Anarchy99
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Google is wrong. The most sacks allowed in a season is 104 by the Eagles in 1986.
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nittanylion
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I must have missed something, what's this news that hit the blogger this AM about the Pats C going on IR, having had surgery and being seen on crutches in the locker room?
Both Centers on the Roster have the same last name - Jake and David Andrews. Jake is the one in the news.
I didn't see Jake on the gameday inactives, and I was looking back through the news, and didn't see anything recent, but I'm rushing with other things right now with kickoff approaching.
Anything to see here?
Both Centers on the Roster have the same last name - Jake and David Andrews. Jake is the one in the news.
I didn't see Jake on the gameday inactives, and I was looking back through the news, and didn't see anything recent, but I'm rushing with other things right now with kickoff approaching.
Anything to see here?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He was injured in the off-season and put on IR almost a month ago.
Bossman
Footballguy
It was hard to tell on my crappy camp TV but it did look like NE went to 6 linemen at times. I did hear the ref announce that "number so and so has reported as eligible ". So it sounded like 6 o-linemen. Maybe there were 2 and 3 TE's at times but definitely had 6 players with a hand on the ground on several snaps. I like it. I don't remember seeing that once all of last season.
I wasn't wrong when I said the Pats would need to hold them to less than 17.... The CIN turnovers helped make that happen. Unfortunately the defense can't be expected to do that every game.
The offense will need to step it up going forward.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE got a surprising win, and like many games, the outcome hinged on a handful of key plays: Tanner Hudson's fumble at the goal line (saved 7 points), the CIN fumble on a punt return (gained 3 points), and Hunter Henry breaking up what should have been an interception in the end zone (saved 3 points). If those plays went the other way (which they easily could have), the Pats could have found themselves behind 17-10 instead of winning 16-10. Those were the types of outcomes in those situations that didn't happen last year. The other thing that was different than both training camp and last season was NE didn't turn the ball over, commit dumb penalties, or make other big mental errors. It was a nice win, and hopefully they can keep that up (or at least build on a solid outing).
I took a quick look at how things were perceived this morning on various shows, clips, and articles. National outlets essentially described the game as the Bengals looking terrible and losing the game. Burrow looked rusty, uncomfortable, and never got it together. Local media mostly looked at it as the Pats playing old school NE football, which should be repeatable and sustainable. I don't know about that. Stevenson had multiple plays where he should have been tackled for a loss or at the LOS, but poor tackling led to him getting some big chunks of yardage. I'm not sure they will be able to 170 yards most weeks and win with only 120 passing yards very often.
The NE OL probably wasn't as good as the outcome reflects, but they were good enough. We'll have to see how many games they will have with no turnovers and only one sack allowed. I think the Pats were fortunate to catch the Bengals in Week 1 . . . I think the game would have been a lot different if it had been played in mid-season. If NE has an advantage right now, it's that there wasn't anything on tape for teams to prepare for. The element of surprise will likely fall by the wayside in a few weeks.
I took a quick look at how things were perceived this morning on various shows, clips, and articles. National outlets essentially described the game as the Bengals looking terrible and losing the game. Burrow looked rusty, uncomfortable, and never got it together. Local media mostly looked at it as the Pats playing old school NE football, which should be repeatable and sustainable. I don't know about that. Stevenson had multiple plays where he should have been tackled for a loss or at the LOS, but poor tackling led to him getting some big chunks of yardage. I'm not sure they will be able to 170 yards most weeks and win with only 120 passing yards very often.
The NE OL probably wasn't as good as the outcome reflects, but they were good enough. We'll have to see how many games they will have with no turnovers and only one sack allowed. I think the Pats were fortunate to catch the Bengals in Week 1 . . . I think the game would have been a lot different if it had been played in mid-season. If NE has an advantage right now, it's that there wasn't anything on tape for teams to prepare for. The element of surprise will likely fall by the wayside in a few weeks.
