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Indefinite New England Patriots Thread (10 Viewers)

Anarchy99 said:
kyoun1e said:
An offense that includes Ridley, Bourne, Pop, insert 2nd round WR here, H. Henry, Rhamandre, Gibson isn't so...laughable.
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I would drop out the guys they already had . . . we saw what they did (plus Bourne may not even be 100%) That means the new faces would be Ridley, a second round WR, and Gibson. They've missed on a ton of second round receivers, so I have little faith that player would do much his first year. IMO, Damien Harris and Stevenson were a better pair than Stevenson and Gibson. IMO, this would turn the #32 ranked offense into the #25 ranked offense if their new QB panned out. Still not impressed if that was what they ended up with . . . but that's the thing. We don't know what they would end up with as of yet.
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Why does what they did with BB with WRs matter if it doesn't with RBs?
 
Boston said:
Anarchy99 said:
Boston said:
I don't think it is just about moving the needle in W's and L's...they have a long way to go in that area...it is also about putting the young QB (if that is what they do in the draft) in the best position to succeed which is the most important thing if they do use that #3 on one...if they were tight with the cap I would have no interest in Ridley but with all the space they have it is a luxury they can afford if they want to.
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It depends what he signs for. I wouldn't give him 4/$100M. I'd rather they drafted a WR than do that . . . or trade for someone. Just because they need a WR doesn't mean they should take the last guy standing and overpay him.
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If you can figure out another way to upgrade the WR I am all in as long as they do it...Ridley is an option based on being available and the Pats having a ton of cap space...if they can add another legit WR or two and upgrade the tackle position they will be in a far better spot than they were with last year's train wreck.
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I like the positivity and the enthusiasm, but they have more ifs than every team in the league. They haven't hit on any of the positions we've listed off and discussed in many years, either by draft, trade, or free agency.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Boston said:
Anarchy99 said:
Boston said:
I don't think it is just about moving the needle in W's and L's...they have a long way to go in that area...it is also about putting the young QB (if that is what they do in the draft) in the best position to succeed which is the most important thing if they do use that #3 on one...if they were tight with the cap I would have no interest in Ridley but with all the space they have it is a luxury they can afford if they want to.
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It depends what he signs for. I wouldn't give him 4/$100M. I'd rather they drafted a WR than do that . . . or trade for someone. Just because they need a WR doesn't mean they should take the last guy standing and overpay him.
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If you can figure out another way to upgrade the WR I am all in as long as they do it...Ridley is an option based on being available and the Pats having a ton of cap space...if they can add another legit WR or two and upgrade the tackle position they will be in a far better spot than they were with last year's train wreck.
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I like the positivity and the enthusiasm, but they have more ifs than every team in the league. They haven't hit on any of the positions we've listed off and discussed in many years, either by draft, trade, or free agency.
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I know...I was the one arguing that all last off-season...this is far from a one-year turnaround...short-term it is about stopping the bleeding and moving in the right direction...they are not getting out of this unless they nail the draft but short-term they need to be at least functional which they weren't on O last year.
 
Boston said:
Anarchy99 said:
kyoun1e said:
An offense that includes Ridley, Bourne, Pop, insert 2nd round WR here, H. Henry, Rhamandre, Gibson isn't so...laughable.
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I would drop out the guys they already had . . . we saw what they did (plus Bourne may not even be 100%) That means the new faces would be Ridley, a second round WR, and Gibson. They've missed on a ton of second round receivers, so I have little faith that player would do much his first year. IMO, Damien Harris and Stevenson were a better pair than Stevenson and Gibson. IMO, this would turn the #32 ranked offense into the #25 ranked offense if their new QB panned out. Still not impressed if that was what they ended up with . . . but that's the thing. We don't know what they would end up with as of yet.
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Why does what they did with BB with WRs matter if it doesn't with RBs?
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Because the guys evaluating and drafting the WRs are some of the same people that were involved in the process of selected them. Typically, offensive coordinators run a similar system from team to team. That might change some based on personnel, but it's not like NE has Jefferson to force feed 180 targets to, a RB to give the ball 350 times, or a QB that can air it out 700 times a season. I would expect NE to resemble what the Browns looked like.

