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Blackbear said:
This sounds like a bunch of excuses. I hope he has a better year if he is the starter. But I’d like to see Mac get as many first team reps and be the starter to get the team headed in the right direction as soon as possible. 
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I understand.  I'm aware what the prevailing opinion is.

Here's another kind of excuse:

Generational QB leaves the organization because he likes winning and recognizes that the cupboard is bare, in part because the organization leveraged itself to give him his last two rings.  This occurs after said generational QB pitches a fit and forces the prior QB in waiting to be traded away, apparently against the head coach's wishes.  In parallel, a pandemic arrives and this organization has 8 opt outs, including key leadership positions on the defense. 

The organization recruits is able to hire a former mvp and superbowl qb at the eleventh hour.  There's virtually know time to learn the playbook.  The new hire is paid peanuts because of injury risk and the perception that he is done.  Richard Seymour calls it a joke.

Next, the single established receiving target strains his knee and is gone for the year.

On offense, the new recruit is pretty much the entire offense and no one is getting open.  When December rolls around, the slow learning coaches around the league finally realize there's no receiving threat, so they take the run game away and the single man offense crashes and burns.

The new recruit is blamed.  That's an excuse.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I understand.  I'm aware what the prevailing opinion is.

Here's another kind of excuse:

Generational QB leaves the organization because he likes winning and recognizes that the cupboard is bare, in part because the organization leveraged itself to give him his last two rings.  This occurs after said generational QB pitches a fit and forces the prior QB in waiting to be traded away, apparently against the head coach's wishes.  In parallel, a pandemic arrives and this organization has 8 opt outs, including key leadership positions on the defense. 

The organization recruits is able to hire a former mvp and superbowl qb at the eleventh hour.  There's virtually know time to learn the playbook.  The new hire is paid peanuts because of injury risk and the perception that he is done.  Richard Seymour calls it a joke.

Next, the single established receiving target strains his knee and is gone for the year.

On offense, the new recruit is pretty much the entire offense and no one is getting open.  When December rolls around, the slow learning coaches around the league finally realize there's no receiving threat, so they take the run game away and the single man offense crashes and burns.

The new recruit is blamed.  That's an excuse.
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All that aside, NE and BB don't look so hot in dealing with what was an inevitable turning of the page and changing of the guard with Brady leaving. Signing Cam for peanuts after every other team passed on him a month before the season started isn't exactly great secession planning on their part. If the plan was to take a reset year last year, they probably should have just tanked and gotten a much higher draft pick and saved their money for a rainy day. I get it that that's not Bill's style. Maybe things will work out anyway with Jones, but last year had "dead on arrival" written all over it. I am of the mindset that last year was just a lost leader to reset for the future and they will be back in the thick of things as early as this year and certainly next year. I don't think all the winning was because of Brady. But let's see how things go this year before we worry about future years.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I understand.  I'm aware what the prevailing opinion is.

Here's another kind of excuse:

Generational QB leaves the organization because he likes winning and recognizes that the cupboard is bare, in part because the organization leveraged itself to give him his last two rings.  This occurs after said generational QB pitches a fit and forces the prior QB in waiting to be traded away, apparently against the head coach's wishes.  In parallel, a pandemic arrives and this organization has 8 opt outs, including key leadership positions on the defense. 

The organization recruits is able to hire a former mvp and superbowl qb at the eleventh hour.  There's virtually know time to learn the playbook.  The new hire is paid peanuts because of injury risk and the perception that he is done.  Richard Seymour calls it a joke.

Next, the single established receiving target strains his knee and is gone for the year.

On offense, the new recruit is pretty much the entire offense and no one is getting open.  When December rolls around, the slow learning coaches around the league finally realize there's no receiving threat, so they take the run game away and the single man offense crashes and burns.

