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importance of handcuffing top 5 RB (1 Viewer)

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say what you have is a solid team (in your humble opinion)

1 top 5 qb (servicable backup for bye week) .. 1 top 5 rb, other two rb's are servicable (all are primary backs, not hurt or on suspension etc. prob top 20), and bye weeks fall in line. top 3 wr and 2 other top 20 wr's and servicable backups for bye weeks.

now to my question

Would you trade a backup WR who has tremendous potential... ie Jerry Porter, for your top 5 rb's ie. Larry Johnson handcuff.??

keep in mind, Jerry would only see your lineup on a bye week and only if the matchup is right. and Bennett would only see your lineup if LJ was hurt.... for an extended period of time.

********** my opinion.... LJ/TOP 5 rb is the starter for a reason, and if LJ was to get hurt, Bennett (handcuff) would only see time in a RBBC scenario... Bennett's primary role has always been a 3rd down back and a change of pace and could never handle a full load for a full season plus is not a touchdown machine.

You could say the same for many "backups"/"handcuffs" with the exception of Michael Turner.....who is a friggin stud....

BTW - if you want me to tell you the names of the specific team players, I will but would rather not.

FWIW - 14 team redraft (auction)

 
Funny you mention Porter. I traded Porter for S. Morris to go along with Maroney. Of course, Morris has some value unrelated to his handcuff function.

 
I'd rather have a handcuff who I think would get a majority of carries than a WR without a lot of upside, like Porter.

 
I traded bench players to cuff LT this year. I was lucky and drafted both AD and CT. Now I have both my RB's cuffed and neither cuff should be in a RBBC if my starters go down.

To get Turner I traded JJ+Dallas Clark+Ted Ginn for KJ+Turner+Gonzo. Assuming Gonzo>Clark then I got a little upgrade too. The downside is if KJ isn't ready by week 5 I won't get much from him in Week 5 and 7, but JJ probably wouldn't have done much anyways.

It's worth it for me since I now don't have to worry about my RB's for the rest of the year.

Also I think it's better to cuff them now before they get hurt-otherwise you're going to pay arm+leg for your backup if he's rostered by another owner.

 
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Not a value trade imo. If your stud back goes down that handcuff RB probably isn't going to be enough to get the job done over an entire season, but if it's getting late in the season and you want to protect yourself for the fantasy playoffs...then pull the trigger. Making that trade right now doesn't help your team as much as having a player to start when they have good match-ups, during bye weeks, or in case a starting WR gets injured.

I traded bench players to cuff LT this year. I was lucky and drafted both AD and CT. Now I have both my RB's cuffed and neither cuff should be in a RBBC if my starters go down.
If the handcuff is a Michael Turner type back-up RB (ie, "proven") then I would say it makes sense.
 
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I stopped handcuffing a while back. There's not guarantee that the backup will produce just as well as the starter and if it's a by-committee then it's isn't worth the roster spot.

 
I'd rather have a handcuff who I think would get a majority of carries than a WR without a lot of upside, like Porter.
curious and I will try to be careful here... Bennett has never had the majority of carries except in 2002, what makes you think he will be primary behind LJ when the O line is designed for a big bruising backYear Rushing Receiving Year Team G GS Att Yd Avg Lg TD Recpt Yd Avg Lg TD 2006 KC 11 0 36 200 5.6 41 0 9 77 8.6 14 0 2005 MIN 16 6 126 473 3.8 61 3 27 124 4.6 20 2 2004 MIN 11 7 70 276 3.9 25 1 21 207 9.9 38 1 2003 MIN 8 7 90 447 5.0 28 1 12 132 11.0 40 0 2002 MIN 16 16 255 1296 5.1 85 5 37 351 9.5 45 1 2001 MIN 13 13 172 682 4.0 31 2 29 226 7.8 80 1
 
I think you make the move to protect yourself for a few weeks - a b/u ina stud's roile generally makes a solid RB2 - not a top-5 substitute.

It's a good move mid-season or if it doesn't significantly hurt your depth elsewhere.

I drafted Betts solely b/c I have Portis but I do not think I want Michael Bennett just b/c I have LJ.

