I'm not hearing great things about Demaryius Thomas (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I don't think anyone ever suggested that he wasn't going to be in need of development because of the system he came out of. I've been pimping this guy as hard as anybody and I've always said that he's going to need work in those areas.

 

[OMG! Ponies!]

that's been the knock on him the whole time. he's a go route receiver that may at times out jump a smaller CB for the ball. i guess you can't blame the guy for doing his job in college, but he hasn't shown a whole lot of route running skills that translate well.

and just for the record...he's not calvin.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

I hate to say it but I had heard almost the same description of Charles Rogers...

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

You say "they," but it's mostly just Matt Hayes, the college reporter for the Sporting News. I haven't heard him say a single positive thing about any prospect. He has absolutely slammed Dez Bryant's ON-FIELD play and then also trashed Thomas several times as someone not even worthy of a second-round pick.Plenty of other people on NFL Network like both Bryant and Thomas.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

You say "they," but it's mostly just Matt Hayes, the college reporter for the Sporting News. I haven't heard him say a single positive thing about any prospect. He has absolutely slammed Dez Bryant's ON-FIELD play and then also trashed Thomas several times as someone not even worthy of a second-round pick.Plenty of other people on NFL Network like both Bryant and Thomas.

We can fluff it up anyway we want, but the fact remains there seem to be some glaring holes in his game that will require some development time. Fantasy teams drafting him for an immediate reward may need to rethink it. I drafted him in the PDSL league thinking he would help me early. I'm now thinking I couldn't be more wrong. Those aren't the type of leagues to draft rookies, but if you do you have to hit on them.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

You say "they," but it's mostly just Matt Hayes, the college reporter for the Sporting News. I haven't heard him say a single positive thing about any prospect. He has absolutely slammed Dez Bryant's ON-FIELD play and then also trashed Thomas several times as someone not even worthy of a second-round pick.Plenty of other people on NFL Network like both Bryant and Thomas.

We can fluff it up anyway we want, but the fact remains there seem to be some glaring holes in his game that will require some development time. Fantasy teams drafting him for an immediate reward may need to rethink it. I drafted him in the PDSL league thinking he would help me early. I'm now thinking I couldn't be more wrong. Those aren't the type of leagues to draft rookies, but if you do you have to hit on them.

I'm not fluffing anything up. Your thread says that NFL Network ripped Thomas. That's factually incorrect. I was simply explaining the actual context of what took place on Path to the Draft yesterday for those that didn't see it themselves.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Matt Hayes is a total tool whose mouth is much bigger than his brain, but Mayock also raised concerns about Thomas going as high as he is projected. Bucky Brooks was more than ready to take him in the 1st.

I drafted him in the PDSL league thinking he would help me early. I'm now thinking I couldn't be more wrong. Those aren't the type of leagues to draft rookies, but if you do you have to hit on them.

Honestly, this is on you.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

You say "they," but it's mostly just Matt Hayes, the college reporter for the Sporting News. I haven't heard him say a single positive thing about any prospect. He has absolutely slammed Dez Bryant's ON-FIELD play and then also trashed Thomas several times as someone not even worthy of a second-round pick.Plenty of other people on NFL Network like both Bryant and Thomas.

We can fluff it up anyway we want, but the fact remains there seem to be some glaring holes in his game that will require some development time. Fantasy teams drafting him for an immediate reward may need to rethink it. I drafted him in the PDSL league thinking he would help me early. I'm now thinking I couldn't be more wrong. Those aren't the type of leagues to draft rookies, but if you do you have to hit on them.

I'm not fluffing anything up. Your thread says that NFL Network ripped Thomas. That's factually incorrect. I was simply explaining the actual context of what took place on Path to the Draft yesterday for those that didn't see it themselves.

Thanks for letting us know exactly who said it. Do you disagree with what he said about Thomas' deficiencies? How long do you think it will take Thomas to be fantasy relevant?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the guy smells like a project, but his upside will have him drafted after dez and probably before any other WRs maybe G.Tate slides in front. We will see

 

[JohnnyU]

Matt Hayes is a total tool whose mouth is much bigger than his brain, but Mayock also raised concerns about Thomas going as high as he is projected. Bucky Brooks was more than ready to take him in the 1st.

I drafted him in the PDSL league thinking he would help me early. I'm now thinking I couldn't be more wrong. Those aren't the type of leagues to draft rookies, but if you do you have to hit on them.

Honestly, this is on you.

Yep, that's what I said. Oh well, I'm not perfect

 

[BeTheMatch]

Thanks for letting us know exactly who said it. Do you disagree with what he said about Thomas' deficiencies? How long do you think it will take Thomas to be fantasy relevant?

