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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (3 Viewers)

The offseason excitement continues:

The Patriots signed OT Calvin Anderson to a two-year deal. He started seven games for the Broncos last season. He's a better pass protector than a run blocker. He went undrafted in 2019, spent the year on practice squads, then spent the last three years on the Broncos' 53-man roster as a swing tackle. He adds depth for New England.
 
The Patriots plan to re-sign Jabrill Peppers, who was really good for them on special teams and as a No. 3/4 safety. Always seemed likely that he would return.
 
Just saw that they are 28.4mil under the cap...something's gotta give...right?
Are you thinking WR Trade coming? Hopkins is avail but not sure he fits their need. More like acquire Elijah Moore or bring in Adam Theilen?

With Damien Harris FA, cheap RB to work with RStevenson, compete with P Strong/KHarris depth?
 
Just saw that they are 28.4mil under the cap...something's gotta give...right?
Are you thinking WR Trade coming? Hopkins is avail but not sure he fits their need. More like acquire Elijah Moore or bring in Adam Theilen?

With Damien Harris FA, cheap RB to work with RStevenson, compete with P Strong/KHarris depth?

More of a general statement…team has a ton of holes and they have cap space so it has to be used at some point…WR is a top priority…they were subpar with Meyers and now are even worse…they need more than a Thielen type…Hopkins would fit the bill as would a first round pick…at RB the big question is what do they think of Strong and the other Harris…if they like them they just need something like a mid-found rookie or a reliable veteran FA…if they aren’t high on those two than the need is much greater.
 
I have heard talk / rumors / discussion that NE has been talking to teams about bringing in established vets at WR. They are said to want someone (maybe more than one someone) that can step in and be productive. Heard they are shopping picks and prefer not to have to draft and develop. The names floating around are Hopkins and Cooks, as well as one of the DEN receivers. That being said, NE generally works more in stealth mode, so I am guessing it might be someone else. From the sounds of it, they would part with the 14th pick if they were able to land someone that wasn’t demanding a huge contract extension right away. Not sure who fits the profile.
 
I have heard talk / rumors / discussion that NE has been talking to teams about bringing in established vets at WR. They are said to want someone (maybe more than one someone) that can step in and be productive. Heard they are shopping picks and prefer not to have to draft and develop. The names floating around are Hopkins and Cooks, as well as one of the DEN receivers. That being said, NE generally works more in stealth mode, so I am guessing it might be someone else. From the sounds of it, they would part with the 14th pick if they were able to land someone that wasn’t demanding a huge contract extension right away. Not sure who fits the profile.

That would be very interesting…that is a serious trade chip to part with…I think Jeudy would be a nice addition but not for that pick…Elijah Moore wouldn’t bother me but he is not worth close to that pick and not sure the Jets would deal him to the Pats…Higgins is the obvious pipe-dream but Cincy has been open about not wanting to deal him…I want no part of Cooks, been there done that…looking at all the other teams (and I am definitely winging it here) the only name that could make sense for the #14 is Chris Godwin…he is young, signed and maybe Tampa wants to reset…again, I have less than zero to base that on other than looking at all the teams and guessing who would be worth that pick and possibly be even available.
 
JuJu replaces Jakobi (sounds like a movie title)...I'm good with this as long as they bring in another higher-end WR as this is in the ballpark of a lateral move for the Pats...will be interesting to see how both do the next 3 years as they have pretty much the same contract and play a somewhat similar style...the question is did the Pats prefer Juju or is this a result of losing Meyers...definitely getting the vibe from the local media the Pats were not serious about resigning Meyers.

 
Meh. Never been a JuJu fan. He had one really good season with an insane target share.
They can’t be done at the WR spot. Depending upon who they add and where on the depth chart, this could be anywhere from a decent group to not that hot. JJSS - Parker - Bourne - Thornton - Jones. This assumes they add someone and keep Parker and Bourne.
 
Meyers to JuJu feels like a decent sized downgrade to me, and one with more injury risk to boot.

ETA: In my eyes, in a Bill O'Brien offense, the #1 WR is probably Devante Parker or Kendrick Bourne.
 
Meyers to JuJu feels like a decent sized downgrade to me, and one with more injury risk to boot.