 
I agree, if your handcuff is a legitimate RB who can handle the load,

ie Michael Turner, I would't hesitate to deal a nice WR prospect plus _____.

But if we are talking about Sammy Morris, I think not.

We need to look at whether or not the RB can handle the full load.

 
After watching what Morris did after Alexander went out last year, or lack there of, I put a lot less emphasis on handcuffing. Unless it's someone like Turner that you think can really produce, I don't see the urgency like some of my league mates.

 
The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.

Robinson behind Gore?

Michael Bernnett?

Kenton Keith?

At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.

 
I think you make the move to protect yourself for a few weeks - a b/u ina stud's roile generally makes a solid RB2 - not a top-5 substitute.It's a good move mid-season or if it doesn't significantly hurt your depth elsewhere.I drafted Betts solely b/c I have Portis but I do not think I want Michael Bennett just b/c I have LJ.
my thoughts .... we are barely 1 week into a season... every player on your roster is a starter (albiet maybe a 1 # 3 wr..... ) to give up. there will be plenty of RB's available over the next few weeks, maybe even a top 15er... (we do blind auction waivers BTW) ... If I was to move a player like porter for a RB... I lwould like to know I will get some kind of production out of him. I like your point of a top 5 backup is NOT necessarily a top 5 SUBSTITUTE....thankshmmmmm
 
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The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.Robinson behind Gore?Michael Bernnett?Kenton Keith?At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.
so am I allowed to hijack my own thread... (unless this is an AC type question)... so who would you focus on trying to handcuff... the only ones that comes to mind for me as a true handcuff would be LT = TurnerAddia = KeithJackson = Minor.......... maybe not :jawdrop:
 
For an LT2 owner, Turner is definitely worth a WR3/4- Porter is more like a WR5.

As an LJ owner myself, I wouldnt even pick up Bennett off waivers. If LJ goes down, there is no way the Chiefs will do anything on offense. Bennett would have no value. Remember Mo Morris as a starter last year?

 
The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.Robinson behind Gore?Michael Bernnett?Kenton Keith?At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.
so am I allowed to hijack my own thread... (unless this is an AC type question)... so who would you focus on trying to handcuff... the only ones that comes to mind for me as a true handcuff would be LT = TurnerAddia = KeithJackson = Minor.......... maybe not :goodposting:
LT - Turner.Portis - BettsADP - CTBush - DeuceMJD - TaylorThat's about it. MBIII - JJ maybe, TBell to KJonesSome of those are unrealistic or too expensive or whatever. There might be one or two more, but I am not hanging myself out to get Keith or Minor. Not Minor b/c I donlt think he will do well w/o Pace (SJax will be fine) Not Keith b/c I don't know enough about him.
 
First, do you start the WR you'd trade? What's the loss to your team if you trade him?

Next, does the backup RB have the talent to succeed? To score more than that WR you'd trade? Will it be one RB starting or RBBC? Most backup RBs are backups for a reason, few will become a workhorse.

Which of the two is more likely to help you win a championship? This is all that matters in the end.

 
First, do you start the WR you'd trade? What's the loss to your team if you trade him? Next, does the backup RB have the talent to succeed? To score more than that WR you'd trade? Will it be one RB starting or RBBC? Most backup RBs are backups for a reason, few will become a workhorse. Which of the two is more likely to help you win a championship? This is all that matters in the end.
to answer your questions for this senario, lets say no to the wr being a starter, as mentioned in the first post, he is only a bye week replacement, and only if the matchup is right.RB.. Does Michael Bennedict have the ability to succeed??? well he has been in the league since 2001.... does that mean he can? is it the O line?, is it having a good QB....that is why I was asking, handcuffing is good, but where do you draw the line and what should it cost you, as stated by previous posters, M Turner, probably worth giving up something... I am trying to put a finger on just how far do you go, what is the stopping point where risk no longer equals reward.heck if you pick up your handcuff via waivers and have an empty \ drop slot... those are easy, what do you give up for a hand cuff and where does it stop?
 
