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[Saints-Man]

Can we let the guy have a career longer than 20 starts before we call him the best of worst of anything?

Great posting!!!Grossman is still very green. Sometimes he looks great, and sometimes he looks confused. Except for the truly greats of the game(Montana, Marino, Elway, Brady) MOST QBs look like him with similar experience. It is probably so pronounced because the Bears are so good. I am a New Orleans fan(obviously) and am very happy with Drew Brees. However, I certainly wouldn't be upset with Grossman as my QB. If he is this inconsistent 2-3 years from now, then you have Jake Plummer. Give this guy some time.When the game was 18-14 today, Grossman was 4-4 on the next drive and led the Bears to a pivotal TD that really shifted the momentum squarely back to the Bears. He did an excellent job on that drive. That is playing clutch in a big game. I can't see what is to complain about that. He is developing into a quality NFL starter. He may not be the next Montana, Brady, or Manning, but those are the elite.

 

[Saints-Man]

I love this. He's performed better in the playoffs than Manning and Brady, and yet he's the worst SB QB ever.

He's had 4-5 bad games this season, sure. Beyond that? He's had an amazing year. And this is his first full season. Let's get over it, folks.

Grossman is horrible. ANY of the other 31 starting QBs in the league (and likely about half of the 2nd-stringers) would also have led the Bears to the Super Bowl if they played the full season with them, including training camp. My dead grandmother could have hit the WIDE OPEN Clark on that play-action pass from the 3 yard line that he sailed into the fifth row.

He makes horrific decisions, and he makes some brutal, head-scratching, awful throws. Chicago is in the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman.... not because of him. And I don't want to be misinterpreted here. I like the Bears. I think they have a lot of heart, and it's good to see such a great, storied franchise have success again. But if you think that Grossman is anything more than a marginal starting QB (and "marginal" is being kind, I assure you), you are sadly mistaken.

As a Saints fan, I am not confident Aaron Brooks would have.

 

[Lateral]

Here are the "Dirty Dozen" who are in the running, in my estimation:- Joe Kapp- Earl Morrall- Craig Morton- Vince Ferragamo- David Woodley- Tony Eason- Jeff Hostetler- Stan Humphries- Chris Chandler- Trent Dilfer- Brad Johnson- Rex Grossman

Jim McMahon should be somewhere on that list. He was serially overrated. He played hurt and was a warrior, but if it wasn't for the Bears defence he would've been a nobody. There are some better quarterbacks on your list than McMahon. Earl Morrall was NFL MVP in 1968 and AFC player of the year in 1972 when he helped Miami to an undefeated season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

...and Bob Griese definitely deserves to be mentioned. That guy is SOOOOOO overrated. He should be taken out of the Hall of Fame also.

I don't see it. Since the merger, he's been one of the better QBs.Griese put up absolutely incredible numbers despite not passing the ball very often. On this list, I've got him as the 12th best QB at adding value over the course of his career. If you look at his per attempt numbers, he's in the top five. He averaged 7.3 Y/A for his career, which was very good for that era.

He was excellent in '71 and '77, and very good from '73 through '78, '77 excluded. He was average in '72 and '79, but played well in limited time in '80.

Of course, his pre-merger work wasn't very good, and that knocks him down a peg. But he's on the upper half of lists of QBs in Super Bowls, not the bottom.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I love this. He's performed better in the playoffs than Manning and Brady, and yet he's the worst SB QB ever. He's had 4-5 bad games this season, sure. Beyond that? He's had an amazing year. And this is his first full season. Let's get over it, folks.

Grossman is horrible. ANY of the other 31 starting QBs in the league (and likely about half of the 2nd-stringers) would also have led the Bears to the Super Bowl if they played the full season with them, including training camp.

In case anyone's forgotten that vaunted Bears defense faded down the stretch, and was picked apart by Seattle just last week while the Chicago running game averaged just over 3ypc.It took every one of Grossman's 282yds passing to win that game, and to say that every other starting QB in the league could have done that is well...wrong.

My dead grandmother could have hit the WIDE OPEN Clark on that play-action pass from the 3 yard line that he sailed into the fifth row.