The new recruit is blamed.  That's an excuse.
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Or…a former MVP who had a fantastic career hurt his shoulder and while he never had good mechanics they get worse…although willing to play for peanuts only one team gives him an opportunity…no doubt he is put into a bad situation but his accuracy is awful, he has no touch on short passes, his timing is subpar and he has no feel for the pocket and defenses do not respect him at all…thru it all he is an excellent teammate and helps keep the locker-room a healthy place despite a very challenging year…the former MVP goes back out into the free agent market where he only has one suitor and no one else seems interested in him for a second season…unfortunately it is apparent that the MVP appears washed up and not only that he is a horrible fit for how his current team wants to play offense…fortunately there appears to be a young buck who appears to be the perfect fit for this team and once he starts playing the former MVP will be nothing more than a footnote in Patriots history.

 
I'm not mad at folks who disagree with me.  And I'll eat crow when and if needed.  It may just be a case of preferring movies with happy endings; time will tell.

 
Boston said:
Or…a former MVP who had a fantastic career hurt his shoulder and while he never had good mechanics they get worse…although willing to play for peanuts only one team gives him an opportunity…no doubt he is put into a bad situation but his accuracy is awful, he has no touch on short passes, his timing is subpar and he has no feel for the pocket and defenses do not respect him at all…thru it all he is an excellent teammate and helps keep the locker-room a healthy place despite a very challenging year…the former MVP goes back out into the free agent market where he only has one suitor and no one else seems interested in him for a second season…unfortunately it is apparent that the MVP appears washed up and not only that he is a horrible fit for how his current team wants to play offense…fortunately there appears to be a young buck who appears to be the perfect fit for this team and once he starts playing the former MVP will be nothing more than a footnote in Patriots history.
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The reality is probably a little of everything. Cam wasn't as good as he used to be (and very likely won't ever be again). Mac looks promising (but there is still at least a 50% chance he doesn't amount to much). The practical reality is it's unlikely any team in the league will see the likes of Tom Brady again (should he opt to retire in the next 20 years).

So sure, Cam COULD produce better than last year. And Mac COULD show promise as a rookie. But it seems like the polarizing opinion is Cam is the worst QB in the league while Mac is a can't miss, multi-time All Pro that will start producing like one. The less popular opinion is Cam might rebound and Jones could struggle. The fact is . . . no one knows what will happen.

 
Anarchy99 said:
The reality is probably a little of everything. Cam wasn't as good as he used to be (and very likely won't ever be again). Mac looks promising (but there is still at least a 50% chance he doesn't amount to much). The practical reality is it's unlikely any team in the league will see the likes of Tom Brady again (should he opt to retire in the next 20 years).

So sure, Cam COULD produce better than last year. And Mac COULD show promise as a rookie. But it seems like the polarizing opinion is Cam is the worst QB in the league while Mac is a can't miss, multi-time All Pro that will start producing like one. The less popular opinion is Cam might rebound and Jones could struggle. The fact is . . . no one knows what will happen.
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Yeah, I think the reality is a lot of fans want Mac Jones to be the second coming of Tom Brady.  And so that's where the expectations lie.  Anything less than that will be a disappointment.  

 
Anarchy99 said:
The reality is probably a little of everything. Cam wasn't as good as he used to be (and very likely won't ever be again). Mac looks promising (but there is still at least a 50% chance he doesn't amount to much). The practical reality is it's unlikely any team in the league will see the likes of Tom Brady again (should he opt to retire in the next 20 years).

So sure, Cam COULD produce better than last year. And Mac COULD show promise as a rookie. But it seems like the polarizing opinion is Cam is the worst QB in the league while Mac is a can't miss, multi-time All Pro that will start producing like one. The less popular opinion is Cam might rebound and Jones could struggle. The fact is . . . no one knows what will happen.
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You are exaggerating what people think of him as I don't hear anyone say that...he is a rookie QB and with it will come many struggles/ups and downs but I think it is beyond obvious to see he is their QB of the future and looks to be a perfect fit for this team both physically and mentally...best case would be if the Pats had a functional bridge QB like Fitz, Bridgewater or even Nick Foles who could keep the seat warm for Jones and also allow the Pats to play normal offensive football...unfortunately that isn't the case and from a fan/entertainment standpoint I don't know many fans who want to watch what happened last year again at that position...and this year it is more important because unlike last year this team can make some noise if they get solid QB play...I would like to see them rip the band-aid off and go with the kid and get over the growing pains right away because outside of some short-yardage running I don't see what Newton gives you that Jones can't already do. 