After watching what Morris did after Alexander went out last year, or lack there of, I put a lot less emphasis on handcuffing. Unless it's someone like Turner that you think can really produce, I don't see the urgency like some of my league mates.
:goodposting: I adopted a dynasty team this past offseason w/ both SA and Morris - and proceeded to drop Morris' sorry #### asap. Just b/c there's increased 'opportunity' doesn't necessarially mean the #s will follow.Turner (and IMO Kenton Keith due to team/system) over a WR5 like Porter - YES.Bennett, Morris, etc. (non RBBC guys) no way.
 
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I'd cover my bye weeks first and then trade for hand-cuffs after the WRs cover those. Since you don't want to give specific names it is hard to describe. A backup that would take over on a good team as the sole RB is worth it. Another backup (such as Bennett) will not produce and is not worth it.

LT/Turner, Addai/Kenton, JJones/MB3, Deuce/Bush are worth it.

How far would I go? I wouldn't risk my team's ability to field 3 good WR with good matchups for a handcuff.

 
First, do you start the WR you'd trade? What's the loss to your team if you trade him? Next, does the backup RB have the talent to succeed? To score more than that WR you'd trade? Will it be one RB starting or RBBC? Most backup RBs are backups for a reason, few will become a workhorse. Which of the two is more likely to help you win a championship? This is all that matters in the end.
to answer your questions for this senario, lets say no to the wr being a starter, as mentioned in the first post, he is only a bye week replacement, and only if the matchup is right.RB.. Does Michael Bennedict have the ability to succeed??? well he has been in the league since 2001.... does that mean he can? is it the O line?, is it having a good QB....that is why I was asking, handcuffing is good, but where do you draw the line and what should it cost you, as stated by previous posters, M Turner, probably worth giving up something... I am trying to put a finger on just how far do you go, what is the stopping point where risk no longer equals reward.heck if you pick up your handcuff via waivers and have an empty \ drop slot... those are easy, what do you give up for a hand cuff and where does it stop?
I kept things general, as I don't necessarily have the same opinions on RBs as you may. As others have, I look at the top 5:1. LT - Turner is certainly worth a WR4, probably much more. Great OL + talent.2. SJAX - as Marc said, I'd take Leonard, he's probably worth the same as your WR4. OL is questionable now, but I still like Leonard's talent.3. LJ - The KC of a couple years ago meant their backup RB would probably do well, that's no longer the case, and Bennett doesn't have the talent to succeed without a good OL. So I don't care to trade for him.4. Gore - Robinson doesn't seem worth a WR4 to me, but he'll probably be cheaper5. Addai - Keith is worth a waiver pick, probably all he'll cost6. Portis - Betts is worth a WR4, good OLThen of course, many other teams are closer to RBBC, both RBs are worth more than a WR4
 
The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.Robinson behind Gore?Michael Bernnett?Kenton Keith?At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.
so am I allowed to hijack my own thread... (unless this is an AC type question)... so who would you focus on trying to handcuff... the only ones that comes to mind for me as a true handcuff would be LT = TurnerAddia = KeithJackson = Minor.......... maybe not :thumbup:
Portis = Betts (he proved he could be a good starter last year)
 