ETA: In my eyes, in a Bill O'Brien offense, the #1 WR is probably Devante Parker or Kendrick Bourne.
Meyers and JuJu are probably a push. JJSS is probably 0.1 faster in the 40.

I have been pleading for NE to showcase Bourne way more since he got there. He has flashed big play ability. He and Patricia did not get along, but hopefully he can regain trust and move forward with BOB.
 
NE added RB James Robinson. The contract was reports as 2 years worth UP TO $8M if all incentives are met. Can't really tell if that is a contract with teeth or one that more reflects he can be cut in camp without much damage. I doubt the real numbers come close to that. Probably half as much, and with not a lot guaranteed.
 
Rumors out there that Hopkins and OBJ have discussed teaming up on NE. Mac said to have been texting Hopkins all week. I’ll believe something when I see it, but at least that stokes the narrative that the Pats are really making an effort to upgrade the offense.
 
Pats signed Gesicki. Clearly BB can't get enough of the mediocre TE carousel.

Rumors out there that Hopkins and OBJ have discussed teaming up on NE. Mac said to have been texting Hopkins all week. I’ll believe something when I see it, but at least that stokes the narrative that the Pats are really making an effort to upgrade the offense.

While I'd much rather see a move for Jeudy (or a similar, young WR with upside), getting these two in tandem would be pretty exciting. Probably only for a very short time given their age and injury histories, but still exciting in the Paper Tiger kind of way.
 
There is a strong undercurrent swirling from several media peeps that the Pats are about to make a big move and they have other things that will be forthcoming after that. Not sure what constitutes a big move, but something apparently is brewing.

:popcorn:
 
There is a strong undercurrent swirling from several media peeps that the Pats are about to make a big move and they have other things that will be forthcoming after that. Not sure what constitutes a big move, but something apparently is brewing.

:popcorn:
Ninkovich was on ESPN talking about how they should go for Lamar. Which, doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but would at least be entertaining.
 
There is a strong undercurrent swirling from several media peeps that the Pats are about to make a big move and they have other things that will be forthcoming after that. Not sure what constitutes a big move, but something apparently is brewing.

:popcorn:

 
There is a strong undercurrent swirling from several media peeps that the Pats are about to make a big move and they have other things that will be forthcoming after that. Not sure what constitutes a big move, but something apparently is brewing.

:popcorn:
Ninkovich was on ESPN talking about how they should go for Lamar. Which, doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but would at least be entertaining.

Not gonna happen but I would love that...also, they have become a boring team post-Brady and that would certainly add some juice.
 
There is a strong undercurrent swirling from several media peeps that the Pats are about to make a big move and they have other things that will be forthcoming after that. Not sure what constitutes a big move, but something apparently is brewing.

:popcorn:
Ninkovich was on ESPN talking about how they should go for Lamar. Which, doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but would at least be entertaining.

Not gonna happen but I would love that...also, they have become a boring team post-Brady and that would certainly add some juice.
Agreed 100%. The AFC East matchups would be nuts with Rodgers, Tua, Alan, and Lamar going head to head.
 
Chad Graff
Staff Writer, Patriots

The Patriots are signing LB and special teamer Chris Board to a two-year deal. Bill Belichick has long been a fan of Board’s special teams ability. Belichick isn’t messing around when it comes to the team’s special teams, signing Board and cutting Jake Bailey.
 
Chad Graff
Staff Writer, Patriots

The Patriots are signing LB and special teamer Chris Board to a two-year deal. Bill Belichick has long been a fan of Board’s special teams ability. Belichick isn’t messing around when it comes to the team’s special teams, signing Board and cutting Jake Bailey.
Ironically, Bill is probably more miffed about the special teams under-performance than that of the the offense.

You know he cares more...one of the surprises of this offseason is they kept the ST coach...thought for sure he was a goner.
 
Juju’s contract is essentially 2 years for $18M. Third year would be for $7.5M. Obviously there are incentives. Same thing for Gesicki. One year for $4.5M.

The Cowboys gave up two mid-late round picks for Cooks and only have to pay him $12M. I think I would rather have done that than sign JJSS.
 
Juju’s contract is essentially 2 years for $18M. Third year would be for $7.5M. Obviously there are incentives. Same thing for Gesicki. One year for $4.5M.

