Impact of a Flex Position (1 Viewer)

[Pole Cat]

I was wondering how the addition of a flex position (RB,WR,TE) would affect the respective value of certain positions and drafting strategy. My first thought is that it might make RBs even more valuable and therefore necessary to draft as early as possible. Any input is appreciated?

 

[joffer]

depends on a lot of factors, but in general, it lowers the value of QBs, and if there is no ppr, it does raise the value of RBs.

 

[wannabee]

depends on a lot of factors, but in general, it lowers the value of QBs, and if there is no ppr, it does raise the value of RBs.

also, I think it raises value of RBs. If I am able to start good 3 RBs in a non-PPR league, I will draft them early and often because of scarcity

 

[ceo3west]

depends on a lot of factors, but in general, it lowers the value of QBs, and if there is no ppr, it does raise the value of RBs.

also, I think it raises value of RBs. If I am able to start good 3 RBs in a non-PPR league, I will draft them early and often because of scarcity

It definitely increases the value of RB's in my opinion. I am in a 14 team league where you start 2 RB, 2 WR & 1 Flex WR/RB. With some teams taking 3 starting RB's early, some teams dont even end up with a legit #2. Causes big problems when bye weeks / injuries arise. RB's are like gold.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Great topic. I'm in a 16 team PPR league with starting line-ups that consist of 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) and 3 WR/TE. We'd have a tough time if required to start 2 RBs. The PPR rule makes WRs just as valuable as RBs. Flex positions are great for deeper leagues and offer quite a bit of strategy.

 

[Z-Dog]

Great topic. I'm in a 16 team PPR league with starting line-ups that consist of 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) and 3 WR/TE. We'd have a tough time if required to start 2 RBs. The PPR rule makes WRs just as valuable as RBs. Flex positions are great for deeper leagues and offer quite a bit of strategy.

PPR does NOT make WRs as valuable as RBs if both positions score the same number of points for receptions. For one, RBs still score more points, straight up, than WRs. For two, PPR increases the gap between the top RBs and the bottom RBs much more than it increases the gap between to and bottom WRs in most formats.

 

[Winston Wolfe]

Great topic. I'm in a 16 team PPR league with starting line-ups that consist of 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) and 3 WR/TE. We'd have a tough time if required to start 2 RBs. The PPR rule makes WRs just as valuable as RBs. Flex positions are great for deeper leagues and offer quite a bit of strategy.

PPR does NOT make WRs as valuable as RBs if both positions score the same number of points for receptions. For one, RBs still score more points, straight up, than WRs. For two, PPR increases the gap between the top RBs and the bottom RBs much more than it increases the gap between to and bottom WRs in most formats.

PPR in a flex league with starting requirements of 2RB/3WR/1 flex makes the top WRs on par with the 2nd round RBs. WRs tend to be an after thought by some owners in WCOFF which makes them dead money. WRs in rounds 4-8 are the gold standard.PPR closes the gap between the low end of WRs and the 20-30 RBs which makes WRs a viable flex option.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Great topic.  I'm in a 16 team PPR league with starting line-ups that consist of 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) and 3 WR/TE.  We'd have a tough time if required to start 2 RBs.  The PPR rule makes WRs just as valuable as RBs.  Flex positions are great for deeper leagues and offer quite a bit of strategy.

PPR does NOT make WRs as valuable as RBs if both positions score the same number of points for receptions. For one, RBs still score more points, straight up, than WRs. For two, PPR increases the gap between the top RBs and the bottom RBs much more than it increases the gap between to and bottom WRs in most formats.

Perhaps I should explain. After LJ, LT, Alexander and Barber are gone the high scorers in our league are WRs. Because owners can go with 1 RB and 4 WR it often makes sense to go WR early, especially if you don't have picks 1-4. Here are our top 30 scorers from 2005 (1pt per 10 yds rush/rec, 1 pt per 30 yds passing, 1 pt per rec, 6 pt TD rush/rec, 4 pt TD pass):

