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Baloney Sandwich said:
Pats laid out more cash than many thought they would for McCourty, lots of reports had them balking at going to 9M a year and they exceeded that. I wonder how much of a factor is the fact that the Pats need to get to the 89% figure by the end of next season and currently are well below when making Revis an offer. Could that lead them to dropping a large amount of guaranteed money on Revis for '15 & '16? Not sure how that all works.
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the way it works is that signing bonuses almost create an inverse relationship between cash and cap.

if nobody got signing bonuses and everybody got paid straight salary it would be very straightforward, but the bonus gets counted as cash when it's paid, and accounted for on cap over several years, so I think there's kind of been an every other year cycle of cash spending for the pats over the last few years.

if you've got cap issues you'd give a guy that 15m bonus with a 1m salary for a 4m cap hit in year 1, but if I start counting my cash spending in a year 2-5 period the 15m won't get counted in and I end up low on cash, but still carrying over 12m in cap accounting (assumed 5 yr deal).

this all just means that they just use bonuses with these guys that inflates the cash, annual average, and the guaranteed money, but keeps the actual salary and cap hits reasonable.

 
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Old Smiley said:
Curious about McCourty. Anybody see a sea change happening in terms of remuneration for smart, versatile safeties? I just wonder if Bill will lead the way on this. So much more time spent in sub packages nowadays. Plus the rise of the slot guys.
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Can't toot my own horn too much because almost everything I say is something I heard somewhere else, but I do wonder if we're going to see a general increase in value for safeties. Both in how they're perceived (like, star power) and how they get paid.

Bill leading the league as usual.

(another factor: more teams passing from large personnel sets 2TE etc.)

 
thought this was a good post from patchick over at the patsfans forums

think about this next time you're complaining about belichick moving around in the draft instead of taking your can't miss stud

As we sit here wondering how the Pats can afford to keep all of McCourty, Solder, Hightower, Jones and Collins, take a look at who Jax picked much higher in those same drafts:

2010: Trade for (Devin McCourty + Aaron Hernandez + Taylor Price) at #22 vs. Tyson Alualu #10
2011: Solder at #17 and trade for (Shane Vereen + most of Chandler Jones) at #28 vs. Blaine Gabbert #10
2012: Jones at #21, Hightower at #25 vs. Justin Blackmon #5
2013: Trade for (Jaime Collins + Logan Ryan + Josh Boyce + most of LaGarrette Blount) at #29 vs. Luke Joeckel at #2

To sum up: the Patriots spent 3,878 draft value points and reaped McCourty, Hernandez, Price, Solder, Vereen, Jones, Hightower, Collins, Ryan, Boyce and Blount.

The Jaguars spent 6,900 draft value points and reaped Alualu, Gabbert, Blackmon and Joeckel.
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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/the-self-perpetuating-cycle-of-really-bad-teams.1117734/

 
The Patriots have until today to decide on Browner's team option for the 2015 season. However, the Patriots would like to restructure the contract and have allowed Browner to explore his value around the league, according to another team source.

If the Patriots exercise Browner's option, he would count $4.8 million against the cap, but he would also earn a $2 million roster bonus tomorrow. If they decline the option, they would save $4.8 million against the cap without any dead money because Browner didn't receive a signing bonus last year.

Browner's value on the open market might actually approach $7 million to $8 million per year, according to the source, because Byron Maxwell ($63 million over six years, according to reports), Brandon Flowers ($36 million over four years, according to reports) and Kareem Jackson ($34 million over four years, according to reports) have shaped the cornerback market in the last couple days.
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AngryPatriot said:
I wonder if the Pats have their eye on any TE's, FA or draft?
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I've heard they looked at Fasano and Housler. I expect them to take a TE in the draft this year, either Jesse James or Tyler Kroft. But would be thrilled 8f they signed Housler.

 
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Pats give Browner permission to look elsewhere, assuming they hope to restructure. Looks like they are gonna keep Revis.

 
some reiss's pieces

McCourty1. Some folks have pointed out safety Devin McCourty's remarks on ESPN's "NFL Live" program on Monday, which run counter to a tweet I sent out Sunday night. McCourty said on "NFL Live" that it was Bill Belichick who had initiated the final phone call to McCourty which sparked the sides ultimately reaching a deal, not the other way around. Here is essentially what unfolded: The Patriots had been in contact throughout the negotiating process with McCourty's representatives and were informed Sunday that McCourty was ready to move on if they couldn't strike a deal. That sparked the final contact from Belichick to McCourty, which was detailed in the blog post that was tweeted. The blog entry itself was correct, but the tweet teasing it reversed who made initial contact. To me, that doesn't change the spirit or critical takeaway of the piece -- Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft and the Patriots stepped up at the end when McCourty let it be known he was prepared to depart. But we always want to strive for 100 percent accuracy and context, and that's why it's important to us to pass this along.
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3. Of the many things we heard from McCourty during his tour on ESPN's campus Monday, one thing that stood out was from an interview with Sirius XM NFL Radio when he relayed that he spoke with veteran defensive lineman Vince Wilfork after agreeing to an extension Sunday night. The two are close. McCourty said it was his belief that Wilfork hasn't closed the door on returning to the Patriots.
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Details of Devin McCourty's five-year, $47.5 million contract with the New England Patriots, based on information currently available (some minor details can change when officially approved).