 
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Boston said:
You are exaggerating what people think of him as I don't hear anyone say that...he is a rookie QB and with it will come many struggles/ups and downs but I think it is beyond obvious to see he is their QB of the future and looks to be a perfect fit for this team both physically and mentally...best case would be if the Pats had a functional bridge QB like Fitz, Bridgewater or even Nick Foles who could keep the seat warm for Jones and also allow the Pats to play normal offensive football...unfortunately that isn't the case and from a fan/entertainment standpoint I don't know many fans who want to watch what happened last year again at that position...and this year it is more important because unlike last year this team can make some noise if they get solid QB play...I would like to see them rip the band-aid off and go with the kid and get over the growing pains right away because outside of some short-yardage running I don't see what Newton gives you that Jones can't already do. 
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Perfectly put. Nobody expects the kid to be the next Brady. There is only one Brady. But we would want someone that can move the team down the field. The difference in yards per pass is astounding. Cam can hit a guy that comes back to the ball. Mac can hit him going towards the end zone. 

 
Boston said:
You are exaggerating what people think of him as I don't hear anyone say that...he is a rookie QB and with it will come many struggles/ups and downs but I think it is beyond obvious to see he is their QB of the future and looks to be a perfect fit for this team both physically and mentally...best case would be if the Pats had a functional bridge QB like Fitz, Bridgewater or even Nick Foles who could keep the seat warm for Jones and also allow the Pats to play normal offensive football...unfortunately that isn't the case and from a fan/entertainment standpoint I don't know many fans who want to watch what happened last year again at that position...and this year it is more important because unlike last year this team can make some noise if they get solid QB play...I would like to see them rip the band-aid off and go with the kid and get over the growing pains right away because outside of some short-yardage running I don't see what Newton gives you that Jones can't already do. 
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I hate to give you a cop out answer, but I will defer to whatever BB decides. No one has the cache, experience, and proven coaching record that he does. Whatever he decides will most likely be best. It may not turn out to be the right decision, but I feel confident that at the time he made the decision, that likely made the most sense and would be best for the team.

As far as Cam goes, I think too many people are putting too much of last year's poor outcome on him. He didn't assemble the team, it wasn't his fault a ton of players opted out, he didn't accumulate a bunch of dead cap money, and he didn't roster a team with very little talent. While his play was not good, he became the de facto scape goat.

Put another way, the team would have been poor with Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes at QB last year. Say Mahomes magically was on the roster and got COVID and didn't look good after. MAYBE they would have won another game or two, but they wouldn't have been a playoff team. Would people then say OMG Mahomes turned into a bum!

Obviously that's an exaggerated example, but prior to last year, Newton actually looked good his last 16 games with the Panthers: 3,967 passing yards, 24 passing TD, 14 INT,  66% completion with 486 rushing yards and 4 TD. In your opinion, if NE got that out of Cam this year, how would you classify that? Good? Average? Below average? A lot worse than Jones would have done? About what might be expected from Jones (less the rushing totals)?

I know lots have people have had opinions on who should start, but what are people's expectations for each QB if they did serve as starter? (It's probably easier to give per game numbers than full season numbers.)

 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I hate to give you a cop out answer, but I will defer to whatever BB decides. No one has the cache, experience, and proven coaching record that he does. Whatever he decides will most likely be best. It may not turn out to be the right decision, but I feel confident that at the time he made the decision, that likely made the most sense and would be best for the team.