The Cowboys gave up two mid-late round picks for Cooks and only have to pay him $12M. I think I would rather have done that than sign JJSS.
Agree. It's pretty simple. Cooks is a proven WR1 and JuJu has proven he can't be a WR1. In fact, he's a marginal WR2.
 
Pats brought back Jalen Mills for 1 year worth up to $6.1M. Not sure what that means . . . could be less than that. Not sure why they did the dance of releasing and resigning him (and taking a $1.25M cap hit in the process).
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.
There are lots of unknowns within the division. How good will Rodgers be at age 39 and was last year's decline due to the thumb and loss of Adams. Will Tua stay healthy and can Ramsey & X return to form. Will Mac return to 2021 form and how good is Thornton and whoever else joins the WR core. BOB makes a difference, but the AFC east got better.

NE got lucky in that of their 4 toughest non-divisional opponents, KC, PHI, LAC, DAL, only DAL is away. For MIA & BUF, 3 of those 4 are away games. If I were a conspiracy guy, ....
 
If I were a conspiracy guy, ....
The NFL has had a rotating schedule since the league expanded to 32 teams in 2002. Every team knows who they will face ahead of time, and the home / road splits are predetermined. The only time it changed was when they added a 17th game . . . and now that extra game has been blended into the scheduling template. Bottom line, there is no wiggle room in the scheduling. No one decides anything. It's auto generated.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.

Those guys are delusional (and I love Curran)...BOB is a big upgrade but I laugh at the fact he has suddenly become Bill Walsh or Don Coryell...with the upgrades in the division and what looks to be a tough out-of-division schedule I think that unless some other big moves come Vegas is dead-on and they will have anywhere between 5-8 wins.
 
If I were a conspiracy guy, ....
The NFL has had a rotating schedule since the league expanded to 32 teams in 2002. Every team knows who they will face ahead of time, and the home / road splits are predetermined. The only time it changed was when they added a 17th game . . . and now that extra game has been blended into the scheduling template. Bottom line, there is no wiggle room in the scheduling. No one decides anything. It's auto generated.
The only wiggle room I've read about is scheduling byes, at least for teams that travel overseas. IIRC, Dolphin owner Ross asked for the bye later in the season, instead of the usual bye after the week 7 London game in 2021. Weather used to be a factor in scheduling back in the day, for divisional games. Not anymore - see BUF & MIA last year.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.

Those guys are delusional (and I love Curran)...BOB is a big upgrade but I laugh at the fact he has suddenly become Bill Walsh or Don Coryell...with the upgrades in the division and what looks to be a tough out-of-division schedule I think that unless some other big moves come Vegas is dead-on and they will have anywhere between 5-8 wins.
I think they are trapped in an 8-10 win loop. They had 8 wins last year, but GB, MIN, LV, and CIN had weird plays near the end that kept them out of the playoffs. I wouldn't change my opinion of them (one click above average), but they could have had 10-11 wins last year and the narrative might be different. They wouldn't be a better team, but lots of folks look at making the playoffs as a drop dead cut off for them.

Their biggest issue is other teams in the division / conference are way more talented than they used to be and have legit QBs . . . that hardly happened in the Brady era. There are a lot fewer doormats than their used to be. I still think they will add a couple other pieces via free agency / trade / the draft and they will be competitive in most games. Last year they just made way too many idiodic mistakes. I am pretty sure BB looks at how things played out and thinks they aren't that far away from being a competitive team. I think they are a lot farther away than he does.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.

Those guys are delusional (and I love Curran)...BOB is a big upgrade but I laugh at the fact he has suddenly become Bill Walsh or Don Coryell...with the upgrades in the division and what looks to be a tough out-of-division schedule I think that unless some other big moves come Vegas is dead-on and they will have anywhere between 5-8 wins.
I think they are trapped in an 8-10 win loop. They had 8 wins last year, but GB, MIN, LV, and CIN had weird plays near the end that kept them out of the playoffs. I wouldn't change my opinion of them (one click above average), but they could have had 10-11 wins last year and the narrative might be different. They wouldn't be a better team, but lots of folks look at making the playoffs as a drop dead cut off for them.