Boston
Footballguy
Regardless of what happened on the Cincy-side of things the Pats were well-prepared and disciplined enough to take advantage of it…going into this game I don’t think many expected they would play fundamentally-sound football because they haven’t in a few years and with Mayo onboard and BB gone there were/are legit fears it could get worse…well, for at least one week it was a lot better which is very encouraging and keeps the media vultures at bay for a week…they are still going to lose a good amount more than they will win but hopefully yesterday was the start of heading in the right direction…gonna be real interesting hosting Seattle this Sunday.
I mean...NOBODY...saw this coming.
I see this as a combination of the Bengals coming out flat, probably thinking if they just show up they'll win, their D just looking absolutely terrible against the run (which local cinci reporters acknowledged was a known big issue, but also NE really playing much more competently than anyone thought they would.
I don't expect this to continue, but honestly, they have more than a shot to beat SEA at home next week. That run D was terrible last year (and Denver with Nix wasn't a true test).
I think this also gives Brissett a longer leash too.
Boston
Footballguy
It keeps the calls for Maye to play quiet for a while which is probably a good thing in the big picture.
Kraft...
Footballguy
This is why you don't draft a guard in round one. Robinson looked great, especially in the run game
What are the odds he makes Bedard's 3 up today?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I rewatched a lot of the game highlights and came away less impressed than I initially thought. The line did good enough, but they were far from great. Stevenson was hit in the backfield and at the LOS on many of his carries. He just managed to sneak by some really poor tackling by CIN. Even though NE didn't pass the ball a ton, Brissett was pressured and hit a lot.This is why you don't draft a guard in round one. Robinson looked great, especially in the run game
What are the odds he makes Bedard's 3 up today?
PFF saw the same things as I did, as no one on the OL got good marks or game scores. Wallace 64.2, Onwenu 63.7, Andrews 62, Robinson 55.8, Lowe 52.4, Jordan 48.9, and Okorafor 44.4. PFF had only two players on offense with better than average scores for Week 1: Stevenson at 75.4 and Hooper at 70.9. The defense fared better: White 90.3, Jonathan Jones 86.1, Marcus Jones 80.2, Tavai 78.7, and Ekuale 70.2.
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Bossman
Footballguy
Yes, the ineptness of CIN did make NE look like a better team than they actually were / are.I rewatched a lot of the game highlights and came away less impressed than I initially thought. The line did good enough, but they were far from great. Stevenson was hit in the backfield and at the LOS on many of his carries. He just managed to sneak by some rally poor tackling by CIN. Even though NE didn't pass the ball a ton, Brissett was pressured and hit a lot.This is why you don't draft a guard in round one. Robinson looked great, especially in the run game
What are the odds he makes Bedard's 3 up today?
PFF saw the same things as I did, as no one on the OL got good marks or game scores. Wallace 64.2, Onwenu 63.7, Andrews 62, Robinson 55.8, Lowe 52.4, Jordan 48.9, and Okorafor 44.4. PFF had only two players on offense with better than average scores for Week 1: Stevenson at 75.4 and Hooper at 70.9. The defense fared better: White 90.3, Jonathan Jones 86.1, Marcus Jones 80.2, Tavai 78.7, and Ekuale 70.2.
If CIN doesn't fumble at the goal line, (what was that guy doing holding the ball out like that anyway?) we're looking at a 17 - 16 loss and we'd all be talking about how terrible this offense and passing game is instead of how good the running game is.
After one game, it really is almost the same team as last year ... Great defense and an offense that can't provide 21 points.
One difference that I noticed vs CIN is they were able to get first downs, win time of possession, and keep their defense off the field for a healthy bit.
Last year it felt like it was mostly 3 downs and punt and the defense was gassed by the end of the 3rd qtr. CIN defense looked gassed at the end of this one.
Let's see how many more times they can hold a team to under 17 points tho.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I'm surprised by the shock over the NE Win. Cinci has a well-established trend of starting slow each season. That combined with no Higgins and limited Chase versus a "game manager" approach to the game led to a not surprising result 16-10....which is not that far away from 3-0.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Seahags favored by 3.5 @NE. I think the Cincy win was a false positive and predict 24-13 Seattle. Hopefully I'm wrong.
