Illinois man gets fired for wearing Packers tie at work! (1 Viewer)

[Football Critic]

Like the argument the guy should of took off a Packers tie because a bitter boss asked? That kinda argument? it seems as disingenuous to me.

Its different between a boss asking you to do your job, or just wanting to not let a Packers fan be happy, thats what happened here.

If that's all you took from the counterarguments, then there is little hope for you to ever educate yourself to other viewpoints.From the start I agreed with you that there was probably some silliness or over-reaction on the bosses part, but you have failed to grasp that there is likely a lot more to this story than the one sided agenda we are hearing from the employee and teh articles that present his side. You also fail to see that in a sales position its not wise to anger or turn off your potential clients.

No one is taking any joy from some guy getting fired, but in the end the guy either took a a stance that frankly just wasn't worth taking, an/or there's more to the story than we are getting "fed" by the media (who of course love to play with emotions and sensationalize a minor story into a national phenomenon). It seems they have hooked a couple of suckers along the way.

We all know the truth, secretly you agree with everything he says, you just appose his point of view because you don't like him personally.... lol ... And stop sending him those darn filthy PM's...

It couldn't be that someone has a different point of view... No that couldn't be it...

After all, the manager was a stupid Bears fan and he's just bitter and childish.. That's the only explanation that makes sense.. Heartless SOB gonna ruin a mans life because he's bitter about a football game.. I also heard the manager TP'ed the poor guys grandmothers house last night... Just despicable.. Darn those bitter Bears fans...

LOL something so logical to hard to understand from the boards biggest conspiracy theorists?

I laugh at you.. HaHaHa!!

What conspiracy was I theorizing? You'd better look up Conspiracy Theory first before you try answering that... You'll have a hard time finding a post where I suggested a conspiracy but you seem to think this guy getting fired was conspired only because the manager was a Bears fan, yet you can't prove that and I assume that's just a guess.. Seems like you're the "conspiracy theorist" ... Colt...

Well...if that Cutler thread was not removed i would post the link of all your angles trying to make it look like the Bears were doing a cover up.Whats Colt? a guess at who I am again, I recall u asking who I was when I said we had a problem, that is your third guess, and wrong yet again....how many people have issues with u? lol

Also do you ever provide information to any thread, or just an argument?

....and due to how this conversation is going...I have to refrain from responding to you anymore, as this thread is going in a different direction now and no one cares about our issues towards each other.

good day hustlers, I hope you become happy about something one day, as it looks to me that u get enjoyment of a man getting fired over a tie...wait wait, i know...it was insubordination, but that case got shot down when he was offered his job back. Oh and another thing, here is that link of him getting his job offer back

http://wjbc.com/illinois-man-fired-over-pa...fered-job-back/

 

[Sam Quentin]

Well...if that Cutler thread was not removed i would post the link of all your angles trying to make it look like the Bears were doing a cover up.

Whats Colt? a guess at who I am again, I recall u asking who I was when I said we had a problem, that is your third guess, and wrong yet again....how many people have issues with u? lol

Also do you ever provide information to any thread, or just an argument?

....and due to how this conversation is going...I have to refrain from responding to you anymore, as this thread is going in a different direction now and no one cares about our issues towards each other.

good day hustlers, I hope you become happy about something one day, as it looks to me that u get enjoyment of a man getting fired over a tie...wait wait, i know...it was insubordination, but that case got shot down when he was offered his job back. Oh and another thing, here is that link of him getting his job offer back

http://wjbc.com/illinois-man-fired-over-pa...fered-job-back/

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Wow. I've been on this site for a while and I don't post much, just like lurking.

But man, some of you peeps really take the cake. I deal with the public every day and have done so for over 30 years. Do you people really think this is hurting business???

If I go to buy a car, do you really think I give a rats ### who's wearing what? I'm buying for the bottom line, I don't give a crap if your in your underwear, if you give me what I want in the cheapest deal, then I'm buying from you. period. I have worn some things, that might be taken out of context, but as soon as I find a client looking at my attire in a strange fashion, I immediately turn into the lie machine, and make fun at what I'm wearing, putting the client at ease. This was an over-reaction that got blown up by the media, just for the fact of getting internet bullies to discuss this. The hits on the story page has made the paper money.