As far as Cam goes, I think too many people are putting too much of last year's poor outcome on him. He didn't assemble the team, it wasn't his fault a ton of players opted out, he didn't accumulate a bunch of dead cap money, and he didn't roster a team with very little talent. While his play was not good, he became the de facto scape goat.

Put another way, the team would have been poor with Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes at QB last year. Say Mahomes magically was on the roster and got COVID and didn't look good after. MAYBE they would have won another game or two, but they wouldn't have been a playoff team. Would people then say OMG Mahomes turned into a bum!

Obviously that's an exaggerated example, but prior to last year, Newton actually looked good his last 16 games with the Panthers: 3,967 passing yards, 24 passing TD, 14 INT,  66% completion with 486 rushing yards and 4 TD. In your opinion, if NE got that out of Cam this year, how would you classify that? Good? Average? Below average? A lot worse than Jones would have done? About what might be expected from Jones (less the rushing totals)?

I know lots have people have had opinions on who should start, but what are people's expectations for each QB if they did serve as starter? (It's probably easier to give per game numbers than full season numbers.)

 
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You are kidding yourself if you think Brady or Mahomes wouldn’t have made last years team a playoff team. I suppose you forget the one hoppers to the receivers. The overthrows. The complete frustration we had watching this. Cam made me even more of an alcoholic than I was before. And I doubt I am alone in that statement. I want a kid to get a chance. So be it if he struggles. I’ll feel better shooting for it than not. As the old golf saying goes… nobody shows up to watch you hit your five wood. Big or go home.

 
Blackbear said:
Perfectly put. Nobody expects the kid to be the next Brady. There is only one Brady. But we would want someone that can move the team down the field. The difference in yards per pass is astounding. Cam can hit a guy that comes back to the ball. Mac can hit him going towards the end zone. 
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Let me preface things by saying stats from preseason games should be tossed and burned, but through 2 preseason games:

Cam: 75% completion rate, 9.5 YPA, 125 passer rating (against defensive 1's and 2's)
Mac: 68% completion rate, 6.1 YPA, 84 passer rating (against defensive 2's and 3's or worse)

Somehow the narrative is that Jones has looked and played better than Newton so far. The numbers are probably closer than they look (give Jones totals for Wilkerson's and Harry's drops and this would look different).

My point is, the way Cam has been playing so far, he's been 1) way better than last year and 2) way better than average. I agree Jones has looked very good, many times not looking like a rookie at all, and the mistakes he's made are probably rookie mistakes. BB will be concerned about this year . . . not what happened last year.

 
Blackbear said:
You are kidding yourself if you think Brady or Mahomes wouldn’t have made last years team a playoff team. I suppose you forget the one hoppers to the receivers. The overthrows. The complete frustration we had watching this. Cam made me even more of an alcoholic than I was before. And I doubt I am alone in that statement. I want a kid to get a chance. So be it if he struggles. I’ll feel better shooting for it than not. As the old golf saying goes… nobody shows up to watch you hit your five wood. Big or go home.
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Big picture, last year's team wasn't going anywhere. All the defensive opt outs left them unable to stop the run and they got gashed all season long. How would a QB change that?

By mid season, the receiving options were:

- Edelman (on injured reserve and now retired)
- Meyers (the only game in town by then)
- Byrd (now the WR4 on CHI)
- Harry (still as useless as ever)
- Moncrief (now the WR6 on HOU)
- Izzo (now the 4th TE on HOU)
- Jordan Thomas (now the 5th TE on IND)
- Olszweski (5 career receptions)
- Keene (3 career receptions)
- Zuber (2 career receptions)
- Asiasi (2 career receptions)

So sure, with that motley crew, somehow Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, or someone else would have gotten the team FOUR MORE WINS last year to make the playoffs. I'm not buying it.