Yeah, because quarterbacks never miss a wide open receiver on any pass play. Even Brady has missed some wide open, really easy throws the last two weeks (particularly in the Charger game).

 

[Sam Quentin]

Worse than this bum?

x | G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD   R|  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 |	32   233   1 |2 |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 |	53   247   5 |3 |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 |	58   346   7 |4 |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 |	34   145   3 |5 |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |	34   224   2 | * - SB QB year

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Here are the "Dirty Dozen" who are in the running, in my estimation:

- Joe Kapp

- Earl Morrall

- Craig Morton

- Vince Ferragamo

- David Woodley

- Tony Eason

- Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

- Rex Grossman

Obviously, some of these guys aren't THAT bad, and some are well below average. But sometimes you watch Grossman and he looks like the worst QB you've ever seen. Like Heath Shuler bad. Jonathan Quinn bad.

Take Kapp, Morrall, Ferragamo, Hostetler, Chandler and Humphries on the list - they shouldn't be there any more than Plunkett.

 

[stevegamer]

Grossman has a chance to be Woodley bad, but it's unlikely he'll stink up the rest of a short career - his team sin't looking to replace him, and he will outlast Woodley.

Grossman can't hold some of hte guys on this list's jocks, though. I can't believe a former NFL MVP (not SB MVP, but NFL MVP) is on the list. If Earl Morrall belongs on this list, you might as well list every QB who's played in a SB.

 

[PsychoMan]

Rex definitely has some issues, but honestly people, he has played well enough to help his team get to the super bowl. He has made some terrible plays this season, and he has also had some great games. He also has one hell of an arm; but he sorely needs to work on his accuracy and pocket awareness.

Overall, he has had a fine season considering it was his FIRST season starting in the NFL. He's as close to being a rookie without actually being one, since he spent his first couple years injured.

I think it's a bit much (& too early in his career) to call him the worst QB to ever play in the Super Bowl, but if you were to call him the most erratic, or unpredictable, I would be hard pressed to argue with you.

 

[428143]

18-14 Bears, game on the line, Rex finished 6-6, including a 33 yard TD. Rex stepped up, move on...he's still a young QB, but doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on this site, or in the media.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Worse than this bum?

x | G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD   R|  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 |	32   233   1 |2 |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 |	53   247   5 |3 |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 |	58   346   7 |4 |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 |	34   145   3 |5 |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |	34   224   2 | * - SB QB year

well?

 

[TwinTurbo]

The worst Superbowl QB's of all time played against each other in SuperBowl XXXV: Dilfer vs Kerry Collins :X

 

[CalBear]

Here are the "Dirty Dozen" who are in the running, in my estimation:

- Joe Kapp

- Earl Morrall

- Craig Morton

- Vince Ferragamo

- David Woodley

- Tony Eason

- Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

- Rex Grossman

Obviously, some of these guys aren't THAT bad, and some are well below average. But sometimes you watch Grossman and he looks like the worst QB you've ever seen. Like Heath Shuler bad. Jonathan Quinn bad.

Don't be hatin' on the Bears.Joe Kapp was a Pro Bowler, who had 7.3 yards per attempt, 19 TD and 13 INT in a different era. He also still co-holds the record for most passing TDs in a game, 7.

Ferragamo, in 1979 was not the starting QB for most of the year (had not started any NFL games previously), and threw just 110 passes in the regular season, yet still led the 9-7 Rams to three road wins in the playoffs to get them to the Super Bowl. They were ahead after three quarters but eventually got steamrolled by the Steelers, 31-19. Ferragamo followed up that season with a 3200-yard, 30-TD effort before an unfortunate detour into the CFL.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Worse than this bum?

x | G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD   R|  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 |	32   233   1 |2 |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 |	53   247   5 |3 |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 |	58   346   7 |4 |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 |	34   145   3 |5 |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |	34   224   2 | * - SB QB year

well?

seiously - does anybody want to take a stab at this guy - who's not on the list?Suurely this must be the worst SB QB ever48 TD's v. 81 picks in 5 yrs?a sub-50 completion %This bum has to be the worst SB QB of all-time

 

[CalBear]

seiously - does anybody want to take a stab at this guy - who's not on the list?Suurely this must be the worst SB QB ever48 TD's v. 81 picks in 5 yrs?a sub-50 completion %This bum has to be the worst SB QB of all-time

Hall of Fame members with four Super Bowl wins are not eligible.