And with the "I'm going to buy from the dealer that fired the Packer tie wearer", Really??? You'd be willing to pay more for a car just because they fired someone???? Not very practical.

You really don't see a problem with a guy being asked to take off a tie and refusing? Please turn off your lie machine and take off your homer goggles before you answer that..

I'll try to type slower so you'll be able to read and understand at the same time. I said it was an over-reaction. As far as refusing, the first story I read stated that the guy thought the manager was joking with him. I've been in that situation. But flat out refusing after that, he would deserve a reprimand (or write-up), but not firing.

To use a condescending tone isn't necessary is it?

You don't know the situation, the guy was obviously given MANY chances... If he wouldn't take it off that day, what makes you think he would do as he was asked on a different day.. The guy had an obvious aditude problem..

You forget, he should never of been asked to take it off....and condesending coming from u?

LOL, please Hustler, should I repost your insulting PMs, since that is ur approach?

Even in ur PM insults, I refrained from calling you out, but with a box full of insults I feel the right to call you out.

Are you really talking condesending? seriously? you? of all people? You intentionally try to make people mad by being condesending almost every moment, with very little on topic conversation. thru this whole thread, my point is defending another person over a tie, when you say he deserves to be fired, the proof of you condesending charachter is well abroad.

I'm sure you'll respond with some childish whit, or critisizing spelling (as I type fast and careless about spell check), or by saying this guy was insubordinate for not removing a "packers" tie, u kidding me.

I find it odd, people are trying to attack my posts as I care a person lost his job over a meaningless tie.

Its about whats right, and in my book, not every rule or law is right. It is not right, IMHO, to fire someone over a tie no matter how many times he was asked.

its not insubordination if you dont take off your tie, its insubordination to not do ur job, and he was able to do his job no matter what tie he wore. Are we gonna coddle ever person who is offended, or upset at a tie. I understand dress code, and he was well within that.

When you come back to reality let me know... There is so much wrong with your 2 posts I don't know where to start.. And remember you're the one who started making accusations.. And I never sent you 1 nasty message...WOW

 

[thayman]

Wow. I've been on this site for a while and I don't post much, just like lurking.

But man, some of you peeps really take the cake. I deal with the public every day and have done so for over 30 years. Do you people really think this is hurting business???

If I go to buy a car, do you really think I give a rats ### who's wearing what? I'm buying for the bottom line, I don't give a crap if your in your underwear, if you give me what I want in the cheapest deal, then I'm buying from you. period. I have worn some things, that might be taken out of context, but as soon as I find a client looking at my attire in a strange fashion, I immediately turn into the lie machine, and make fun at what I'm wearing, putting the client at ease. This was an over-reaction that got blown up by the media, just for the fact of getting internet bullies to discuss this. The hits on the story page has made the paper money.

And with the "I'm going to buy from the dealer that fired the Packer tie wearer", Really??? You'd be willing to pay more for a car just because they fired someone???? Not very practical.

You really don't see a problem with a guy being asked to take off a tie and refusing? Please turn off your lie machine and take off your homer goggles before you answer that..

I'll try to type slower so you'll be able to read and understand at the same time. I said it was an over-reaction. As far as refusing, the first story I read stated that the guy thought the manager was joking with him. I've been in that situation. But flat out refusing after that, he would deserve a reprimand (or write-up), but not firing.

To use a condescending tone isn't necessary is it?

You don't know the situation, the guy was obviously given MANY chances... If he wouldn't take it off that day, what makes you think he would do as he was asked on a different day.. The guy had an obvious aditude problem..

You forget, he should never of been asked to take it off....and condesending coming from u?

LOL, please Hustler, should I repost your insulting PMs, since that is ur approach?

Even in ur PM insults, I refrained from calling you out, but with a box full of insults I feel the right to call you out.