Their biggest issue is other teams in the division / conference are way more talented than they used to be and have legit QBs . . . that hardly happened in the Brady era. There are a lot fewer doormats than their used to be. I still think they will add a couple other pieces via free agency / trade / the draft and they will be competitive in most games. Last year they just made way too many idiodic mistakes. I am pretty sure BB looks at how things played out and thinks they aren't that far away from being a competitive team. I think they are a lot farther away than he does.

I think they will be competitive because BB is the HC but talent-wise they are in the bottom 1/3 of the AFC and with a few injuries (Judon, Stevenson for example) they could really take a step backwards...I just look at that schedule and don't see a ton of upside...BB the GM is still trying to build a team as if Brady is the QB and a few special teams plays will the difference...that formula is not working anymore and unfortunately it appears he is not going to change which is why they are stuck in neutral...would love to get a new GM and keep BB as the HC but that aint happening.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.

Those guys are delusional (and I love Curran)...BOB is a big upgrade but I laugh at the fact he has suddenly become Bill Walsh or Don Coryell...with the upgrades in the division and what looks to be a tough out-of-division schedule I think that unless some other big moves come Vegas is dead-on and they will have anywhere between 5-8 wins.
I think they are trapped in an 8-10 win loop. They had 8 wins last year, but GB, MIN, LV, and CIN had weird plays near the end that kept them out of the playoffs. I wouldn't change my opinion of them (one click above average), but they could have had 10-11 wins last year and the narrative might be different. They wouldn't be a better team, but lots of folks look at making the playoffs as a drop dead cut off for them.

Their biggest issue is other teams in the division / conference are way more talented than they used to be and have legit QBs . . . that hardly happened in the Brady era. There are a lot fewer doormats than their used to be. I still think they will add a couple other pieces via free agency / trade / the draft and they will be competitive in most games. Last year they just made way too many idiodic mistakes. I am pretty sure BB looks at how things played out and thinks they aren't that far away from being a competitive team. I think they are a lot farther away than he does.

I think they will be competitive because BB is the HC but talent-wise they are in the bottom 1/3 of the AFC and with a few injuries (Judon, Stevenson for example) they could really take a step backwards...I just look at that schedule and don't see a ton of upside...BB the GM is still trying to build a team as if Brady is the QB and a few special teams plays will the difference...that formula is not working anymore and unfortunately it appears he is not going to change which is why they are stuck in neutral...would love to get a new GM and keep BB as the HC but that aint happening.
Part of the problem is we as fans have to imagine how things could work (vs. them already working the past couple of years). Looking at position groupings . . .

QB: They are more than likely sticking with Mac, at least through his rookie contract. He didn't impress me much last year, even if a lot of it wasn't his fault. Compared to other AFC foes, this spot is a liability.
RB: Stevenson is emerging as one of the better backs in the league, Strong flashed last year, the remaining Harris was decent, I think Robinson before he got hurt was a nice surprise for JAC, and Ty Montgomery is said to be healthy. IMO, one of the better RB groups in the league.
WR: TBA-Parker-JJSS-Thornton-Bourne-Jones. Depending on who they add, they could have a decent batch here but if they don't add anyone good it will be recycled toilet water.
TE: Henry and Gesicki aren't a bad tandem and they will probably draft another in a deep TE draft. The last couple of years TE was an after thought. Hopefully BOB goes back to using the TEs more. I'd say this group will end up being a plus . . . but not by a ton.
OL: The OL early on last year was a disaster. It improved as the year went on, but it was too inconsistent and took too many penalties. They brought in depth pieces but I sure hope they don't have to play them. They should be targeting an early OT and someone else in the mid to late rounds. Average group here.
DL: NE got a lot more pressure and sacks last year than they usually do. They allow too many rushing yards to teams that like to run. Hard to breakdown what's the edge vs. what the backers are doing. Pass rush is above average to good. Run stopping is only ok.
LB: They need more talent here. Judon and Uche are solid rushers but not great tacklers or in coverage. One long-term injury and this unit would a total liability. Not sure where help would come from. At least they got away from slow footed, oversized bangers. The league is a lot faster, so smaller and quicker is more valuable. Grade: Incomplete.
CB: They will likely invest in the draft. Mills probably getting moved to safety. The pass defense numbers last year were decent, but I don't have faith the guys they roll out there can do well for 60 minutes against the Allen's, Mahomes, or Burrow's of the world. Probably paper tigers, but they still are probably above average.
S: I think they can move some guys around to overcome losing DMC, but they will have depth issues. I would not run out and draft a safety early. They should be able to coach up a couple of people to prevent big plays. At least, one would hope. Probably average to above average.
ST: Folk is accurate but ancient. Punter was a disaster. Kick coverage was not great. Blocking on kicks was a concern. They had the #32 ranked ST unit last year. With the amount the BB pays some of these guys, if they aren't at the top of the league, it isn't worth it. F- for a grade.
Coaching Staff: IMO, they should not be earning praise for moving on from the abomination and toxic experiment on offense last year. BOB is an upgrade, but that gets the offensive play calling up to average, Congrats. Maybe BOB can scheme up some better plays, maybe the pieces fit and are used better, maybe they bring in a couple of pieces before the seasons starts. But they are trying to have production that exceeds the sum of their parts.