SEA just wasn't too impressive, at home, against a Bo Nix led Denver team that likes to throw it sideways vs. down the field. They may be less of a threat offensively than NE.
SEA rush D was terrible last year so maybe that can be exploited once again in week 2.
I think at home, they have a decent shot at another win.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't think it has much to do with Cincy and their history...the surprise was all about the Pats...with how their O-line looked in pre-season and a constant media drumbeat of negativity about the coaching (especially Mayo and AVP) and roster I think most Patriot fans went into this game hoping it would not be a debacle...when they were offsides on the opening kickoff I think many fans were like "here we go"...the surprise is not the approach because it was pretty obvious that is how they would play but how well-prepared they were and how they were able to execute the gameplan...I don't think many thought they had the ability to accomplish it which is why they were the biggest underdog of the week...I heard a few comments on the radio (which I agree with) that this is how BB wanted to play the last few years but couldn't get the players to really do it...it is only one week and I still believe if they can get to 6 wins it will be exceeding expectations but at least for one week it appears Mayo is in-command of this team...hopefully week 1 wasn't a mirage and they play hard and smart for him all year.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Post Game 1 tidbits.
Brissett was pressured on half of his drop backs.
Brissett was hit on 25% of his passing attempts.
Stevenson averaged 5 yards gained after contact. He averaged 4.8 ypc . . . meaning he was hit behind the LOS more plays than not.
Those that rewatched the game film commented that the receivers struggled to get open the entire game. Brissett didn’t miss guys that were open.
Maye said to be getting 30% of reps with first team offense in practice.
Brissett was pressured on half of his drop backs.
Brissett was hit on 25% of his passing attempts.
Stevenson averaged 5 yards gained after contact. He averaged 4.8 ypc . . . meaning he was hit behind the LOS more plays than not.
Those that rewatched the game film commented that the receivers struggled to get open the entire game. Brissett didn’t miss guys that were open.
Maye said to be getting 30% of reps with first team offense in practice.
Is Demario still on the radar for being fantasy relevant later in the year?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure what the baseline is for "being fantasy relevant." But NE will usually have a lot more than 24 passing attempts. Douglas only saw 3 targets this week. He averaged around 7 the second half of last season. From Week 7 on last year, he was fantasy WR51. Is that relevant? He might do a little better than that . . . maybe WR40 +/- a few spots. Would that be relevant. Media types are suggesting he could be in the 100-1100-6 range (which is crazy talk as far as I am concerned).
How the WRs shake out is still a big unknown. I don't dislike Douglas, but some folks have him pegged to be the next Jaylen Waddle or Devonta Smith as early as this year. That's a bit too aggressive for me. I think his numbers are similar to Josh Downs for now.
Bossman
Footballguy
I think we will find out as soon as an opposing team decides to sell out to stop the run.
Maybe as soon as this week.
Seems like any opposing defensive coordinator would want to force NE to pass the ball ... since they haven't been able to do that for a couple of seasons.
Bottom line ... don't drop Douglass just yet. I think his time may be coming soon.
Boston
Footballguy
Not even the biggest Pats homer thinks that highly of him...he is not even close to that ballpark...he looks like he can be a quality NFL WR capable of making big plays...I have actually cooled a decent amount on him of late because he just looks so small out there and I don't think he is built to take a lot of punishment (especially from the slot like we saw with Welker and Edelman)...also, I just don't think there is much fantasy upside to the Pats passing game in 2024 with Brissett at QB and while I really like what I see in Maye I don't think it changes too much this year once he takes over ...Douglas can still be a solid weapon (and worthy of a fantasy roster spot for now), but I don't think he will be able to handle the volume physically to be a legit fantasy asset and long-term I expect the Pats to bring in at least 1 very good and maybe 2 WRs better than him this offseason (as well as Polk developing) so that limits his upside on the Dynasty-side of things in a big way.