Are you really talking condesending? seriously? you? of all people? You intentionally try to make people mad by being condesending almost every moment, with very little on topic conversation. thru this whole thread, my point is defending another person over a tie, when you say he deserves to be fired, the proof of you condesending charachter is well abroad.

I'm sure you'll respond with some childish whit, or critisizing spelling (as I type fast and careless about spell check), or by saying this guy was insubordinate for not removing a "packers" tie, u kidding me.

I find it odd, people are trying to attack my posts as I care a person lost his job over a meaningless tie.

Its about whats right, and in my book, not every rule or law is right. It is not right, IMHO, to fire someone over a tie no matter how many times he was asked.

its not insubordination if you dont take off your tie, its insubordination to not do ur job, and he was able to do his job no matter what tie he wore. Are we gonna coddle ever person who is offended, or upset at a tie. I understand dress code, and he was well within that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insubordinationThe guy was being insubordinate. Now it seems that you feel that he shouldn't have been asked to take off the tie, but he was by his superior. When one is in the workplace there are ways to go about certain things. If he felt he was wrongly asked to take off his tie he could have gone to HR, refusing to take off his tie after directed to do so is not the way he should have gone about this.

Should he have been fired? Probably not, however he also probably lost any sort of benefit of the doubt since he is a new employee. There has to be more to the story though.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Since the OP's opinion was that the guy shouldn't have to take off his tie, that should have been one of the poll options... The "ruin his life" comment in the poll, paints the answers with the OP's objective a bit doesn't it.. His life obviously wasn't ruined by his firing so that's a bit of a ridiculous inclusion..

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Wow.

Good Luck with all of that.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Since the OP's opinion was that the guy shouldn't have to take off his tie, that should have been one of the poll options... The "ruin his life" comment in the poll, paints the answers with the OP's objective a bit doesn't it.. His life obviously wasn't ruined by his firing so that's a bit of a ridiculous inclusion..

Didn't even realize there was a poll. Holy crap, that's biased.There's about a 75% chance those "nasty PMs" aren't real, either, based on the OP's overreactions in this thread. The problem is, he's still not trying to understand what other people are telling him (including those on his side). He's got his opinion, and if you disagree, you're "personally attacking" him. It's fine to be that sensitive. Some people are just wired that way. But why start a thread, especially on a controversial topic, if you are that sensitive?

 

[DoubleG]

Since the OP's opinion was that the guy shouldn't have to take off his tie, that should have been one of the poll options... The "ruin his life" comment in the poll, paints the answers with the OP's objective a bit doesn't it.. His life obviously wasn't ruined by his firing so that's a bit of a ridiculous inclusion..

Didn't even realize there was a poll. Holy crap, that's biased.There's about a 75% chance those "nasty PMs" aren't real, either, based on the OP's overreactions in this thread. The problem is, he's still not trying to understand what other people are telling him (including those on his side). He's got his opinion, and if you disagree, you're "personally attacking" him. It's fine to be that sensitive. Some people are just wired that way. But why start a thread, especially on a controversial topic, if you are that sensitive?

There wasn't a poll originally. It seems the OP added it later (and worded it in an extremely biased and self-serving way).But you make several good points. Seriously, why post a poll if you're not really interested in what people think?

 

[JetMaxx]

Just as with everything else that happens at a car stealership, this was clearly a ploy to sell more cars. The move gets publicity and appeals to the locals by firing the Pack fan.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Since the OP's opinion was that the guy shouldn't have to take off his tie, that should have been one of the poll options... The "ruin his life" comment in the poll, paints the answers with the OP's objective a bit doesn't it.. His life obviously wasn't ruined by his firing so that's a bit of a ridiculous inclusion..

Didn't even realize there was a poll. Holy crap, that's biased.

There's about a 75% chance those "nasty PMs" aren't real, either, based on the OP's overreactions in this thread. The problem is, he's still not trying to understand what other people are telling him (including those on his side). He's got his opinion, and if you disagree, you're "personally attacking" him.