McCourty
Signing bonus: $15 million ($5 million deferred to March 31, 2016)

2015
Base salary: $2.5 million (fully guaranteed)
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game)

2016
Base salary: $4.5 million (fully guaranteed)
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game)

2017
Base salary: $6.5 million (guaranteed for injury only; fully guaranteed if on roster on fifth day of league year)
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game)

2018
Base salary: $7.5 million
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game)

2019
Base salary: $9 million
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game)

ANALYSIS: This is a strong deal for McCourty, paying him $30 million over the first three years ($1.5 million of that is tied to roster bonuses), which is often the marker used to gauge a contract. We'll compute the salary-cap charges when the deal becomes official, but an early marker is that McCourty will count $6 million against the cap in 2015, and $8 million against the cap in 2016. For a comparison, here was ESPNBoston.com's proposed contract for McCourty, which matches up fairly closely with this pact.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

 
ratbast said:
So its a 2 year deal unless he is injured. My guess is they restructure by then.
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no, I wouldn't say a 2 yr deal

I don't know what kind of restructuring you have planned, but if they cut him after 2 yrs he'll carry a 9m cap hit, whereas keeping him for that 3rd year would be a 10m hit, and you supposedly have a top safety --- also, by this time cap will be 150+

that looks pretty solid for the pats through 4 years, and I don't think any of these 5+ yr deals really have a solid final year

 
Talking heads tonight reviewed the Browner situation and felt letting him pursue other options was intended to give him a raise and an extension not that they were going to cut him.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Talking heads tonight reviewed the Browner situation and felt letting him pursue other options was intended to give him a raise and an extension not that they were going to cut him.
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that whole browner situation is weird

maybe I'm just not understanding it, or we're missing some info.

 
Casting Couch said:
James Devlin re-signs with New England
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Rotoworld : Mar 10 - 1:52 PM

Patriots re-signed exclusive rights free agent FB James Develin to a one-year, $660,000 contract.
Develin was Pro Football Focus' No. 4 fullback last season, showing very well as a blocker.
He also caught all eight of his targets for 50 yards and one score.
 
Brandon Browner has announced he will not restructure his current contract.

Patriots need to exercise the option or cut him within the next hour.

 
Safe to assume that some other team will offer Revis a ridiculous contract that the Patriots will refuse to match?

I can't imagine him turning down an extra couple of mil just to stay in NE.

I'd say he is gone.

 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m4 minutes ago Well, this is interesting: Bills also expressing interest in free-agent CB Darrelle Revis, per sources. Rex does love his CBs...

Hilarious!!!

 
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As a pats fan, please no Harvin, please! Andre J. at a reasonable rate, heck yeah. Revis, just plain yes. Spiller? if cheap enough. aka under 3 mil/year

 
More from BenVolin:

The #Patriots don’t mind the $40m but want outs in the contract while Revis wants it fully guaranteed
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So close, being chained to Revis for three years isn't the worst thing the Pats have ever done in the Brady Belichick era.

 
Run It Up said:
More from BenVolin:

The #Patriots don’t mind the $40m but want outs in the contract while Revis wants it fully guaranteed
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So close, being chained to Revis for three years isn't the worst thing the Pats have ever done in the Brady Belichick era.
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I was originally saying 4 yrs at 13 per, all guaranteed would be enough to keep him.

Now the Patriots are balking at 3 and 40 mil, all guaranteed ?

I hope this isn't true.

 
Ugh, Pats (KRAFT!!!) can seem so damn cheap it ridiculous: like surrounding Brady with mostly 3rd rate talent for big chunks of his career etc etc.. But, everyone else is chasing the Pats. To have a team that wins the SB and then just lose a bunch of key players: Revis. Browner, Wilfork, Vereen is insane. The end result to be determined but at this point the team is weaker big time.

 
AngryPatriot said:
Ugh, Pats (KRAFT!!!) can seem so damn cheap it ridiculous: like surrounding Brady with mostly 3rd rate talent for big chunks of his career etc etc.. But, everyone else is chasing the Pats. To have a team that wins the SB and then just lose a bunch of key players: Revis. Browner, Wilfork, Vereen is insane. The end result to be determined but at this point the team is weaker big time.
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AngryPatriot said:
Ugh, Pats (KRAFT!!!) can seem so damn cheap it ridiculous: like surrounding Brady with mostly 3rd rate talent for big chunks of his career etc etc.. But, everyone else is chasing the Pats. To have a team that wins the SB and then just lose a bunch of key players: Revis. Browner, Wilfork, Vereen is insane. The end result to be determined but at this point the team is weaker big time.
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You heard about the McCourty deal, right? The richest one for a safety in NFL history?

 
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