As for when players sign, they signed Okorofor very early in the process. He lost his job in PIT and by all accounts was a substandard tackle and should not have been starting in the first place. Does that mean NE will make him a focus of the OL because they signed him so quickly? IMO, Gibson was relatively productive and not that expensive. I wouldn't read into how much they will use him based on his early signing.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Boston said:
Anarchy99 said:
kyoun1e said:
An offense that includes Ridley, Bourne, Pop, insert 2nd round WR here, H. Henry, Rhamandre, Gibson isn't so...laughable.
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I would drop out the guys they already had . . . we saw what they did (plus Bourne may not even be 100%) That means the new faces would be Ridley, a second round WR, and Gibson. They've missed on a ton of second round receivers, so I have little faith that player would do much his first year. IMO, Damien Harris and Stevenson were a better pair than Stevenson and Gibson. IMO, this would turn the #32 ranked offense into the #25 ranked offense if their new QB panned out. Still not impressed if that was what they ended up with . . . but that's the thing. We don't know what they would end up with as of yet.
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Why does what they did with BB with WRs matter if it doesn't with RBs?
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Because the guys evaluating and drafting the WRs are some of the same people that were involved in the process of selected them. Typically, offensive coordinators run a similar system from team to team. That might change some based on personnel, but it's not like NE has Jefferson to force feed 180 targets to, a RB to give the ball 350 times, or a QB that can air it out 700 times a season. I would expect NE to resemble what the Browns looked like.

As for when players sign, they signed Okorofor very early in the process. He lost his job in PIT and by all accounts was a substandard tackle and should not have been starting in the first place. Does that mean NE will make him a focus of the OL because they signed him so quickly? IMO, Gibson was relatively productive and not that expensive. I wouldn't read into how much they will use him based on his early signing.
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Like usual we will agree to disagree....we can watch it play out and see where it goes.
 
I get that they have money to spend, but so far, they have invested approximately $149M this week and the only new players on the roster are Gibson and Okorafor.
 
Anarchy99 said:
I get that they have money to spend, but so far, they have invested approximately $149M this week and the only new players on the roster are Gibson and Okorafor.
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Due to the disaster BB left them in if they hadn't re-signed Mike O and Henry they would somehow be in worst shape than they were last year...again, this year is about stopping the bleeding and becoming a functional offense which they weren't last year....adding Gibson and cutting Parker are two more positive moves.
 
Not sure if any of you all are Waldman pod listeners but the vibes I'm getting "pre-RSP day" are that he has Nix and Penix way above Maye and probably Daniels on his board. The Brissette signing certainly seems to be a sign in my book that they're leaning toward sticking at 3 with Maye or Daniels and giving them at least 6 games with a clipboard (hopefully more).

But if Waldman was running the draft, he'd move around the board and pick up Penix or Nix and Nabers.

So far though, just about everything the FO has done "makes sense" which is a refreshing change.
 
greenmountaingoat said:
Not sure if any of you all are Waldman pod listeners but the vibes I'm getting "pre-RSP day" are that he has Nix and Penix way above Maye and probably Daniels on his board. The Brissette signing certainly seems to be a sign in my book that they're leaning toward sticking at 3 with Maye or Daniels and giving them at least 6 games with a clipboard (hopefully more).

But if Waldman was running the draft, he'd move around the board and pick up Penix or Nix and Nabers.

So far though, just about everything the FO has done "makes sense" which is a refreshing change.
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interesting, think they could still move around the board w/ Brissett if they wanted
 
Mitchie said:
greenmountaingoat said:
Not sure if any of you all are Waldman pod listeners but the vibes I'm getting "pre-RSP day" are that he has Nix and Penix way above Maye and probably Daniels on his board. The Brissette signing certainly seems to be a sign in my book that they're leaning toward sticking at 3 with Maye or Daniels and giving them at least 6 games with a clipboard (hopefully more).

But if Waldman was running the draft, he'd move around the board and pick up Penix or Nix and Nabers.