Overall, I think they have some young guys with upside . . . but they don't have nearly enough veterans that anyone really worries about. As some DC's mentioned last year, no one on the Patriots scared them. If they can manage to get RS, Thornton, Jones, Bourne, and Strong in space, then they could get some chunk plays. The player not yet on the roster could help too, but when we are discussing a guy not even on the roster as a difference maker, you know you don't have nearly enough to work with.
 
There definitely is a wide range of opinions on NE this upcoming year. Some sports books have NE at 70-1 to win the SB . . . their worst odds in 30 years. That ranks them 29th in the league, trailing only ATL, IND, and ARI. Yes, Vegas things the Bears and Panthers have a better shot at a title this season.

However, listening to a discussion on TV the other night, Tom Curran said BOB himself was worth 3 wins and NE would win 11 games and make the playoffs. Ceiling of 13 wins, floor of 9 wins. Michael Holley thought 13 wasn't going to happen but 11 was reasonable. Felger was not impressed and felt they were still an 8 win team.

Those guys are delusional (and I love Curran)...BOB is a big upgrade but I laugh at the fact he has suddenly become Bill Walsh or Don Coryell...with the upgrades in the division and what looks to be a tough out-of-division schedule I think that unless some other big moves come Vegas is dead-on and they will have anywhere between 5-8 wins.
I think they are trapped in an 8-10 win loop. They had 8 wins last year, but GB, MIN, LV, and CIN had weird plays near the end that kept them out of the playoffs. I wouldn't change my opinion of them (one click above average), but they could have had 10-11 wins last year and the narrative might be different. They wouldn't be a better team, but lots of folks look at making the playoffs as a drop dead cut off for them.

Their biggest issue is other teams in the division / conference are way more talented than they used to be and have legit QBs . . . that hardly happened in the Brady era. There are a lot fewer doormats than their used to be. I still think they will add a couple other pieces via free agency / trade / the draft and they will be competitive in most games. Last year they just made way too many idiodic mistakes. I am pretty sure BB looks at how things played out and thinks they aren't that far away from being a competitive team. I think they are a lot farther away than he does.

I think they will be competitive because BB is the HC but talent-wise they are in the bottom 1/3 of the AFC and with a few injuries (Judon, Stevenson for example) they could really take a step backwards...I just look at that schedule and don't see a ton of upside...BB the GM is still trying to build a team as if Brady is the QB and a few special teams plays will the difference...that formula is not working anymore and unfortunately it appears he is not going to change which is why they are stuck in neutral...would love to get a new GM and keep BB as the HC but that aint happening.
Part of the problem is we as fans have to imagine how things could work (vs. them already working the past couple of years). Looking at position groupings . . .