 

 
Anarchy99 said:
I hate to give you a cop out answer, but I will defer to whatever BB decides. No one has the cache, experience, and proven coaching record that he does. Whatever he decides will most likely be best. It may not turn out to be the right decision, but I feel confident that at the time he made the decision, that likely made the most sense and would be best for the team.

As far as Cam goes, I think too many people are putting too much of last year's poor outcome on him. He didn't assemble the team, it wasn't his fault a ton of players opted out, he didn't accumulate a bunch of dead cap money, and he didn't roster a team with very little talent. While his play was not good, he became the de facto scape goat.

Put another way, the team would have been poor with Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes at QB last year. Say Mahomes magically was on the roster and got COVID and didn't look good after. MAYBE they would have won another game or two, but they wouldn't have been a playoff team. Would people then say OMG Mahomes turned into a bum!

Obviously that's an exaggerated example, but prior to last year, Newton actually looked good his last 16 games with the Panthers: 3,967 passing yards, 24 passing TD, 14 INT,  66% completion with 486 rushing yards and 4 TD. In your opinion, if NE got that out of Cam this year, how would you classify that? Good? Average? Below average? A lot worse than Jones would have done? About what might be expected from Jones (less the rushing totals)?

I know lots have people have had opinions on who should start, but what are people's expectations for each QB if they did serve as starter? (It's probably easier to give per game numbers than full season numbers.)

 
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Two different things...the team assembled last year was not good and if you remember I was very vocal about that as well...that being said at no point last year did I ever say to myself Cam looks good but the talent around him is letting him down...that simply was not the case...he was a below average QB with a below average team and it was only the miracle of BB's coaching ability that allowed them to be a 7 win team and while they were not going anywhere they would have been much better with Brady or Mahomes which was pretty much the case in 2019 which was another team that was nothing special...as for this year I see them as a 9 win team with Cam but without the ability to make comebacks and an easy out in the playoffs if they make it...with Jones I see 11 wins and while they are not gonna win a title they will be a team that will be difficult to play against in the playoffs and one more good offseason from being a legit contender.

 
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Blackbear said:
You are kidding yourself if you think Brady or Mahomes wouldn’t have made last years team a playoff team.
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Interesting claim.  Why do you suppose Brady left?  nm...it was rhetorical.

I'm pretty confident that even if 7-9 became 10-6... which is pretty rose-colored.... last years squad would have been one and done in the playoffs.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Big picture, last year's team wasn't going anywhere. All the defensive opt outs left them unable to stop the run and they got gashed all season long. How would a QB change that?

By mid season, the receiving options were:

- Edelman (on injured reserve and now retired)
- Meyers (the only game in town by then)
- Byrd (now the WR4 on CHI)
- Harry (still as useless as ever)
- Moncrief (now the WR6 on HOU)
- Izzo (now the 4th TE on HOU)
- Jordan Thomas (now the 5th TE on IND)
- Olszweski (5 career receptions)
- Keene (3 career receptions)
- Zuber (2 career receptions)
- Asiasi (2 career receptions)

So sure, with that motley crew, somehow Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, or someone else would have gotten the team FOUR MORE WINS last year to make the playoffs. I'm not buying it.


 
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If Brady or Mahomes are the QB, there would have been less opt outs. 

 
Boston said:
Two different things...the team assembled last year was not good and if you remember I was very vocal about that as well...that being said at no point last year did I ever say to myself Cam looks good but the talent around him is letting him down...that simply was not the case...he was a below average QB with a below average team and it was only the miracle of BB's coaching ability that allowed them to be a 7 win team and while they were not going anywhere they would have been much better with Brady or Mahomes which was pretty much the case in 2019...as for this year I see them as 9 win team with Cam but without the ability to make comebacks and an easy out in the playoffs if they make it...with Jones I see 11 wins and while they are not gonna win a title they will be a team that will be difficult to play against in the playoffs and one more good offseason from being a legit contender.
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You make a lot of sense. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Interesting claim.  Why do you suppose Brady left?  nm...it was rhetorical.