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There should be a market for him as a decent backup LT. Maybe a conditional late round pick?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would tend to doubt it. His play really tailed off with the Steelers, who I am sure would have traded him before the deadline for anything (to avoid wasting a roster spot and having to pay him $10 million). He played a total of 11 snaps for PIT over their final 11 games. Someone from the Pats was quoted as saying he was checked out mentally, It sounds like he just isn't into playing anymore after being benched in PIT and getting pulled early in NE.
Boston
Footballguy
There definitely seemed to be something off with him, especially lately...big whiff by Wolf on this one.
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This was a big wiff by Wolf. Ugh.
Boston
Footballguy
Bentley has a torn pec and is done for the year...tough loss...he has turned into both a quality player and a leader:
www.nbcsports.com
Patriots lose Ja'Whaun Bentley for season with torn pectoral
The Patriots have lost one of their best players for the season.
www.nbcsports.com
Bossman
Footballguy
"They are who we thought they were... and we let 'em off the hook"
Brissett absolutely refuses to throw to a WR.
Mind boggling in today's NFL.
Let us hope that every game goes like the SEA game ... be competitive and lose by 3...
All the way to a top 5 draft pick.
Embrace The Suck.
Brissett absolutely refuses to throw to a WR.
Mind boggling in today's NFL.
Let us hope that every game goes like the SEA game ... be competitive and lose by 3...
All the way to a top 5 draft pick.
Embrace The Suck.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Anyone have any thoughts on Ja'Lynn Polk? Or is everyone holding off on assessing until they see him play with Maye?
Bossman
Footballguy
My take on Polk is that he must be the only WR on this team that can get open ... to the tune of about 2 or 3 catches a game.
No other WR is worthy of a target in Jacoby Brissetts opinion.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
WR Targets Through Week 2:
Cooper Kupp 27
Amon-Ra St. Brown, Malik Nabers 25
Zay Flowers 21
Jameson Williams 20
Deebo Samuel 19
Tyreek Hill, Nico Collins, Davante Adams, DeVonta Smith, D.J. Moore, Jaxon Smith-Njigba , D.K. Metcalf 18
The entire NE wide receiver group has 18 targets. They have combined for 11 catches, 85 yards, and a TD. 15 players in the league have more receptions, 57 players have more receiving yards, and 11 players have more receiving TD. All NE WR combined have scored 25.5 fantasy points in PPR scoring. 26 WR in the league have outscored them. On the strength of catching a TD, Polk is the highest-ranking NE fantasy WR at WR69 (to go with his 3 receptions for 18 yards).
I suppose that would improve with Maye eventually, but the line hasn't been great in pass protection, and Van Pelt seems scared to throw the ball to a WR. Total WR targets so far: Osborn 8, Polk 4, Douglas 3, Thornton 3.
Cooper Kupp 27
Amon-Ra St. Brown, Malik Nabers 25
Zay Flowers 21
Jameson Williams 20
Deebo Samuel 19
Tyreek Hill, Nico Collins, Davante Adams, DeVonta Smith, D.J. Moore, Jaxon Smith-Njigba , D.K. Metcalf 18
The entire NE wide receiver group has 18 targets. They have combined for 11 catches, 85 yards, and a TD. 15 players in the league have more receptions, 57 players have more receiving yards, and 11 players have more receiving TD. All NE WR combined have scored 25.5 fantasy points in PPR scoring. 26 WR in the league have outscored them. On the strength of catching a TD, Polk is the highest-ranking NE fantasy WR at WR69 (to go with his 3 receptions for 18 yards).
I suppose that would improve with Maye eventually, but the line hasn't been great in pass protection, and Van Pelt seems scared to throw the ball to a WR. Total WR targets so far: Osborn 8, Polk 4, Douglas 3, Thornton 3.
Bossman
Footballguy
Jalen Reagor released. Some are speculating because of this post he made...