 

[Hamstring]

Rich Gannon? Nice career, worst SB game I've ever seen.

 

[CalBear]

Rich Gannon? Nice career, worst SB game I've ever seen.

Gannon went to the Pro Bowl and had 8 TDs and over 275 yards per game in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

 

[massraider]

The worst? Oh man, I think not.

 

[Hamstring]

Awful performance. That's what I was getting at.

 

[CalBear]

Awful performance. That's what I was getting at.

That's not what the thread is about.And anyway, it's hard to say that 270 yards and 2 TDs against the best defense in the league (and statistically, one of the best of all time) is among the worst performances of all time, even considering the 5 INTs.

 

[Jous]

Worse than this bum?

x | G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD   R|  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 |	32   233   1 |2 |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 |	53   247   5 |3 |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 |	58   346   7 |4 |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 |	34   145   3 |5 |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |	34   224   2 | * - SB QB year

well?

seiously - does anybody want to take a stab at this guy - who's not on the list?Suurely this must be the worst SB QB ever48 TD's v. 81 picks in 5 yrs?a sub-50 completion %This bum has to be the worst SB QB of all-time

Had Bradshaw retired because of injuries or something after the 1974 season, I'd say that he would be a very strong candidate for the worst. But in hindsight we know he's not, obviously...far from it.

 

[flapgreen]

No, never. Nor has there ever been a worse TEAM in the SB. I've never been so disappointed about the outcome of a game. The Bears have NO shot to win in 2 weeks. NO SHOT. I'm not sure I'll even watch the game.

And I'll add that I'm a Cowboy fan, no allegiance to the Saints at all, but I'm smart enough to know that they would at least have been able to give the AFC opponent a game.

 

[Portis 26]

Jeff Hostetler- Stan Humphries- Chris Chandler- Trent Dilfer- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

 

[CalBear]

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring.

Dilfer did not play error-free ball. He had 11 interceptions in just 225 attempts; that's more interceptions per attempt than Charlie Frye. In the second round of the playoffs, he was 5/16, and for the entire playoffs, he completed just 48% of his passes. Baltimore won because the defense set the NFL record for least points allowed in a season, and gave up a total of 23 points in three playoff games and the Super Bowl while scoring 21 points of their own.

Dilfer sucked, but with that defense, it didn't matter.

 

[flapgreen]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm sure you're all blinded by a man in a fur coat and nylons, but it dumbfounds me how this guy has avoided this conversation thus far.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/NamaJo00.htm

 

[boubucarow]

Worse than this bum?

x | G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD   R|  13 |	83   218  38.1  1410   6.5   6  24 |	32   233   1 |2 |  14 |   203   373  54.4  2259   6.1  13  22 |	53   247   5 |3 |  14 |   147   308  47.7  1887   6.1  12  12 |	58   346   7 |4 |  10 |	89   180  49.4  1183   6.6  10  15 |	34   145   3 |5 |   8 |	67   148  45.3   785   5.3   7   8 |	34   224   2 | * - SB QB year

well?

seiously - does anybody want to take a stab at this guy - who's not on the list?Suurely this must be the worst SB QB ever48 TD's v. 81 picks in 5 yrs?a sub-50 completion %This bum has to be the worst SB QB of all-time

Had Bradshaw retired because of injuries or something after the 1974 season, I'd say that he would be a very strong candidate for the worst. But in hindsight we know he's not, obviously...far from it.

But to fairly compare Grossman to any of these quarterbacks, you should only examine their careers prior to their 1st Super Bowl appearance since that is all we have on Rex. In that case, Bradshaw was obviously a worse QB prior to his 1st Super Bowl.

 

[bullitt]

You Rex/Bears haters crack me up.

There have been many good/great Qb's that started their careers with similar #'s as Rex, in their first full season of play.

I'm not saying Rex is as good as any of these guys, or that for sure he will be as good as them someday, the fact is, Grossman has not played enough games for anybody to say he will never be a great QB.