I'm pretty confident that even if 7-9 became 10-6... which is pretty rose-colored.... last years squad would have been one and done in the playoffs.
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Even if you watched the games and saw two games coughed up? 

 
Blackbear said:
If Brady or Mahomes are the QB, there would have been less opt outs. 
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now we're starting to factor in silly arguments.  here; I'll play.

Logical exercise: if we that NE was not going to do anything in the playoffs, and that the non-competitiveness was because of the opt outs, and the opt outs was because of Brady, then why do we blame the schmuck who got called in the 11th hour to bail the team out?

Answer: because its easier for you to say 2020 sucked because the new guy is washed than to blame Brady.

 
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now we're starting to factor in silly arguments.  here; I'll play.

Logical exercise: if we that NE was not going to do anything in the playoffs, and that the non-competitiveness was because of the opt outs, and the opt outs was because of Brady, then why do we blame the schmuck who got called in the 11th hour to bail the team out?

Answer: because its easier for you to say 2020 sucked because the new guy is washed than to blame Brady.
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Because he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
now we're starting to factor in silly arguments.  here; I'll play.

Logical exercise: if we that NE was not going to do anything in the playoffs, and that the non-competitiveness was because of the opt outs, and the opt outs was because of Brady, then why do we blame the schmuck who got called in the 11th hour to bail the team out?

Answer: because its easier for you to say 2020 sucked because the new guy is washed than to blame Brady.
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Because you are a numbers guy, do you believe a 70.9 pff rating is good? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-newton/6153
 

Or did you enjoy the 8 td passes he threw last year? 
 

Which of those did you love? 

 
I really think it's for the greater good if Cam starts the season and they transition to Mac sometime during the season, best case post Brady return game. Eases the pressure on Mac, gives him more wiggle room to fail then persevere if Cam has already had his shot and shown us what he is THIS year, which is still kind of a wildcard. Don't think they are Chip quality either way so lets not ruin the kid to early, my two cents. 

 
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Because you are a numbers guy, do you believe a 70.9 pff rating is good? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-newton/6153
 

Or did you enjoy the 8 td passes he threw last year? 
 

Which of those did you love? 
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As detailed in my post on Sunday, I like his 99 rating in the 8 games excluding the 2 weeks immediately following his return from covid and the 6 games in December when teams had figured out there were no valid receiving threats in NE and simply suffocated the run to win. 

The horrific 2 week return period alone accounted for 50% of his interceptions for the year (!).

Now stay with me for a second....if you take the 8 good games I mention, and theorize that the 2021 receiving corps is better than the 2020 receiving corps such that teams cannot simply ignore the passing game as New England's personnel allowed them to do in December of last year, then these 8 games extrapolated represent Cam's floor on the 2021 team.

3744 yards passing, 14 passing TDs, 4 INTs, 70% completion rate, 99 quarterback rating

650 yards rushing, 16 rushing TDs

4394 combined yards, 30 combined TDs, 4 INTs, 70% completion rate, 99 quarterback rating

There is no longer a need for superman to generate rushing TDs at a rate of 16 per season.  Let's say we credit him for 8 in 2021.  To preserve the total TDs figure above, that is only asking the passing game to generate 22 TDs this year.  For the sake of comparison Cam had 35 TDs in his best season.  Even if you accept as I do the notion that he won't do that again, it makes no sense to me to think that he can't manufacture 22 TDs this year when in the 3 seasons leading up to his 2019 injury season his totals were 19, 22 and 24.  I'm projecting conservatively here.

When coach decides to make the switch I'll be good with it, and I'm excited about the long term with Jones.  I've also seen Cam look horrible at times.  But context is important here guys.  It's cool if you think Cam is washed; I don't.  When I look at the situation, I'm sure I'd rather have Cam behind center in Week 1 - Week 4.  After that, re-evaluate.