So far though, just about everything the FO has done "makes sense" which is a refreshing change.
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interesting, think they could still move around the board w/ Brissett if they wanted
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The most likely outcome is they pick a QB at #3. However. I don't think the guy that will be available there will be much better than the other options that should be available in the first or early second. That's why I think the shark move would be to drop down (NYG or MIN spots come to mind) and accumulate picks. At that spot, hopefully there will be someone juicy on another team's draft board and drop down again for more picks. As you said, moving around the board, they should be able to come away with three guys through their scheduled second round pick. I know drafting just on positional need isn't always the best plan, but theoretically they could have 3 picks in the top 35 and come away with a QB, OT, and WR. In this scenario, I don't think they lose much at QB with one of the other options, they get a highly graded OT, a WR with upside, and likely more picks next year (and / or mid-round picks this year). I would rather they have that OT included and extra picks than just staying put at #3. IMO, that fills more holes and gives them more chances on hitting on those extra picks.
 
If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Patriots are “pushing to sign free-agent WR Calvin Ridley, but sources believe that he currently prefers to return to Jacksonville.”
The Jaguars have already spent a sizable chunk of change on Gabe Davis but may not be done yet. The Patriots have the money to outbid Jacksonville if they want to, but money doesn’t appear to be the only factor for Ridley. Going to New England would likely pair him with a rookie quarterback on a low-volume offense. Even if they can give him more money, he may prefer to immediately contend for a playoff berth on a better offense at the cost of a few million dollars. If the Jags bring back Ridley, they will likely cut Zay Jones for extra cap space. Jones would also be redundant as the team’s fourth receiver behind Ridley, Davis, and Christian Kirk.
 
kyoun1e said:
If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Patriots are “pushing to sign free-agent WR Calvin Ridley, but sources believe that he currently prefers to return to Jacksonville.”
The Jaguars have already spent a sizable chunk of change on Gabe Davis but may not be done yet. The Patriots have the money to outbid Jacksonville if they want to, but money doesn’t appear to be the only factor for Ridley. Going to New England would likely pair him with a rookie quarterback on a low-volume offense. Even if they can give him more money, he may prefer to immediately contend for a playoff berth on a better offense at the cost of a few million dollars. If the Jags bring back Ridley, they will likely cut Zay Jones for extra cap space. Jones would also be redundant as the team’s fourth receiver behind Ridley, Davis, and Christian Kirk.
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In fairness, few players without previous ties to the Pats will want to be here unless it's for a considerable pay raise or for an opportunity they can't get elsewhere. It sucks as a Pats fan but this was already not exactly a destination for free agents even when Brady was around because of how the team operated as far as spending goes. It's even worse now. If Ridley wants to take less so that could play for a playoff contender and likely see better production, hard to blame him. But this could also be a negotiation tactic to get the Pats to up their offer to him. My guess is though he's not coming here, and it is what it is in that case.
 
Lansdowne said:
kyoun1e said:
If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Patriots are “pushing to sign free-agent WR Calvin Ridley, but sources believe that he currently prefers to return to Jacksonville.”
The Jaguars have already spent a sizable chunk of change on Gabe Davis but may not be done yet. The Patriots have the money to outbid Jacksonville if they want to, but money doesn’t appear to be the only factor for Ridley. Going to New England would likely pair him with a rookie quarterback on a low-volume offense. Even if they can give him more money, he may prefer to immediately contend for a playoff berth on a better offense at the cost of a few million dollars. If the Jags bring back Ridley, they will likely cut Zay Jones for extra cap space. Jones would also be redundant as the team’s fourth receiver behind Ridley, Davis, and Christian Kirk.
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In fairness, few players without previous ties to the Pats will want to be here unless it's for a considerable pay raise or for an opportunity they can't get elsewhere. It sucks as a Pats fan but this was already not exactly a destination for free agents even when Brady was around because of how the team operated as far as spending goes. It's even worse now. If Ridley wants to take less so that could play for a playoff contender and likely see better production, hard to blame him. But this could also be a negotiation tactic to get the Pats to up their offer to him. My guess is though he's not coming here, and it is what it is in that case.
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Agree on all points.
 
kyoun1e said:
If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Patriots are “pushing to sign free-agent WR Calvin Ridley, but sources believe that he currently prefers to return to Jacksonville.”
The Jaguars have already spent a sizable chunk of change on Gabe Davis but may not be done yet. The Patriots have the money to outbid Jacksonville if they want to, but money doesn’t appear to be the only factor for Ridley. Going to New England would likely pair him with a rookie quarterback on a low-volume offense. Even if they can give him more money, he may prefer to immediately contend for a playoff berth on a better offense at the cost of a few million dollars. If the Jags bring back Ridley, they will likely cut Zay Jones for extra cap space. Jones would also be redundant as the team’s fourth receiver behind Ridley, Davis, and Christian Kirk.
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I would trade Davis for Zay Jones straight up.
 