Hell, Farve was almost benched in GB, but Holmgren stood by him when every other coach on the staff thought he should be benched. If Holmgren had listened to them, Farve may never have developed into the great QB that he became.

Only time will tell, but anybody saying he is the worst ever or he will never be any good, based on his career to date, is a fool.

Rex Grossman's 1st FULL season stats:

QB Rating: 73.9

Yds : 3193

Comp. % : 54.6

TD : 23

Int : 20

Some Good/Great QB's 1st FULL season stats:

Peyton Manning:

QB Rating: 71.2

Yds : 3739

Comp. % : 56.7

TD : 26

Int : 28

Drew Brees:

QB Rating: 76.9

Yds : 3284

Comp. % : 60.8

TD : 17

Int : 16

Brett Favre:

1st full yr

QB Rating: 85.3

Yds : 3227

Comp. % : 64.1

TD : 18

Int : 13

2nd full yr

QB Rating: 72.2

Yds : 3303

Comp. % : 60.9

TD : 19

Int : 24

Troy Aikman:

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2579

Comp. % : 56.6

TD : 11

Int : 18

Terry Bradshaw:

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2259

Comp. % : 54.4

TD : 13

Int : 22

John Elway :

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2598

Comp. % : 56.3

TD : 18

Int : 15

 

[Widbil83]

You Rex/Bears haters crack me up.

There have been many good/great Qb's that started their careers with similar #'s as Rex, in their first full season of play.

I'm not saying Rex is as good as any of these guys, or that for sure he will be as good as them someday, the fact is, Grossman has not played enough games for anybody to say he will never be a great QB.

Hell, Farve was almost benched in GB, but Holmgren stood by him when every other coach on the staff thought he should be benched. If Holmgren had listened to them, Farve may never have developed into the great QB that he became.

Only time will tell, but anybody saying he is the worst ever or he will never be any good, based on his career to date, is a fool.

Rex Grossman's 1st season stats:

QB Rating: 73.9

Yds : 3193

Comp. % : 54.6

TD : 23

Int : 20

Some Good/Great QB's 1st season stats:

Peyton Manning:

QB Rating: 71.2

Yds : 3739

Comp. % : 56.7

TD : 26

Int : 28

Drew Brees:

QB Rating: 76.9

Yds : 3284

Comp. % : 60.8

TD : 17

Int : 16

Brett Favre:

1st full yr

QB Rating: 85.3

Yds : 3227

Comp. % : 64.1

TD : 18

Int : 13

2nd full yr

QB Rating: 72.2

Yds : 3303

Comp. % : 60.9

TD : 19

Int : 24

Troy Aikman:

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2579

Comp. % : 56.6

TD : 11

Int : 18

Terry Bradshaw:

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2259

Comp. % : 54.4

TD : 13

Int : 22

John Elway :

QB Rating: ???

Yds : 2598

Comp. % : 56.3

TD : 18

Int : 15

 

[Raider Nation]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

You are one of the few non-irritating Bears fans around here, flap.And trust me... this isn't shtick, nor am I a Bears hater.

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

 

[bullitt]

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

How can you come to that conclusion with so few games played???? When he has played more good games than bad??

 

[PsychoMan]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

You are one of the few non-irritating Bears fans around here, flap.And trust me... this isn't shtick, nor am I a Bears hater.

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

RN - We all know Grossman has certainly shown signs of the good & the bad - but what do you think about Bullitts post above (the comparison to other QBs in their first full season)?Doesn't it seem a bit premature to make such a bold statement?

 

[dickey moe]

Where's Kerry Collins?

 

[flapgreen]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

You are one of the few non-irritating Bears fans around here, flap.And trust me... this isn't shtick, nor am I a Bears hater.

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

Understood.

 

[Raider Nation]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

You are one of the few non-irritating Bears fans around here, flap.And trust me... this isn't shtick, nor am I a Bears hater.

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

RN - We all know Grossman has certainly shown signs of the good & the bad - but what do you think about Bullitts post above (the comparison to other QBs in their first full season)?Doesn't it seem a bit premature to make such a bold statement?