The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.Robinson behind Gore?Michael Bernnett?Kenton Keith?At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.
so am I allowed to hijack my own thread... (unless this is an AC type question)... so who would you focus on trying to handcuff... the only ones that comes to mind for me as a true handcuff would be LT = TurnerAddia = KeithJackson = Minor.......... maybe not :censored:
LT - Turner.Portis - BettsADP - CTBush - DeuceMJD - TaylorThat's about it. MBIII - JJ maybe, TBell to KJonesSome of those are unrealistic or too expensive or whatever. There might be one or two more, but I am not hanging myself out to get Keith or Minor. Not Minor b/c I donlt think he will do well w/o Pace (SJax will be fine) Not Keith b/c I don't know enough about him.
Portis/Betts, Bush/Deuce, MJD/Taylor, and MBIII/JJ are not a handcuff situation- not even CLOSE. Last week, Betts, Bush, and MJD all received more touches than the starting RB. MBIII received fewer touches than JJ, but he still touched the ball 12 times and finished with more yards and TDs. All four cases are CLEARLY RBBCs, and are situations where the "backup" has very strong value whether the starter ever goes down or not. Even if the "starter" never gets hurt, I would expect all four "backups" to still finish in the top 30 this season- that makes them all great bye week fill-ins and solid flex starters. I also don't consider TBell a handcuff to KJones, since TBell is currently starting and KJones is currently injured- you don't hear Derrick Ward being mentioned as a handcuff to Brandon Jacobs for the same reason.The other handcuff pairs I'd consider worthwhile would be Tomlinson/Turner, and as a longshot in deep leagues, Addai/Keith and Henry/Young, just because of the potential from their respective systems. Outside of that, I probably wouldn't bother.Oh, and I think Norwood is worth owning outside of a "handcuff" role. I think he's destined to become the featured back this year. I'd make a strong push to acquire him on the cheap, but not as an attempt to handcuff Dunn.
 
After Addai went down last week and Keith came in to do pretty well, I cannot believe more people (especially Addai owners) are not picking this guy up. I'm in a league with 12 teams- 20 roster spots and he was still a FA. Owned in only 20% of CBS leagues, I'm not sure what needs to happen short of Addai getting seriously hurt for this guy to get noticed.

 
What is the true value of handcuffing a top five?

I know that you can't predict injuries, but how often does a top 5 RB (from the previous year) go down to warrant even having the handcuff? To me warranting having the handcuff would be either multiple weeks of use during weeks 1-13 or something to fall back on during the playoffs, while providing about 75% of the top 5 RB's production.

Over the last 5 years, the only handcuff I can think of being of value would be LJ the year Priest went down and that's arguable as to whether LJ was a true handcuff anyway at the time of Priest's injury.

In all, I think handcuffs are pretty over-rated when you are talking about handcuffing stud RBs.

 
The only one I think this is worth it is Michael Turner.

Robinson behind Gore?

Michael Bernnett?

Kenton Keith?

At this point inthe seasson, I'd keep my depth at WR. In a few weeks, I might want to back them up with those guys for my playoff push.
so am I allowed to hijack my own thread... (unless this is an AC type question)... so who would you focus on trying to handcuff... the only ones that comes to mind for me as a true handcuff would be LT = Turner

Addia = Keith

Jackson = Minor.......... maybe not :confused:
LT - Turner.Portis - Betts

ADP - CT

Bush - Deuce

MJD - Taylor

That's about it. MBIII - JJ maybe, TBell to KJones

Some of those are unrealistic or too expensive or whatever. There might be one or two more, but I am not hanging myself out to get Keith or Minor. Not Minor b/c I donlt think he will do well w/o Pace (SJax will be fine) Not Keith b/c I don't know enough about him.
Portis/Betts, Bush/Deuce, MJD/Taylor, and MBIII/JJ are not a handcuff situation- not even CLOSE. Last week, Betts, Bush, and MJD all received more touches than the starting RB. MBIII received fewer touches than JJ, but he still touched the ball 12 times and finished with more yards and TDs. All four cases are CLEARLY RBBCs, and are situations where the "backup" has very strong value whether the starter ever goes down or not.
I strongly disagree on this point - I agree on JJ-MBIII and Bush Deuce being RBBC the rest of this year (that's why I followed that with the disclaimer bolded above) - I believe Portis will be the starter and will not be mired in RBBC once the team is confident in his health. I see a 325-100 touch split there with Betts outdistancing Portis in receptions, but Portis way outdistancing Betts in carries. MJ-D, IMO, will take over starting plus dominant touches this year. Taylor may have 100 touches with almost no receoptions, but MJ-D will have 300-ish touches. That is not an RBBC, IMO.Regardless, it is helpful to have both players in those pairs, which was the reason for their inclusion. It is not realistic to try and trade for any of those guys in the four pairs you highlighted and, if you have one or the other, it'll cost you way more than a WR3/4 to get the other one.

As for your other points, agreed that Bell-Jones is not a "handcuff" situation, but you need to have both of them to have the Lions' running game- at least for the next two weeks or so.