Don’t have a link but it said: Jax lose conditional round if he’s signed now. The difference between 2nd and 3rd. So seems like it’s Jax holding the cards. Maybe Ridley doing them a solid? Pardon me if already talked about.
 
ratbast said:
Don’t have a link but it said: Jax lose conditional round if he’s signed now. The difference between 2nd and 3rd. So seems like it’s Jax holding the cards. Maybe Ridley doing them a solid? Pardon me if already talked about.
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I’m not sure that enters the equation for Ridley - I just think he’s looking at the NEP QB situation & would rather be on a team with a chance to compete.

NEP is in a brutal division & right now Jacobi Brissett is the best QB on the roster. Hardly a recipe for putting up numbers if you’re a WR looking to win a ring or at least leave your mark on the NFL.

At this point it feels like players end up in New England. They’re not targeting New England.
 
ratbast said:
Don’t have a link but it said: Jax lose conditional round if he’s signed now. The difference between 2nd and 3rd. So seems like it’s Jax holding the cards. Maybe Ridley doing them a solid? Pardon me if already talked about.
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Yeah I think that's the only reason he hasn't signed by now. If he was going to another team he wouldn't really need to wait. Pretty safe bet he's staying in Jacksonville.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Uche back for 1/$3M with another $5M available in incentives.
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Wow…is that low…after his 11.5 sacks in 2022 he looked like he was headed for a solid payday…he is pretty one-dimensional but when that dimension is getting to the QB there is usually someone who will give you some $…hopefully they can figure out the best way to get him back to what he was in 2022…no reason at all not to bring him back at that #.
 
They should go after Aiyuk and Ridley. Get two explosive guys to go with Bourne and Pop. Jettison Smith-Douchebag and maybe go get Austin Hooper at TE. Tee Higgins wouldn't be worth the draft capital.
 
Bad_Mo2 said:
They should go after Aiyuk and Ridley. Get two explosive guys to go with Bourne and Pop. Jettison Smith-Douchebag and maybe go get Austin Hooper at TE. Tee Higgins wouldn't be worth the draft capital.
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Sounds like JAX is playing games, that is, a waiting game. If they sign Ridley before 4 pm tmrw, they owe ATL a 2nd round pick. If they wait until after 4 tmrw, it's a 3rd round pick.

Have a feeling at 4:01 Wednesday Ridley remains a Jaguar.
 
kyoun1e said:
Bad_Mo2 said:
They should go after Aiyuk and Ridley. Get two explosive guys to go with Bourne and Pop. Jettison Smith-Douchebag and maybe go get Austin Hooper at TE. Tee Higgins wouldn't be worth the draft capital.
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Sounds like JAX is playing games, that is, a waiting game. If they sign Ridley before 4 pm tmrw, they owe ATL a 2nd round pick. If they wait until after 4 tmrw, it's a 3rd round pick.

Have a feeling at 4:01 Wednesday Ridley remains a Jaguar.
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Right...no reason for Ridley or JAX to do anything until tomorrow.

If he stays, look at trades for Aiyuk or Keenan Allen. Teams with cap issues.
 
Bad_Mo2 said:
They should go after Aiyuk and Ridley. Get two explosive guys to go with Bourne and Pop. Jettison Smith-Douchebag and maybe go get Austin Hooper at TE. Tee Higgins wouldn't be worth the draft capital.
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They must have heard you:


#Raiders TE Austin Hooper is expected to sign with the #Patriots, per me and @TomPelissero. The veteran gets a 1-year deal worth up to $4.25M. He reunites with Patriots OC Alex Van Pelt who was with him in Cleveland.