QB: They are more than likely sticking with Mac, at least through his rookie contract. He didn't impress me much last year, even if a lot of it wasn't his fault. Compared to other AFC foes, this spot is a liability.
RB: Stevenson is emerging as one of the better backs in the league, Strong flashed last year, the remaining Harris was decent, I think Robinson before he got hurt was a nice surprise for JAC, and Ty Montgomery is said to be healthy. IMO, one of the better RB groups in the league.
WR: TBA-Parker-JJSS-Thornton-Bourne-Jones. Depending on who they add, they could have a decent batch here but if they don't add anyone good it will be recycled toilet water.
TE: Henry and Gesicki aren't a bad tandem and they will probably draft another in a deep TE draft. The last couple of years TE was an after thought. Hopefully BOB goes back to using the TEs more. I'd say this group will end up being a plus . . . but not by a ton.
OL: The OL early on last year was a disaster. It improved as the year went on, but it was too inconsistent and took too many penalties. They brought in depth pieces but I sure hope they don't have to play them. They should be targeting an early OT and someone else in the mid to late rounds. Average group here.
DL: NE got a lot more pressure and sacks last year than they usually do. They allow too many rushing yards to teams that like to run. Hard to breakdown what's the edge vs. what the backers are doing. Pass rush is above average to good. Run stopping is only ok.
LB: They need more talent here. Judon and Uche are solid rushers but not great tacklers or in coverage. One long-term injury and this unit would a total liability. Not sure where help would come from. At least they got away from slow footed, oversized bangers. The league is a lot faster, so smaller and quicker is more valuable. Grade: Incomplete.
CB: They will likely invest in the draft. Mills probably getting moved to safety. The pass defense numbers last year were decent, but I don't have faith the guys they roll out there can do well for 60 minutes against the Allen's, Mahomes, or Burrow's of the world. Probably paper tigers, but they still are probably above average.
S: I think they can move some guys around to overcome losing DMC, but they will have depth issues. I would not run out and draft a safety early. They should be able to coach up a couple of people to prevent big plays. At least, one would hope. Probably average to above average.
ST: Folk is accurate but ancient. Punter was a disaster. Kick coverage was not great. Blocking on kicks was a concern. They had the #32 ranked ST unit last year. With the amount the BB pays some of these guys, if they aren't at the top of the league, it isn't worth it. F- for a grade.
Coaching Staff: IMO, they should not be earning praise for moving on from the abomination and toxic experiment on offense last year. BOB is an upgrade, but that gets the offensive play calling up to average, Congrats. Maybe BOB can scheme up some better plays, maybe the pieces fit and are used better, maybe they bring in a couple of pieces before the seasons starts. But they are trying to have production that exceeds the sum of their parts.

Overall, I think they have some young guys with upside . . . but they don't have nearly enough veterans that anyone really worries about. As some DC's mentioned last year, no one on the Patriots scared them. If they can manage to get RS, Thornton, Jones, Bourne, and Strong in space, then they could get some chunk plays. The player not yet on the roster could help too, but when we are discussing a guy not even on the roster as a difference maker, you know you don't have nearly enough to work with.

Good recap...only beef I have is RB...I don't see this as one of the better groups right now...Stevenson is the real deal but after that it is one gigantic question mark...Robinson was benched last year, Harris and Strong were pretty much redshirted and while reports on Montgomery pre-injury were positive he was a journeyman before that...there is as much upside as there is downside with this group...unless they are totally sold on Harris and Strong it would not bother me one bit to use one of those #4's on that deep pool of RB talent...if Stevenson were to go down they could be in big trouble at this position.
 
Good recap...only beef I have is RB...I don't see this as one of the better groups right now...Stevenson is the real deal but after that it is one gigantic question mark...Robinson was benched last year, Harris and Strong were pretty much redshirted and while reports on Montgomery pre-injury were positive he was a journeyman before that...there is as much upside as there is downside with this group...unless they are totally sold on Harris and Strong it would not bother me one bit to use one of those #4's on that deep pool of RB talent...if Stevenson were to go down they could be in big trouble at this position.
You might consider this a cop out, but redshirt NE backs have typically made huge strides and been productive in Year 2. Robinson had 1410 YFS / 10 as an undrafted rookie. He got benched because he wasn't recovered from ACL surgery and came back too soon. My assessment is more based on a good faith evaluation of what I am expecting . . . which ties back to what I mentioned initially. It's mostly a projection vs. proven production on the field (although I think we can say RS has already shown he's capable).
 
Good recap...only beef I have is RB...I don't see this as one of the better groups right now...Stevenson is the real deal but after that it is one gigantic question mark...Robinson was benched last year, Harris and Strong were pretty much redshirted and while reports on Montgomery pre-injury were positive he was a journeyman before that...there is as much upside as there is downside with this group...unless they are totally sold on Harris and Strong it would not bother me one bit to use one of those #4's on that deep pool of RB talent...if Stevenson were to go down they could be in big trouble at this position.
You might consider this a cop out, but redshirt NE backs have typically made huge strides and been productive in Year 2. Robinson had 1410 YFS / 10 as an undrafted rookie. He got benched because he wasn't recovered from ACL surgery and came back too soon. My assessment is more based on a good faith evaluation of what I am expecting . . . which ties back to what I mentioned initially. It's mostly a projection vs. proven production on the field (although I think we can say RS has already shown he's capable).