I disagree with Hayes' overall assessment of Thomas. Yes, I do think he is someone who could take longer to develop because of the offense he was in in college. Maybe like a Vincent Jackson. But for Hayes to say he shouldn't even be drafted in the second round is preposterous. He basically said he was a piece of crap that can't get open, never ran anything but a curl and a fly and will never amount to anything. So while I think Thomas certainly has questions in his game (like all college players), Hayes' comments were over the top, in my opinion.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Keep talking all this up so he falls farther in rookie drafts please.....

 

[Crippler]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't really like any of these 5 or 6 top-rated WR picks but what the hell do I know.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

(quietly waiting for EBF)

 

[MAC_32]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

I hate to say it but I had heard almost the same description of Charles Rogers...

Rogers problem wasn't his route running and breaks off the line, his problem was he didn't care after he got paid.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

I hate to say it but I had heard almost the same description of Charles Rogers...

Rogers problem wasn't his route running and breaks off the line, his problem was he didn't care after he got paid.

Not to mention the white stuff.

 

[lyon812]

He's a boom-bust candidate that may need a few years of development time. Those who draft him should recognize that and stick with him accordingly.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

He reminds me a lot of Dwayne Jarrett.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

He reminds me a lot of Dwayne Jarrett.

Thomas has much better character and work ethic and can run away from people. What do they have in common?

 

[LawFitz]

Rogers problem wasn't his route running and breaks off the line, his problem was he didn't care after he got paid.

This my friends is the single most overlooked and underrated factor in drafting these kids disguised as millionaire athletes. Busts happen on and off the field. How's DT's character background? The few highlights I've seen, he's got all the physical tools. But if he can't do the basics, then he's at minimum a project. How are his hands? Are they natural. If he can catch the ball, and is a decent kid off the field, I gotta figure he'd be worth a 2nd rounder. Dude has upside as a future big play threat with his size and raw athleticism.

 

[zed2283]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

That's what I saw too. Casserly didn't like him but Mayock vehemently disagreed.

 

[JohnnyU]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

That's what I saw too. Casserly didn't like him but Mayock vehemently disagreed.

What did Mayock offer to back up his disagreement with Casserly?

 

[Crippler]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

That's what I saw too. Casserly didn't like him but Mayock vehemently disagreed.

What did Mayock offer to back up his disagreement with Casserly?

That could be last week they had one on ones vs players. How old I am getting now since I can remember them discussing but not who. Mayock was not on the show last night. IT was Bucky, Matt and Casserly. I do like Charlie alot though.

 

[LionsFan78]

He reminds me a lot of Dwayne Jarrett.

Thomas has much better character and work ethic and can run away from people. What do they have in common?

Nothing. Horrible comparison.

 

[BeTheMatch]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

That's what I saw too. Casserly didn't like him but Mayock vehemently disagreed.

What did Mayock offer to back up his disagreement with Casserly?

For all of Casserly's "criticism," he still has Thomas as his No. 2 WR

 

[thevidon]

He is my #1 bust candidate this year. I am staying away in all drafts (unless I can get him in the late 2nd or something).

 

[EBF]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

The same Charlie Casserly who "built" the Texans around David Carr, Bennie Joppru, and Jabar Gaffney?I would take that as a compliment if I were Thomas.

 

[EBF]

He reminds me a lot of Dwayne Jarrett.

Thomas has much better character and work ethic and can run away from people. What do they have in common?

Nothing. Horrible comparison.

Yea, really. Jarrett was a tall, stringy guy with no speed who succeeded in college because he had a big frame and good hands.Thomas is much stronger and faster.

 

[EBF]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

You have to decide how to build your team. I prefer to get the best talent and let talent win out long term.

 

[EBF]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

You wouldn't wait two years for Vincent Jackson, Plaxico Burress, or Brandon Marshall?

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

You wouldn't wait two years for Vincent Jackson, Plaxico Burress, or Brandon Marshall?

I agree, especially given the alternative. I would think the earliest that Thomas goes in any rookie draft is going to be 1.04. At that point, you're looking at a whole bunch of questionable RBs. Sure, a Ben Tate or Toby Gerhardt might be somewhat productive for a year or two if they land in a great spot, but that's not unlike a Kevin Jones or Julius Jones or Kevin Smith, etc. I'd much rather wait a few years for a long-term starter that could be elite than go with one of these flash-in-the-pan types at RB that will flame out very soon in a lot of cases.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

You wouldn't wait two years for Vincent Jackson, Plaxico Burress, or Brandon Marshall?

Sure, but I don't remember Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall being 1st rd picks in rookie drafts.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was watching NFL Network (Path to the Draft) last night and they aren't exactly giving Thomas a glowing critique. They slam his route running and ability to get off the line of scrimmage. I can't remember who was saying this on the show, only to say they were. The guy mentioned that in college they would just throw it deep and DT would jump for it. He won't be able to rely on that in the NFL. He will have to learn the other parts of the game and that may take some time if it does at all. I'm taking the blinders off and trying to look at him for what he really is. I may still draft him, but........