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
As mentioned in the Rhamondre thread, Stevenson has been hit behind the LOS on 61% of his carries. IMO, it's only a matter of time until defenses adjust their positioning, containment strategy, and angle of attack . . . and a lot of those runs that should have been 2-yard losses that turned into 8-yard gains will start becoming losses. Those 2nd and 2 situations will start to become 2nd and 12, and teams will start daring NE to throw the ball.
Brissett has done a good job understanding where pressure has been coming from and side stepping it to get the ball out. He's only been effective passing the ball on 2nd down (102.3 passer rating) and not great on 1st or 3rd down (67.6 and 67.1). All 4 of his sacks have come on third down. Brissett hasn't fared well when the Pats are losing (49.2 passer rating).
At some point, the training wheels will have to come off, and they will have to start passing more. It's clear that opponents will have a big advantage in the passing game, and I'm not sure the Pats can stay competitive if they continue to give up a net -200 yards passing.
Jets are banged up on the interior so I wonder if they'll be able to keep pounding Rhamondre. I'm continually shocked that he's finding so much room, but like you say, I wonder if that suddenly changes.
And if I'm an opposing D, I make sure I'm doubling H. Henry because...who the hell else are you afraid of?
Boston
Footballguy
Curious to see what AVP does tonight…I like how they have been playing but there is now 2 weeks of film on the Pats and while they want to play a certain way they are just not talented enough to simply show-up, announce how they want to play and beat a team because they are better than them…they are going to have to do some different stuff tonight and the question is are they (both players and coaches) good enough to be able to execute what AVP comes up with…with the state of their o-line I have my doubts that they can diversify much but I do hope as we watch the game we can at least say I get what they are trying to do.
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Bossman
Footballguy
Jets seemed to send and extra rusher on almost every play which Both stopped the run and pressured the QB. Pat's coaching failed to adjust or because of lack of talent, we're unable to adjust.
It looked a lot like when Mac Jones was QB.
I think the blueprint for stopping the NE offense has been shown and this is what we'll see for the rest of the season. Absolutely no fear of NE throwing deep.
I am disappointed with the defense last night. Poor tackling and they played too soft in the passing game.
Oh well, embrace the suck.
It looked a lot like when Mac Jones was QB.
I think the blueprint for stopping the NE offense has been shown and this is what we'll see for the rest of the season. Absolutely no fear of NE throwing deep.
I am disappointed with the defense last night. Poor tackling and they played too soft in the passing game.
Oh well, embrace the suck.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
PFF grades for the OL through 3 games: ZThomas 69.9, Onwenu 62,1, Andrews 58.5. DJacobs 57.2, Jordan 56.7, Wallace 54.6. Lowe 53.5, and Robinson 51.6. And for all the flowers and accolades Christian Gonzalez has gotten as a stud and potential lock down corner, he's at 53.9 for the season so far.
It's so bad he'll get killed.
Just let Brissett take a beating. Keep bringing him in when it's garbage time and maybe the opposition has their 3rd string in.
It boggles my mind. They had tons of $. I know the O line options out there in FA weren't perfect, but they need at minimum average bodies on the line. It's not even that.
Boston
Footballguy
1,000,000%...BB drove this roster into a ditch and it was not going to be rebuilt in one offseason but by not upgrading the O line to at least average or close to average Wolf has put the team in a position where they almost can't play offense and you can't properly develop some of your youngsters...as for Maye I think it would be irresponsible to play him right now...why put him in the same spot David Carr was in? If the O line was functional, I would have zero issues playing him right now but that isn't the case...why put him on the field to get the snot kicked out of him and get bad habits because that is all that will happen...he can not develop in this situation...or worse, he gets injured and now he can't even practice for a good part of the year...that would be absolutely devastating to the franchise...let Jacoby get beat up until about week 10 or 11 (or even later) than play Maye and hope he survives and gets enough experience to benefit him next year...and this offseason they can rebuild this putrid line and add another legit WR or two (and it should not be difficult with all their cap space and a very high pick in in the 1st, the 2nd and two #3's) and we can start the Drake Maye era week 1 next year...the kid is only 21 and the team sucks...there is no rush.