Free Agents 2005 NFL Standard Stats  Passing Rushing Receiving   Player Att Cmp Yd TD Int Rate Att Yd Avg TD Recpt Yd Avg TD FL FPTS Tomlinson, LaDainian RB SD 4 3 47 3 0 153.1 340 1464 4.3 18 51 370 7.3 2 1 362.0 Alexander, Shaun RB SEA 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 370 1880 5.1 27 15 78 5.2 1 1 359.0 Johnson, Larry RB KC 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 336 1750 5.2 20 33 343 10.4 1 4 351.0 Barber, Tiki RB NYG 1 0 0 0 0 39.6 357 1860 5.2 9 54 530 9.8 2 1 346.0 Smith, Steve WR CAR 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 4 25 6.2 1 103 1563 15.2 12 1 325.0 James, Edgerrin RB ARI 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 360 1506 4.2 13 44 337 7.7 1 1 304.0 Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 8 41 5.1 0 103 1409 13.7 10 0 291.0 Holt, Torry WR STL 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 1 2 2.0 0 102 1331 13.0 9 1 284.0 Jordan, LaMont RB OAK 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 272 1025 3.8 9 70 563 8.0 2 1 282.0 Moss, Santana WR WAS 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 3 -3 -1.0 0 84 1483 17.7 9 1 282.0 Johnson, Chad WR CIN 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 5 33 6.6 0 97 1432 14.8 9 0 279.0 Boldin, Anquan WR ARI 1 0 0 0 0 39.6 12 45 3.8 0 102 1398 13.7 7 1 274.0 Galloway, Joey WR TB 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 2 4 2.0 0 83 1287 15.5 10 0 271.0 Palmer, Carson QB CIN  509 345 3836 32 12 101.1 33 44 1.3 1 0 0 0.0 0 2 271.0 Harrison, Marvin WR IND 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 82 1146 14.0 12 0 266.0 Portis, Clinton RB WAS 2 1 17 1 0 118.8 352 1516 4.3 11 30 216 7.2 0 2 263.0 Brady, Tom QB NE  530 334 4110 26 14 92.3 27 89 3.3 1 0 0 0.0 0 3 250.0 Manning, Peyton QB IND 453 305 3747 28 10 104.1 33 45 1.4 0 0 0 0.0 0 2 245.0 Gates, Antonio TE SD 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 89 1101 12.4 10 0 245.0 Chambers, Chris WR MIA 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 12 92 7.7 0 82 1118 13.6 11 2 244.0 Johnson, Rudi RB CIN 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 337 1458 4.3 12 23 90 3.9 0 0 239.0 Ward, Hines WR PIT 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 3 10 3.3 0 69 975 14.1 11 1 231.0 Jackson, Steven RB STL 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 254 1046 4.1 8 43 320 7.4 2 3 231.0 Burress, Plaxico WR NYG 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 76 1214 16.0 7 1 230.0 Driver, Donald WR GB 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 2 13 6.5 0 86 1221 14.2 5 0 228.0 Vick, Michael QB ATL 387 214 2412 15 13 73.1 101 610 6.0 6 1 -14 -14.0 0 5 226.0 Manning, Eli QB NYG 558 294 3762 24 17 75.7 30 80 2.7 1 0 0 0.0 0 2 226.0 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA 450 294 3455 24 10 97.0 36 124 3.4 1 0 0 0.0 0 1 225.0 Bledsoe, Drew QB DAL 499 300 3639 23 17 83.7 34 50 1.5 2 0 0 0.0 0 8 224.0 Brees, Drew QB NO 500 323 3576 24 15 89.2 21 49 2.3 1 0 0 0.0 0 5 223.0

 

[Knowlt]

I guess a couple people need to read the VBD article huh?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I guess a couple people need to read the VBD article huh?

It is all about supply and demand. In a 16 team PPR league where there will be (on average) 24 RB starters and 56 WR/TE starters you need to adjust your thinking after the premier RBs are taken. After LJ, LT, Alexander and Tiki are gone, RBs 5-24 averaged 203.5 points in 2005. The difference between 5 (Edge) and 24 (Jamal Lewis) was 152 points. Edge topped the average 6-24 RBs by 106 points. As for WR/TEs, the top 56 (all starters in this league) averaged 192 points in 2005. The difference between 1 (Steve Smith) and 56 (Antonio Chatman) was 204 points. Smith topped the average 2-56 WR/TEs by 136 points.