No one ever said he would be ready to contribute this season. He will most likely need 1-2 years of seasoning before he can be a dependable starter. That's why he's projected in the 20-40 range instead of the top 10.

Ok then, if a WR needs 2 years of seasoning doesn't that make him no better than a late 1st rd pick, but more likey a 2nd rd pick in fantasy rookie drafts? No way you waste a top 8 pick on a guy that won't help you for a few years.

You wouldn't wait two years for Vincent Jackson, Plaxico Burress, or Brandon Marshall?

Sure, but I don't remember Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall being 1st rd picks in rookie drafts.

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

 

[EBF]

I agree, especially given the alternative. I would think the earliest that Thomas goes in any rookie draft is going to be 1.04. At that point, you're looking at a whole bunch of questionable RBs. Sure, a Ben Tate or Toby Gerhardt might be somewhat productive for a year or two if they land in a great spot, but that's not unlike a Kevin Jones or Julius Jones or Kevin Smith, etc. I'd much rather wait a few years for a long-term starter that could be elite than go with one of these flash-in-the-pan types at RB that will flame out very soon in a lot of cases.

Yea, this is what it comes down to for me. I highly doubt that many people will take Thomas over any of the consensus top 3 guys (Spiller, Mathews, Bryant). Jahvid Best will also probably go ahead of him in most leagues. Once those first round type guys are gone, I think Thomas becomes a very real possibility. It's pretty likely that one or two of the middle round guys like Gerhart/Hardesty/Tate/Dwyer will land in favorable situations and become appealing candidates in the 1.05-1.08 range of rookie drafts, but do you take one of those guys over a potential franchise WR?If you're totally sold on one of those RBs then it wouldn't be a bad move, but Thomas is probably the better NFL talent. He will be a solid pick in the 1.05-1.08 range, where he offers better long term talent than unspectacular RBs whose pedestrian talent level is no better than 4-5 guys who enter the league every year in the draft.

 

[zed2283]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

That's what I saw too. Casserly didn't like him but Mayock vehemently disagreed.

What did Mayock offer to back up his disagreement with Casserly?

Well I think I missed the original conversation. The part I saw was they were doing sort of a recap and Casserly called Thomas overrated or a late-round pick or something and Mayock jumped in with the "I wholeheartedly disagree, Charlie and I definitely disagree on this kid, he's great, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, etc."

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

No, I mean the fact that they were passed on in the first round was a mistake by those owners.

 

[JohnnyU]

Sure, but I don't remember Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall being 1st rd picks in rookie drafts.

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

In Fantasy Legends II -In 2005 -

3.04 28. Whiney Idiots II Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Tue May 3 12:42:09 a.m. ET 2005 7.40

In 2006 -

2.06 18. Green Acres Marshall, Brandon DEN WR Mon May 8 9:10:27 p.m. ET 2006 51.10

In Fantasy Legends I

In 2006 -

3.02 26. The Willie McCoys Marshall, Brandon DEN WR Tue May 9 9:38:33 a.m. ET 2006 42.10

Did 2005 draft at RTS sports in this league, so I can't find Jackson.

In Champagne Classic

In 2005 -

2.08 20. Nefarious Intentions Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Sun Aug 7 12:31:42 p.m. ET 2005 5.90

In 2006 -

3.02 26. The Infuriator Marshall, Brandon DEN WR Tue Aug 8 4:48:40 a.m. ET 2006 42.10

MOX 1 -

In 2005 - Message board draft. We hadn't started using the draft feature yet.

2.11 Short Bus selects Vincent Jackson WR SDC

In 2006 -

2.08 22. Team Pepe Delgado's Marshall, Brandon DEN WR Sun Aug 6 10:46:18 a.m. ET 2006

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

No, I mean the fact that they were passed on in the first round was a mistake by those owners.

Yeah, and that's not even the real point. The point is that you said that if you need to wait a couple of years for production from a player, he isn't worth a 1st round dynasty pick.But of course that's ridiculous. For any of the guys mentioned, if you knew in advance that they were going to be solid producers, but also knew that you would have to wait a year or two for that production, they'd STILL be absolutely worth a 1st round pick. It's not even close.A staggering amount of the players who are first round picks turn out to be useless. Your goal is to get ones that won't. To know going in that you may have to wait a while might drop their value a little, but it certainly shouldn't preclude you from grabbing a guy in the first round that you think is going to be productive in the long run.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

No, I mean the fact that they were passed on in the first round was a mistake by those owners.

