Impeachment Poll (1 Viewer)

[skol asylum]

Based on what you know today, should POTUS be impeached? If so, should he be removed from office?

Try to look only at the facts and set aside partisan leanings. You have the constitutional duty to make these decisions. I'm not asking what you think will happen or what do you want to happen. What path should the facts lead you to?

 

[skol asylum]

Early returns appear to clear the 2/3 majority necessary pretty easily.

 

[ZEKEPA]

Thankfully the country does not mirror the gang at this forum. He may be impeached, he will not be removed. He will also win another four years. 

 

[jamny]

I was actually going to suggest that if a poll can be created that can block all comments, I'd love to see a similar one like this in the FFA to gauge the opinions of more of the "general public". But that would have to meet moderator approval.

 

[msommer]

Early returns appear to clear the 2/3 majority necessary pretty easily.

Don't forget this is a "liberal echo chamber"

 

[Navin Johnson]

I was actually going to suggest that if a poll can be created that can block all comments, I'd love to see a similar one like this in the FFA to gauge the opinions of more of the "general public". But that would have to meet moderator approval.

you realize nobody is forcing you to read the comments, right?

 

[AAABatteries]

you realize nobody is forcing you to read the comments, right?

Pretty sure he means we aren’t supposed to discuss politics over there not that he wouldn’t want to read the comments.

 

[jamny]

you realize nobody is forcing you to read the comments, right?

I only suggest that because political talk is not allowed in the FFA, so this was a way around it.

I realize that I am not forced to read the comments.

eta: I should have scrolled down one post...lol

 

[Navin Johnson]

I only suggest that because political talk is not allowed in the FFA, so this was a way around it.

I realize that I am not forced to read the comments.

eta: I should have scrolled down one post...lol

I should really have my coffee before getting online

 

[sho nuff]

I should really have my coffee before getting online

I have made that mistake before...thats pretty much a good tip for anything.  Have coffee first. 

 

[Navin Johnson]

I have made that mistake before...thats pretty much a good tip for anything.  Have coffee first. 

Went back an re-read the post and was asking myself 'Really?'

 

[Kal El]

He'll be impeached, but I doubt he'll actually get removed. The Republicans have put Trump over both party and country, and they're going to ride it off whatever cliff is ahead of them.

 

[skol asylum]

He'll be impeached, but I doubt he'll actually get removed. The Republicans have put Trump over both party and country, and they're going to ride it off whatever cliff is ahead of them.

I agree, but I'm asking what you personally would do put in a position of voting based on the facts and setting aside any political leanings.

 

[Kal El]

I agree, but I'm asking what you personally would do put in a position of voting based on the facts and setting aside any political leanings.

I'd vote to remove him from office. I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I wanted him to still do well for the nation. That hasn't happened, in fact, things have gotten worse all over. But that's not the point, I believe he violated his oath of office in doing what he did.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I’m indifferent about impeachment but strongly favor removal.

 

[skol asylum]

I’m indifferent about impeachment but strongly favor removal.

He does seem like a strong candidate for article 4 of the 25th Amendment.

 

[jon_mx]

November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

A new Emerson poll finds President Trump’s approval has increased in the last month with 48% approval and 47% disapproval, a bounce from 43% approval in the last Emerson National poll in October. Support for impeachment has flipped since October from 48% support with 44% opposing to now 45% opposed and 43% in support. The biggest swing is among Independents, who oppose impeachment now 49% to 34%, which is a reversal from October where they supported impeachment 48% to 39%.

The impeachment hearings are being watched or followed by 69% of voters. A plurality (26%) is getting their information from Fox News, 24% are getting their information from 1 of the 3 network stations (ABC, NBC, CBS), 16% are watching CNN, 15% MSNBC and 19% are going somewhere else for their information.

The president’s support in the Republican primary increased this month to 93% against primary challengers Bill Weld and Joe Walsh. Trump's head to head matchups in the General Election against the top Democratic candidates have also tightened since October, now trailing Sanders by 1 point and leading his other three potential opponents.

 

[skol asylum]

November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

A new Emerson poll finds President Trump’s approval has increased in the last month with 48% approval and 47% disapproval, a bounce from 43% approval in the last Emerson National poll in October. Support for impeachment has flipped since October from 48% support with 44% opposing to now 45% opposed and 43% in support. The biggest swing is among Independents, who oppose impeachment now 49% to 34%, which is a reversal from October where they supported impeachment 48% to 39%.

The impeachment hearings are being watched or followed by 69% of voters. A plurality (26%) is getting their information from Fox News, 24% are getting their information from 1 of the 3 network stations (ABC, NBC, CBS), 16% are watching CNN, 15% MSNBC and 19% are going somewhere else for their information.

The president’s support in the Republican primary increased this month to 93% against primary challengers Bill Weld and Joe Walsh. Trump's head to head matchups in the General Election against the top Democratic candidates have also tightened since October, now trailing Sanders by 1 point and leading his other three potential opponents.

Interesting. Fox News carrying the water for POTUS yet again and spinning to help keep him adrift.

 

[jon_mx]

Interesting. Fox News carrying the water for POTUS yet again and spinning to help keep him adrift.

While ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC spread propaganda for Democrats.    

 

[Kal El]

While ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC spread propaganda for Democrats.    

The latter two definitely, the others aren't as bad as either Fox or MSNBC. 

 

[jon_mx]

The latter two definitely, the others aren't as bad as either Fox or MSNBC. 

Not as bad, but still painfully obvious which side they support.

 

[Kal El]

Not as bad, but still painfully obvious which side they support.

I've leaned conservative on many issues for most of my life, but it took me far too long to realize that I might be wrong on some things.

 

[sho nuff]

Not as bad, but still painfully obvious which side they support.

It is?  How so?

I dont think either are pushing propaganda for democrats at all.

 

[skol asylum]

Not as bad, but still painfully obvious which side they support.

Yeah, the side of truth. Especially in this case.

 

[JohnnyU]

These kind of polls make those in a liberal leftist forum feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  Most who post here already know the outcome before the first vote.   They just have the need to feel good.

 

[AAABatteries]

November National Poll: Support for Impeachment Declines; Biden and Sanders Lead Democratic Primary

A new Emerson poll finds President Trump’s approval has increased in the last month with 48% approval and 47% disapproval, a bounce from 43% approval in the last Emerson National poll in October. Support for impeachment has flipped since October from 48% support with 44% opposing to now 45% opposed and 43% in support. The biggest swing is among Independents, who oppose impeachment now 49% to 34%, which is a reversal from October where they supported impeachment 48% to 39%.

The impeachment hearings are being watched or followed by 69% of voters. A plurality (26%) is getting their information from Fox News, 24% are getting their information from 1 of the 3 network stations (ABC, NBC, CBS), 16% are watching CNN, 15% MSNBC and 19% are going somewhere else for their information.

The president’s support in the Republican primary increased this month to 93% against primary challengers Bill Weld and Joe Walsh. Trump's head to head matchups in the General Election against the top Democratic candidates have also tightened since October, now trailing Sanders by 1 point and leading his other three potential opponents.

This poll has gone 43, 48, 43, 48 (approval).  Those seem like fairly big swings.  The next one should be interesting if it dips again.

 

[skol asylum]

These kind of polls make those in a liberal leftist forum feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  Most who post here already know the outcome before the first vote.   They just have the need to feel good.

The point wasn't to make any one feel good. The point was to see how a group of people who are paying fairly close attention to the impeachment proceedings would vote based on the facts as they see them. If anything it reinforces feelings of frustration because as you mentioned we know the outcome. The Senate GOP is bought and paid for and will not execute their duty to the Constitution in good faith. It's wrong and it's sad.

 

[Phil Elliott]

The point wasn't to make any one feel good. The point was to see how a group of people who are paying fairly close attention to the impeachment proceedings would vote based on the facts as they see them. If anything it reinforces feelings of frustration because as you mentioned we know the outcome. The Senate GOP is bought and paid for and will not execute their duty to the Constitution in good faith. It's wrong and it's sad.

It seems you went from “I want to see what the FFA thinks” to the GOP is crooked. Any thoughts on the integrity of the Dems?

 

[jon_mx]

I've leaned conservative on many issues for most of my life, but it took me far too long to realize that I might be wrong on some things.

There is plenty wrong on both sides.  

 

[Kal El]

There is plenty wrong on both sides.  

Also true, but what I don't see is people willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, they might have a wrong view on something. A sign of maturity is admitting being wrong and subsequently changing their mindset.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Also true, but what I don't see is people willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, they might have a wrong view on something. A sign of maturity is admitting being wrong and subsequently changing their mindset.

“Wrong” is kind of subjective. Lot of things go into views people have. I agree both sides have issues.

 

[skol asylum]

It seems you went from “I want to see what the FFA thinks” to the GOP is crooked. Any thoughts on the integrity of the Dems?

Plenty of issues with members on both sides, but this thread is specifically about impeachment.

Tell me, does this seem ok to you?

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084

As I said. Bought and paid for. Our system is broken. 

 

[jon_mx]

Plenty of issues with members on both sides, but this thread is specifically about impeachment.

Tell me, does this seem ok to you?

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084

As I said. Bought and paid for. Our system is broken. 

Actually; seems perfectly ok.

"Trump is tapping his vast fundraising network for a handful of loyal senators facing tough reelection bids in 2020. "

Isn't that what every party does?  You don't think you could substitute Clinton or Obama or even Carter in for Trump on that one?

 

[Kal El]

“Wrong” is kind of subjective. Lot of things go into views people have. I agree both sides have issues.

One way I use to determine if something is wrong is if it causes them harm. It's not flawless, but it helps.

 

[skol asylum]

Actually; seems perfectly ok.

"Trump is tapping his vast fundraising network for a handful of loyal senators facing tough reelection bids in 2020. "

Isn't that what every party does?  You don't think you could substitute Clinton or Obama or even Carter in for Trump on that one?

So it's ok to bankroll members of the jury? Seriously?

 

[jon_mx]

So it's ok to bankroll members of the jury? Seriously?

