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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (5 Viewers)

It's almost tempting to send Garrapolo out there, lol. Miami always seems to play us so darn tough, hate that! It would be nice if the Pats just played better, and protected Brady a bit so he can do what he does.

 
Could be worse, at least I'm not a Jet fan.

I think Cincy wins next week, AJ is probably better suited to win a playoff game than Dalton. Everyone will be picking the Steelers though.

 
I think we are in a better position for the divisional round than the Broncos. Playing the steelers seems to be worst case but being the 6th seed there is no way the Pats would face them in the divisional round. Chiefs seem to be the #2 threat and they are seed 5. Worst case is the steelers and Chiefs winning. Maybe I'm underestimating the bengals, just depends on how Dalton recovers.

Heal up, everybody.

 
From ORMS blog:

Fun facts heading into the Bye week:

The Patriots have lost over 230 man/games due to injury, more than ANY other team in the league. Teams with over 200 man/games lost & their finish:

New England Patriots (12-4, #2 seed)

New York Giants (6-10, no playoffs)

Baltimore Ravens (5-11, no playoffs)

With the combination of Gronk, Amendola and Edelman the Patriots are

9-0 with all 3 players (33.6 points per game)

3-1 with 2 of 3 players (22.5 points per game)

0-3 with 1 of 3 players (24 points per game)

They are all back for our Saturday, January 16th game.

 
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From ORMS blog:

Fun facts heading into the Bye week:

The Patriots have lost over 230 man/games due to injury, more than ANY other team in the league. Teams with over 200 man/games lost & their finish:

New England Patriots (12-4, #2 seed)

New York Giants (6-10, no playoffs)

Baltimore Ravens (5-11, no playoffs)

With the combination of Gronk, Amendola and Edelman the Patriots are

9-0 with all 3 players (33.6 points per game)

3-1 with 2 of 3 players (22.5 points per game)

0-3 with 1 of 3 players (24 points per game)

They are all back for our Saturday, January 16th game.
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I understand your point and agree the Pats will certainly be a different team when Gronk, Amendola and Edelman are all back but you have to take those man game/lost stats with a grain of salt.

For instance losing a starting QB for a few weeks can be much more disruptive than losing say a backup safety for an entire season.

 
My hope is that Bill went into a game plan shell as soon as Pats had a playoff spot. Or at least the bye. Entirely possible he's crunched the numbers and found that home field doesn't mean that much. Way more important that there's no fresh tape entering the tourney.

(hope)

 
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From ORMS blog:

Fun facts heading into the Bye week:

The Patriots have lost over 230 man/games due to injury, more than ANY other team in the league. Teams with over 200 man/games lost & their finish:

New England Patriots (12-4, #2 seed)

New York Giants (6-10, no playoffs)

Baltimore Ravens (5-11, no playoffs)

With the combination of Gronk, Amendola and Edelman the Patriots are

9-0 with all 3 players (33.6 points per game)

3-1 with 2 of 3 players (22.5 points per game)

0-3 with 1 of 3 players (24 points per game)

They are all back for our Saturday, January 16th game.
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This has been my thinking since Edelman went down, that once we're back at near full strength in the skill positions, we should be good to go.

After watching the last few games, I'm not as confident. The O line issues look to be at least as much of a problem as the missing skill guys. In fact, given Gronk, Amendola, Lafell and Martin with White out of the back field, I believe NE could make a deep run if Brady had a clean pocket for more than 2 seconds.

The return of Edelman won't necessarily change that, though I hope that his unique ability to get open quickly and make YAC might be enough.

My hope is for a fully healthy ( as much as can be expected, at least ) Vollmer, one of Waddle/Cannon/Fleming to step up and produce well beyond what we've seen so far, and the interior guys to mix and match their way to keeping that middle pass rush at bay.

 
Getting Edelman back is huge. Hopefully his bone is healed enough to not present problems this postseason.

Even with the OL issues, with Edelman the Pats can go back to their pre-snap adjustments to help Brady know where to get the ball off quickly. Amendola and Edelman can go back to their rub routes they so effectively ran on the field together. Julian's return also helps free up Gronk.

I'm sure the Pats tried running their normal offense with the existing personnel, but likely struggled and once Vollmer went down, they really struggled. With a healthy set of targets, Brady has the quickest release after the snap. That only comes with trust in the receivers doing their job. That trust likely eroded with LaFell and Martin. Brady holding the ball longer with a shaky line in front of him meant tough times and it showed in the last several games.

 
I guess we are going to see if two weeks (maybe a couple weeks more for some guys that have been out) is enough to get them on the field and somewhat productive. A lot of players this time of year are not 100% . . . but 80-85% is a lot different than 50-60%.

I'm not really sure what the point of yesterday was. Sure, I get that they wanted to stay healthy, shorten the game, keep things close, and pull out a win late in a low scoring game. But running so much in the first half really didn't help establish the run because MIA was playing 8 guys in the box. And with vanilla play calling without much variety in the second half, they looked like they were only half trying to win.