The deal was done by @SteveCaric of @Wasserman Football.
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Solid move here...Jennings seemed to finally figure it out last year...doing a good job keeping their guy but still a long way to go...now let's add a quality Tackle (or two) and WR (or two):

www.nbcsports.com

Anfernee Jennings agrees to three-year deal with Patriots

The Patriots were 4-13 last season and they set a new course for the franchise by jettisoning Bill Belichick in January, but neither of those developments have stopped them from bringing back a number of players from their 2023 team.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com
 
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It really feels like Ridley will end up back in Jax after 4:00 today but I like the fact the Pats are making a run at him...I'm not a huge Ridley-fan but since it seems like they are targeting a rookie QB it's very important that they do everything possible to help develop him and that means surrounding him with actual NFL talent which Ridley surely is...with the amount of cap space they have for now and next year they can go after a player like Ridley and possibly pay more than they normally would...if they miss on him it seems like they may target a veteran WR via trade...do that and add another one (or two) in the draft to go with Pop and Bourne and they should at least be able to enter into the modern world of NFL offensive football.
 
Boston said:
In the hunt for Tee Higgins?

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I still don't think they'd want to give away a 2nd round pick for Higgins.

That said, is it possible they could afford T. Higgins AND C. Ridley?

Sure would make a rookie QB a bit more comfortable.

I can't imagine this. Sure wouldn't be my dad's New England Patriots.
 
I've got to say that I'm pleasantly surprised with what's taken place so far. One of my greatest fears was that not only would free agents not be interested in coming to NE, but also current core players would also bail for greener pastures. Nope on the latter.

Now let's see if we can get after OT, WR, and CB with whatever $'s we have left.
 
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Boston said:
In the hunt for Tee Higgins?

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I still don't think they'd want to give away a 2nd round pick for Higgins.

That said, is it possible they could afford T. Higgins AND C. Ridley?

Sure would make a rookie QB a bit more comfortable.

I can't imagine this. Sure wouldn't be my dad's New England Patriots.
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As long as it comes with a contract, I don't have an issue dealing the #2 for Higgins...would be a huge upgrade to that position...obviously it would be better if he were a FA like Ridley where there is no compensation, but you have to work within the landscape and right now outside of Ridley there really aren't any big time WRs on the FA market and they need to figure out a way to vastly improve this unit.
 
kyoun1e said:
I've got to say that I'm pleasantly surprised with what's taken place so far. One of my greatest fears was that not only would free agents not be interested in coming to NE, but also current core players would also bail for greener pastures. Nope on the latter.

Now let's see if we can get after OT, WR, and CB with whatever $'s we have left.
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Definitely getting the vibe that at least on the defensive-side of things that Mayo's presence is a positive to the players.
 
C. RIdley to TN. Surprise.

NE had a strong offer in play. Can't say they didn't try that's for sure.

For some reason I'm not that disappointed. I just don't see Ridley as a true #1.
 
NEP getting a taste of what it’s like to be a SF Giants fan.

You’re that guy she flirts with to make the guy she wants jealous.
 
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Disappointed but can’t be too mad. Not sure I would’ve wanted to see the Pats commit $50m guaranteed on a WR during a rebuild. But I have to say I’m getting a little tired of seeing the Titans outbid us for WR’s, lol.
 
kyoun1e said:
No J. Williams. Bummer.
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Was a guy that would have been a good fit...definitely would like to see them add one more quality Tackle and WR (at least one for both positions) in free agency or via trade...been a very interesting free agent period...on one-hand I like that they are re-signing a good amount of their own players in Henry, Mike O, Bourne, Jennings and Uche...I also think that Gibson, Hooper, Takitaki, Brisset and those O and D-lineman are solid signings that makes the depth of the roster stronger...that being said were are talking about a 4-13 team so there is still a very long way to go... with all their cap space I do hope that they can figure out a way to bring in a couple more legit players on offense so they have some draft flexibility as well as putting the soon-to-be young QB (I am still assuming they will go QB) in a better spot to develop correctly.
 
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I am not the only one that hasn't been all that impressed with how things have gone so far. The Pats have spent roughly half the cap space they had to sign the following. PFF scores listed for each player. Typically, a score of 100+ is good for a QB, 80-90 for other positions, 70's is usually a decent starter, and 60's or worse is usually a liability.