It very well could be premature, and if he goes on to have a great career.... good for him. You know what it is that REALLY bugs me about Grossman??? <Excuse me while I get comfortable on the shrink's couch> He struts around as if he's won 8 Super Bowls. Even when he makes ***horrible*** throws, he comes off the field with that stupid little Aaron Brooks-type smirk, and you just want to punch him in the face. I'll bet he grew up in a wealthy family -- just a guess. Then he makes the comment about not caring about the Green Bay game because it was New Years Eve, etc. But all that stuff aside, he is just SO up and down, I don't see how he could be thought of as reliable, which is the most important thing a team needs in its quarterback. He makes throws that you don't see a 9th grade QB make. His receivers run WIDE open, and he sails the ball twenty yards over their head. I've never seen anything like it. I will give him credit for throwing one of the prettiest seam passes I've ever seen, like the bullet he threw to Davis in OT vs. Seattle.But the bad throws/decisions seem to outweigh his positive contributions.

 

[Portis 26]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

I was just venturing my views about the injustice of describing Hostetler and Humphreys as bad QBs. As for Grossman, my own personal view is that he's not a bad QB so much as a very erratic one. He's capable of some beautiful throws and some inspiring play, he's just streaky, and he can make some horrible throws too. That may well be a function of his relative inexperience.

 

[CalBear]

Some Good/Great QB's 1st season stats:

You can't compare Rex Grossman, who is in his fourth year in the league, to people who started as rookies. The guy is 26 years old. He hasn't had a whole lot of game experience because he's been hurt, but he's had tons of time to learn the system, work with the players, and practice. A better comparison is to a guy like Tony Romo, who had a much better year than Grossman. Some other comparisons would be to Kenny Stabler, Tommy Maddox (returning to Pittsburgh), Vince Ferragamo.Also, none of the players you list went to the Super Bowl in the seasons you list.

 

[bullitt]

Some Good/Great QB's 1st season stats:

You can't compare Rex Grossman, who is in his fourth year in the league, to people who started as rookies. The guy is 26 years old. He hasn't had a whole lot of game experience because he's been hurt, but he's had tons of time to learn the system, work with the players, and practice. A better comparison is to a guy like Tony Romo, who had a much better year than Grossman. Some other comparisons would be to Kenny Stabler, Tommy Maddox (returning to Pittsburgh), Vince Ferragamo.Also, none of the players you list went to the Super Bowl in the seasons you list.

I edited my post to say "first FULL season stats", as that was what my comparison was based on, not the first year. Grossman only played 2-3 games his first 3 seasons, I am not calling him a rookie, but the fact is, this is his first full season and that is what I am comparing.The fact is, People are making decisions about Grossman's career, when he hasn't played enough games to tell if he will become a hero or a zero and if people applied that same logic to the Qb's I listed, they would be fools. Grossman may turn out to be Kordell Stewart, or another Farve, there is no possible way, based on the amount of playing time he has, that anyone can definitively say what kind of QB he is or is going to become.

It seems Raidernation has more issue with Grossman's confident personality ( I think that is his greatest strength) than his game play.

 

[flapgreen]

Some Good/Great QB's 1st season stats:

You can't compare Rex Grossman, who is in his fourth year in the league, to people who started as rookies. The guy is 26 years old. He hasn't had a whole lot of game experience because he's been hurt, but he's had tons of time to learn the system, work with the players, and practice. A better comparison is to a guy like Tony Romo, who had a much better year than Grossman. Some other comparisons would be to Kenny Stabler, Tommy Maddox (returning to Pittsburgh), Vince Ferragamo.Also, none of the players you list went to the Super Bowl in the seasons you list.

I edited my post to say "first FULL season stats", as that was what my comparison was based on, not the first year. Grossman only played 2-3 games his first 3 seasons, I am not calling him a rookie, but the fact is, this is his first full season and that is what I am comparing.The fact is, People are making decisions about Grossman's career, when he hasn't played enough games to tell if he will become a hero or a zero and if people applied that same logic to the Qb's I listed, they would be fools. Grossman may turn out to be Kordell Stewart, or another Farve, there is no possible way, based on the amount of playing time he has, that anyone can definitively say what kind of QB he is or is going to become.