No doubt it could happen, but I think it is premature to call it one of the better RB corps in the league...Stevenson is your only definite...Strong is the one I would really like to see solidify himself...he showed some glimpses and his role/profile fits into the redshirt scenario where they have had success...I would like to see them add one of the rookie RBs that have playmaking ability...this O is begging for those type of players regardless of the position.
 
No doubt it could happen, but I think it is premature to call it one of the better RB corps in the league...Stevenson is your only definite...Strong is the one I would really like to see solidify himself...he showed some glimpses and his role/profile fits into the redshirt scenario where they have had success...I would like to see them add one of the rookie RBs that have playmaking ability...this O is begging for those type of players regardless of the position.
The Pats got 2231 YFS/11 TD out of the RBs last year (with DHarris in a very limited role). They almost always get 2000+/10+ each year. The names change, but the production doesn't. IMO, they are both proven (track record) and unproven (different guys) at the same time.
 
No doubt it could happen, but I think it is premature to call it one of the better RB corps in the league...Stevenson is your only definite...Strong is the one I would really like to see solidify himself...he showed some glimpses and his role/profile fits into the redshirt scenario where they have had success...I would like to see them add one of the rookie RBs that have playmaking ability...this O is begging for those type of players regardless of the position.
The Pats got 2231 YFS/11 TD out of the RBs last year (with DHarris in a very limited role). They almost always get 2000+/10+ each year. The names change, but the production doesn't. IMO, they are both proven (track record) and unproven (different guys) at the same time.

They need more playmaking ability...it is a different world without Brady...the old way of doing business is not working too well.
 
They need more playmaking ability...it is a different world without Brady...the old way of doing business is not working too well.
IMO, even with Brady they would be dead in the water. They might have a year similar to 2019, but the roster composition with or without Brady is not the right mix to succeed in today's NFL. They might eke out a couple extra wins with TB12, but they wouldn't be a legit contender. Obviously, any game with Brady there would be a chance of a win, but I doubt this team with Brady could win 4 post season games against the competition that's out there. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone . . . Brady griped all year in his last ride in Foxboro.

For better or for worse, BB's strategy over the years has been to zig where other teams zag, collecting players that were jettisoned elsewhere to try to find an alternate style of play that other teams would struggle against. For example, he was an early adapter of the slot receiver. Or the 2 TE set. Or defenders that played in specific situations only (and therefore cost way less). Or gaming the compensatory pick system. Of course, Brady was the ultimate trump card and magic eraser that neutralized mistakes, and the combination of living in the past strategically and not having Brady as a get out of jail free card has left them smack dab in the middle of the Land of Mediocrity, with teams like the Lions and Raiders as next-door neighbors.
 
They need more playmaking ability...it is a different world without Brady...the old way of doing business is not working too well.
IMO, even with Brady they would be dead in the water. They might have a year similar to 2019, but the roster composition with or without Brady is not the right mix to succeed in today's NFL. They might eke out a couple extra wins with TB12, but they wouldn't be a legit contender. Obviously, any game with Brady there would be a chance of a win, but I doubt this team with Brady could win 4 post season games against the competition that's out there. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone . . . Brady griped all year in his last ride in Foxboro.

For better or for worse, BB's strategy over the years has been to zig where other teams zag, collecting players that were jettisoned elsewhere to try to find an alternate style of play that other teams would struggle against. For example, he was an early adapter of the slot receiver. Or the 2 TE set. Or defenders that played in specific situations only (and therefore cost way less). Or gaming the compensatory pick system. Of course, Brady was the ultimate trump card and magic eraser that neutralized mistakes, and the combination of living in the past strategically and not having Brady as a get out of jail free card has left them smack dab in the middle of the Land of Mediocrity, with teams like the Lions and Raiders as next-door neighbors.

Totally agree…Father Time is undefeated and unfortunately it appears to be catching-up with BB…or at least BB the GM.
 

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