IMO, it would have made more sense to let the injured guys sit and roll out the C team. Maybe guys that really haven't played much would have cobbled together a couple of scoring drives or could have forced a turnover or two just being eager and healthy. The outcome as it stands didn't get them the top seed, didn't get many guys rest, and got Brady nicked up.

It may not matter much depending how things play out (I personally think DEN loses to one of the wildcard teams and NE won't have to go on the road). Like many others, I think NE is the best team in the AFC if healthy . . . the question becomes just how healthy will they be?

I don't see the NE offense scoring in the 30s, but if the team overall could score 20-24 points and if they roll out their regular defensive unit, that should be enough to win two games (even against PIT) to get to the SB. IMO, they probably would be an underdog against whichever NFC team makes it (at least of the Big 3 NFC contenders).

 
So according to Albert Breer and "Patriots sources", Brady has a high ankle sprain. I still think they have a good shot at running the table in the AFC if they can get everyone healthy in time, but this definitely puts a damper on things. No doubt Brady will play but I'm kind of shocked to hear this info come out.

 
Forecasting next year, thats a brutal schedule.

Also saw today on reddit that between Lewis, Blount, White, Bolden, Iosefa and Jackson - over 335 carries they have one fumble. 1/335, best in the league obviously.

Continuing their 'impossible' fumble rate.

 
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Run It Up said:
Forecasting next year, thats a brutal schedule.

Also saw today on reddit that between Lewis, Blount, White, Bolden, Iosefa and Jackson - over 335 carries they have one fumble. 1/335, best in the league obviously.

Continuing their 'impossible' fumble rate.
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Yeah, that is a tough sched, but most of is just due to rotating divisions. That is, this year the AFC East plays the AFC North (Pitt, Cinci, Bal, Cle - so 2 playoff teams and the typically good Ravens) and the NFC West (AZ, Sea, StL, SF - so another two playoff teams and the and the perennially up-and-coming Rams). The 2 teams they'll face due to 2015 record are Denver and Houston. So that means NE will face 4 of the 5 other playoff teams this year (everyone EXCEPT KC). Regardless, I'm sure we'll after week 12 next year that NE once again "had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL." Seems people always forget that NE has the benefit of not having to play themselves!

 
Suh is a piece of garbage. If he doesn't get face masked he probably breaks Brady's leg. He's going for the legs long before he gets masked- Suh is a loser.

 
Any injury updates? How is Edelman? Will he be a full go? I try to get info on ESPN and their Patriots "site" absolutely sucks and every time they update the format it's worse than before.

I did see that Ebner has a cast on his arm- that sucks. Last thing anyone needs is to give up a big return... Amendola, Vollmer, Chung, McCourty, Gronkowski, Brady... WE NEED THESE GUYS!!!!

It's interesting that.... we will miss the Steelers next game, Broncos are going with Manning (pick city), Chiefs have won 10 straight, Steelers have no D, Bengals can't win a playoff game, Houston is even in the playoffs... wild card weekend is almost there!

 
Gronk was interviewed today and sounded like Edleman was back for sure. He didn't discuss him as hopefully coming back, it was in the tone of great to have him back.

 
KC potentially losing Maclin could be huge. I think the Patriots match up good against the Chiefs, and it's definitely a very winnable game. Brady is no Hoyer, and the Chiefs offense without Maclin should be easy to contain. The bye week and Edelman/Vollmer back will be the difference.

Pats over Chiefs 34-14

 
devouredbychaos said:
KC potentially losing Maclin could be huge. I think the Patriots match up good against the Chiefs, and it's definitely a very winnable game. Brady is no Hoyer, and the Chiefs offense without Maclin

should be easy to contain. The bye week and Edelman/Vollmer back will be the difference.

Pats over Chiefs 34-14
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Pats D might match up well with the KC offense especially if Maclin is out but I think KC's D is probably the worst match up for the Pats offense. It is really going to come down to how well the Pats OLine plays and Edleman being somewhat close to what he was prior to the injury.

 
Unless the Pats force multiple turnovers in any game moving forward, I think the chances they score in the 30s again is pretty remote. IMO, if they win, they will by scoring 21-24 points and giving up 17-20.

 
The biggest injury for the Patriots o line was Edelman. When you can throw the ball in under two seconds to a guy who can create a few yards consistently you don't need to keep extra blockers in. That frees up gronk who was staying in to block more often than he ever should. And Amendola was coming off the field when they bright in an extra blocker because he's too small to block upfield when they run to his side.

Everything about this offense changes for the better now that they've got most of their weapons back. They still don't have a running back you can really trust, but white looks a lot better when they're not trying to mash it all the time because they brought in extra blockers the way they did the last couple weeks.

This team is going to look a lot more like the 10-0 team the first couple months of the season than the 2-4 team the last few weeks. They can definitely still be beaten but there's still no team i feel better about to win the afc.