And, man, I think we are going to go round and round with the broncos' running game again this year. Young? Sapp? Bell? It is too much a crapshoot RIGHT NOW to know who to handcuff to Henry.

 
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Oh, and I think Norwood is worth owning outside of a "handcuff" role. I think he's destined to become the featured back this year. I'd make a strong push to acquire him on the cheap, but not as an attempt to handcuff Dunn.
Forgot to address this - I agree with you on this point. Now is the time to move on Norwood. Dunn is still the starting back and might be for the next few weeks.
 
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Sammy Morris who is backing up Laurence Maroney of the Pats. Since Maroney is probably the most injury prone RB is his backup worth a roster slot? Since I am in a 10 team auction league with only 14 spots on each roster having a RB means that I must drop a decent player. IMO a handcuff is not worth it. This is because my RBs include FWP, Lamont Jordan, Ahman Green, Cadillac Williams. My answer is that it depends on what the owner thinks of his other backs. I believe that if Maroney goes down my backup backs can produce as good as the Maroney backup. This is just my thoughts.

 
I think you make the move to protect yourself for a few weeks - a b/u ina stud's roile generally makes a solid RB2 - not a top-5 substitute.

It's a good move mid-season or if it doesn't significantly hurt your depth elsewhere.

I drafted Betts solely b/c I have Portis but I do not think I want Michael Bennett just b/c I have LJ.
Especially not this year with that offense being what it is!!
 
No. When it comes to running backs, I always fill my rosters with guys who I think will have more opportunity. Instead of handcuffing, I'd be targeting guys like Adrian Peterson (the one in Chicago), Jesse Chatman, Michael Pittman, etc.

 
I stopped handcuffing a while back. There's not guarantee that the backup will produce just as well as the starter and if it's a by-committee then it's isn't worth the roster spot.
I agree with you on this. Last two years I have had LT and not handcuffed him with Turner. Other owner drafted him by the 10th rd both times and not going to waste a pick like that on a guy that might play. Got better players for bye weeks. Too many people are buying into the notion that you have to handcuff a stud player and thus driving owners to take a much earlier pick to get those type of players.
 
Marc Levin said:
I strongly disagree on this point - I agree on JJ-MBIII and Bush Deuce being RBBC the rest of this year (that's why I followed that with the disclaimer bolded above) - I believe Portis will be the starter and will not be mired in RBBC once the team is confident in his health. I see a 325-100 touch split there with Betts outdistancing Portis in receptions, but Portis way outdistancing Betts in carries. MJ-D, IMO, will take over starting plus dominant touches this year. Taylor may have 100 touches with almost no receoptions, but MJ-D will have 300-ish touches. That is not an RBBC, IMO.Regardless, it is helpful to have both players in those pairs, which was the reason for their inclusion. It is not realistic to try and trade for any of those guys in the four pairs you highlighted and, if you have one or the other, it'll cost you way more than a WR3/4 to get the other one.As for your other points, agreed that Bell-Jones is not a "handcuff" situation, but you need to have both of them to have the Lions' running game- at least for the next two weeks or so.And, man, I think we are going to go round and round with the broncos' running game again this year. Young? Sapp? Bell? It is too much a crapshoot RIGHT NOW to know who to handcuff to Henry.
No way does MJD become a featured back with a 3:1 touch advantage over Taylor. The team invested too much into Taylor, and he's too old, to just use him as a backup. As for Portis and Betts... I know it's not going to be a popular opinion, but I see Betts finishing the season with about 50-66% as many touches as Portis, and I think he'll present enough value with those limited touches that he'll be worth owning even if you don't own Portis.As for the Broncos running game... I actually liked what I saw out of Selvin when Henry was hurt in week 1. I think you'll have a huge carry split, but you know what? That doesn't really bother me. Selvin will be in line for the larger portion of the split, and we've seen in the past that even 50% of the carries in Denver gives you solid fantasy value. He'd probably be the last guy on my bench, but he's a gamble that I think is worth taking, because he's the type of player who could potentially win you leagues.
 
shuke said:
No. When it comes to running backs, I always fill my rosters with guys who I think will have more opportunity. Instead of handcuffing, I'd be targeting guys like Adrian Peterson (the one in Chicago), Jesse Chatman, Michael Pittman, etc.
I agree wif Shuke. Except for maybe Jesse Chatman.
 