It's fine to be that sensitive. Some people are just wired that way. But why start a thread, especially on a controversial topic, if you are that sensitive?

If anyone wants to see the PM's I'll send them over...

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Since the OP's opinion was that the guy shouldn't have to take off his tie, that should have been one of the poll options... The "ruin his life" comment in the poll, paints the answers with the OP's objective a bit doesn't it.. His life obviously wasn't ruined by his firing so that's a bit of a ridiculous inclusion..

Didn't even realize there was a poll. Holy crap, that's biased.

There's about a 75% chance those "nasty PMs" aren't real, either, based on the OP's overreactions in this thread. The problem is, he's still not trying to understand what other people are telling him (including those on his side). He's got his opinion, and if you disagree, you're "personally attacking" him.

It's fine to be that sensitive. Some people are just wired that way. But why start a thread, especially on a controversial topic, if you are that sensitive?

If anyone wants to see the PM's I'll send them over...

Sure. I can be honest about them.I just have a feeling that he's exaggerating, given the stance in here a few times.

 

[cobalt_27]

Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. and refusing to take of a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

There are 50 guys out there that would come right in and do as they were told, Why should the manager have to deal with someone so stubborn that they can't take off a tie after being asked 5 times.. He was fired for not doing what he was told, not for wearing a tie... If it wasn't in his original hand book, then he should have understood it in addition as he was told repeatedly that day.

He should not of even been asked to take off the tie, or is that missed.Seriously? its ok to fire a guy because of the tie he wore?

He wasn't fired for the tie he wore. He was fired for insubordination. This has been explained to you 14 times, already.And, by the way, I absolutely would fire my employee if he was insubordinate 4 times to his supervisor. I doubt there is any dress code in any establishment that specifically prohibits an individual from wearing, say, a football helmet to work. But, if the boss says take the damn thing off, you take the damn thing off. To refuse is insubordination.

Now it's been explained 15 times to you. I don't expect you to understand, but still...figure it out, already.

 

[Christo]

FC, at what point is the hole deep enough?

Once someone answers....If he was insubordinate, why was he offered his job back?

Because it's been made into a huge news story. If this story doesn't reach good morning America and every other news station this dope is still out of a job. FC if this story isn't picked up as news, Which is more likely. He still has a job selling cars or calling unemployment?Don't even bother answering. I'm not sure you could type a response with all the blood that's exited your heart while in this thread. He was offered his job back because of the news coverage.

Cheap cop outThen if the "boss" wasn't wrong, why is it such a big story?...and if a person is insubordinate, why would they ever bring a guy who costs bidness back?People who are defending the boss have no defense, especially since they offered him his job back, and since most of america see this as an issue because it is a story. Good day as it is pointless talking to people who believe firing someone for a tie is acceptable....especially the ones who call it insubordination. lmfao, seriously?If he asked him 20 times, it dont matter, he should never ever ever of been asked to take it off.how is this even debatable?

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

 

[cvnpoka]

He's having an MVP caliber season, and actually has a legitimate shot at an NBA title for the first time in his career. If karma actually existed, I'd love some of LeBron's...

cavs were the bookies odds on favorites to win the title the last 2 years at the start of the playoffs.

 

[Instinctive]

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

100%

 

[coolnerd]

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

100%

Agreed. I am consistently amazed at the number of people who don't know how many rights/freedoms/priviledges they give up for a paycheck. Even in the most liberal of states with the strongest of unions, employers tell the people tell when to show, what to do, what they can say and what to wear. Your freedom is way more limited by your employer than your government (no matter who is President).

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

100%

Agreed. I am consistently amazed at the number of people who don't know how many rights/freedoms/priviledges they give up for a paycheck. Even in the most liberal of states with the strongest of unions, employers tell the people tell when to show, what to do, what they can say and what to wear. Your freedom is way more limited by your employer than your government (no matter who is President).

Hope that is sarcasm... You obviously would have a hard time finding someone to pay you to do whatever you want.. Those gigs are not plentiful.. You can come work for me, no compensation, and do whatever you want.. If you want some of my money, you do what it takes to get it...