NEW FACES
Brissett - 84.6 in 23 passing attempts . . . in seasons with 300+ attempts: 82.6, 59.2, 62.4
Watts - 76.2 on 294 snaps . . . was 49.2 the season before on 548 snaps
Takitaki - 68.7
Gibson - 66.6
Leverett - 64.0 in 2022 (didn't play enough to get a score last season)
Okorafor - 60.4
Hooper - 58.2

RETURNING PLAYERS
Onwenu - 71.5
Henry 69.3
Bourne - 67.2
Jennings - 63.2
Austin - 62.0
Dugger - 61.7
Uche - 57.1
Reagor - 51.4
Elliss - 45.6
Wheatley - DNP
Rourke - DNP

I am not being negative just to be negative. But they mostly have spent money to keep the guys they had (a total of $135M in combined contract value). I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have opted to bring back the players they did. But IMO, they really haven't gotten any better. IMO, they brought in mostly JAGs, and they haven't really added any impact players (or even average starters). They've only spent roughly $35 million on new players . . . but by cutting players they accumulated $21.5 million in dead cap money.

Given what Brissett )or a rookie QB) has to work with as of now, I don't think the offense will be any better than last year. They have roughly $55M in cap room left . . . and who else is out there for them to sign that's noteworthy? IMO, they will be lucky to get two legit starters in the draft and maybe two other contributors. If they start trading picks, then the likelihood of them hitting on their draft picks would drop. Obviously, we have to see what the roster looks like when the season starts, but IMO, they don't look any better at this point.
 
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I am not the only one that hasn't been all that impressed with how things have gone so far. The Pats have spent roughly half the cap space they had to sign the following. PFF scores listed for each player. Typically, a score of 100+ is good for a QB, 80-90 for other positions, 70's is usually a decent starter, and 60's or worse is usually a liability.

NEW FACES
Brissett - 84.6 in 23 passing attempts . . . in seasons with 300+ attempts: 82.6, 59.2, 62.4
Watts - 76.2 on 294 snaps . . . was 49.2 the season before on 548 snaps
Takitaki - 68.7
Gibson - 66.6
Leverett - 64.0 in 2022 (didn't play enough to get a score last season)
Okorafor - 60.4
Hooper - 58.2

RETURNING PLAYERS
Onwenu - 71.5
Henry 69.3
Bourne - 67.2
Jennings - 63.2
Austin - 62.0
Dugger - 61.7
Uche - 57.1
Reagor - 51.4
Elliss - 45.6
Wheatley - DNP
Rourke - DNP

I am not being negative just to be negative. But they mostly have spent money to keep the guys they had (a total of $135M in combined contract value). I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have opted to bring back the players they did. But IMO, they really haven't gotten any better. IMO, they brought in mostly JAGs, and they haven't really added any impact players (or even average starters). They've only spent roughly $35 million on new players . . . but by cutting players they accumulated $21.5 million in dead cap money.

Given what Brissett )or a rookie QB) has to work with as of now, I don't think the offense will be any better than last year. They have roughly $55M in cap room left . . . and who else is out there for them to sign that's noteworthy? IMO, they will be lucky to get two legit starters in the draft and maybe two other contributors. If they start trading picks, then the likelihood of them hitting on their draft picks would drop. Obviously, we have to see what the roster looks like when the season starts, but IMO, they don't look any better at this point.
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Yeah, last night the usual suspects Curren/Perry/others/A. Hart all were pretty much singing from the same song book. We've brought back a bunch of players, but remember we were terrible last year. So that can't be such a wonderful thing.

The draft can't plug all the holes. They have to get some above average talent at the WR and OT positions. I'm not sure there's a great fit out there at WR. Maybe M. Williams if they can get him cheap coming off an ACL, but now they'd have two WRs coming off ACLs. Not great. Don't want to give up a 2nd round pick for T. Higgens either. T. Boyd? Not exciting. M. Brown? Nah. And at OT, T. Smith is still out there, but that guy can't stay healthy.

Crossing fingers this regime gets creative at this point. My expectations aren't high, but I'm hoping there's promise that a) a rookie QB drafted will not get wasted due to a hot mess of a team, and b) We're in a position to win 6-7 games vs. getting worse than last year.
 
No LT and #1 WR yet. Maybe WR at 3 and Penix? Did the former Ariz LT sign yet? False starts are better than broken rookie QB
 
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