It is perfectly OK for the leader of a political party to try to help their party win races.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

These kind of polls make those in a liberal leftist forum feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  Most who post here already know the outcome before the first vote.   They just have the need to feel good.

I think part of the discussion around Joe's recent efforts is that it's been revealed that a good number of people here are not really liberal leftists. Just one poll here revealed that 2/3s of those responding had voted for a Republican for president.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Plenty of issues with members on both sides, but this thread is specifically about impeachment.

Tell me, does this seem ok to you?

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084

As I said. Bought and paid for. Our system is broken. 

I think many people agree with you. I agree with you at a higher level of both parties. I think its easy to pick out a specific story on either side. Money, promise/threat of  committee assignments, arm twisting is all part of politics and garnering support for votes. If I was going to be impeached by The House, I would be doing everything I could to make sure I had the Senate’s support. Regardless of whether I was actually guilty or not.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

He'll be impeached, but I doubt he'll actually get removed. The Republicans have put Trump over both party and country, and they're going to ride it off whatever cliff is ahead of them.

I think they already went over the cliff and are simply in denial as they have not yet crashed into the bottom.  Like the man who fell off of the 30 story building being heard to say as he passes each floor on the way down "So far, so good".

 

[FBG Moderator]

Wish-casting.

Let's play... he'll be exiled from the USA along with all of his kompomat supporters, traitors all of them.

Please don't

 

[JohnnyU]

I think part of the discussion around Joe's recent efforts is that it's been revealed that a good number of people here are not really liberal leftists. Just one poll here revealed that 2/3s of those responding had voted for a Republican for president.

Sorry, but this forum is a liberal / leftest safe space.

 

[timschochet]

Sorry, but this forum is a liberal / leftest safe space.

What is the difference, in your opinion, between a liberal and a leftist? 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sorry, but this forum is a liberal / leftest safe space.

The forum is much more Anti Trump than the population at large. That's clear and easy to see how our approval ratings for Trump compare to the national ratings. 

It is what it is. 

With that said, just understand if you're supportive of President Trump, you're in the strong minority here. That's ok too. My advice would be act the same way you do in any situation where the majority don't look like / think like you: Be on your A game. Be polite but firm. Make good points you can back up. And back them up. Don't attack points you can't backup. 

Be the kind of person that others will say of, "I don't agree with him. But he seems like a good and decent person and one I might listen to". 

That's actually a pretty good way for all of us to act. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Plenty of issues with members on both sides, but this thread is specifically about impeachment.

Tell me, does this seem ok to you?

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084

As I said. Bought and paid for. Our system is broken. 

Thanks for providing the link. That's helpful. To be sure I understand what you're saying, are you saying a President should not be allowed to campaign for and help fundraise for members of Congress who are supporting issues he's for?

 

[JohnnyU]

The forum is much more Anti Trump than the population at large. That's clear and easy to see how our approval ratings for Trump compare to the national ratings. 

It is what it is. 

With that said, just understand if you're supportive of President Trump, you're in the strong minority here. That's ok too. My advice would be act the same way you do in any situation where the majority don't look like / think like you: Be on your A game. Be polite but firm. Make good points you can back up. And back them up. Don't attack points you can't backup. 

Be the kind of person that others will say of, "I don't agree with him. But he seems like a good and decent person and one I might listen to". 

That's actually a pretty good way for all of us to act. 

Calling a forum a liberal safe space isn't being not nice, or am I missing something? 

 

[JohnnyU]

What is the difference, in your opinion, between a liberal and a leftist? 

Hard to articulate the differences, but I like this one:

"Liberals and leftists want many of the same things: reduced income inequality, better working conditions, more affordable housing and health care. There are differences of degrees. A liberal wants the gap between rich and poor to shrink; a communist wants no class differences at all. They're very different when it comes to foreign policy: Liberals support some wars of choice, whereas leftists would only turn to the military for self-defense."  The far left wants / promises things that would wreck havoc on our economy. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Calling a forum a liberal safe space isn't being not nice, or am I missing something? 

No. I'm saying it's not overly helpful. 

Way better to just be productive. 

 

[beef]

Hard to articulate the differences, but I like this one:

"Liberals and leftists want many of the same things: reduced income inequality, better working conditions, more affordable housing and health care. There are differences of degrees. A liberal wants the gap between rich and poor to shrink; a communist wants no class differences at all. They're very different when it comes to foreign policy: Liberals support some wars of choice, whereas leftists would only turn to the military for self-defense."  The far left wants / promises things that would wreck havoc on our economy. 

I don't know any Liberal or Progressive that supports either of these (bolded).

 

[jon_mx]

I don't know any Liberal or Progressive that supports either of these (bolded).

The New Green Deal.

 

[beef]

The New Green Deal.

Fair point, Jon.  I'd agree that is probably the most progressive plan I'm aware of.  To be honest - I'm sure there is a big thread here on it but I haven't spent much in it - I don't know all the details about it.  I never really felt it could get passed into law, even with a Democratic WH and Congress.

I'll take your point and read more about the details of the GND.   I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection to communism, or the economic shift from gas/oil to new technologies and efficiency wouldn't have some sort of offset or long term gains.