 

[griff321]

A suburban Chicago car salesman apparently went too far in celebrating the Green Bay Packers win over the Chicago Bears.

The general manager of John Webb Chevrolet in Oak Lawn fired him Monday for wearing a Packers tie at work.

John Stone, 34, told WGN-TV that his grandmother, who recently died, was from Chicago, but she loved the Packers.

General Manager Jerry Roberts told the television station that there’s no specific policy against wearing green-and-gold gear, but the dealership has had advertising campaigns featuring the Bears.

Stone was happy to don the tie for WGN’s camera. “I love you, grandma and I love the Packers,” he said.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/114562044.html

This is a total shame, and I expect John to cash in on a wrongful termination case. (Any lawyers weigh in)

Whats your thoughts about this? I wonder what would of happened if he wore a Cutler jersey?

When keeping it real goes wrong.

 

[griff321]

FC, at what point is the hole deep enough?

Once someone answers....If he was insubordinate, why was he offered his job back?

Because it's been made into a huge news story. If this story doesn't reach good morning America and every other news station this dope is still out of a job. FC if this story isn't picked up as news, Which is more likely. He still has a job selling cars or calling unemployment?Don't even bother answering. I'm not sure you could type a response with all the blood that's exited your heart while in this thread. He was offered his job back because of the news coverage.

Cheap cop outThen if the "boss" wasn't wrong, why is it such a big story?...and if a person is insubordinate, why would they ever bring a guy who costs bidness back?People who are defending the boss have no defense, especially since they offered him his job back, and since most of america see this as an issue because it is a story. Good day as it is pointless talking to people who believe firing someone for a tie is acceptable....especially the ones who call it insubordination. lmfao, seriously?If he asked him 20 times, it dont matter, he should never ever ever of been asked to take it off.how is this even debatable?

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

Sorry Football Critic, but what do you do for a living? I only ask because it seems that you are completely out of touch with most work environments.Back in High School I was #####ing to a wiser man about how my boss is terrible at his job and how I hated having to do all sorts of stuff that I felt isn't my job. The wiser man asked me what my job is, so I started listing specific duties ect. He listened very patiently and then said, "Well that's where you ####ed up. Your job is to make your boss happy. End of story. Don't disillusion yourself by thinking you matter at a disposable/no experience job that 10 other jobless guys will step right into and do whatever the boss wants. Try to find a job where you can do what you want and if that doesn't work then you need to make yourself more desirable, find a way to make the money as your own boss, or live under an overpass."

 

[coolnerd]

It's not debatable. Yet you continue debating. I own my own business. If I don't like something an employee does, it is my right to fire him as long as what the employee is doing is not protected by law. I don't even have to give him a warning. No one has the right to work for me.

100%

Agreed. I am consistently amazed at the number of people who don't know how many rights/freedoms/priviledges they give up for a paycheck. Even in the most liberal of states with the strongest of unions, employers tell the people tell when to show, what to do, what they can say and what to wear. Your freedom is way more limited by your employer than your government (no matter who is President).

Hope that is sarcasm... You obviously would have a hard time finding someone to pay you to do whatever you want.. Those gigs are not plentiful.. You can come work for me, no compensation, and do whatever you want.. If you want some of my money, you do what it takes to get it...

did you read that word as employers or employees?

 

[thayman]

Sorry Football Critic, but what do you do for a living? I only ask because it seems that you are completely out of touch with most work environments.Back in High School I was #####ing to a wiser man about how my boss is terrible at his job and how I hated having to do all sorts of stuff that I felt isn't my job. The wiser man asked me what my job is, so I started listing specific duties ect. He listened very patiently and then said, "Well that's where you ####ed up. Your job is to make your boss happy. End of story. Don't disillusion yourself by thinking you matter at a disposable/no experience job that 10 other jobless guys will step right into and do whatever the boss wants. Try to find a job where you can do what you want and if that doesn't work then you need to make yourself more desirable, find a way to make the money as your own boss, or live under an overpass."