No one has mentioned the value of Davenport as a handcuff for FWP. I think if FWP were to go down for any period of time, Davenport would produce well in his absence. He seems to understand the offense, is a good receiver out of the backfield, and has looked strong in his opportunites. PIT will always lean to some extent on the running game and I don't think they'd change their identity if FWP were to miss time.

 
That's the going rate in my leagues. Trade Leonard to a guy for Drew Bennett. Traded Welker away for Mike Bell to back up my Henry (back when we thought Bell was gonna be the backup).

 
I see Betts finishing the season with about 50-66% as many touches as Portis, and I think he'll present enough value with those limited touches that he'll be worth owning even if you don't own Portis.
He was drafted in the mid to early late rounds of almost every draft - he will not be dropped absent injury - he is only acquirable through trade.
Trade Leonard to a guy for Drew Bennett. Traded Welker away for Mike Bell to back up my Henry (back when we thought Bell was gonna be the backup).
Woz - you must be in a non-PPR league. Even if you are not in a non-PPR league, I would speask for SSOG and myself when I say you got burned. Mike Bell may be as far down as FOURTH in line for touches behind THenry. To "wrap up" the Denver game, you need Young, Bell and Sapp. That is why I think Henry is "unhandcuffable" (SSOG will differ on the handcuffability of Henry, and will argue that Young is the one you want of those three I mentioned and on that I agree with him).

Meanwhile, while I don;t thihnk he'll have more yards, TDs or FF points than Moss, IO thin Welker has a decent chance to lead the pats in rec. In PPR leagues, he could be the third or fourth best Pats player to have in terms of fantasy (behind Brady Moss, and Maroney if Maroney stays healthy)

 
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Since Maroney is probably the most injury prone RB
Hey #1DetroitFan,Why do you believe Maroney is the "most" injury prone RB?
Marc,I should have said "one of the most injury prone backs". Maroney has not proved that he can handle the load for the entire 16 games. Since Maroney is on my team I hope that he stays health the entire year. After last week it could be that Maroney will be splitting carries with Morris. The splitting of carries could help Maroney's chances of staying healthy. Either way Maroney will not have the number of carries (SJAX, LJ, Alexander) that will make him an elite back. My 2 cents.
 
Since Maroney is probably the most injury prone RB
Hey #1DetroitFan,Why do you believe Maroney is the "most" injury prone RB?
Marc,I should have said "one of the most injury prone backs". Maroney has not proved that he can handle the load for the entire 16 games. Since Maroney is on my team I hope that he stays health the entire year. After last week it could be that Maroney will be splitting carries with Morris. The splitting of carries could help Maroney's chances of staying healthy. Either way Maroney will not have the number of carries (SJAX, LJ, Alexander) that will make him an elite back. My 2 cents.
Much clearer to me.With Caddy hurting already and maroney healthy I thought it was a bit weird. I am less worried about Maroney's health as I am that BB will use all four of his backs (Morris, Evans, Faulk being the other three) Naturally, that will take some touches from Maroney. So, he needs to maximaize every touch to be a good fantasy force.
 
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I traded bench players to cuff LT this year. I was lucky and drafted both AD and CT. Now I have both my RB's cuffed and neither cuff should be in a RBBC if my starters go down.To get Turner I traded JJ+Dallas Clark+Ted Ginn for KJ+Turner+Gonzo. Assuming Gonzo>Clark then I got a little upgrade too. The downside is if KJ isn't ready by week 5 I won't get much from him in Week 5 and 7, but JJ probably wouldn't have done much anyways.It's worth it for me since I now don't have to worry about my RB's for the rest of the year.Also I think it's better to cuff them now before they get hurt-otherwise you're going to pay arm+leg for your backup if he's rostered by another owner.
use some more initials it will make everything more clear :thumbup:
 

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