Glad you have something to smile about.. I honestly don't know who you are.. Maybe give me a hint.. What was the name of the league.. You know I'm not the only guy using the "Hustler" name right?

Not the place for this, sorry, PM if u want to talk...if your not blocked.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. and refusing to take of a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.To me its about whats morally right.

There are 50 guys out there that would come right in and do as they were told, Why should the manager have to deal with someone so stubborn that they can't take off a tie after being asked 5 times.. He was fired for not doing what he was told, not for wearing a tie... If it wasn't in his original hand book, then he should have understood it in addition as he was told repeatedly that day.

 

[FavreCo]

Who cares. He's a car salesman. How hard is that?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

No, but the fact you have issues with more then one person is funny.

Glad you have something to smile about.. I honestly don't know who you are.. Maybe give me a hint.. What was the name of the league.. You know I'm not the only guy using the "Hustler" name right?

Not the place for this, sorry, PM if u want to talk...if your not blocked.

Blocked?.. lol what are you talking about?Fine, I'm very curious now.. I'll PM you

 

[Football Critic]

Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. and refusing to take of a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

There are 50 guys out there that would come right in and do as they were told, Why should the manager have to deal with someone so stubborn that they can't take off a tie after being asked 5 times.. He was fired for not doing what he was told, not for wearing a tie... If it wasn't in his original hand book, then he should have understood it in addition as he was told repeatedly that day.

He should not of even been asked to take off the tie, or is that missed.Seriously? its ok to fire a guy because of the tie he wore?

 

[RUSF18]

Are the salesmen in Illinois unionized? They aren't in most of the country, but I know they are in parts of the north (like in/around Detroit). A union would complicate this.

As someone said though, there's probably more to this story. A contractual promotional relationship with the Bears may forbid the wearing of Packers gear at work, and it doesn't say how often/in what manner he was asked to stop.

Stories like this get our blood boiling...but they're trash....poorly written biased sensationalism.

And belong in the FFA, not the SP.

People like you guys find a way to take discussion out of everything and turn it into attacks dont u?I posted the exact story from a professional news paper, and it is a football related story, good day having the sadness that make you so bitter.

Wasn't intended as an attack on you I don't think.. Just in general, it's a story for the purposes of writing a story.. It's trash journalism..

Don't you find it hard to believe there wasn't more to it? The guy didn't walk in with a GB tie "Hey Bob".. Boss walk out and say you're fired.. The bit about his Grandmother wreaks of Justification.. Probably for defiance...

From what I heard on Mike and Mike, where I first heard about this, the GM refused to be interviewed and the story was broke down. It was a tie that would have been allowed according to a statement from the GM on Saturday, but because they lost.....he was asked to take it off, he refused and was fired. But also it was agreed by many on the show that he should of taken it off cuz your boss asked, but should not be fired, maybe sent home. Being fired is always extreme measures, no?Its simple really, put yourself in his shoes, do u believe firing was the answer?

Do you have a link for the bold? Not antagonizing, just curious if that is verified.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.

Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

The tie hurts the company bottom line. That's what multiple people here are telling you, and you haven't acknowledged that argument.There wasn't a single personal attack in my post. Calling your style of argument disingenuous isn't attacking you. It's clarifying why it's so hard to get through to you. You've made up your mind, and you won't listen to or acknowledge reasonable opinions that are contrary to your own.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person. I'm sure you're not - you seem to feel a lot of empathy, which makes you good, IMO. I just think you're extremely misguided here.

 

[bryhamm]

If he really refused five times? Absolutely.

Is it me, or am I the only one who thinks he shouldnt of even been asked to take it off? He was wearing what was allowed by his companies dress code, if it effected his sales for the day, so be it. Or maybe its just another guy who didnt think wearing a Packers tie could get you fired, like myself.

I don't think he should have been asked to take it off. I think it was a petty move.But that is not the point. He was asked 5 times by his boss to take it off. SO TAKE IT OFF!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Was the saleman's name Frank Rizzo?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Was the saleman's name Frank Rizzo?

LOLI would keep Rizzo based purely on entertainment value

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. and refusing to take of a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

There are 50 guys out there that would come right in and do as they were told, Why should the manager have to deal with someone so stubborn that they can't take off a tie after being asked 5 times.. He was fired for not doing what he was told, not for wearing a tie... If it wasn't in his original hand book, then he should have understood it in addition as he was told repeatedly that day.

He should not of even been asked to take off the tie, or is that missed.Seriously? its ok to fire a guy because of the tie he wore?

OK, now I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. In an 'at will' state you can be fired for ANYTHING as long as it's not something that's illegal or discriminatory in nature to a protected class. You can't tell someone to rob the 7-11 across the street and if he refuses he's fired. You can't say to someone "hey, I just realized you're a black woman in a wheel chair, get outta here. We don't employ your kind here".

 

[Shtaym Syek]

If he really refused five times? Absolutely.

Is it me, or am I the only one who thinks he shouldnt of even been asked to take it off? He was wearing what was allowed by his companies dress code, if it effected his sales for the day, so be it. Or maybe its just another guy who didnt think wearing a Packers tie could get you fired, like myself.

I don't think he should have been asked to take it off. I think it was a petty move.

I'd like to hear the employer's side of the story before making this decision. I probably wouldn't ask him to take it off, but as soon as a customer complains, you'd better believe I'd ask him to.And no, the employer's not going to talk to the media here. There's only downside in doing so.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. and refusing to take of a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

There are 50 guys out there that would come right in and do as they were told, Why should the manager have to deal with someone so stubborn that they can't take off a tie after being asked 5 times.. He was fired for not doing what he was told, not for wearing a tie... If it wasn't in his original hand book, then he should have understood it in addition as he was told repeatedly that day.

He should not of even been asked to take off the tie, or is that missed.Seriously? its ok to fire a guy because of the tie he wore?

Fired for insubordination.. Was told to do something 5 times and refused...