You won't get an answer from Football Critic. He starts these threads, gets thouroghly owned and then won't show up again.

 

[Football Critic]

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.

Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

The tie hurts the company bottom line. That's what multiple people here are telling you, and you haven't acknowledged that argument.

There wasn't a single personal attack in my post. Calling your style of argument disingenuous isn't attacking you. It's clarifying why it's so hard to get through to you. You've made up your mind, and you won't listen to or acknowledge reasonable opinions that are contrary to your own.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person. I'm sure you're not - you seem to feel a lot of empathy, which makes you good, IMO. I just think you're extremely misguided here.

Shut up. You dont even know what the hell you're talking about.

He didn't fire the guy for any reason other than he's a typical whiny doosh Bears fan, just like the rest of them. If the Bears won the game you still think the manager would give a crap what tie he wore.

Thats my point, and its very clear to see, by the fact he was offered his job back. But people will still act like he got fired cuz he didnt take off the tie, no one would get a job back if they did wrong, no matter what media or person stepped in. And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

This is an unfortunate situation, but if my boss asked me to change my tie, or shirt, or anything, he would only need to ask once ... it's unfathomable to me that he would even have to ask 5

 

[D.J.]

I think it is interesting that, in general, the people that are defending the GM appear to be business-minded and generally type in complete sentences and use correct grammar. The most avid defenders tend to use fragments and require interpretations to understand. There is nothing wrong with posting either way, but there seems to be a stark contrast...

 

[DoubleG]

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.

Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

The tie hurts the company bottom line. That's what multiple people here are telling you, and you haven't acknowledged that argument.

There wasn't a single personal attack in my post. Calling your style of argument disingenuous isn't attacking you. It's clarifying why it's so hard to get through to you. You've made up your mind, and you won't listen to or acknowledge reasonable opinions that are contrary to your own.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person. I'm sure you're not - you seem to feel a lot of empathy, which makes you good, IMO. I just think you're extremely misguided here.

Shut up. You dont even know what the hell you're talking about.

He didn't fire the guy for any reason other than he's a typical whiny doosh Bears fan, just like the rest of them. If the Bears won the game you still think the manager would give a crap what tie he wore.

Ironically, you just made the point, with your improperly punctuated question. He fired the employee for insubordination - after asking him to remove a tie that customers might find annoying after just losing. The fact that you post the question about it probably being different if the Bears had won, shows that you already understand that very fact.And just a few points of reminder:

The employee was fired for insubordination, not for waering a tie - and yet the incorrect thread title remains. He was aksed 5 times to remove the tie. He was not fired for wearing the tie - but for refusing to take it off by his superior...not once, twice or even 4 times.

 

[BigJim®]

Ruin his life.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think it is interesting that, in general, the people that are defending the GM appear to be business-minded and generally type in complete sentences and use correct grammar. The most avid defenders tend to use fragments and require interpretations to understand. There is nothing wrong with posting either way, but there seems to be a stark contrast...

Some people do what they have to do, to succeed. Some people walk around there whole lives with a chip on their shoulder and get nowhere.. And everyone else is holding them back.. "The Man"

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.

Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

The tie hurts the company bottom line. That's what multiple people here are telling you, and you haven't acknowledged that argument.

There wasn't a single personal attack in my post. Calling your style of argument disingenuous isn't attacking you. It's clarifying why it's so hard to get through to you. You've made up your mind, and you won't listen to or acknowledge reasonable opinions that are contrary to your own.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person. I'm sure you're not - you seem to feel a lot of empathy, which makes you good, IMO. I just think you're extremely misguided here.

Shut up. You dont even know what the hell you're talking about.

He didn't fire the guy for any reason other than he's a typical whiny doosh Bears fan, just like the rest of them. If the Bears won the game you still think the manager would give a crap what tie he wore.

Thats my point, and its very clear to see, by the fact he was offered his job back. But people will still act like he got fired cuz he didnt take off the tie, no one would get a job back if they did wrong, no matter what media or person stepped in. And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

The offended implied that he could have gone back... I doubt it...Most likely he was talking about taking off his tie and going back to work..