 
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As detailed in my post on Sunday, I like his 99 rating in the 8 games excluding the 2 weeks immediately following his return from covid and the 6 games in December when teams had figured out there were no valid receiving threats in NE and simply suffocated the run to win. 

The horrific 2 week return period alone accounted for 50% of his interceptions for the year (!).

Now stay with me for a second....if you take the 8 good games I mention, and theorize that the 2021 receiving corps is better than the 2020 receiving corps such that teams cannot simply ignore the passing game as New England's personnel allowed them to do in December of last year, then these 8 games extrapolated represent Cam's floor on the 2021 team.

3744 yards passing, 14 passing TDs, 4 INTs, 70% completion rate, 99 quarterback rating

650 yards rushing, 16 rushing TDs

4394 combined yards, 30 combined TDs, 4 INTs, 70% completion rate, 99 quarterback rating

There is no longer a need for superman to generate rushing TDs at a rate of 16 per season.  Let's say we credit him for 8 in 2021.  To preserve the total TDs figure above, that is only asking the passing game to generate 22 TDs this year.  For the sake of comparison Cam had 35 TDs in his best season.  Even if you accept as I do the notion that he won't do that again, it makes no sense to me to think that he can't manufacture 22 TDs this year when in the 3 seasons leading up to his 2019 injury season his totals were 19, 22 and 24.  I'm projecting conservatively here.

When coach decides to make the switch I'll be good with it, and I'm excited about the long term with Jones.  I've also seen Cam look horrible at times.  But context is important here guys.  It's cool if you think Cam is washed; I don't.  When I look at the situation, I'm sure I'd rather have Cam behind center in Week 1 - Week 4.  After that, re-evaluate.
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You have also not understood the role of an owner. 

 
Bill made several great decisions. Now he is lapsing into his old ways. He gave up a bit of control and now rookies are doing well. I believe he will be stubborn and will make him look bad. 

 
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TBH, this team could beat or lose to anyone. The pieces may not fit right. Today was a good example. In the scrimmage against the Giants, the NE defense was dominating on a Giants drive but then suddenly there was a mix up and a blown coverage. So despite several sacks and good pressure on plays, NYG got a gift TD on a 3rd and a country mile. That could happen when you are trying to field a defense with 50% new starters.

No one believes Cam can stay consistent (or that he is a better passer than Jones). They can get away with Cam being meh but not for an entire game and certainly not against good teams. Mac will play eventually, and I am sure his play early on will be a shotgun blast. Using today as an example again, he started with a Pick 6. But he led a grind of a TD drive. I think BB would be happy with Jones if he played it safe and punted on a drive and then the next drive got a FG (for a net +3 points instead of net neutral).

I know there are plenty of folks that can't wait to see Jones as their regular starter (myself included). But there is a huge difference playing on the road in bad whether in a hostile environment against a playoff caliber team in a high pressure situation compared to looking good in a preseason game playing against scrubs with no blitzing, vanilla defenses, and nothing really on the line. Not saying Mac can't handle that, but those are the types of situations BB will want Jones to grow into instead of throwing him right into the fire. Let's be real . . . BB doesn't care what the fans or the media things and he certainly won't alter his plans based on how the masses feel.

Something else that will be fascinating to follow is the Pats have historically had a great record playing at home, and having fans again could bring that advantage back. They play some tough home games: MIA, NOS, TB, DAL, NYJ, CLE, TEN, BUF, and JAC. Last year homefield meant nothing, but they will need that again to win some of those games.
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GB I just wanted to say that your NE analysis continues to be "super elite upper tier" as Mister Pickles would say. 
 

 
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Hindery's "If You are Drafting This Weekend" article claims Mac Jones was named the starter in the section where he is discussing the Patriots backfield.  I don't see this anywhere else so I am assuming this is bogus.

 
Nothing to do about race…. as that little girl carried on. She has to realize he was a QB in the league and around other races in the shower. 

 
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