Yeah, and that's not even the real point. The point is that you said that if you need to wait a couple of years for production from a player, he isn't worth a 1st round dynasty pick.But of course that's ridiculous. For any of the guys mentioned, if you knew in advance that they were going to be solid producers, but also knew that you would have to wait a year or two for that production, they'd STILL be absolutely worth a 1st round pick. It's not even close.A staggering amount of the players who are first round picks turn out to be useless. Your goal is to get ones that won't. To know going in that you may have to wait a while might drop their value a little, but it certainly shouldn't preclude you from grabbing a guy in the first round that you think is going to be productive in the long run.

If Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall were raw and considered a project and Thomas is considered a project as well, and both Jackson and Marshall weren't drafted until the 2nd or 3rd round of dynasty drafts, then doesn't it stand to reason that DT has 2nd rd value as well?

 

[Donnybrook]

It was Casserly that said he was a 2 route type of guy and he would not spend a 1st rounder on him. Late 2nd in the end on last nights show. He did not like very much about him. I kind of dont listen when Hayes is on. Where is Charles and Mayock the last few days. Damn in New York preparing.

The same Charlie Casserly who "built" the Texans around David Carr, Bennie Joppru, and Jabar Gaffney?I would take that as a compliment if I were Thomas.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

No, I mean the fact that they were passed on in the first round was a mistake by those owners.

Yeah, and that's not even the real point. The point is that you said that if you need to wait a couple of years for production from a player, he isn't worth a 1st round dynasty pick.But of course that's ridiculous. For any of the guys mentioned, if you knew in advance that they were going to be solid producers, but also knew that you would have to wait a year or two for that production, they'd STILL be absolutely worth a 1st round pick. It's not even close.A staggering amount of the players who are first round picks turn out to be useless. Your goal is to get ones that won't. To know going in that you may have to wait a while might drop their value a little, but it certainly shouldn't preclude you from grabbing a guy in the first round that you think is going to be productive in the long run.

If Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall were raw and considered a project and Thomas is considered a project as well, and both Jackson and Marshall weren't drafted until the 2nd or 3rd round of dynasty drafts, then doesn't it stand to reason that DT has 2nd rd value as well?

If people are doomed to repeat past mistakes, sure.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Well, those were obviously mistakes then!

No, I'm pretty sure I'm right, especially with Brandon Marshall. I know he wasn't drafted in some leagues. I'm pretty sure Vincent Jackson was a 2nd rd pick in most dynasty leagues.

No, I mean the fact that they were passed on in the first round was a mistake by those owners.

Yeah, and that's not even the real point. The point is that you said that if you need to wait a couple of years for production from a player, he isn't worth a 1st round dynasty pick.But of course that's ridiculous. For any of the guys mentioned, if you knew in advance that they were going to be solid producers, but also knew that you would have to wait a year or two for that production, they'd STILL be absolutely worth a 1st round pick. It's not even close.A staggering amount of the players who are first round picks turn out to be useless. Your goal is to get ones that won't. To know going in that you may have to wait a while might drop their value a little, but it certainly shouldn't preclude you from grabbing a guy in the first round that you think is going to be productive in the long run.

If Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall were raw and considered a project and Thomas is considered a project as well, and both Jackson and Marshall weren't drafted until the 2nd or 3rd round of dynasty drafts, then doesn't it stand to reason that DT has 2nd rd value as well?

Brandon Jackson was considered a RB with high upside going into the draft and went in the top half of many rookie drafts. Does that mean any underclassmen RB with high upside should go in the top half of a rookie draft? Say Ben Tate this year?How many teams that drafted Sinorice Moss, Brian Calhoun, Joe Klopfenstein, Leonard Pope, Chad Jackson or others wish they had taken Brandon Marshall that year? Or Greg Jennings who was going in the 2nd/3rd rounds of that same rookie draft? Just because Chad Jackson outproduced Marshall (3 TD to 2 TD) in year one doesn't mean he was a better pick nor does it justify taking him in the first round over Marshall. MJD was going well after Lendale, Addai, DeAngelo, Maroney, and Bush too.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

He reminds me a lot of Dwayne Jarrett.

Thomas has much better character and work ethic and can run away from people. What do they have in common?

Nothing. Horrible comparison.

Ok, my bad...just what I've seen in winning jump balls etc. but I honestly haven't seen much of him (obviously).

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The Broncos drafting of Thomas over Dez Bryant is a lot like the Raiders drafting of DHB over Crabtree. They fell in love with Thomas' "measurables" and devalued the general consensus opinion that Bryant is a more polished, NFL ready WR.

Really? I thought they just didn't want another problem child.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The Broncos drafting of Thomas over Dez Bryant is a lot like the Raiders drafting of DHB over Crabtree. They fell in love with Thomas' "measurables" and devalued the general consensus opinion that Bryant is a more polished, NFL ready WR.

Compare and contrast DHB to D. Thomas