But nobody is going to tell him what to do..

Lets do this one more time. If the guy was fired for wearing a Packers tie, why was he asked to take it off? "You're fired for wearing that tie, now take it off" Why was he still there to be asked 4 more times to remove it? "I fired you an hour ago for wearing that tie, now leave.. and take that Tie off before you go"...

Football Critic,... lol you amuse me

 

[thayman]

You're not really reading anything we say, are you? Several people have made valid arguments in the other direction.

Not acknowledging them and summarily dismissing them is completely disingenuous, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain.

Again more attacks on the board, no, not on FBG.Its not that I am not acknowledging it, its just in no way shape or form do I believe a human being should be fired and lose his lively hood do to a "tie", and no argument short of him being truly unacceptable as an employee, which means breaking company rules, or being an unruley employee. And refusing to take off a tie, which is clearly in the grounds of acceptable clothing, will never be a reason to fire someone. Unless the tie had offensive writing or pictures to an average person, and not just a Bears fan.

To me its about whats morally right.

The tie hurts the company bottom line. That's what multiple people here are telling you, and you haven't acknowledged that argument.

There wasn't a single personal attack in my post. Calling your style of argument disingenuous isn't attacking you. It's clarifying why it's so hard to get through to you. You've made up your mind, and you won't listen to or acknowledge reasonable opinions that are contrary to your own.

It doesn't mean you're a bad person. I'm sure you're not - you seem to feel a lot of empathy, which makes you good, IMO. I just think you're extremely misguided here.

Shut up. You dont even know what the hell you're talking about.

He didn't fire the guy for any reason other than he's a typical whiny doosh Bears fan, just like the rest of them. If the Bears won the game you still think the manager would give a crap what tie he wore.

Thats my point, and its very clear to see, by the fact he was offered his job back. But people will still act like he got fired cuz he didnt take off the tie, no one would get a job back if they did wrong, no matter what media or person stepped in. And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

I'm curious as to what industry you work in. I'm the GM of a business and I have had more than one employee be fired and then has ended up getting rehired.

 

[Gopher State]

Maybe the salesman has moved on to New Orleans and is selling cars there. Not to long ago saints fans had bags over their heads, and after this year would be happy to buy a car from a Packer Backer

GO PACK GO

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Maybe the salesman has moved on to New Orleans and is selling cars there. Not to long ago saints fans had bags over their heads, and after this year would be happy to buy a car from a Packer BackerGO PACK GO

You see the SuperBowl last year by chance?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

I'm curious as to what industry you work in. I'm the GM of a business and I have had more than one employee be fired and then has ended up getting rehired.

You better put on your hip waders before you ask him a question like that..

 

[Jack Burton]

I think it is interesting that, in general, the people that are defending the GM appear to be business-minded and generally type in complete sentences and use correct grammar. The most avid defenders tend to use fragments and require interpretations to understand. There is nothing wrong with posting either way, but there seems to be a stark contrast...

You're right, it is interseting in general to see how that works. Thank you very much for pointing that out Punctuation Boy.

 

[Jack Burton]

And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

I'm curious as to what industry you work in. I'm the GM of a business and I have had more than one employee be fired and then has ended up getting rehired.

You better put on your hip waders before you ask him a question like that..

Why dont you lend him your knee pads instead.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

And to people who really think the GM was right, if you did what he did, you would be suffering the backlash, lol....yup, but the guy in the "Tie" shoulda been fired, lmfao. Talk smack about until your blue in the face, argument was settled about who was wrong in this issue when he was offered his job back from the dealership. But if you want to eliminate common sense, well then you have an argument.

I'm curious as to what industry you work in. I'm the GM of a business and I have had more than one employee be fired and then has ended up getting rehired.

You better put on your hip waders before you ask him a question like that..

Why dont you lend him your knee pads instead.

I don't have them right now.. I lent them to yur mum..