 
I see that people are planning on seeing the Edelman out of the gate. It remains to be seen if he will be as quick and can cut like he used to, let alone have the same timing. I agree that a healthy Edelman helps make the offense tick, but I don't think he is going to be 100%.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I see that people are planning on seeing the Edelman out of the gate. It remains to be seen if he will be as quick and can cut like he used to, let alone have the same timing. I agree that a healthy Edelman helps make the offense tick, but I don't think he is going to be 100%.
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It doesn't matter if he is 100% immediately. It only matters if his presence changes the way the Patriots and their opponent play. Unless he gets hurt again or just plays absolutely terribly that's a given.
 
If Edelman gets his two yard routes and can't get his usual 6-8 YAC, they will have issues on offense still. No one knows what will the offense will look like.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I see that people are planning on seeing the Edelman out of the gate. It remains to be seen if he will be as quick and can cut like he used to, let alone have the same timing. I agree that a healthy Edelman helps make the offense tick, but I don't think he is going to be 100%.
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True, but I'm hopeful that since he's been out practicing for the past several weeks he will be closer to 100%.

:crossesfingers:

 
This is turning out well for my Broncos. Pitt comes limping in with possibly having to start a backup QB. NE has to play the team that's the hottest in the NFL with a defense that can give Brady fits.

Liking the way this is setting up.

Not trying to troll NE fans, but KC was easily the team I didn't want my Broncos to have to face.

 
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You're not wrong, at points in the night game on saturday I was kind of hoping the Bengals would pull it out. But I think the Chiefs without Maclin aren't gonna be able to hang.

 
If you're a NE fan you want KC.

KC offense shouldn't scare NE D. Especially without Maclin. No way Bill doesn't fence in Kelce.

Additionally, Pittsburgh is the only team that has a shot to upset Denver in Denver and giving NE a home game in the AFC championship.

This fell perfectly.

And if only Seattle just lost...

 
kyoun1e said:
If you're a NE fan you want KC.

KC offense shouldn't scare NE D. Especially without Maclin. No way Bill doesn't fence in Kelce.

Additionally, Pittsburgh is the only team that has a shot to upset Denver in Denver and giving NE a home game in the AFC championship.

This fell perfectly.

And if only Seattle just lost...
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Aside from the divine intervention and the wizardry Seattle doesn't look very intimidating at all. Granted they say the same thing about NE.

 
Run It Up said:
BigSteelThrill said:
kyoun1e said:
BigSteelThrill said:
kyoun1e said:
If you're a NE fan you want KC.
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:no:
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Another reason:

Andy Reid
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You keep telling yourself that. But nobody wanted anything to do with KC. You are trying to put a lipstick on a pig. :porked:
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No you're right lol, people are lining up around the block to play NE and Denver.
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Why would "not wanting to play KC" be mutually exclusive from "not wanting to play NE or Denver"? Personally I think it's a complete crap shoot in the AFC with the 4 teams left. It wouldn't surprise me if any of those teams made it to the Super Bowl

 
Courtjester said:
This is turning out well for my Broncos. Pitt comes limping in with possibly having to start a backup QB. NE has to play the team that's the hottest in the NFL with a defense that can give Brady fits.

Liking the way this is setting up.

Not trying to troll NE fans, but KC was easily the team I didn't want my Broncos to have to face.
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Did you suddenly forget that you have one of the worst playoff QBs starting for you? This isn't 2013 Manning anymore. He's a shell of his former self. Not sure how you think Denver has it easy, because even if Rapist is banged up I think he could do enough to pull off a win in Denver. Seems like a lot of Broncos fans are already overlooking the Steelers.

 
devouredbychaos said:
Courtjester said:
This is turning out well for my Broncos. Pitt comes limping in with possibly having to start a backup QB. NE has to play the team that's the hottest in the NFL with a defense that can give Brady fits.

Liking the way this is setting up.

Not trying to troll NE fans, but KC was easily the team I didn't want my Broncos to have to face.
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Did you suddenly forget that you have one of the worst playoff QBs starting for you? This isn't 2013 Manning anymore. He's a shell of his former self. Not sure how you think Denver has it easy, because even if Rapist is banged up I think he could do enough to pull off a win in Denver. Seems like a lot of Broncos fans are already overlooking the Steelers.
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Not this guy. I'm well aware of Manning's playoff history, coupled with the offensive struggles. I take solace in the Broncos having the best defense I've ever seen as a Bronco fan. I think that, provided Broncos safeties can play and the game is at home, Pittsburgh is the best match-up we could have, regardless of Ben/Antonio/DeAngelos health.That being said, I will be pulling for you guys regardless of the Broncos game. KC is an annoying division rival, who are just starting to get good. I want you guys to spank them back to irrelevance where they belong.

I'm completely comfortable in a world where the dominant AfC teams are Denver, NE, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Indy. I like you guys as a rival; not to keen with these upstarts like KC trying to eat at the grown-ups table.

 
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