It seems Raidernation has more issue with Grossman's confident personality ( I think that is his greatest strength) than his game play.

Exaxtly how I feel. Not many could go through what he's been through this season with all the critcism and still take their team to the Super Bowl.

 

[PsychoMan]

Jeff Hostetler

- Stan Humphries

- Chris Chandler

- Trent Dilfer

- Brad Johnson

All these guys were smart QBs who don't belong on the list at all. Even Dilfer. He played solid error-free ball to get his ring. People speak about Humphries like he was a bad QB but I remember I guy who had a pretty good career over the years.

Huh. Sounds about like what Grossman has done and he doesn't even have much experience yet. Now he's the worst Super Bowl qb ever? Some of you people are blinded by your own bias and it's pathetic. Not directing this at you, Portis, but at this ridiculous thread. Saying Grossman might be the worst Super Bowl qb ever is the absolute craziest damn thing i've ever heard. WTF? Look at his playoff stats this far in his short career. Look at his record as a starter. Look at the majority of his NFL starts. The guy hasn't been sensational but who is at the beginning of their career. But worst ever? GIMME A BREAK with that nonsense.

I'm happy to have Rex as our qb and wouldn't have it any other way. I've said it all along. I'm sure glad Lovie feels the same way. He seems to know what he's doing. O but I forgot. The NFC sucks and that include the Bears.

Honestly, I think part of this is shtick from Raider because he doesn't care for the Bears fans around here. I guess I can't blame him that much.

You are one of the few non-irritating Bears fans around here, flap.And trust me... this isn't shtick, nor am I a Bears hater.

I just honestly think that Grossman is horrible.

RN - We all know Grossman has certainly shown signs of the good & the bad - but what do you think about Bullitts post above (the comparison to other QBs in their first full season)?Doesn't it seem a bit premature to make such a bold statement?

It very well could be premature, and if he goes on to have a great career.... good for him. You know what it is that REALLY bugs me about Grossman??? <Excuse me while I get comfortable on the shrink's couch> He struts around as if he's won 8 Super Bowls. Even when he makes ***horrible*** throws, he comes off the field with that stupid little Aaron Brooks-type smirk, and you just want to punch him in the face. I'll bet he grew up in a wealthy family -- just a guess. Then he makes the comment about not caring about the Green Bay game because it was New Years Eve, etc. But all that stuff aside, he is just SO up and down, I don't see how he could be thought of as reliable, which is the most important thing a team needs in its quarterback. He makes throws that you don't see a 9th grade QB make. His receivers run WIDE open, and he sails the ball twenty yards over their head. I've never seen anything like it. I will give him credit for throwing one of the prettiest seam passes I've ever seen, like the bullet he threw to Davis in OT vs. Seattle.But the bad throws/decisions seem to outweigh his positive contributions.

Well I can't argue with you there. That makes sense.I suppose we'll have to wait before we really know enough about him. The way this season has gone, I think we'll learn a LOT more about him next year. If he improves on his mechanics, throws the same amount of touchdowns, and has 6-8 less turnovers, I'll be a happy Bears fan.

 

[PsychoMan]

I was just venturing my views about the injustice of describing Hostetler and Humphreys as bad QBs. As for Grossman, my own personal view is that he's not a bad QB so much as a very erratic one. He's capable of some beautiful throws and some inspiring play, he's just streaky, and he can make some horrible throws too. That may well be a function of his relative inexperience.

I think that sums this thread up. Grossman very well be the most ERRATIC QB, but not the worst.

 

[Hamstring]

Grossman was better than Romo as he should be.

 

[3nOut]

what about Doug Williams (Was)?

Williams was THE reason the Skins beat the Broncos in Super Bowl XXII. Go watch a DVD of that game, and fast forward to the 2nd Q. That Super Bowl aside, he had a fine career, beginning with Tampa Bay.

You can't count his play in the SB since Rex hasn't played in his yet. Where would you rank Williams GOING IN to the SB?

 

[bez18]

hmmmm... maybe ESPN is trolling our boards here for some polls on their site??? This morning their SportsNation poll is asking who is the worst SuperBowl QB ever!